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Why are you avoiding a vote? that's not like you.
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In post 32, elusive wrote:In post 27, Aeronaut wrote:It's because wake is a house alt
It (The House who's user name is House) say's its not an alt or I think that's against the rules or something unless its a hydra I guess? Then though they wouldn't have separate accounts, would they?
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In post 34, Boonskiies wrote:In post 32, elusive wrote:In post 27, Aeronaut wrote:It's because wake is a house alt
It (The House who's user name is House) say's its not an alt or I think that's against the rules or something unless its a hydra I guess? Then though they wouldn't have separate accounts, would they?
Also, Cheetory6's programming thing is kind of funny. If I have time I will try to debug
They are different people, completely unrelated. I've met House. People just get him confused with Wake, so it's funny to say he's a Wake alt.
Also, this playerlist! I like it!
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In post 63, acryon wrote:In post 62, SilverWolf wrote:I'm hungry for a candy bar right now................................
Would you say you couldkill for one?
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For me as town, I tend second guess myself too much; I always assume I'm wrong and vote with the crowd, when I should have gone with my gut.
As scum, I have a lot of trouble when the game gets that awkward point where the only scummy people are the ones aligned with you; I usually freak out and choke, and then get lynched. It's a vicious cycle.
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In post 101, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 96, Aeronaut wrote:Ok. Let's generate discussion
@Everyone: what's the biggest flaw in your towngame? Your scumgame?
Weird fact: I usually draw Scum when I have the flu.
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In post 112, Wake1 wrote:
The point in 24 whereSilverwolfasks why I don't want to vote when I actually said I'll reserve my vote for now... feels off. Slight difference there. I do want to vote, but I'd prefer to be reserved with it. Something about Scum-Belisarius trying to get me to vote on a mislynch.
Vote reservation's part of my meta.
It's really
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Or, not in the games I've played with you.
I will say that besides that, asking a lot of questions at the beginning of the game is typical wake meta.
Got my peepers on you.
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I haven't played with scum-silver except for The Game Which Shall Not Be Named, which honestly is hard to get any sort of read off of. I think this seems pretty indicative of townie-SW so far.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 146, SilverWolf wrote:In post 142, Aeronaut wrote:I haven't played with scum-silver except for The Game Which Shall Not Be Named, which honestly is hard to get any sort of read off of. I think this seems pretty indicative of townie-SW so far.
I wasn't scum in that game. I was town who sacrificed myself for the greater good. BTW, I'm totally sorry I gave a gun to townie who shot you and you were town!!
Let's just pretend that never happened.
Oh yea. Me not even remembering your alignment shows how much I was actually paying attention that game.
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Yea. Shinobi is kind of eh this game. While I support a little pressure, they're trying too hard I feel :/
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In post 154, Cheetory6 wrote:Is Shinobi a Thor alt?
I'm getting nightmares of my first game on this site.
He was in my first game too. I needed a stress ball.
I'm wary of people being so confident in meta this early on in the game
Has Silver really said enough at this point for the three of you to be so confident in her being town? Is what I'm reading as forced tone come across as playstyle or what?
Also, when's the last time that the three of you have played with her?
Are you saying SW has forced tone, or we do?
Idk, her tone feels genuine for now, to me, as well as similar to town games I've played with her. I've played the game I linked with her and I think another one
In post 155, dragonspawn wrote:In post 154, Cheetory6 wrote:Is Shinobi a Thor alt?
I'm getting nightmares of my first game on this site.
I'm wary of people being so confident in meta this early on in the game
Has Silver really said enough at this point for the three of you to be so confident in her being town? Is what I'm reading as forced tone come across as playstyle or what?
Also, when's the last time that the three of you have played with her?
playing another game with her right now. Though it started an hour ago and she hasn't said anything there yet.
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In post 175, Shinobi wrote:Oh.
No, it's not necessarily a "crusade" against TSO for not doing a thing; rather, he's a player I'm intending to focus on during this day. I've played with him three times and townread him in every game I played with him. He was mafia in two of those games. I have absolutely no idea how to read him properly so I want to start pressuring him out of the gate to see what he does when the spotlight on him early.
Sure, his not posting while he should be posting bothers me, but that's not why I'm doing what I'm doing. If this is how you intend to handle my TSO pressure, then I'm perfectly okay with that.
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In post 184, Shinobi wrote:In post 180, Aeronaut wrote:Eh, you can check, I've never played a game with him.
He still hasn't commented on that post, either. But of course, neither have I
Yes I have.
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In post 187, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 185, SilverWolf wrote:In post 182, Aeronaut wrote:If you shoot a Vampire with a silverwolf it dies
Oh that's right. I have Silver in my name. I have nothing to fear then.
That's an old myth too. It's lead and cheap jewelry that I need to watch out for.
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In post 188, Shinobi wrote:In post 168, Shinobi wrote:Because, uh, it looks okay and I can see how you think those things.
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In post 205, FakedBlogger wrote:
Biggest flaw in scumgames:
Endgaming is not my forte. I lack stamina because I have to wear an itchy townsuit and my balls start to sweat.
This is the most accurate thing I've ever read.
In post 208, Wake1 wrote:One thing I deal with, due to past foolish actions, is Scum trying to bank on me to win them the game.
I mean, we could also talk about the Other[/url Game Which Shall Not Be Named, in which I killed more scum as the SK than you did as the Vig...
See, you and I do the same thing, where we join like five games at a time, even though we know we could barely manage one; It's like an addiction.
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I think it's very possible T S O forgot this game existed, tbh. It's a very T S O thing to do
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In post 240, House wrote:In post 236, T S O wrote:In post 232, House wrote:In post 229, T S O wrote:In post 225, dragonspawn wrote:In post 223, T S O wrote:I forgot this game existed. My men, I'll forgive you by personally digging the graves for the dead bodies of scum after I lead the charge in hanging them.
Let's get down to business.
and whose grave are you starting with?
Errr, SilverWolf? I haven't seen much yet leaping out as scum to me, but I think my wagon is mainly composed of town, albeit derptown.
Silverwolf is townier than you are by 50 yalms, brah.
Is this a "Silver is my friend/acquaintance therefore town" read, a "you said Silver's scum, so now I'm gonna call Silver town" read or an actual townread on Silver? If it's the first two, I don't really want to know. If it's the last, feel free to tell me why.
The first two don't hurt, but no... it's the third.
Anyone that is familiar with SilverWolf can tell when she's playing her town game. She's actively feeling players out, looking for input, and basically just being her usual townie self. Scum Wolfie is not nearly as inquisitive, she's more lurky & manipulative.
Yes, she's that easy to read. Check her meta if you don't believe me (I wouldn't believe me, either... so check her meta).
I don't necessarily agree with this. Yes, scum SW is differentish, but now that we've all gone and talked about it for three pages, it's nullish.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 253, SilverWolf wrote:I don't especially like TSO's entrance into this game at all and I'm perfectly fine with my vote where it is.
What don't you like about it?
@Boonskies, It kind of looks to me like you're just trying to make itlooklike you're contributing something useful, especially after Town!Boon in that same game was so very nonchalant.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 324, SilverWolf wrote:In post 322, Wake1 wrote:
Paranoia is sort of justified in Mafia, when you actually do have people in your group that want to deceive and murder you, so...
And as was said before, Scum-Belisarius is just one example of Scum trying to get me to mislynch someone. *Can provide links.
Who would you vote for if you had to right now?
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In post 335, Wake1 wrote:In post 324, SilverWolf wrote:In post 322, Wake1 wrote:
Paranoia is sort of justified in Mafia, when you actually do have people in your group that want to deceive and murder you, so...
And as was said before, Scum-Belisarius is just one example of Scum trying to get me to mislynch someone. *Can provide links.
Who would you vote for if you had to right now?
Not sure.
We have limited knowledge,and I can already see the kvetching from various sorts no matter who I voteand I would rather vote when I feel good about it. The game just started. What is the justification for voting someone currently, when we have barely had enough discussion to warrant votes based on analysis and reads?
Who wouldyouvote for, and why? Is it based on knowledge, guesswork, feeling, or a combination of the three? We don't have workable knowledge, because no deaths or claims have occurred. Guesswork and feeling is rampant, and more often than not, incorrect. You ask me who I would vote for right now, and I say I simply don't know, because I don't, and if that is not good enough for you then there is not much else I can tell you at the moment, because my life does not revolve around this awesomely complex game.
I do have initial feelings regarding certain players, but you practically demand that I vote yet will undoubtedly scoff at the feelings behind the reasoning for said vote. You probably want me to vote in order to pick apart and attack it, which in itself is disingenuous, and further makes me want to choose my actions wisely, because I like to have solid reasoning behind each and every one of my actions in general. If I felt your intentions were honest, that you wanted to know who I'd vote for without also planning to attack it, I'd be more inclined to do so.
Who would I vote for right now? I don't know, and I am perfectly fine with that.
Alright. I'm going to say it; this sort of looks to me like you intentionally trying to say a lot without saying much. You've just written a paragraph on why you don't want to give solid opinions. You're purposely not showing your angles, but letting everyone else show theirs.
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In post 349, vikingfan wrote:holy cow, I leave for a day and 5 new pages explode. Will take a look and post after work tomorrow, I'm sure several more pages will be up by then.
You leave for a day, you really should be expecting ten pages.
In post 351, House wrote:In post 345, Wake1 wrote:In post 343, SilverWolf wrote:In post 335, Wake1 wrote:
I do have initial feelings regarding certain players, but you practically demand that I vote yet will undoubtedly scoff at the feelings behind the reasoning for said vote. You probably want me to vote in order to pick apart and attack it, which in itself is disingenuous, and further makes me want to choose my actions wisely, because I like to have solid reasoning behind each and every one of my actions in general. If I felt your intentions were honest, that you wanted to know who I'd vote for without also planning to attack it, I'd be more inclined to do so.
WTF is up with this? I don't even know what to say to this. You don't want anyone to question your vote? I wasn't planning on attacking you Wake.
TSO picked apart my vote on him twice and said he didn't like it. Cheetory didn't like the tone of some of my posts and said so. Do you see me freaking out and squeezing a stress ball in the corner? Well, if I was squeezing a stress ball you wouldn't see it but just visualize it Wake.
I'm not sure what this is all about. I want to say townie paranoia but I'm not wanting to townread this behavior or call it scummy. Maybe just null for now and keep an eye on it.
You have it completely wrong.
If I get into this game, it will create chaos. If I start to move things and stir the waters, things will happen. By nature I am a catalyst. Taking off these restraints and seeing to it that things happen in this game may cause some to not want to play with my style. It may sound self-aggrandizing to you, but it isn't, but the truth, and is both an immense strength and an immense weakness. I can be a very powerful player, but I can't really play if I turn some players off because of it.
There is no paranoia. There's only the restrained yet fearless desire to pierce through everything and everyone in order to pull out the truth. You stab at things to see how they bleed in Mafia. Some people don't like being aggressively interrogated. I'm not stressed at all. I don't want to seem to over-powering, because it's not fun having few to play with (we're not talking trolling or uncivil behavior: just being a strong-willed personality).
I can buy that, but the answer isn't to withdraw from the game. Otherwise, why play at all?
By turning into a passive participant, you're also depriving town of your abilities. When players are aware of your capabilities and not seeing it, that can come across as scum play.
@House,having played with Wake quite a bit, do you think this is odd behavior, or out of the norm?
In post 357, Jared615 wrote:Sorry if I'm being a bit lazy this game.
yes I bandwagoned TSO.
I really do need to do some more reading.
This is worse than Viking's, IMO. self aware, excuses. Difference between you and T S O is that TSO just is lazy and doesn't give a shit who knows, but you feel the need to come in, apologize for it, and keep your town standing as someone who will (eventually) participate.
FOS: Jared
In post 369, FakedBlogger wrote:You should be more careful
I've got to say, the whole interaction between House / NJ seemed a little bit odd to me. The above quote could be a joke, but sort of strikes me otherwise. Sort of a gut feeling, there.
In post 377, House wrote:Okay, so maybe I *am* a little paranoid because that's theonly experience I have with him.
This is a false statement. We've played in multiple games together. Why are you using it to justify your vote?
In post 405, dragonspawn wrote:In post 402, pisskop wrote:the
So it's scummy for a pressure vote on a suspected scum now? Because I said it was for pressure?
You must be really pushing to vote for the people who were on the tso wagon then.
I already told youViking was a gut call. There are plenty of reasons to vote for him at this point.My reason is trusting my instincts
Yea..... no.
VOTE: Dragon
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In post 423, Shinobi wrote:@Cheetory: I'm not sure. I feel like I'd like a bit more out of him because his current lack of activity bothers me, and the way he consulted his wagon was pretty much exactly how I would handle it if I were scum. Someone of his townreads seemed very empty. I don't feel particularly satisfied by what I've received, especially since I know he's going to read me as town either way because I know that he knows it sates me.
The only other person I would consider switching to would be acryon, for his #401. It felt like mafia trying to egg on bad analysis, especially since he didn't really seem to follow it up with anything.
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In post 427, Shinobi wrote:In post 425, Aeronaut wrote:In post 423, Shinobi wrote:@Cheetory: I'm not sure. I feel like I'd like a bit more out of him because his current lack of activity bothers me, and the way he consulted his wagon was pretty much exactly how I would handle it if I were scum. Someone of his townreads seemed very empty. I don't feel particularly satisfied by what I've received, especially since I know he's going to read me as town either way because I know that he knows it sates me.
The only other person I would consider switching to would be acryon, for his #401. It felt like mafia trying to egg on bad analysis, especially since he didn't really seem to follow it up with anything.
Wouldn't you also scumread boon for giving said bad analysis?
No?
:/ That doesn't make a lot of sense.
In post 453, SilverWolf wrote:In post 451, Aeronaut wrote:Could you like a game where that happened?
I think she's talking about offsite, we tend to lynch him early.
So is this common behavior for him, then?
I've never played with this guy before, but there's a few reasons I think he's worse than VikingFan right now. For one, look at this post:
In post 393, dragonspawn wrote:
Looks like the Viking wagon id picking up. As he is one of my gut scum reads at the moment in going to jump on and see if more pressure will shake something free from him.dragonspawn wrote:In post 363, House wrote:I suppose that's possible, I found more meaning in the content of his post than the subject of it.
you are being way too friendly this game house.
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VOTE: viking
This is NOT a good jump. He joins the growing wagon because 1. "It's picking up", and 2. It just so happens to be one his gut-scumreads all of a sudden. That pings for me.
The thing that's more bothersome to me is him defending himself once his wagon forms; it simply sounds like someone tryingvery hardto be calm and collected, to keep making jokes under pressure, etc. It doesn't seem like a natural progression to me, just that he's inserting things all over to make him look less nervious. It's fabricated.
And, to be honest, I'm not exactly townreading Viking. However, I feel like some of the reasons being used on his wagon could be applied to a lot of players in the game. I'd be willing to look at him Day 2, though, and you can hold me to that if you like. I won't be voting him today, though.
I also have this slight paranoia about the first real wagon formed in a game this large; I feel like it's almost always scum motivated. That's more my own paranoia, though.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 454, acryon wrote:
In post 452, SilverWolf wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out why he's scummier than vikingfan.......................
Yeah, he isn't.
So looking at the votes:
Aero adds to dragon for the same reason as Boon and pisskop
Giving us the following VC for those two (pretty sure):
vikingfan: acryon, SilverWolf, dragonspawn, Grib, Klingon, House, Kitz [L-4]
Dragonspawn: Boonskiies, Pisskop, Aeronaut, vikingfan, Nakedjogger [L-6]
The dragonspawn wagon certainly smells like a counterwagon to a scum wagon. If it is, I suspect Aeronaut the most on the counterwagon (and of course vikingfan). Came in third on the wagon only after it clearly had a little traction and just sheeped Boon's reasoning (which isn't bad in and of itself, but it's hard to tell if Aero had his own reasons).
My reasoning was entirely different from Boon's, actually. It was about gut reads, but Boon was concerned with Dragon's post 393, While I was was concerned with Post 405, which came after Boon's original vote and posting. My reasoning was that the way he worded it; that he we was trying to pass Viking off as a gut read, but in the same sentence, was talking about how there's lots of other reasons to vote him. Why call it a gut read, then? It just looks like he's trying to give reasoning without giving reasoning, which is a huge scumtell in my opinion.2023 W/L | 1-0