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Okay, I guess it's time for a mass-roleclaim."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Seriously though, my internet connection has been giving me trouble as of late, but it shouldn't stop me from making at least one post per day."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Well, this is certainly stupid. Mufasa is at lynch-2 and it's not even page 3. I mean, I suppose I should be happier that stuff is happening, but this is just silly.
vote: RayFrostfor putting the fifth vote on andSuspect: spyrex and pomegranatefor similar opportunism."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Mufasa, were you being serious when you claimed to be vanilla townie? Or were you just trying to start the pot?"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Going through the game and writing this up as I read, but there's lots of garbage about previous games. If I missed something lemme know.
I don't trust RayFrost. He placed Mufasa within two votes of being lynched, and then said that he wasn't keeping track and also that he didn't know L-2 was dangerous --two very weak excuses. I also don't like how he didn't see anything wrong with Lynch-2 on page 2, but thinks L-1 on page 5 is too soon. I will leave my vote on him for now. I believe it is not misplaced.
roflcopter seems okay, but the way he coaches RayFrost as if he were a townie, while simultaniously voting him and calling him scum and "moderately scummy" is off-putting for me.
Pomegranate's double post is suspicious. Pom felt it was necessary to change "MBF is leaning town" to the more assertive "MBF=town". This lets me know that he's previewing his messages, then altering them slightly before he posts, perhaps in an effort to prevent giving away any scumtells. Or in this case, to try and establish a stong connection between me so that I'd be more trusting of him, or that when I die he looks better/can claim cop.
Snow Bunny seems fine for now. Don't know where this wagon is materializing from.
Snow White makes a big post. It's mostly just summarizing the game thus far with a bit of commentary mixed in. Good to see that she's putting effort into the game, but it's effort that could be easily manufactured by scum. Neutral read right now.
crypto wrote: Mufasa wasn't going to get lynched. That would be silly.
How do you know he wouldn't be lynched? He reached Lynch-2 in a matter of hours and nobody seemed to notice. In fact, Rayfrost, who put him at lynch-2, bluntly stated that he wasn't paying attention. I could easily see him getting quick lynched.girlinternet wrote: do you think there was a real risk of Mufasa being lynched that early??
I would like to know your reasoning here. From my point of view Ray is one of the most suspicious players so far.girlinternet wrote:it's not. the ray wagon is the dumb one. he's clearly town."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Haven't thought about it much. Being so early in the game, any pairings or scum-connections at his point would be based on fairly trivial evidence.Hey Mike, if you could call a scum group/pairing/etc, what would it be right now?
More like "I consider L-2 to not be dangerous since most of the scum was already on the wagon".I consider L-1 dangerous, since it is easy to slip onto the wagon with near empty reasoning. I consider l-2 to not be dangerous, since it is not so simple. The day doesn't end when that first reasonless vote is cast."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I don't think I commented on Mufasa's play yet. My opinion is that it was ridiculous, but is more scummy than townie. "I'm a vanilla townie" is not something a cop or doc would say ... even as a joke. Therefore, I willing to hedge my bets on him either being vanilla townie or mafia. Even so, I don't believe his statement was heavily indicative of alignment, and I like how GreenCrayons jumped right in.
I agree with this feeling.Snowbunny wrote:Spyrex is neutral, though I'm getting good vibes from him, that last comment about vigging even if it ended the day didn't sound good to me.
No, no problem here. I do the same. But why did you choose a more assertive tone when declaring me to be town?Pomegrantie wrote:I always preview my posts, and often alter them slightly. I hope you have no problem with that, as I always do it.
I was implying that you would make a future cop claim once I'm killed and revealed to be town.How would I be setting up for a cop claim? There hasn't been night yet.
I'm a bit concerned about Spyrex right now. He's has done almost zero not-Mufasa related talking so far, and he has commented little on RayFrost. Well, except his most recent post where he reacted to a comment I directed at RF. That's a bit suspicious too, because I was actually trying to get under RF's skin, and Spyrex accuses me of "hyper-agressive posturing" instead of waiting to see RF's reaction."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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So.... your vote on Snow Bunny, which was meant to be pressure, may or may not be pressure, and you want to vote her and are okay with being on her lynch for no reason, just as long as you aren't the hammer on the lynch.
Did I phrase your scatter-shot logic aptly?"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Yeah, it's very difficult to follow your logic.
Do you think Snow Bunny is scummy? If so, why? If not, why are you voting her?
If you are voting her to pressure her, why are you talking about hammer?"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Did you just claim to be the state of Vermont?"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Upon review of AGOTI's posts, I see not much content (3 posts), but not much scummy behavior either (although the former typically implies the latter). Most suspicious thing is how she regards RayFrost as completely town, but never explains it even a little. Could be scum looking forward to a townie-RayFrost lynch and is grandstanding to make herself look better when he dies.
Definitely need to see more content from her."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Is this a pressure vote, or are you just buttering up to Crypto?Snow White wrote:Until then im going to oblige Crypto in the AGOI hunt and
Vote a Girl On The Internet"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Haha. This is like a big Abbott and Costello routine.
*unvote* because I want to be the one to hammer RayFrost."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Well yeah, but I can't hammer him if I'm already voting him, can I?Pomegranate wrote:Well, I don't think he's at L-1 anymore."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Oh, look. It's Spyrex, one of the other people who has barely done anything. Here to give another post without content. Yaayyyyy~~
Seriously man, there's only 8 pages, but you can't be bothered to go back and see all the reasons why we're voting him? You're going to force us to do more work that you should be doing? Bad form.
Fair enough. There are certainly a few more people I'd like to hear from.Snow white wrote: And i like as much productive discussion as possible, all around the table before a lynch is reached."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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@agoti:
What? You're one of the people who jumped on snowbunny and said nothing about Prozac. Now Prozac is scum because *you* went after Snow Bunny?
MAKE SENSE DAMMIT!
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Spyrex and Snowbunny, mostly. Crypto's posts are half fluff and half one-liners, so him too. I'd also do better with more from rolfcopter, tajo, and AGOTI (not that those three aren't doing enough-- just that I don't have good reads on them yet)"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I don't know what the Silver rule is, but I'm going to congratulate you on knocking over that strawman. Mufasa had already made a half-roleclaim. I just wanted to know if he was being serious.MBF's iso 2/3 together paint a magnificent picture. First, one calls out the wagon on Mufasa (again, see Silver Rule) and then flips and flat out rolecalls on him?
Well, I was trying to see how RF reacted to my accusations, but then you had to butt in. Thanks again for that.I... (Not to mention a wagon like that is too delicious to not attack) and then the flip on me for calling out the agressiveness of his post under the guise of "trying to get under RF's skin" swoosh.
There also hasn't been a lot of scumhunting in his posts. Only person besides Mufasa he's gone after is Snow Bunny (using mostly already established reasons).RF oozes town, for the simple fact there isn't any (or he's around the horn to awesome) manipulation in those posts.
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Oh, okay, I misunderstood your reasoning."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I hope I'm a Jester next game I'm with you.The Silver Rule: If someone says "lynch me!" you lynch them. Period.
You're attacking me for rolecalling Mufasa, which I did not. Attacking somebody for something they did not do is a strawman argument.It's not a function of strawman.
When did I say that I thought Mufasa was town?If you think Mufasa is town there is absolutely no reason to try to get more information about his role via something said in the confirmation stage of the game.
So... you think I shouldn't have asked him if he was being serious about his role claim because he could be town, but you would have vigged him anyway. Right-o.The fact he even ANSWERED it is just icing on the wanting to vig him.
Now you're accusing me for something I haven't even done. What a nice change of pace.it sets up the most heinous of crimes later: the "welp, he's a vanilla" lynch. Its the perfect excuse to jump on a wagon and it drives me nuts.
Please elaborate because I don't see it.And this isn't tinfoil because you yourself alluded to it later
Yeah, what moron tries to use"Lol, reactions" questions are double woosh.reactionsto find out who's scum? Let's just kill people who try to use logic. [/sarcasm]
Does this make a town on page nine? Hells no. (Which is the point I was trying to make. Wasn't using it as a reason to vote for him at all. More strawmanning.)Does this make a scum? Maybe.
Does this make a scum on page nine? Hells to the no."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Mufasa: I'm vanilla townieSpyreX wrote:
Between the callout of the wagon, and again later the "All the scum were on the wagon" statement to RF its not a tough deduction.When did I say that I thought Mufasa was town?
Me: Are you being serious, or are you joking around?
You: OMG WHY ARE YOU PUSHING FOR A ROLE CLAIM
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You: STOP PUSHING FOR A ROLE CLAIM!
Also, the "all scum are on the wagon" wasn't a serious claim by me. Like I said in a previous post, it was FAR TOO EARLY for me to make connections like that. I was JUST TRYING TO OBSERVE HIS REACTION.
You just admitted that you would have killed somebody on the second page, even if there's a good chance he is town. That's incredibly hurtful for the town.
Yes because there is no reason to answer that. Or to say lynch me. If I could have vigged him I sure as hell would have.So... you think I shouldn't have asked him if he was being serious about his role claim because he could be town, but you would have vigged him anyway. Right-o.
....then it's not. And it isn't. But that didn't stop you from attacking me for it.
If thats not setup for the "welp, he's vanilla" then...Therefore, I willing to hedge my bets on him either being vanilla townie or mafia.
To see if RayFrost would react in a panicked sort of way.But, lets play along. What was your expectations from this gambit?
You: Rayfrost is town because he hasn't been manipulative!So you're saying this wasn't supplying a reason for your preference to lynch:
If not, since you're shouting strawman, what is it? Sure looks like justification to me.There also hasn't been a lot of scumhunting in his posts. Only person besides Mufasa he's gone after is Snow Bunny (using mostly already established reasons).
Me: Yeah, but he hasn't been scumhunting either.
You: So just because he hasn't been scumhunting that makes him scum?!?
Me: No, but just because he hasn't been manipulative doesn't make him town, either.
You: You're voting him because he hasn't been scumhunting, huh?
Me: No, I'm voting him because he put Mufasa at Lynch-2, gave two very weak reasons for doing so, and spent most of his time asking questions while giving a minimalist amount of input.
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tl;dr.
just kidding, I'll read tomorrow. Feeling very tired. School. in a few hours."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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The wagon was terrible, but that has nothing to do with Mufasa's alignment. Terrible arguments can be made against both town and scum.You came in and say the wagon was stupid. Further, you lept all over those players on the wagon. If this is genuine, the inference would have to be that Mufasa was town for this to be "stupid" and "silly".
Because I wanted to know if he was making a joke (like I thought) or was legitimately making a claim. Welcome to 5 pages ago.Then, you ask if his statement in the RVS was serious regarding his role. Assuming the above, what rationale does town have to do that?
Not hurtful =/= town. Unlike you, I think somebody going "hai guys! Lynch me" isn't indicative of alignment. Seemed like more random silliness, a common occurrence in the first few pages.Not hurting the towns oohhh noes. Again, this means that you find the "lynch me" business to be not hurtful and is further justification for the belief that you find mufasa to be town and THUS the asking for his role makes no sense, still.
I have never come close to saying anything about lynching RayFrost because he's "just vanilla". That has never been my policy. In fact, here's a link to a game in which I, as a townie, refused to lynch somebody just because "he's just vanilla". I did so at great personal risk, and everybody started to pile their votes on me afterward.When what is it? If its not preparation for a lynch because its "just a vanilla" what was the purpose of all that role speculation?
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I'm not going to waste my time defining words for you. That's what a dictionary is for.What defines panicked?
I am not saying 'RAYFROST IS SCUMMY BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BEEN SCUMHUNTING'. I am saying 'You cannot write him off as town just because he has some townish behavior and *seems* genuine. He's also had scummy behavior such as not scumhunting'You: Why is that justification for him being TOWN at this point in the game? P.S. Strawman
Me: What? How is your line about his not scumhunting not justification for his lynch? If not what is it? (This hasn't been answered, still)
You said that RayFrost was definitely town because he "seems sincere". Do youhonestlythink that is good reasoning? In a game where the whole point is to fake sincerity?"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Wrong. Even if a scum is getting lynched, the wagon can be formed on terrible or non-existent logic, which it was. Regardless of Mufasa's alignment, the wagon was dumb and I stated such.If you think he is scum and that whole lynch me business was a gambit (sup) then its not a terrible wagon.
Because if he had said "Yes, I'm seriously Vanilla", then he's stuck with that claim and can't go back later and say "oh, I was just kidding".What overall town-purpose does asking if a confirmation statement is a true claim or not serve?
It's a moot point anyway. He said he wasn't being serious.
Again, somebody going "hai guys! Lynch me" isn't indicative of alignment. I also don't think that trying to stir the pot is indicative of alignment.It wasn't random silliness. He even said that. He said it was "lol, reactions".
Maybe it didn't have a purpose. Maybe I'm thinking out loud and posting my thoughts for all to see. To accuse me of setting up a "he's-just-vanilla" lynch when I've done no such thing is misleading.If it wasn't for the purpose of setting up the vanilla-lynch, then what purpose did it serve?
I'm not going to sit here and explain how people act when their panicking, either. It's self-explanatory.If that was some great lol, reactions move then having an inference on what the reactions could be and how they affected your read on the events wasn't a difficult question.
Let me break it down Barney-style for you. If you say "That pen is red, it must be made of fire" and I reply "Yeah, but this pen is also blue. Does that mean it's made of water?", I am not stating that the pen is made of water. I am pointing out how stupid your first statement was.Because, that last line sure says "Rayfrost is scummy for not scumhunting" despite the caps in the front."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I'm not going to waste any more time trying to rebutt Spyrex unless somebody else wants me to clarify something specifically. I'm tired of arguing the same points over and over again.
crypto's case on AGOTI, I gotta say, barely swayed me at all. A lot of the stuff he placed in the category of "substantial issues" seem to be poor playing, but not necessarily scum.
Tajo, I notice that you strongly suggested a wagon on Prochaz without giving any reasoning. Why is that?"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Misread his vote. Anyway, I haven't picked up on any Pomescum behavior in the game yet. I'm curious as to your reasons you suspect him.Prochaz? You mean Pome right?
Maybe. I know the AGOTI lynch has been brought up before and I don't ever think I agreed with the logic behind it.Does cryptos case include mine and elvis's points?"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Yep. That's because the wagon was terrible.MBF will not take a stance on Mufasa's alignment while simultaneously calling out the wagon
Liar. We already went over this. I'm not implying that Mufasa is town, just trying to get a reaction from RF.Further, he insinuated to RF that "all the scum were already on the wagon" which should be an implication that Mufasa is town yet...
It would only be a real point if Mufasa had said he was serious. He didn't.MBF unnecessarily asked for role information from Mufasa that makes absolutely no sense to ask for if town.
The way you describe it makes it sound like I'm OMGUS reacting.elvis wrote:I also think MBF might be scum. I won't go into specifics of the exchange with spyrex, since I didn't read it that closely yet. But I think the way this all started between them is that spyrex said he had a bad feeling about mbf. Then mbf said he had a bad feeling about spyrex. Seemed like mbf's bad feeling was only a reaction to spyrex, before he even heard the reasons from spyrex."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Oh, yay. crypto's posts now feature 90% less content."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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SpyreX wrote:Ray, you down for getting lynched under the caveat that if you flip town that means a vig shoots one of GC and MBF and if they are scum the other dies?
What. The only player you've gone after all game is Snow Bunny, you've said that Iseem town to you, you haven't everRayFrost wrote:Sure.mentionedGreen Cryaons, but yet, you're willing to die as long either me or GC dies next?
I'm calling bullshit. If you were really a townie then you wouldn't want to sacrifice yourself so that people you think are town get lynched too.
vote: Rayfrost
Let's get this wagon back up again."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Or, it could be that she was trying to shift the wagon off of her partner. It would also explain why she jumped off the Ray-wagon so quickly.iso 9 is the "I think ray is scum and rolf is his scumpartner, so I guess Ill vote rolf" wtfpost. Pom is definitely not thinking very much in who she is voting.
I like your arguments, tajo, but not so much the "trusting somebody she just called scum" part. Seems like she was responding to elvis, not rofl.
So, you only read the first six words of that 42-word sentence. Just couldn't finish reading the whole thing, huh?RayF wrote: I seemed to have not been clear:
I'm fine with being lynched.
I don't really agree with the vig shooting one of you stuff.
You're only at two votes. By the way, I like how you're 'final' act of scumhunting is a one-sentence post for half the players, and calling out lurkers. And by "I like" I actually mean "I'm annoyed by"Quick list of reads, since I'm gonna die:"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Okay, but like I said... you've only got two votes. If you're really town and you want to win this game (and why would you join if you didn't), then contribute more.RayFrost wrote: 1. I'm a distraction
2. if I remain in the game, I'll just lead to the town having brawl outs over me every day, better to get rid of me early to everybody can deal with finding scum"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Didn't realize you wanted me to comment on that.MBF hasn't said anything about my post 282, or tried to explain his obvious OMGUS reaction.
I don't really see any OMGUS going on. Even before Spyrex commented on me, I had already commented negatively on Spyrex twice (MBF iso 2&6). Spyrex then said he was "getting a nasty twitch" about me (which I didn't mind) and also said that I seemed like I was "hyper-aggressive posturing", which was partially true. (It was aggressive. That was my intent). My response to it was not to vote, finger, or accuse him, but to point out some of his behavior that I thought was suspicious (Talked exclusively about Mufasa, and commented little on RayFrost).
In fact, and this may surprise you because we've argued so much, but I *DONT* think Spyrex is scum. He's been suspicious, though, and I think his logic is terrible and his arguments are flawed beyong belief. But I really think RayFrost is scum, and if that is true, then Spyrex is probably town. RayFrost is an easy wagon, of that there's no doubt, but if so, why would Spyrex come in and fight the lynch so vehemently if they were both scum? The RF lynch was looking inevitable, and by defending him Spyrex would have just been setting himself up for a lynch tomorrow.
*Sigh* Am I going to have to repeat the entire debate I had with Spyrex two pages ago? I wasn't rolefishing. Mufasa had already claimed vanilla townie. I wanted to make sure he was joking. He was. I don't know why this is an issue. We'd only have a problem if Mufasa said he was seriously vanilla townie because then we'd have an unwarranted role claim.Notice how he says the wagon is horrible, but he's more than happy to get a claim, and wants to make sure the claim wasn't just a joke. So he is simultaneously derailing the wagon, and fishing for role information on the same person
I cannot honestly believe thatyou think that I was willing to risk my neck to rolefish a claimed vanilla townie.
So what if Ray's acting like a 'villiage idiot'? That doesn't excuse the evidence against him.snow bunny or ray, might be scum, but they're sort of VI's, and beating on them right now is not really productive
I don't even understand the logic here.mbf is not a VI. He is our best hope for scum at this point. Wagon him"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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If he confirmed his claim of vanilla townie, then that would restrict his ability to fake claim later, which is particularly handy if a cop investigates him. Also, a doctor wouldn't waste his protection ability on him, because he's either a 'powerless' townie or mafia.I cannot honestly think of any reason a town player would need to know this either.
@AGOTI: That was the definition of opportunism. You haven't said a single thing about me being suspicious, yet when there are a few votes on me you join in because you're "bored"?
Note: I might disappear until Monday. Getting very busy and Real Life is not being kind."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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What the fuck are you talking about?crypto wrote:Unvote. Vote: mikeburnfire.A player doesn't make a joke and then leave it hanging when no one questions it. His original VT claim was enough to restrict later claims.
Because if a cop investigates RayFrost and gets a guilty result, there is no way for him to counterclaim cop, miller, or some other bullshit.I don't see how a vanilla claim is handy for a cop
She did say she was bored, but there were reasons in there for voting you. Some of them were agreeing with me and spyrex, but she had a good original bit about "blue pen/red pen" which made me lol and was accurate.Allof her reasons were parroted from you and spyrex, and her "original bit" was just "spyrex made a point and I don't understand mbf's response, lol""It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I agree that it was silly, but I wasn't entirely sure he was joking. I thought he was, but Lord knows I've seen my share of stupid townies.crypto wrote:
RayFrost joking about his claim was a silly premise. You had no reason not to believe him.mikeburnfire wrote:What the fuck are you talking about?
I don't understand what you mean.
We already knew that before you asked him to confirm/change his claim.Because if a cop investigates RayFrost and gets a guilty result, there is no way for him to counterclaim cop, miller, or some other bullshit."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Right, we were talking about Mufasa. I think. I was at least."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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It's actually just bad timing. I have finals coming up that demand much more attention, desperate scrapping for work on third shift, and I'm spending all day Friday at my monthly Marine Corps Drill and all day Saturday helping my girl clean up a church after a wedding.elvis_knits wrote:So what do we think of the fact that as soon as we rallied a wagon on mbf he got really busy and will be unable to post until monday or something?
Besides, there's no reason for me to be here. Most of the points brought up against me I've already tried to explain, and every time I try to explain nobody seems to understand me anyway.
Maybe I'll post Sunday. Or maybe I'll just take a page out of RayFrost's playbook and not do anything to help the town at all. It's worked for him so far."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I know, right? But it helps re-enforce the point thatRayFrost has not been helpful."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I can't sleep. I have been awake for about 24 hours and I need to stay awake for another 20. I'm so very very screwed.
I think I may have figured out the scumteam. It's Ray Frost, and two of [Elvis Knits, Pomegranite, Porochaz]. Of the two, I'd say Porochaz has been the most town, so my initial assumption would be Ray-Elvis-Pom.
My reasons consist of the fact that Ray Frost is obviously scum, and I'm willing to believe that he's foolish enough to forget to comment on his scumbuddies. Elvis latched on to me and really got my wagon started using 3-page old Spyrex attacks. Pomegranite's recent post is absolutely terrible, trying to justify voting me, while at the same time defending me for when I come up as town.
Porochaz, however, was very reluctant to vote Ray, and it was only after Ray failed to make a decent defense post that he voted him. The very next post he went after AGOTI again. And both he and Elvis have been working together to get the AGOTI wagon started. So I could see him as being the third with Elvis and Ray."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Three scum is my assumption. Only having two would be incredibly unbalanced for the mafia, and having four would start to be unbalanced for the town. Of course, it's not out of the question, nor is the possibility of multiple families, odd gameplay mechanics, or balancing power roles. But I have yet to see a reason to believe any of those things are present.bunny wrote:Why are you so sure there are three scums in the team?
That doesn't make any sense. If Pom and I are scum and I got lynched, by defending me she makes herself look more suspicious. And by attacking your case on me she makes you look more town.elvis wrote:No, Pom is YOUR scum buddy.
She defended you and attacked my case on you and then proceeded to vote you.
Also, this is the most easily persuaded 'town' I think I've ever been in. Seriously, it's like you all just hop on whatever is popular. Not to say that the Pom case is bad (it's actually pretty good), but Elvis's vote was terrible. He leaves the wagon on me (which had more votes) for the wagon on Pom, and the only reasoning I can see is that he thinks Pom might be my scumbuddy.
Is that the only reason you were voting RayFrost? If so, why are you suddenly changing your vote when the wagon was building and RayFrost still hadn't responded?crypto wrote: I obviously agree with Tajo and everyone else about her vote/wagon patterns. Shame there isn't more interest in punishing RayFrost for being a goof."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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What? Twenty posts ago you were ready to cut off my head. Now you want to hug and work together?
Go away, you bipolar freak.
Seriously though, I too think that Pom has been suspicious and could be persuaded to vote her. But not by you, and certainly not until RayFrost does somethingtownish"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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"FIVE! FIVE sudden votes on Pomegranite! Ah! Ah! Ah!""It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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If I'm reading this correctly, most of the case on Pom stems from her vote in the Mufasa wagon. If that's the case, then this wagon is incredibly flimsy. Stop wasting time and let's kill RayFrost."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Reading is tech.mykonian wrote:just to let you know, between friday and monday I'll be gone. I'll try to make a last votecount friday, when I can, but I'll probably don't do a thing sunday's. Between that, the awesome backup mod Tarballs will look after you. Be nice to him."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I should rephrase. All the *recent* votes seemed to be based on the flimsy Mufasa wagon. You did make some good points at the time, but I seem to remember that they implied a Pom-RayFrost wagon, and there has still been no progress with him.populartajo wrote:So what exactly changed in this period of time? Why did you support the Pom wagon before and now that its finally growing why you are reducing the arguments?"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Because everybody here is easily persuaded to join whatever wagon is popular at the time.roflcopter wrote:vote: pom
i don't really understand why the focus shifted from mbf to pom, though. can someone give a concise explanation for why he's not being lynched?
Speaking of which, I see you've placed Pom one vote away from a lynch. Hiding behind Elvis, of course."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Vote: Rayfrost
I expect this guy dead when I get back from my classes."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I am disappointed.
What's there to talk about? Two vanilla townies are dead because RayFrost decided to end the day quickly (he even acknowledged this in 477) and without even waiting for a role claim. He has been decidedly non-helpful in ANY way to the town and shows no signs of changing. I'm willing to bet this whole game on him being scum.
Now, we could talk. Certainly. But if we're just going to repeat what we did yesterday (Ignoring the obvious Ray-scum, running up random bandwagons, nit-picking over useless garbage) then I'm going to have to be replaced, as I will likely smash my head into my keyboard.
@ elvis. Rolf isn't blameless. He 'shamelessly sheeped' on Pomegranite, hiding behind you the entire time. It's entirely possible that he could be scum. Hard to say, and his lurking doesn't help."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Crypto, can you expand on your last two posts?
Do you think Tajo is town-ier than you placed him on your list?
How do you expect ROFL-town to play?"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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YOU LIERayFrost wrote:I was thinking the "have to unvote" rule would mean your vote (and mine) wouldn't count, rofl.Tajo, yesterday wrote: ebwop, i remembered that rule about the obligatory unvote, so pom isnt lynched.
Still, I dont think rolf and frost knew this, so my accusation still applies.Ray, yesterday wrote:I did remember it"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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OHMYGOD TAJO WILL YOU PLEASE SHOW UP AND END THIS CRAP"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Have you been lurking? 'Cuz the way that you didn't post anything all day, but posted a reply almost immediately when I called you out makes me think you're lurking.
Also, it's pretty convenient for you to hide all day, then show up when the wagon's been formed and criticize the wagon.
Finally, you reason why bunny is scum seems weak
I agree. He pretty much knew he was going to get lynched today. But I doubt his actions on Day 1 will be any more revealing. It's the behavior of everybody else that I'll be looking at, specifically Day 1 behavior.I have a strong feeling that some of his posts today are designed to wifomize, kamikaze style"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I didn't take that into consideration, but my points still stand. It seems like you are lurking, you're criticizing those on the Ray wagon just because they were faster than you, and your reason for saying "bunny is scum" seems weak."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Also,
Given the fact that you just named 7 out of the 9 remaining players (excluding yourself), the only way you could be wrong is if Ray is scum with AGOTI and ROFL.Also, Im pretty sure there is at least one busser in the quick wagon, so check this list also when the game has less people:
poro, flashy, bunny, white, elvis, spyrex, (crypto)
So, yeah. That's a pretty useless statement.
Because I said you're name and you showed up, you freaking genie.Why does your lurking point still stand when I already explained why I didnt post before?
I didn't say that. You're criticizing THOSE ON the ray wagon. Specifically, you called it a "quick wagon", which I suppose it is, but not without reason.Im not criticizing the ray wagon, what in hell gave you that impression?
No, I really don't know what to think about ROLF at this point.do you disagree with me on rolf?"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I hate you."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I hate you too."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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@Tajo,
I'll give a thorough review to everybody tomorrow if I'm still alive, after Ray's dead and there's one less townie to consider. My cursory read of ROFL, though, is so-so. Nothing overtly townie, but nothing damningly scummy either. I don't like the way he's gone after Porochaz. Feels weird to me. But ISUPPOSEI can understand how some people would be averse to lynching Ray quickly. It's entirely possible for him to just be the worst townie ever.
Because you were the only one who hadn't posted yet.tajo wrote:Why did you call my name of all possible ones?
Well, duh. Like I said, you name 7 out of 9 players and odds are there's going to be at least one scum among them. That's just mathematically sound. Especially since (I would hope) both scummates wouldn't be stupid enough to both fight the lynch.elvis wrote:Tajo said that if ray is scum, at least one buddy is probably bussing him. That's not a criticism of the wagon. That's just a reminder that if ray flips scum, there will be scum on the wagon too. I happen to agree.
I assumed "I remembered it" meant "I remembered to unvote, so he IS lynched".a girl on the internet wrote:
um, what? this is not a contradiction. this is the opposite of a contradiction.Ray, yesterday wrote:I did remember it"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Why can't this wait until tomorrow? Instead of giving scum an insight to other players' suspicions?crypto wrote:Snow_Bunny, roflcopter, tajo, Snow White, and AGOTI, list/spectrum of player reads, please."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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You mean the assumption that revealing how we feel about other players can be observed by the mafia, who will use this extra knowledge to plan out how to more effectively manipulate the town?"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Well, they certainly can't all be scum."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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God, I forgot how these games drag on forever.
Snow White, hurry up and respond to these points so we can lynch Ray and I can proceed to [rub it in your faces / throw in the towel]"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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I'm here. Just having trouble with my internet + festively busy. I'll comment soon, but honestly I'm just happy Ray's gone. Not really surprised Spyrex was town."It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Assuming three scum, it's almost guaranteed that one person was bussing RayFrost. A second, however, could be both: Either also bussing the inevitable Raywagon, or distancing themself from their scum partner.Rayfrost(6): Porochaz, mikeburnfire, Snow_Bunny, elvis_knits, SpyreX, crypto
Mikeburnfire(2): Snow White, Rayfrost
Porochaz(2): Roflcopter, a girl on the internet
Of those who were not on the wagon ROLF and AGOTI look the worst, but Snow White has made a terribly meager amount of posts. It's important that she post more. Between ROLF and AGOTI, however, I don't know which one is more suspicious.
Of the people who were on the wagon, I'm looking at Crypto and Snowbunny being the scummiest and Porochaz being almost certainly town. The way he put Ray at L-1 and demanded a claim seems too extreme to be bussing. Elvis and Tajo are in the middle somewhere.
vote: Snow White"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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Where does Snow Bunny fit on that list, Poro?
unvoteSnow White. This was a pressure vote, mostly, and I like her contribution. More later, after work (if my internet stays up)"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."
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