Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[Desperado]

I wasn't impressed by Shos' wall. There was very little if any new information as far as I can tell, just a summation of his extended 1v1 with Wisdom.

[ooba]

Matt, your penguin read\lynch push seems disingenuous

First off the case itself seemed pretty overblown but I can live with that:

There's no way you don't see the arguments. You would at WORST understand our point of view but disagree with it. Your stance is so ridiculously unbelievable I am pretty certain that you're just making it up.

Also, you just simultaneously said you don't understand the case on shos and that you haven't followed the game.

VOTE: Penguin_Alien

At

best

I believe you're scum and WKing Shos-town. More likely is that Shos is your buddy and you're trying to shift focus elsewhere while not strongly committing to a Shos townread (I don't see what other's see but I'm also not really following). You also know I just dropped my PM townread and now you're pushing her softly.

Pirate Mollie is town more so than anyone if Penguin flips scum. Shos is probably scum as well.

You reinforce here that Penguin is a good lynch

I think it makes a lot of sense to just lynch Penguin here over Mollie or Shos

But then it changes to track to "let's pressurise penguin to contribute"

How does that make sense?

At least Pirate and Shos give a shit? Penguin is scummy and active lurking, Shos is scummy but providing content, Pirate Mollie is being her typical self that she said she wouldn't be but then slipped into anyway. Relationally Penguin is treating other people bizarrely (i.e. her soft push of Pirate and soft defense of Shos), and Shos has outgrown his Grim buddying years to a respectable degree.

Plus, if we're three days into a game and we have a 2 week deadline and there's not much at this point to get out of Shos from pressure because believe me we've seen it all at the

very least

one can appreciate some Penguin pressure at this point.

Continuing on to the "we can get him to contribute" - your tone has totally changed from the previous let's lynch penguin stance:

I don't know, I think she might be town, especially if mollie isn't.

She said she will post today, let's see.

Penguin either:

a) Doesn't care at all about this game
b) Is scum

I don't like when people get away with "a" for a prolonged period of time. The great thing about it is that we can correct it and immediately get an answer on "b". You can't correct Mollie's attitude as is obvious by this point. You can't correct Whisker's insufferable ability to spoil the fun of a forum game for the majority of the player list and incite destructive discussion. You can't make Shos stop being frenetic. We

can

possibly, hopefully, get Penguin to get invested in the game.

And when the penguin lynch picks up steam with both me and wisdom voting him, you're suddenly paranoid about wisdom?

[Wisdom]

Grim, you're really scum, aren't you? How the fuck would that make anyone conftown?

[Nachomamma8]

he's probably just high and saying weird things wisdom

[Wisdom]

ooba, I disagree. When I told him I'm unsure about lynching penguin, he did say that the least we could do is pressure Penguin so she actually posts something. That indicates that his initial statements towards lynching penguin were also intended to pressure her.

[Desperado]

Wisdom I am so glad that I don't have to walk on egg shells around you this game. It's so much easier when we are both town.

Although you are making it difficult to say anything original

[Wisdom]

Nacho, you usually pick a suspect and push him. I disagree with you and push someone else. In the end, most likely, I sheep you. And most of the time, your suspect will actually be scum and mine town.
That's how it has been for almost all our games.

Where is that now? Who are you pushing? Even your shos vote was sheeping Matt and you are not really trying to push shos, to encourage us to lynch him. You are also not really scumhunting for anyone else. You are very passive and just going with the flow of the game instead of taking initiatives.

Not to mention, I didn't like your defending of me earlier. I expected you to be slightly more paranoid about me. You've never caught me, after all.

[Nachomamma8]

THERE WE GO

[MattP]

Wisdom, why are you trying to make Grim out to be scum?

This is a sincere question

Ooba, if it helps you understand my change in tone a little bit over the past 12, I haven't slept in about 36 hours

[Malakittens]

Can we lynch Peng, please?

[MattP]

You realize that if Shos and Grim are town that there's a lot of stuff that needs to be sorted before we lynch Penguin

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, why are you trying to make Grim out to be scum?

I'm trying to read him.

[Wisdom]

Can we lynch Peng, please?

That's all you have to say?

What happened that strengthed your belief that penguin should be lynched?

What do you think about mollie, about shos, about Nacho, about everything that is happening in this thread?

[MattP]

Wisdom, why are you trying to make Grim out to be scum?

I'm trying to read him.

Sucks to have only one scumread, doesn't it?

[Wisdom]

Yes, and I'm not even confident in that one.

[Desperado]

If Mala is scum then mollie (shitty chair townread) and penguin (designated ML) are both town

Unvote
Vote: Mala

[Wisdom]

And who is scum with Mala in that case?

[Malakittens]

You realize that if Shos and Grim are town that there's a lot of stuff that needs to be sorted before we lynch Penguin

Well; having Peng flipped would give me some information on Shos and Grim. Their excessive buddying is annoying so I doubt they are scum together, but at least one of them is a good chance at being scum.

Peng is just scum to me. I doubt and really doubt she'll flip town. She's just not giving me town vibes at all. Not one little bit.

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Desperado -

I tunnelled on town-Peng in the past and she didn't react like this. THIS IS HER FUCKING SCUM GAME.

[Desperado]

@ Wisdom: Arc (early townread w/ mollie) and someone weird...Mirari?

Mala, I'm seeing the same things you are. I don't think it's her towngame either.

With that said, humans are...human, and she might just be off her towngame.

[MattP]

If Mala is scum and did the "I'm going to replace if you tunnel me" thing to Wisdom at the beginning of the game I'm going to never join another game with her

Speaking of which, for now on whenever I'm in a game and someone does that regardless of alignment I'm never going to join another game with them. It's like essentially gamebreaking and noone really appreciates that

[Grimgroove]

Wisdom, why are you trying to make Grim out to be scum?

I'm trying to read him.

Sucks to have only one scumread, doesn't it?

Wisdom didn't make me out to be scum as far as I can recall. And I'd think I'd recall such a thing Where did he do that?

And what did you mean with your sad face in post 826?

I think your rethorical question is more of the likes of "trying to make someone out to be scum", in this case Wisdom.

[Malakittens]

@ Wisdom: Arc (early townread w/ mollie) and someone weird...Mirari?

Mala, I'm seeing the same things you are. I don't think it's her towngame either.

With that said, humans are...human, and she might just be off her towngame.

This doesn't chive w/ your last post before this.

You are now thinking Peng is a ML and I'm scum.

Get your feelings straight.

[Desperado]

My issue with her threat to replace out is that she was basically crying wolf. Wisdom didn't start tunnelling her until after she whined about him starting to tunnel her.

PEdit: Derp. I said if you are scum then Penguin is a mislynch.

[MattP]

This is a good game, btw. Scum are playing well, really every player sans Penguin is doing a damn good job of appearing town. Simultaneously, town are for the most part remaining calm and letting things take as much time as they need rather than falling apart. I like this. Nice first game back.

[Wisdom]

That's unfair, Matt. My tunneling is known for its toxicity, so warning me to tone it down is fair game, regardless of alignment.

That said, I still don't understand how Mala, whom I have tunneled on when she was town, reacted that way.