Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[Wisdom]

Yeah, yeah, when Wisdom catches scum, let's remind everyone how he's always tunneling to discredit his reads. Good luck with that.

[Wisdom]

I've played with a scum neighborizer before, who actually neighborized me on N1. Can easily be scum.

Scum certainly CAN be neighborizers. Scum have no reason to claim neighborizer day one and pigeonhole themselves to HAVE to then neighborize.

"have to"?
As if neighborizing is something bad. Scum can manipulate someone much more easily in a neighborhood.
Solely the reason you claim out of nowhere and then try to justify how scum wouldn't claim screams caught scum.

[MattP]

Yeah, yeah, when Wisdom catches scum, let's remind everyone how he's always tunneling to discredit his reads. Good luck with that.

Well, let's see:

1) You called me scum because it was illogical for me to feel a certain way. I said I would explain why I logically felt that way and you told me not to explain because I'm scum

2) You just told me that the ONLY reason I could have claimed was to confuse the town

So basically, you're tunelling and incapable currently of using theory of mind.

[MattP]

I've played with a scum neighborizer before, who actually neighborized me on N1. Can easily be scum.

Scum certainly CAN be neighborizers. Scum have no reason to claim neighborizer day one and pigeonhole themselves to HAVE to then neighborize.

"have to"?
As if neighborizing is something bad. Scum can manipulate someone much more easily in a neighborhood.
Solely the reason you claim out of nowhere and then try to justify how scum wouldn't claim screams caught scum.

I was told that scum would do something and I said, "no they wouldn't"

I didn't say "I'm neighborizer AND I'll simultaneously say why scum wouldn't do this!"

Tunneling.

[MattP]

And Grim said, ***

[MattP]

No, I was right the first time, "and I said"**

[Wisdom]

blah blah tunneling blah blah

caught scum is caught

Now let's fucking lynch Mala and Matt back to back

[MattP]

There's one thing I'm proud of, and it's that any scumreads I've had this game (except Shos to a degree) I've been fair too and tried to be rational and talk things through with them rather than be a vitriolic, counterproductive individual. It's a shame to see that you're completely incapable of this at the moment.

[MattP]

blah blah tunneling blah blah

caught scum is caught

Now let's fucking lynch Mala and Matt back to back

This is such a sad, sad post.

[Malakittens]

blah blah tunneling blah blah

caught scum is caught

Now let's fucking lynch Mala and Matt back to back

Nope, not happening. Not in this game you're not.

MattP's claim is interesting, but I believe it.

@Grim:

There's only two goddess I would consider in myth standpoints as "virgins", but this isn't what I'm asking here. Does it tell you are immune to anyhing else or is it just neighborizers?

[Whiskers]

Huuuuungggggh. I'm sitting here moaning reading this post, moaning through all the wrong.
You start off kind of good-- and by good, I mean only "plausible," but then you just fall off a cliff into ridiculous bullshit.
I'm going to be using coloured text within your quote, instead of quote tags, since you rarely quote me back anyway.

Why Mala is scum

• She has ignored posts she should be responding to and only did so after prodded about it or didn't do it at all.
  
  It's not up to you what posts she "should" be responding to. It's her prerogative.
  
  
• She has been focusing on a single player and has done little if any scumhunting. When her one suspect posted, she didn't care about the post until later.
  
  Pretty sure this is incorrect-- The bit about "focusing on a single player." Also, why does it matter that she didn't "care" about the post until later? She was busy. "She

  should

  have cared" with no reason

  WHY

  , is still not a reason.
  
  
• She has repeatedly addressed, pointed out, or generally placed her focus on irrelevant things or things with zero value in regards to finding scum. Notably, some of those things could have some value to appearing less scummy. An example would be "I have to go see the number of the games I have with Nacho and with Wisdom". Nobody cares.
  
  Again, who is deciding what is irrelevant? Also, I'm afraid I can't let you both attack someone for "talking about irrelevant things," & fucking ignore mollie.
  Also, everybody wants to not look scummy. it's not a scumtell.
  
  
• She made a huge deal of my "tunneling" on her in the beginning of the game, back when what I was doing wasn't even remotely resembling a tunnel. She even threatened to replace out. It is completely fake if you consider that I have never tunneled on her before when she was town. I have tunneled on her twice when she was scum.
  
  She made a big deal about how you tunnel and how it's unfun. It was preemptive. It was, "Don't you dare START tunneling me"
  
  Also, completely irrelevant is the fact that you've tunneled her before, and what alignment she is. It is something that YOU are doing, is not a tell on HER. That would be like saying, "I only get do a funny dance when malakittens is town. Look, I'm not doing a funny dance!"
  
  It is not indicative of jack shit.
  
  
  
• Her "I thought MattP is an Actor" thing is out of character for her and looks fake. Imo, this even looks like it was pre-planned by a scumpartner, especially considering Matt's reply to it. But that's speculation. The point is it's fake.
  
  You don't know this, unless you're her scum-partner. "It's fake," I mean.
  Further, I have said it seems a towntell. At least

  one other person

  says it's a town tell. Worst case scenario, it's null, until she comes out and says, "it's fake."
  
  
  
• The reads she has provided do not seem natural. For example, her mollie read is weird. She used something completely null, mollie's chair thing, to enhance her townread on her, which was there since early for no apparent reason, and she has not doubted it at all despite mollie being completely weird and useless.
  
  Pretty sure other people have done this. The chair thing, specifically. Like, "Whoa, mollie posted a chair! That's her town meta!"
  That's seriously just as bad as you saying "Mala's getting tunnelled by me. That's her scum meta."
  
  
  
• Similarities with other Mala-scum games I have witnessed. I went into details about that in a previous post.
  
  One of your strongest points... though it's not saying much. I'm not mudslinging-- I think it's unfortunate that you don't have a whole lot of not-stupid attacks on Mala.
  
  
• There are times that Mala looks like she is not following the game closely, such as her "penguin is scum and you don't want to see it" to me, when I had stated that I am scumreading penguin, but some posts of her like 879(dude he (mattp) took a break) shows she is actually following and picking up even little details like that. Which means that when it looks like she is not following, it's an act.

Actually... another good point.

[Whiskers]

Hmm, hold on. May have been too quick.

I'll put a card on the table too.

I know there is a neighborizer in this game. That's because I'm a "Virgin", making me immune to neighborizations.

Two things that make me wonder:

1. The wiki on neighborizers says they can be of any alignment (though most commonly pro-town)
2. Given my town-status, why would I be "protected" from a neighborization through my modifier if not because the tool is in the hands of a non-town player?

Please discuss.

Huh, I didn't know you were scum!

Grimgroove/shos for possible alternate scummers.

Let me go ahead and answer your question:
You wouldn't be "protected." The fact that you used that word shows that you're trying to twist what's really going on, to put Matt in a bad spot.
Instead, you are "immune" to Neighborization. You can't be Neighborized, no matter how hard we try.

And since I'm in favour of giving town lots of info, let me go ahead and barf onto pile as well;
I am a Neighborizer, also.
Which means that I'm in a good place to judge MattP's claim.
So, MattP. Tell me more about yourself.

[Whiskers]

There's one thing I'm proud of, and it's that any scumreads I've had this game (except Shos to a degree) I've been fair too and tried to be rational and talk things through with them rather than be a vitriolic, counterproductive individual. It's a shame to see that you're completely incapable of this at the moment.

((Also this, we have to give him credit for. I really appreciate this, it's the worst thing in the world to be ignored, especially in Mafia.))

[Grimgroove]

I am a Neighborizer, also.

Wouldn't that constitute a counterclaim?

[Whiskers]

So, Grimgroove/shos, I say for a couple of reasons.
shos' early full-on fellatio of GG
shos' current piggybacking of Wisdom, the most-aggressive of townleaders in this game (And this is really blatant and bad, you guys. Please realize that.)
Grimgroove's piggybacking of Wisdom. This is a little less obvious... or, I guess, "more subtle." Grimgroove is, of course, doing other things and participating in other parts of the game, so it looks less bad. But GG's play has become much more biting in this later portion of Day 1, where it was fairly sweet and mellow in the very beginning of the game. It also seems that he's largely mirroring Wisdom's posts when he can, attacking players Wis is attacking, even if he says he prefers someone else's lynch.

Just pointing out a connection I see, for the other players to be cognisant of.

[Whiskers]

I am a Neighborizer, also.

Wouldn't that constitute a counterclaim?

No.
Go back to Epicmafia.

...
ok seriously though.
It's a fucking theme game. Theme games are by no means balanced, and are just as likely as not to have 10 mafia godfathers with daytalk, sitting around two VTs, cackling with glee.
Or, just as likely as not to have a town entirely made of Docs.
Or Non-Sane cops.
Or, fucking cults.
Or ponies.

Since "neighborizer" isn't an extremely powerful role-- in fact, I'd say there's not a whole hell of a lot of use to be had out of it, unless you KNOW someone is town and they need to speak with YOU, PRIVATELY-- yeah, sure. Throw in six or seven of them.

HOWEVER.
I believe I can make the assumption that his role Neighborizer, and

my

role Neighborizer, will be similar enough-- by which I mean, exactly the same-- that I can prove the validity of his roleclaim. Because, ok, there's no real reason for him to lie; Neighborizer is equally likely to be town or scum, right? But if he's lying scum, then he's lying scum.

[Malakittens]

Part of me wants GG to flavor claim, though.

[Whiskers]

Part of me wants GG to flavor claim, though.

Well yes, certainly.
I'll support this, but the first thing I want, is for Matt to tell me more about his role.

In fact, I'd really prefer it if we didn't have a whole lot more people commenting about this particular topic, until he does that. It'll colour his response.

[Whiskers]

Actually, Mala, sweetie,

Since you're online, you can answer some stuff for me too.

Have you been Neighborized? (By Matt)

Because it seems as though you have. I just want to make sure I fully understand the situation.

[Malakittens]

Actually, Mala, sweetie,

Since you're online, you can answer some stuff for me too.

Have you been Neighborized? (By Matt)

Because it seems as though you have. I just want to make sure I fully understand the situation.

I havent recieved word of it yet.

[Whiskers]

Actually, Mala, sweetie,

Since you're online, you can answer some stuff for me too.

Have you been Neighborized? (By Matt)

Because it seems as though you have. I just want to make sure I fully understand the situation.

I havent recieved word of it yet.

Is that a yes, or a no? Or if neither, please expand on your answer; I don't understand what you're saying.

[Wisdom]

Why the fuck is everyone claiming?

[Malakittens]

Actually, Mala, sweetie,

Since you're online, you can answer some stuff for me too.

Have you been Neighborized? (By Matt)

Because it seems as though you have. I just want to make sure I fully understand the situation.

I havent recieved word of it yet.

Is that a yes, or a no? Or if neither, please expand on your answer; I don't understand what you're saying.

No. I don't know. I haven't had a message. So it's like a neither as of the moment?

[Wisdom]

And how would Matt neighborize anyone? Isn't the game daystart?

[Malakittens]

And how would Matt neighborize anyone? Isn't the game daystart?

This.

Which is why I said what I said.

I figured I would know after the ngiht happens.

sholy fuck im tired