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You think I was going to hammer you then?In post 50, Wisdom wrote:So Matt, if you were willing to hammer me, why don't you vote me?SlappyKrust-
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I'm simply surprised you didn't consider it being a lie
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Righty-oIn post 59, Wisdom wrote:Maybe I did
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Content wise, you could've waited for one or two more bad postsIn post 71, pirate mollie wrote:its been an hour
@Nacho: I didn't say I have a scum read on youSlappyKrust-
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I have no idea how you're reading my postsIn post 77, Nachomamma8 wrote: I thought you were using mollie's interactions with me in order to read me. You not using them to read me at all is incredibly disappointingSlappyKrust-
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Oh, now I'm interested! What was this theoryIn post 131, Malakittens wrote:My theory about MattP has totally been proven wrong so scratch any type of read I may or may not have had on him.SlappyKrust-
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You could have coupled that question with a vote, yes?In post 159, Wisdom wrote:Why are you trying to discredit mollie's read?SlappyKrust-
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Well I'm not gonna try to dissuade you, I'll let the duck quack for itself.In post 161, Wisdom wrote:I could, if I felt he was scummier than mala.SlappyKrust-
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I think I would find it more helpful if you reminded me why he's not scum so that I had something concrete to reference in my response.In post 313, Whiskers wrote:Also, does anybody want to remind me why shos is scum?SlappyKrust-
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Oh, well I think he sounds like scum. That's probably where we disagree. It's his melodrama of his tone and fixation on inconsequential, theoretical arguments more so than the quantity of his text during his catchup.
But it's ok, sooner or later he'll probably accidentally post his scum role PM on the thread or something and we can all lynch him without much of a discussion.SlappyKrust-
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Oh, I'm sorry for giving the impression that I don't like shos much. I think he's a very nice guy. He just drew scum. Regardless, I have no possible way of comparing you with shos in any form because you're both two unique lil snowflakes in a winter wonderlandIn post 317, Whiskers wrote:
Erp-- you probably don't like me much here then either, do you?In post 316, MattP wrote:Oh, well I think he sounds like scum. That's probably where we disagree. It's his melodrama of his tone and fixation on inconsequential, theoretical arguments more so than the quantity of his text during his catchup.SlappyKrust-
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I never said that I'm reading shos this way because I know shos's prior play. I don't remember anything about his prior play. What I'm saying is that the way he's posted in THIS game with NOTHING else to reference is scummy. I am further saying that you asking me to somehow make my assessment mathematical and foolproof and use it to additionally incriminate you is ridiculous since there's no way I can state that something that shos is doing is in ALL situations scummy or that what he is doing is scummy in essence disregarding tone or the uniqueness of his posts. You are not posting verbatim the words he is posting so you can't ask me to compare your posts word for word to his.In post 320, Whiskers wrote:I didn't mean it like that-- I mean that you must think I'm scum, since your description of shos's play-- what you claim makes him scummy-- pretty much exactly describes my.... ME.
Also... Is this some new thing where every player has individual tells and nothing else matters? Like, when there's a new player, you all dance around shrugging violently, unable to read them at all? I'm not sure I like that-- I'm not going to be able to take your word for it, that shos is scummy for the "melodrama of his tone and fixation on inconsequential, theoretical arguments," if none of it also makes ME scummy.
I won't be able to take anything any one of you says seriously, in fact.
What I'm seeing, with the Nacho-Wisdom bit from before, and now with the MattP-shos bit:Player 1 wrote:Whoa! Malakittens is totally [ALIGNMENT] because she's a cat!Whiskers wrote:Oh man, you must thinkI'm[ALIGNMENT] too, then, since I'm also a cat.Player 1 wrote:Oh, by no means. It's only applicable when Malakittens does it.
I additionally never stated that you are a scum or town read to me, I am saying that you trying to make me compare yourself and shos on a certain checklist is impossible. That is it. Shos is scum because his posts are scummy. If you would like me to somehow articulate the reason into words, I would best describe the reason as "melodrama and inconsequential theoretical arguments". The ACTUAL reason is that his posts are scummy. Pigeonholing my reasons into discrete categories opens the room for the type of responses that you made to my post, which is why this never should have happened. Why don't you wait for Shos to post his scum role PM by mistake in the thread like I suggested earlier.SlappyKrust-
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My reads so far nearly mirror Mala's
Town:
Malakittens
Wisdom
Pirate Mollie
ArcAngel
NachoMomma
MattP
Whiskers
Eh or hasn't posted:
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Ooba
Desperado
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Shos
Grimgroove
Pedit: This is still just page 8. I really would love to believe Desperado is town but I'm trying to not get ahead of myself.SlappyKrust-
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Well also btw Grimgroove scumslipped so we have GG and Shos as scumIn post 244, Grimgroove wrote:I don't understand the penguin-votes from the previous page.
Townreads are coming in. shos is not one of them.
TOWN:
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Pirate Mollie
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MattP
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Mirari
PROBABLY TOWN BUT NEEDS TO STOP THE PIC THING REGARDLESS OF ITS ENTERTAINMENT FACTOR:
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In post 244, Grimgroove wrote:I don't understand the penguin-votes from the previous page.
Townreads are coming in.shos is not one of them.In post 321, Grimgroove wrote: I'm not liking MattP as town much either.
My partial agreement with shos' readslist (don't see the Mirari-scum though) makes me read him as town even moreso,though his catch-ups reminded me heavily of shos-town already(so this is not simply an OMGUR).SlappyKrust-
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1) Shos posts a catchup postIn post 375, Wisdom wrote:Well, he did say that his first catchup made him think shos is scum and the later ones changed his mind.
2) GG says Shos is not a townread
3) GG makes a post that has nothing to do with shos and shos posts another catchup and a reads list
4) You ask GG what he likes about Shos
5) GG says he likes the content of Shos's catchup posts and at best the idea of catching up could be seen as null BUT the CONTENT is towny
I don't see the part where GG says that Shos's content prior to
Is not townyIn post 244, Grimgroove wrote:I don't understand the penguin-votes from the previous page.
Townreads are coming in. shos is not one of them.SlappyKrust-
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And now that I've made this more complicated than it needs to be, in a nutshell please just refer to this to see the lie from GrimGroove
In post 374, MattP wrote:In post 244, Grimgroove wrote:I don't understand the penguin-votes from the previous page.
Townreads are coming in.shos is not one of them.In post 321, Grimgroove wrote: I'm not liking MattP as town much either.
My partial agreement with shos' readslist (don't see the Mirari-scum though) makes me read him as town even moreso,though his catch-ups reminded me heavily of shos-town already(so this is not simply an OMGUR).SlappyKrust-
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That's fine, the game would have been less fun if he made such a stupid scumslip anyway. [:In post 384, Wisdom wrote:
^In post 324, Grimgroove wrote:That was earlier when I didn't like his first catch-up, especially him asking me to explain something I already had explained, which gave me the impression he was pretending to follow. I didn't realize he was slowly going through the topic from the beginning and hadn't read myexplanation yet. Now I've got a slight townread on him, liked his latest catch-ups and reads.
Here, this is the answer to my "You said you're not townreading shos. Are you scumreading him?"
Pedit: Shos, I can't be bothered with explaining all of my reads. I'm too busy reading your huge catchup walls and figuring out how to make my "eighth" post of the game. Oh, there, I did it!SlappyKrust-
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It's so much being flaunted in our faces that it could only serve as WIFOM, should shos (especially) or GG be scum. Therefore, I would just disregard it. I still think GG is scum for his reads and there's a slight issue I have with his tone in general that I couldn't be bothered to expand upon. However, I don't think he's a smart lynch today and if he is town he'll eventually, hopefully prove to be useful.In post 391, Wisdom wrote:ok maybe it's on purpose
I'm so bad at explaining reads, and once again I'm pigeonholing. Nacho is snarky and unguarded. He's just doing what he wants and not worrying about what other people think, but additionally there's something going on in his mind, so he's both actively "thinking" and "doing".In post 394, Wisdom wrote:Matt, why do you think Arc and Nacho are town?
ArcAngel is just ArcAngel, when she's scum she's like the town version but the major difference is that if I got a scum-Arcangel for Christmas I'd return it IMMEDIATELY and if I got a town-ArcAngel for Christmas I'd have initial reservations but I'd end up loving it in the end? ._.SlappyKrust-
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It's ok, I'll forgive you [: We all make mistakesIn post 401, Whiskers wrote:And while I'm sure it'll come back to bite me in the arse, when shos eventually flips scum, I'm not comfortable lynching him right now.
Pedit: Now now Shos, I have plenty of time to explain my reads to my townreads, just not you.SlappyKrust-
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I know you never voted PM, whiskers. I also know Mala never voted Wisdom. Sorry for the confusing syntax!
I'm quite dismayed that you're overlooking certain posts I made as trash when they were actually scumhunting, like my early interaction with wisdom, and my minor aggression towards nacho to scope out his behavior towards me. This whole game I've been slowly building a read base while staying back a bit because I think my old early game strategy of being over-involved was obnoxious and unproductive. I'm quite confident about my reads and think that this strategy was better.SlappyKrust-
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This confusion was cleared up later between myself and Wisdom.In post 424, Mirari wrote:
How is it a scum slip? My opinion was that it was a preemptive announcement. Finally you realize I am town. What can I do to convince you ooba is town?In post 373, MattP wrote:Well also btw Grimgroove scumslipped so we have GG and Shos as scum
I'm with you on the penguin scum read. Why is her vote still on me? She has forgotten about her vote.
I am pretty certain Ooba is town, as I said prior. I am LESS certain than I could be if he stopped using pictures and wrote more text. He'll eventually do this and within the next few RL days I'll settle my feelings. I don't really need convincing as of this moment.
I don't have Penguin as a scumread, I have him as "Eh" along with Desperado. Grim and Shos are my scumreads.SlappyKrust-
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(however 427 makes me read P_A as scum. I think given a Grim/Penguin/Shos scumteam, where all three are in the spotlight, it's not unworldly that they would all mass buddy to try to get themselves out of such a ridiculously dire situation on page 18 of the game. Regardless, Shos is the only player I would lynch today, and I can worry more about relational tells tomorrow.)SlappyKrust-
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It seems that a strange rift has formed between one group of people (Shos, Grim, Whiskers, Penguin) and another (everyone else) where the former is scumreading Mala, myself, and Wisdom; and the latter is scumreading Shos (and to varying degrees Penguin, Whiskers and Grim). There is essentially no fluidity between the reads of these two groups, aka there is no single person that scumreads BOTH someone from [Mala, MattP, Wisdom] and [Penguin, Whiskers, Grim, Shos].
Very strange, slightly unsettling. Potentially a great thing.
Pedit: Nacho has sheeped me before, and I thought he was scum that game, and he was town.SlappyKrust-
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It doesn't matter if you're scum, you're not getting lynched today anyway, specifically because you will be useful if town. I don't care if you're screaming at Shos in your Mafia QT (or maybe you don't have daytalk! Gotta avoid "scumslipping" about mechanic knowledge or Whiskers may Mr. Literal me) and backpedaling all of the damage he did while you were gone, or if you genuinely are town and realize you had a bad read. You have plenty of time to fix it.
I don't like how you just approached the obvscum Shos in this situation. I, simultaneously, get that being wrong about a read and being fucked over by buddying in the process is awkward to navigate around as town. Just come back to be the GrimGroove I know & love, and the damage will be controlled [:SlappyKrust-
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Yes, why?In post 444, Mirari wrote:Matt, is it odd that a pseudo-bloc has formed this quickly?SlappyKrust-
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Ty for choosing one miniscule, inconsequential, snarky post of mine to make a point.In post 447, Whiskers wrote:
Wow. Much content. So quality.In post 312, MattP wrote:
Well, because you're mafiaIn post 300, shos wrote:@Matt, why are you voting me?
Yes, I wasn't being literal with either point. You're very literal. We continue in this limbo. I don't see the point you're trying to make here.In post 448, Whiskers wrote:
Says the guy who told me to wait for shos to post his scum role PM.In post 438, MattP wrote:(or maybe you don't have daytalk! Gotta avoid "scumslipping" about mechanic knowledge or Whiskers may Mr. Literal me)
Or, wait, was that a joke? Sorry. Figured it must be another "reaction test".SlappyKrust-
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The irrational fear where you flip town and this entire time scum has been laughing their asses off. But it's ok, I think I was being too concrete about my read on you, and I think I'll try to give it a more objective read in the morning. [:
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There have been a lot of very beautiful games where Kanye and I are town and immediately buddied each other hardcore because we knew, because we could read each other well and relied on that ability. People got very butthurt and called us scum. We were both town. I can provide links.
I'm reading Wisdom well. I know he's town. In fact, he's my strongest townread. He's reading me well. That's great. That's going to cause huge overlapping of reads and in-thread mason-like discussion. It happens, and it's not exclusive or selfish or scummy, having someone you can trust is very powerful. Us working together like this, even if you think we're gaining nothing from it, is astronomically beneficial. We will never lynch each other and we will defend the other hardcore, and that will prevent a mislynch we are both positive of. Anyone being annoying and bullying us for that is more likely scum trying to damage a strong town-town alliance than paranoid town trying to break apart supposed buddying.SlappyKrust-
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I have no idea what you're asking here. All of my posts had meaning this entire game, sans posts where I was patting myself on the back or being snarky. My initial conversation with Wisdom was me trying to get a read on him. Similarly, my first conversation with Nacho was me trying to read him. I know Nacho well, and I got my read quickly. Wisdom was doing enough on his own, and in my convo with him, to demonstrate his alliance. I don't see how this is so confusing or deserves discussion. What is so damn wrong with us town-reading each other?In post 516, shos wrote:it sure sounds like it, tho.
for example, that first example that you gave - the 'reaction test'. well. firstly, I'm like 99% sure that this was not a reaction test, and rather it was just a bullshit lie matt was saying which is perfectly fine because that's what people say in RVS.Matt - was it planned to be a reaction test or not?-to confirm. then, you say that you called the RT, and pretended to not know that this is a reaction test. that sounds the most fake you can say EVER. that's really not even close.SlappyKrust-
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@Shos in 533: I thought your 517 was fake and frenetic, but I was already voting you and I ignored it because enough other interesting shit is happening in the thread right now that I didn't feel like beating a dead horse.
@Whiskers: You're not the ONLY player attacking wisdom and me. In your very special, specific case I think you're just a less focused version of Thor and I give you special exceptions for your antagonistic behaviors.SlappyKrust-
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Whiskers, if you DON'T have a scumread on me why aren't you trying to work with me? I think I'm a pretty rational guy. It seems that if you just stopped throwing insults and snark at me and tried being cooperative it would make a whole lot more sense. Your antagonism towards nearly every player in the game is irrationally unproductive.SlappyKrust-
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Except instead of ignoring it he turned it around back on me by asking ME a question so that I was in the spotlight? And then I asked HIM a question about his question? And so on for a few posts. And the amazing this is that within five minutes we both had townreads on each other! Call that effective!In post 546, Whiskers wrote:Idk, RVS bullshit. And if it was a reaction test-- and you recognized it as one-- I'm pretty sure the townie thing to do would be to ignore it, rather than carefully crafting your reaction to paint you in a townie light. But that's nothing I'd call you scum for. Especially considering the way it fizzled out without going anywhere...
I literally can't wait until we're both revealed to be townSlappyKrust-
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I was saying something extreme to get a response from someone in the game, yes. The expected response would be someone calling me out, in which case I intended to turn it back around and try to trap the player. It was easy bait, and stupid bait. It was me saying I would hammer someone carelessly so someone would go "That's dumb!" and then I'd go "You're dumb for believing it" and then see if the person squirmed. Wisdom did the first part, I employed the second expecting squirming, and he then made me realize that he was doing the same thing to me. He was baiting with a lie and trying to catch me too. He was trying to pressure me into saying something stupid, and it was a step ahead of what I was doing. I thought he was town for it and I moved on. Within the next few pages he ultra-confirmed his alignment anyway.In post 547, shos wrote:In post 516, shos wrote:it sure sounds like it, tho.
for example, that first example that you gave - the 'reaction test'. well. firstly, I'm like 99% sure that this was not a reaction test, and rather it was just a bullshit lie matt was saying which is perfectly fine because that's what people say in RVS.Matt - was it planned to be a reaction test or not?-to confirm. then, you say that you called the RT, and pretended to not know that this is a reaction test. that sounds the most fake you can say EVER. that's really not even close.In post 522, shos wrote:You misunderstood. I asked if post 23 was a planned reaction test or not. Plain and simple.MATT
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Well those were more similar situations to the one with GrimGroove, not Whiskers. Whiskers is similar to how I reached out to Tierce and Tammy at points in War is Hell and that Empire game I was in with Nacho (regarding Tammy). Once again I can think of more examples.
It's pretty protown to try to reduce town havoc so I don't get why that would "freak you out"SlappyKrust-
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It would be funny if Nacho just scumslipped in the fashion I was harking GG for prior.In post 579, Nachomamma8 wrote:namely arc, groove, mirari, ooba.
It seems that "100 page away paranoia" could have occurred a lot sooner than I had imagined
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Pirate, I said I would be taking a different approach this game than in those games, precisely because I was destructive and unfun those games.SlappyKrust-
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Oh, c'mon now!In post 590, Whiskers wrote:If you have someone else's role PM, in addition to your own, that's information that might be useful to the town-- or at least, you should tell us you have, instead of just acting suspicious.
Also, I'm not just ignoring Nacho's potential scumslip because everyone else did.SlappyKrust-
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