Had to get in there first for this.
BM
I think you're the only guy here who will understand the reasoning behind it.curiouskarmadog wrote:Bm self votes?
ha.
good line up
vote Korts...too many games with you
rofl, i remember that. *cries for Twito* :'(Kison wrote:Vote: Guardian.
Am pretty sure he knows why.
Nice to see Raging Rabbit again. I figured you were a done deal after that fiasco between you and Twito.
I lol'd.Korts wrote:Here's to a very good game. Here's to drinking the wine in front of us.
Good defence!Korts wrote:BM, you're making an awful lot of votes. Why not do a whole round?
Lol, thats what i was MEANT to do!curiouskarmadog wrote:take a number.DrippingGoofball wrote:I want to poke CKD.
vote: CKD
I get it, on a similiar note, I was actually going to vote No lynch at first to test a theory.Battle Mage wrote:
I think you're the only guy here who will understand the reasoning behind it.
what does that mean exactly? xDRaging Rabbit wrote:Vote BMfor backing off a selfvote.
I'm pretty sure you're town at this point. But that doesnt mean i won't ring the police if i catch you abusing midgets.curiouskarmadog wrote:Ah, BM, you make me giggle inside, of course, so does midget porn.
Lol, i dont think that is a reason against self-voting in the early stages. It is just as likely (in fact, moreso) to promote discussion than voting for an individual. Yeh the self-vote was a mistake, but the premise is kinda the same. It's a vote which doesnt affiliate me to anyone directly, but indirectly is far more useful than a random vote.Raging Rabbit wrote:Voting yourself is kinda like saying "screw useless random votes, I'll start with voting myself for kicks and giggles." Then several joke posts after you switch to obsessive random voting. Doesn't mean much because the self-vote was apparantly a mistake and this being you an' all, but then again you did cry for Twito.
*points at the rules*curiouskarmadog wrote:I am pretty sure he meant to vote no lynch..I will vouch for that much...if you question why I quick meta will answer your questionRaging Rabbit wrote:Voting yourself is kinda like saying "screw useless random votes, I'll start with voting myself for kicks and giggles." Then several joke posts after you switch to obsessive random voting. Doesn't mean much because the self-vote was apparantly a mistake and this being you an' all, but then again you did cry for Twito.
lol How's this?Korts wrote:unvote, vote: BM
For two consecutive posts without a vote. Shame on you.
What do you mean?Korts wrote:How solid a read do you have at this point?Battle Mage wrote:I'm pretty sure you're town at this point.curiouskarmadog wrote:Ah, BM, you make me giggle inside, of course, so does midget porn.
I appreciate the thought. Maybe save it for when it's absolutely necessary?curiouskarmadog wrote:Adel is a stickler for this if I remember right..sorry mod.Battle Mage wrote:
*points at the rules*
since I wasnt talking about a particular game (mostly just pointing in a general direction) i dont think she will mind..but will let it drop anyway (just in case)...
I'd consider your experience limited then. Obviously it derives from game theory, but anything that encourages people to take sides, is invaluable at this stage in a game.Raging Rabbit wrote:Doesn't yield the same sort of information, and from my experience the discussion it creates revolves strictly around theory and meta and doesn't have much to do with the game.Battle Mage wrote:Lol, i dont think that is a reason against self-voting in the early stages. It is just as likely (in fact, moreso) to promote discussion than voting for an individual. Yeh the self-vote was a mistake, but the premise is kinda the same. It's a vote which doesnt affiliate me to anyone directly, but indirectly is far more useful than a random vote.Raging Rabbit wrote:Voting yourself is kinda like saying "screw useless random votes, I'll start with voting myself for kicks and giggles." Then several joke posts after you switch to obsessive random voting. Doesn't mean much because the self-vote was apparantly a mistake and this being you an' all, but then again you did cry for Twito.
Twito was a legend. Face facts.
BM
That isnt conclusive unless somebody claims midget, and/or you can prove that midgets are scum.RR wrote:Also, you're buddying up to midgets.
Twito Rules!RR wrote:I'm not letting this deteriorate into a Twito discussion, you can keep crying your eyes out as far as I'm concerned.
right... :SKorts wrote:You know what, never mind.Battle Mage wrote:What do you mean?Korts wrote:How solid a read do you have at this point?Battle Mage wrote:I'm pretty sure you're town at this point.curiouskarmadog wrote:Ah, BM, you make me giggle inside, of course, so does midget porn.
So how is defending them more scummy than abusing them?Korts wrote:Lolwut? Midgets are obvious pro-town.BM wrote:That isnt conclusive unless somebody claims midget, and/or you can prove that midgets are scum.
Can't have that!Korts wrote:I just realized I was potentially rolefishing.BM wrote:right... :S
I believe it was CKD.Korts wrote:Who's talking about abusing them?BM wrote:So how is defending them more scummy than abusing them?
Damn. Well, at least you'll never find out who my other buddy is!DrippingGoofball wrote:Good catch, but I'm already voting for his buddy, Kison.Korts wrote:unvote, vote: BM
For two consecutive posts without a vote. Shame on you.
roflcopter wrote:empirical evidence shows that if korts and i are in the same game, he is always scum
vote korts
who's twito? [/worthless newb]
DrippingGoofball wrote:Liar, Kison was bus'ing Guardian.Battle Mage wrote:*cough*Sensfan*cough*
BM
Actually both are wrong. But i have a town read on him based on a meta i can't reference, so it isn't of great value to the game at this point.Korts wrote:Nah. I wanted to ask whether you were joking when you said CKD was town or you did have an actual town read on him, but I realized that a) that's rolefishing to some extent, and b) you were probably joking anyway.Battle Mage wrote:Can't have that!Korts wrote:I just realized I was potentially rolefishing.BM wrote:right... :S
Go on- if you have a question, shoot.
From what i hear, the adult entertainment industry is not an entirely honest one for it's employees.Korts wrote:He only said something about enjoying midget porn. I don't think that's abuse. Heck, they're probably enjoying themselves.BM wrote:I believe it was CKD.Korts wrote:Who's talking about abusing them?BM wrote:So how is defending them more scummy than abusing them?
BM
what? :SKorts wrote: rofl, the only thing you're leaving out is the new C9. Flipped doc. You just didn't stay all the way through. Will I always have to tell you this?
Well, you more than doubled the length of the game. That's not a bad achievementKorts wrote:Quick, everyone start spamming! My goal is page forty by the time BM returnsBattle Mage wrote:sorry, i'm gonna be V/LA for the next 17 hours.
BM
The original idea was to build a meta, but with hindsight, that meta is a scum one.Guardian wrote:Kison, why go along with the joke that you are busing me?
BM, why change your vote every other post?
vote: Kison
@CKD- We have another one. roflvollkan wrote:This game looks set to be great. The list of players is absolutely brilliant.
Raging Rabbit wrote: Doesn't yield the same sort of information, and from my experience the discussion it creates revolves strictly around theory and meta and doesn't have much to do with the game. I'm not letting this deteriorate into a Twito discussion, you can keep crying your eyes out as far as I'm concerned. Also, you're buddying up to midgets.Vote: Vollkan
Four questions:
1) What "sort of information" does a non-self random vote yield?
2) Can you see any inherent game value in having a theory debate early on?
3) Based on your answers to 1) and 2), do you think self-voting in the random stage can be a reasonable course of conduct?
4) Was your post that I quote above at all influenced by meta actions of myself?
I'm also curious about this.SensFan wrote:Didn't you hear? Anyone with a cat in their avatar is Scum.Guardian wrote:What does this mean?Kison wrote:Clearly I need to get rid of the cat.
there's nothing mild about 'rofl'!roflcopter wrote:yeah i'm a person not an expression of mildly amused dismissal. though sometimes i'm that too.
ROFL.curiouskarmadog wrote:you me after me?roflcopter wrote:fair nuff
out of curiousity, who do you think is the most pro town at this moment
That's funny. In my experience, he is always the GF.curiouskarmadog wrote:vollkan...
but he always looks town to me.
I dont really see your issue here. Certainly nothing that would warrant a 'hardcore FoS' (damn, dont see those words together often enough!)destructor wrote:What's with the WIFOM?Battle Mage, Post 46 wrote:Damn. Well, at least you'll never find out who my other buddy is!DrippingGoofball wrote:Good catch, but I'm already voting for his buddy, Kison.Korts wrote:unvote, vote: BM
For two consecutive posts without a vote. Shame on you.
*cough*Sensfan*cough*
BM
FOS: Battle Mage
This is the first FOS I've pointed in about 12 months. Consider it seriously hardcore.
This is actually a very good point. If DGB wasnt a professional bser, and CKD strongly protown, i might be tempted to follow you.roflcopter wrote:unvote, vote: ckd
scum hate it so much when town starts clearing other town, it makes it so much harder to get mislynches
DGB is trying desperately to play to a meta.destructor wrote:DGB said rofl and I are 100% town, which seems a bigger statement than rofl ever made. I'm wondering why ckd and Kison are making rofl the bigger deal here and in fact saying nothing about DGB at all.
good lad!destructor wrote:quadruple post
He tried to place suspicion on me because of something that didnt warrant it. If my reason is BS, it's because it's a direct response to the original BS-which was his, btw.Korts wrote:That's a BS reason for voting. Not realizing something is a joke or not appreciating jokes about who your scumbuddy is is in no way a scummy thing.Battle Mage wrote:I dont really see your issue here. Certainly nothing that would warrant a 'hardcore FoS' (damn, dont see those words together often enough!)
Ftr, i was responding to a joke by DGB, in a similarly jokey fashion. I fail to see how you could be suspicious on me because i claimed scum in a really WIFOMy way.
Unvote, Vote: Destructor
i agree with the ROFLCOPTER!!!!roflcopter wrote:i don't see why not
Kind of. The point was, a vote which doesnt directly connect you to anyone, DOES in fact connect you to people, when they respond to what is seen as a controversial thing. That's just how i roll.ZazieR wrote:So you voted yourself so that you aren't connected with anyone, am I correct? If so, explain why you should be bothered with being connected with anyone.BM wrote:It's a vote which doesnt affiliate me to anyone directly, but indirectly is far more useful than a random vote.
*shrug*Zazier wrote:Perhaps offtopic, but I've seen Twito now several times.
Yeh, he's a mean MEAN scumbag alright!Zazier wrote:But that would have resulted into a 40-page game read for me and some others as well. You're mean.Korts wrote:Quick, everyone start spamming! My goal is page forty by the time BM returns
*screams*Zazier wrote:. You're a goner now BM as Des gave you... a FoS.Des wrote:This is the first FOS I've pointed in about 12 months. Consider it seriously hardcore.
Because it's a valid inconsistency?Zazier wrote:Why did you want to know this?Kison wrote:Why do you FoS Battle Mage for this comment, but not FoS me for this one
How the hell could he not realise it was a joke? You have to be kidding me!Korts wrote:Well, if he didn't realize it was a joke in the first place, I don't see how it's BS.Battle Mage wrote: He tried to place suspicion on me because of something that didnt warrant it. If my reason is BS, it's because it's a direct response to the original BS-which was his, btw.
BM
Can you please clarify WHY you think Des is protown? Because from where i'm sat, the reason it's different is- you dont have any reasoning for it.roflcopter wrote:oh yeah i almost forgot about bm's conviction that ckd is protown
ckd, kison: how does bm's declaration that ckd is protown differ from my own about des, and why has it gone ignored by you two up to this point?
Well, you should bear in mind, the random stage isn't really over yet. I dont think everybody has confirmed-certainly not all have made themselves present. That said, spreading bs is scummy.Korts wrote:űBattle Mage wrote:How the hell could he not realise it was a joke? You have to be kidding me!Korts wrote:Well, if he didn't realize it was a joke in the first place, I don't see how it's BS.Battle Mage wrote: He tried to place suspicion on me because of something that didnt warrant it. If my reason is BS, it's because it's a direct response to the original BS-which was his, btw.
BM
I just don't see it as an action that inherently benefits scum and makes sense only from that viewpoint.
it's just a gut/vibe thing. Plus she's getting on my nerves.Korts wrote:Seriously, BM, are you doing this purposely? This vote is even less justified.Battle Mage wrote: DGB is trying desperately to play to a meta.
In fact, I'm starting to feel DGB is being an intentional distraction while scum-Yos lurks away.
Unvote, Vote: DGB
Because she's being deliberately stupid, so we can't take anything she says seriously, and cant assess whether she is scum or not. You could say everything she's done so far is scummy, but this is DGB. It's the way she is, and she's playing upto her meta here.Guardian wrote: BM, why do you think DGB will be unreadable?
I've only done it once, and i was scum in that game. But, it was a long time ago, and i've found that making votes early on can help you when you read back when the game is 60 pages long (day 2).Guardian wrote:Why are you continuing to promote this meta of vote hopping if it is a scummy meta?
It's scummy in a meta sense, but it's not unhelpful. In game terms, it's a null tell, but for me, it will be helpful later when i need to remember who needs examining again, and if you're one of the people who thinks random voting is a great way to find ties between people, i'm leaving myself wide open to be analysed, which seems fairly helpful to the town too.Guardian wrote:Scummy things are generally scummy because they are unhelpful to town -- if you acknowledge that constantly moving your votes is scummy, e.g. unhelpful, why continue to do so?
This is entirely wrong. But then, you havent thought it through, which saddens me. You think self-voting is scummy, because it robs the town of information. BUT IT DOESNT! Because by self-voting, you gain valuable information and reactions from other players. I've actually realised that an early self-vote is the most protown play for someone.Guardian wrote: Self voting is scummy -- it robs town of information. I am disappointed in vollkan especially for this -- I've always looked at his play as logical and very helpful to town. I find his choice to self vote and rob the town of information suspicious and out of character, especially considering I think that others self-voting probably impacted his decision to do so.
I disagree. As scum i hate to reread, because finding scum doesnt directly fulfill my win condition. As town i will reread and analyse, because it's the name of the game for me.Guardian wrote: This is supposed to be such a stellar cast -- we seem to have largely spam'd/noise'd our way to page 8 in two days. Short page lengths are better for towns -- in reality, people are not going to re-read 40 page day ones as well as they read 15 page day ones.
No i don't. YOU need to think before you speak, and maybe you won't look silly on things that are fairly basic.Guardian wrote:BM you need to re-read the thread and come up with something logical, and stop the knee-jerk voting reactions that seem to come three times a page.
Guardian wrote:Reading over the thread again, there are two quick things I'd like to say.
If, after considering whether you truly think the case on CKD is good, you still think it is, keep going for it. I do not want us to waste time, but I just remembered the plethora of reasons I refuse to defend people -- I am not going to defend him by saying why I think the points against him are weak, that is up to him.
I think destructor is townish, but I have been wrong and been burned too many times to say "obviously town." I already decided I am going to keep my eyes on him today, and not let my initial read blind me. I suggest everyone does the same with all players.
roflcopter wrote:mod, please prod yosarian2
he hasn't posted at all
He was a name i could remember was in the game, that i hadnt mentioned yet? I dont know. It's called the RANDOM voting stage for a reason.destructor wrote:BM, I know you said it jokingly. I'm repeating myself here. You got the FOS for implicating Sens. Kison played along with DBG based on interaction that already existed. You specifically bought SensFan into it for no reason I can understand. What was the point of that?
I dont see why he wouldnt be prodded if the Mod felt he genuinely hadnt been made aware that the game had started. Is he the only offender?Korts wrote:I don't follow your logic. He hasn't been prodded because it hasn't been 72 hours since the game started. I'll wait for the first prod to see whether his lurking is intentional.
This is a stance i can appreciate, but you are still FUNDAMENTALLY wrong. By 'overvoting' as you call it, my vote no longer represents anything YOU want it to, it represents what I want it to. It represents suspicion against someone. A vote cast at this stage shouldnt be immovable-i want to be able to look back at my votes, and get a good idea of who has been the scummiest in the game. My votes carry a significance, but you have to consider them ALL together, whereas you seem to want to draw conclusions from a very small minority of them.Guardian wrote: BM, I fundamentally disagree that your vote hopping is helpful. By over-voting your rob your votes of any meaning. They do not express who you are most suspicious of, they do not intimidate those who you are voting, etc. When you just voted me, I thought to myself "oh well, but he will probably change that in a few pages." It took exactly one post :\. Your votes are meaningless if you continue in this fashion.
Right. So you're saying DGB genuinely believes that the people she has named as scum are scum, and those she has named as town are town? I think not. She lies constantly, and unless she starts playing the game honestly, she is completely unreadable, because we cant use interactions or lies as scumtells, because they are all tongue in cheek. You cannot apply normal scumtells to DGB.Guardian wrote: As for "we cannot take anything DGB says seriously..." I fundamentally disagree with that as well. Contrary to popular opinion, I think DGB is always serious. She just uses apparent humor to get things done her way. I was converted to this line of thinking after playing with her in mith's California game #2 and mod-ing her in iPick. She's fun -- but we can look at her play and see motive, logic, etc. there.
I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?roflcopter wrote:oh, also add
sensfan?
to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little
2 words. NULL. TELL.Korts wrote:The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.RR wrote:What makes you read DGB as pro town?
Surely that in itself gives my votes significance?Raging Rabbit wrote: BM - your votes don't mean whatever you want them to, at this point they represent more or less nothing. I'm actually more interested in who youdidn'tyet vote for.
Lol, CALM DOWN DEAR!roflcopter wrote:i don't, and i'm not, but what heBattle Mage wrote:I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?roflcopter wrote:oh, also add
sensfan?
to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little
BMhasadded has been scummy. but well done defending him by trying to undermine the validity of my calling him scummy. thats pretty damn scummy in itself on your part.
bmscum exponentially increases the chances of sensfanscum, and vice versa
vote stands. I'm sorry if you resent the fact that i'll pick apart BS when i see it. Actually, i'm not. And i dont suppose you were one of the people who questionned my town read on CKD?roflcopter wrote:god, i keep pointing out how much scum love to try and undermine other peoples' town reads, and they just keep doing it anyway. it makes them so obvious.Battle Mage wrote:2 words. NULL. TELL.Korts wrote:The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.RR wrote:What makes you read DGB as pro town?
BM
Only if you stop living up to yours! roflmao!Elmo wrote:BM, stop living up to your title.
please continue.Korts wrote:It's all about motives.Battle Mage wrote:2 words. NULL. TELL.Korts wrote:The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.RR wrote:What makes you read DGB as pro town?
BM
Apparently the suspicion came without a suspicion attached. lolroflcopter wrote:you seem to be the one who is panicking, chainsaw defending sens against a suspicion that didn't even come with a vote attached.Battle Mage wrote:Lol, CALM DOWN DEAR!roflcopter wrote:i don't, and i'm not, but what heBattle Mage wrote:I thought you didnt want to go on a lurkerhunt?roflcopter wrote:oh, also add
sensfan?
to the bottom of that list. i almost forgot he was even in the game he's added so little
BMhasadded has been scummy. but well done defending him by trying to undermine the validity of my calling him scummy. thats pretty damn scummy in itself on your part.
bmscum exponentially increases the chances of sensfanscum, and vice versa
You said you didnt want to string up a lurker because you already had a good suspect. Then you suggest a lurker, and offer no reasoning other than 'hes a lurker'. What else do you expect me to think?
Unvote, Vote: Roflcopter
You seem panicked.
BM
because his reasons are wrong. Imo, he is wrong. If Player A says Player B is town with no valid reasoning, I'll attack Player A for it. Town should try and be honest, and not allow the game to be swamped by bs.roflcopter wrote:i disagree with your town read on ckd, but i didn't try to call into question your reasons for believing ckd to be town, as you're doing with korts' reasons for believing dgb is town.Battle Mage wrote:vote stands. I'm sorry if you resent the fact that i'll pick apart BS when i see it. Actually, i'm not. And i dont suppose you were one of the people who questionned my town read on CKD?roflcopter wrote:god, i keep pointing out how much scum love to try and undermine other peoples' town reads, and they just keep doing it anyway. it makes them so obvious.Battle Mage wrote:2 words. NULL. TELL.Korts wrote:The fact that she actively pursues her suspicions.RR wrote:What makes you read DGB as pro town?
BM
BM
If i'm a Jester, i'm not scum. But yes, i am a little curious as to how Elmo knows that me and Guardian are town.roflcopter wrote:literally minutes ago you gave BM an X on my scum list, as in "you are incorrect about BM being scum."Elmo wrote:BM, stop living up to your title.
then you should be voting for me. And rather than bitching about the fact i made a criticism, you should bitch about the fact it was invalid. THEN you might be taken seriously by people. (not me though. )roflcopter wrote:i don't think your criticism was either honest or correct
the alternative being? You think as scum, DGB would claim a list of scumbags and not pursue them?Korts wrote:Let me clarify, then, BM. DGB's actions (other than the slight but very obvious buddying up to rofl and des) have been pro-town because she actively pursued her suspicions, which is something that I'd expect at this game state from a pro-town player trying to get a rise out of scum.
roflcopter wrote:stop trying to get my vote off your scumpartner ckd