Alright I am back in the saddle. If you have to go to the bathroom, do it now because this post be long and quotes alot of people.
Ok then 2 options with Ironman's skill not working. 1 he was roleblocked by scum or 2...
shaft.ed wrote:the colonel wrote:Now, I'm awake but it seems a few of you are still sawing it off. Now, I'll give you slackers 24 hours to have completed your night actions before I wake everyone up. Get along then, ten nine, eight and all that.
Someone who lurks like ironman i can see getting a skill in too late and the colonel/shaft.ed not counting it. This same warning was not post during night 2 when ironman was dead and thus not possibly late on a second action. Either way I know ironman's skill did not take effect. K7 said this...
killa seven wrote:Poker what action did strappaddo do last night?
early into day2 before ironman said what his skill even was and who ironman targeted. If ironman used his skill I doubt K7 would know who the targets were changed to and I doubt it would be me to strappado. I suspected strappado at the end of day 1. So this logic from #985 is relevant on why I don't suspect K7. I have judged him as inocent based on how i see him using his skill.
PokerFace wrote:I lean towards thinking K7 is town for the following reasons:
1) Everything happens for a reason. If K7 is town, then he wanted me to track strappado. He sent me to check Strappado who I suspected near the end of day 1. This would make logical sence.
2) Everything happens for a reason. If K7 is scum, then he STILL wanted me to track strappado.
If Strappado is town,
then a scum K7 wanted me to track strappado so that I would either say her actions out loud or have cause to mislynch her. If anything I definatly don't have cause to lynch her. As far as me saying it out loud I only did it cause I thought I had something. I guess the real question here would be did scum have reason to fear a town strappado and any skill she had and there for want me to say her skill out loud? And if so why would they want me to do it? Wouldn't it be better for K7 to have one of his scum buddies track a town Strappado? And also without me knowing her skill I still may have had reason to lynch he without seeing her action so there would not be great need to tell me it since it would indeed more likly deter my suspicions than increase them.
If Strappado is scum,
then the purpose of sendiong me after her was to fool me and to get me to loose the suspicions I had of her. This would mean scum saw me as a threat. I don't think I am that great of threat, I'll leave that up to you guys, but this plan just seems a little too elaborate to use on me when they could have done something simplier. Also lets say Scum planned for K7 and Strappado to dupe me by having Strappado target SpyreX. Had a vig or some other variable hit SpyreX, that would fuck them and make me lynch them unless SpyreX came up dead scum. And if SpyreX came up dead scum then he would be scum too and things would just get more elaborate and out there from here.
So in general I lean towards K7 being town.
His lurking is a null tell since he does it always.
@Killa seven,
is english your primary language? I can see someone who secondary or third language being english having a lurker playstyle if he doesn't know english as his best language. That or its possible he is just in a bunch of games and thus is not able to focus himself in just one. Also K7 why send Mirth after Lord Gurgi, any reason for using your skill like that?
Also I will clarify something so no one goes too far in their thoughts.
K7 can be scum without me being scum.
I believe his night action to be exactly what he says it is. I have proof of that, but I don't have proof of his alignment. I believe him to still be town at this time because of my previous logic though. I will see him as town until either his answers to my new questions bring conflict or something else turns up proving him scum. Until something like that happens I wholly believe him to be town.
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@Azimuth,
you said these earlier
Azimuth wrote:I can't help but think that people who reveal their roles too eagerly should be attacked, first with bombs and rockets to destroy their homes, and then when they run helpless into the street, mow them down with machine guns. And then, of course, release the vultures.
I know these views aren't popular, but I have never thought of popularity.
Azimuth wrote:I have to believe that at least some of those who have revealed themselves did so because they thought they would be able to catch mafia, and maybe some of them think they have done so, but I don't quite see it for now -- possibly because I still don't have all the information that they do. I don't want to fish for more information, though; at least a few folks around here should keep their ways mysterious.
Why the change in heart on those with restrictions? I got no problem with anything else from you I'm just wondering what particular game elements led to a change in yelling at those who wanted to say things too accepting it.
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@LordGurgi,
1) How many penalties have you gotten in this game so far?
2) Albatross! ten words albatross! Albatross is part of the restriction, yes?
3) Did you not say albatross some in "You are what you eat?"
4) Your #29 post establishes that your #12 post is incorrect of it being on the 13th which would make sence with your episode. Correct?
Use simular format from before to answer me please.
#0-12, #13-25, #26-38, #39-51, #52-64, #65-77, #78-90
#12, #14 with fail?, #26... hmm... did you really get a penalty or did that not happen according to my 4th point?
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@Strappado,
strappado wrote:Yeah, it's gotten awfully quiet. I'm waiting for some more excitement. Maybe someone should attack me, that might move things along, I love a good quarrel.
I miss Mirth
Didn't you call Chenshi out for being sad about night kill. Hypocracy! Do you think that and his play here make him scum or a newb? Which is it?
strappado wrote:FoS TSPN
for spreading false and slandering lies. I have
had fun eating a baby
So you do eat babies but don't have fun?
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imaginality wrote:chenhsi: "You guys pick on me when I don't say anything, now you pick on me when I do say something, what do you want from me??!?!!!"
I make alot of these smilies and use them in mafia discussion alot.
http://www.smiliegenerator.com/smiliegenerator_eng.html
I post the shaft.ed wins smilie throughout MD. I'm not sucking up I swear.
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The Internet wrote:I do maintain that randomizing a target will probably hurt the town, as it could lead to wrong info for information roles, wrong killing for vigs, screwing up a carefully planned doc protection of probable town power role, and in the event of a randomized scum kill most likely leading to a loss of a town member, which would hurt us even more so since this game appears vanillaless, and it is comparitively unlikely that a good result could come. Overall, if town power roles wanted random targets, they'd pick then themsleves, and odds are it will do harm instead of good if it hits scum. And you must remember that IM completely failed to adress this point in his defence, leading me to believe he had falseclaimed as scum.
PokerFace wrote:@Ironman,
why did you choose to target K7? Do you always have to use your action or can you choose to target no one if you wanted to? answer K7's question in post #861
I asked this to test ironman because the most pro-town thing to do with a randomize action skill (Assuming they don't have to always use it) is to not use it until player number reduces to a situation like this:
3 or other low odd number of players going into night. Lylo likly 1 is scum and the guy that just hamered scumily calling for his side to win during the night. Should he get a kill, him and rest of scum win game. Randomize him and hope he kills himself or a scumbuddy. And if kill randomly hits town the game is over anyway so its a nothing to loose situation that would call for use of his skill.
A scum with randomizing a protown skill could send a cop at his scum buddy. So the skill is not natuarally scum or town. How one uses a skill should always be judged in determining their alignment. I have judged K7 as town for now based on the use of his skill, send me after someone I suspected. I didn't get a chance to judge ironman based on his role use and that is why I held off on voting ironman. I wanted the answer to my questions because the answer could lead me to think ironman was scum based on how the skill's use would apply to what internet has said throwing investigaters off.
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@farside,
farside22 wrote:I will say the only thing I think that will help some people (maybe) understand what I will be doing.
What ever doesn't kill me makes me stronger.
With that said I am going to look at each person I named and go through why and what I found as scummy.
Any chance you are looking for me, or i'm looking for you? Cigarettes don't kill me, but they do make me stronger. Now I don't turn into an SK, I am 100% certain I don't do that. In fact if my new theory (thx Elvis & Internet) is correct, giving cigarettes to me 'can' actually help the town, the scum, the cult, everybody 'can' be helped if my theory is correct. But since I believe I can choose who would recieve the benefit from my skill, the town will recieve the benefit. They all 'can' benefit, BUT since I am the one using the skill, only those I choose to benefit, will. At least this is what I think for now. I'll explain once I test my skill one more time. I could be off big time and i could be right on the money. Shaft.ed had fun with my role and if I'm right this game just got sillyer. !My Brain hurts too!
Also I am uncertain on Azimuth and I disagree with Farside's read of muerto.
Muerrto wrote: farside22 wrote:My read on Muerrto:
Muerrto - No post by Borge. Does a read through believes Sprye comments on hilarity. Prodded after 3 days has no opinion. Post 5 saying since DBE came up as taunter seems that Spyrex suspicious. (I can understand this) Post 6 Again i agree about the PR outing themselves with all this talk. By post 8 I'm curious why he keeps getting upset with all the soft claims (yes I know it stupid to soft claim or claim unless necessary, but some claims have some what helped me in narrowing down certain leads). By post 12 it is clear to me that Muerrto doesn't seem to vote alot. He also seems focused on those not posting more then those that seem scummy. Post 14 Thinks the BK (bridge keeper) as too powerful of a role question is if the BK is town isn't that a good thing then? Last post I just curious who you think is scum at this point and why if you agree with me and my post.
My read on Muerrto is inconclusive. It like he hasn't said enough to really get a read on and what he has said has been good (in the beginning) to nothing at all. I think the talk of lurkers is a bit hypocritical coming from him.
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As for not voting alot though, I voted for both DBE and Iron Man. How many other lynches have there been?
And soft claims ARE stupid which is why I haven't made one and I was sorry indeed to see you join the ranks of those that had.
Shrug I'll try and do a re-read and post something substantial later.
As for the BK, he does sound extrmely over-powered, town or scum. And no, that's not good for the town. This is a game and as such should be balanced. If you just wanted your side to win you could have a game of 4 cops, 4 docs, 4 vigs, and 1 scum =p
Good read on me though except the lurking/not voting part. I'm usually more agressive as well but since this is a silly type game I toned it down.
Still don't like Spyrex or K7(due to DBE and IM, respectively) and still wondering who the cult is since we're at day 3 and they could technically have 3 members by now. Does that not scare anyone else?
I don't think he has done anything to ping my radar yet. Finding the cult would be useful especially early into a game. Anyone on ways to out the cult earlier would be wise to give ideas. I'm waiting for someone to make a dramatic flipflop on something since cult would mean an alignment change.
People I suspect:
A. Gurgi
- Something looks fishy restrictionwise
B. SpyreX
- 2 taunters what?
Anyone got any idea as to why shaft.ed would do that or why anymod would?
I wonder if you aren't a taunter but a scum that counterclaimed Darla for safety.
@SpyreX,
The night kill flavor suggest the Spainish inquisition took out Bruce and Mirth. Do you believe the Spainish Inquisition would be part of the "Egoscentrical Character group", or do you think they are part of a different scum group (Cult, SK, whatever)?
C. Chenshi
- Why? We all know why. I want him to claim before he is lynched. He is either stupid SK or total newb. If he was mafia or cult, I think his scum buddies would be coaching him to do better at night. Darla went with the flow of everybody else towards chenshi. Her statement here:
DarlaBlueEyes wrote:SpyreX wrote:Chenshi,
You've really got to post some content. I'm glad you're posting, but you're still just acting like "I'm confused" and not really doing much. It's why I've got my vote on you and its why its staying there for now.
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is what first got me on her. I am leaning away from chenshi being with Darla.
D. Sweatpants ninja
- Why?
TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Unvote, vote DBE.
Would still like to pursue LG tomorrow. . . but yeah. That's pretty good.
TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:muerrto wrote: Iron, Jordan, Killa, TSN, Az, LG, Internet, christ how many lurkers do we have in this game?!
What? I posted
today.
Luigi Gangsta, if you were just having fun (being silly, if you will), then I'll accept that.
Anyway, I suppose its
feasible
that there are two Taunters, or feasible that both spyrex and darla are scum, but I think occam's razor suggests that DBE just got caught lying.
Explain why you went back and forth on Luigi and the two taunter principle? Those are your #7 and #8 posts so your change of heart looks like an effort to go with the rest of the flow considering what everybody had been saying since there was no definite proof luigi was faking. Only a possibility. If you are going with the flow and not giving your own opinions then you are scum. Also I know your vote didn't count here because you forgot to unvote, but this still lookslike a big flipflop. I could see you as scum with darla. while I could only see chenshi as an SK for now.
I didn't see ironman with Darla for simular reasons I don't see chenshi with darla. Darla voted ironman and that could be strong distancing but still looks off to me. Since it has looked like multiple scum groups for awhile now I was willing to ask ironman's those question to determine if he should be lynched for being scum in probably a different group.
I will hold off on voting one of those 4 to see who gives me worst answers to given questions. And cause I want to see if chenshi is ever going to try to defend his lurking playstyle.
Scumiest order:
1) chenshi & Ninja
*Huge Gap*
2) Lord Gurgi & SpyreX
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