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@Mods: About the 200-word limit: Do mods questions count towards the 200-word limit? How are numbers/dates/times handled?(i.e. can someone trick-vote by having their "Move: Target" vote being the 201 & 202 words in a post?)
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I think there's 3 main schools of strategy for this opening round.
Popularity -> what we're currently doing
Random -> choose some random method
Optimize -> Essentially out a verifiable PR and verify them.
I like the third option and I think we should make a vig unnightkillable and direct them as a second lynch mechanic.
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Okay.. So apparently we're collectively saying "screw good strategy, we're going to get our meta-fighting out of the way on this one".
I'm not feeling an overwhelming sense of happiness about this game. You guys realize it's pointless to revisit this issue after half the game has been thrown out, right?
And, Vezokpiraka is gone, so my plan is useless.
Also, Thor665 is scummiest in the game so far and since we apparently are going with VP's "plan", then Nero Cain needs to go before chesskid3.
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@VP - The idea was that I didn't want to early out power roles. Scum can fakeclaim or counter-claim cop to keep UNK away from town (and out cops). But no scum would fakeclaim vig and be force-directed by town.
If you don't decide to enhance the vig today with all players potential champions, then we don't bother at all.
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It's not a perfect plan, but it was better than either a true random pick (based on something like the stock market), or letting an uninformed majority/informed minority pick.
Having a BP Vig would give us a powerful confirmed townie. A Mason would be a good second choice. (Again, confirmability)
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Hell yeah, I'm patenting my own finishing moves now.
Catching up:
AurorusVox seems to be suffering from a pretty strong case of confirmation bias against VP. However, VP's #155 does read as scummy. Overall I don't think the rest of his play has been that bad.
Internet Stranger does have a point in that the Bulletproof prize isn't a fantastic boon for a townie. It's a better boon for someone with a useful power role. So that's the dilemma. Either town PR-hunts and hurts themselves in the long run for a narrow gain, or we treat this as a meta RVS and not really worry about it because we can always re-vote the champion later on.
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@Hoppster: Why do you say you have no comment on "The List", when really you've just been systematically go long and eliminating people on the list until you were called out. That's a definite speech/action conflict.
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@Hoppster: Coincidence? Seriously? Your argument is that you coincidentally happen to have been systematically attacking people in the order they appeared on VP Balter's list?
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Could the people still performing wrestling moves please say if they agree with #334 or not?
For the record, I'm good with the new revised plan. Anyone who performs a move without stating a opinion on it should be considered an immediate target.
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@the people saying no information can be learned in the RR: Are you serious? There's stuff to be learned here. I'd be surprised if the mods wasted this unique segment by having it have zero consequence on the rest of the game. I'll be analyzing it afterwards.
@Hoppster: E-1 are perfectly capable of speaking their opinion/preference/arguments without impulsively acting according to their own whims. In fact, putting them at E-1 encourages this behavior.
@everyone: That said, the new plan isn't terribly important. Being eliminated from the Rumble isn't the same as being killed. It's inconvenient and boring for a bit, but it's not really a severe punishment. Once we're down to the final five or four (four is traditional, I guess), then we'll have a period of voting (36 hours or so) for everyone to choose who should win. If people don't post their opinion during that period then their opinion doesn't matter. Once the winner is decided, we eliminate based on that then proceed to the game.Occasionally intellectually honest
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It looks like I have 6 moves, so I'm going to go with my reads and remove Hoppster from the match.
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dropkicks: Hoppster
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I thought about going back and re-reading through everyone's preferrences, but I suppose it's quicker to just use the support mechanic as a basis of who thinks who should get the belt (and therefore UNK).
Since Gman has no support from the peanut gallery, I'll eliminate him.
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Debonair Danny DiPietro - 5 elim (Nero Cain, AurorusVox, Erratus Apathos, sottyrulez, Kublai Khan)
Gobots - 4 elims (VP Baltar, Internet Stranger, SnakePlissken, Trendall)
bristep123 - 3 elims (vezokpiraka, Lowell, bristep123)
Baby Spice - 3 elims (VasudeVa, Gobots, Baby Spice)
Kublai Khan - 3 elim (Primate, Hoppster, Gman)
AurorusVox - 2 elim (Furcolow, jediknight)
Erratus Apathos - 2 elim (chesskid3, Bella)
Kise - 2 elim (Scott Brosius, Kise)
SnakePlissken - 1 elim (Thor665)
Bella - 1 elim (jasonT1981)
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I really wish people would stop insisting that VI has a town or scum definition. A VI is just a hard-to-read player. usually because of erratic and irrational play.
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Yes, he does. The Wiki-thing is a null-tell.
First 3 posts in Rumble- moves with little to no explanation.
He claimed to have no opinion of VP Baltar's list as far as to who to target for removal from the Rumble, but he had exclusively targetted Lowell & JasonT1981 who were on VP's list.
Iso #3 - Admits to skimming and not wanting to join in "list" discussion.
Has not attempted to open any new avenue of discussion
Iso #4 - "Wouldn't it make sense for scum to just sheep and attack the people that everybody else is attacking?"
Blatant self-mockery scum-tell.
Iso #9 - Denial & Deflection 101
Iso #17 - Fluff-Hunting.
Asks Vas why she hates GMan, but never follows up on it once it's not answered.
Iso #21 - Strongly focusing on an inconsequential item in a post made by a overall pro-town person. Good way to have a little argument then back down and look pro-town because of it. Which is exactly what happens in 23-25.
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First, a big LOL at Furcolow for stating how intelligent he is, then running afoul of just about every special rule in the game. It's the literary equivalent of walking into a glass door. Repeatedly.
Second, and if I could be serious for a moment, I would like more people to vote and/or comment on Hoppster.Occasionally intellectually honest
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@Furcolow: Oddly, we're on the same page in this game (re: Hoppster being scum). Different book, but totally same page! Parenthesis-use is an individual idiosyncracy, independent of alignment. Unless, of course, you can provide a meta where Hoppster uses brackets as scum and not town...
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@Internet Stranger: What's your take on Trendall?
@VasudeVa: I think your case on GMan is weak atm. I agree that sucking up is generally a scum-tell, but you're going to need a bigger behavioral pattern then just an isolated incident (in the Rumble, no less). I suggest you keep your eye on him.
@Nero Cain: Explain #805. How are you coming to the conclusion that Lowell and Furcolow's votes are opportunistic? Keep it under 200 words, but I want a detailed reasoning. Otherwise your whole post is just cheap plastic imitation scumhunting.
@chesskid3: Explain your conclusion that Trendall is a mislynch. What changed between when you voted for him and when you declared him a mislynch?
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@Internet Stranger - Check out Trendall's wiki page and meta him a bit. He hasn't played as scum yet, but every town game he's played he's been a vocal player. Then read him in Iso in this game.
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@VP Baltar: Is chesskid3 still high up on your townlist? Because he dropping down a bit for me..
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Agreed with Primate.
Except about Thor, whom I'm getting some mild bad vibes from. However he's right in that both Thor and Hoppster are posting enough so that there's plenty to read and analyze from later. Trendall is refusing and has refused to provide any substantial game analysis. He's not playing to his town-meta and he's dragging the game to deadline unnecessarily.
Those who are bluntly stating that Trendall is town pre-flip without any supporting reasoning are earning mega-scum points right now. Internet Stranger and chesskid3 are the first two to pop in my head, but I'll re-read later to see if there is anyone else.
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@Empking: Welcome in! Are you going to lurk this game?
@Mod: You wouldn't explain the difference between "kicked off road" and "long term injury" would you? Or at least clarify that it's mechanic related and not flavor related?
@Kise: Let me join the chorus of people asking you to explain a little more in detail what happened and why you feel scum was involved. I don't understand the "amateur scumbags... getting pinned" line from 1112.
@SnakePlissken: As I recall, Locke didn't say that this game was representing any particular era of the WWE/F
Also, this may be a shot in the dark, but I have a townier feeling about Nero Cain.
@Nero: Is that feeling warranted that you know about?
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Daivari is a manager/jobber with a middle eastern gimmick (He's Iranian, IIRC). SnakePlissken is correct that he's usually been a heel with an anti-American angle. Also, he's been in TNA and ROH.
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22: Shawn Daivari
23: "I hace an ability to get information about players. With that information I was able to find out DDD is that guy."
24: Tell me your hometown
26: It says he is born in "Minneapolis, Minnesota"
27: "There are no more wrestlers born there"
DDD
39: I'm not Shawn Daivari
42: Hometown is identical
43: Not from that town, just billed as being from there
Conclusion: vezokpiraka got a piece of information about hometown and lept to the wrong conclusion.
Analysis: verokpiraka is town. DDD is more townish, but not as town as verokpiraka. He is generally cool under pressure regardless of alignment.Occasionally intellectually honest
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@Locke- Could you take Trendall off the "Alive" list? (And fix your sig)
@chesskid3 - Make your case (or link it) against Erratus Apathos.
@Scott Brosius - You're on my scumdar, so some reads would be appreciated.
@Hoppster - Why do you only scumhunt when the spotlight of attention is on you?
I have to admit that in the Nero Cain/Internet Stranger feud, I'm finding myself agreeing with (some of) what Nero Cain said.
@Internet Stranger - Post 1208 is just awful and scummy. Why was a fullclaim necessary from both Vezopiraka & DDD? Why did you emphatically state that it wasn't rolefishing when it clearly is rolefishing?
I also don't like the "I said I was gonna hammer, so chesskid3 is to blame for the lynch" play. It's a weasely way to get out of responsibility of lynching someone you repeatedly stated that you didn't think was scum (even in the hammering post).
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I legitimately forgot you were in this game, Primate. I want to hear more from you.
Also, I don't understand your condemnation of verokpiraka. On a meta level, the whole episode points to her being town because she is an absolutely horrible mafia player. I don't see how lack of flavour knowledge is leading you to the conclusion you came to. What specifically about the flavor do you feel you lack?Occasionally intellectually honest
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@Internet Stranger: That doesn't fit the timeline. You asked for two full claims after it was painfully obvious how vezokpiraka misused the little information that she had gleamed.
Also don't "these aren't the droids you're looking for" me. That shit only works on the weak minded.
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