Mini 573 - Darkstalkers Mafia - Game over!
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Reread of the game:
6- RoN complains about Day-starts. I find the complaint stupid, but okay.
8- SirT votes RoN.
12- DP votes RoN for complaining.
13- Alabasca votes RoN, unvotes, says it is L-1 (it isn't), then random vote someone else.
- We don't need to random vote anymore, this sounds a bit too cowardly :-/
14- GW chides RoN for the fury. I am particularly liking it at this point, many people are choosing to react (DP, SirT, Ooba), or avoiding to react (Alabasca) post 6. I don't like this post from GW for some reason.
15 - Armix votes Ala for the random vote.
16 - Ration comes for Ala's defense. (not a newb)
17 - RW jokes the whole thing.
23 - alabasca gives a reason for random votes. I think that the discussion around RoN was good enough to start the game, though.
27 - DW comes and says nothing.
30 - Gorckat votes Alabasca
32-37 - Alabasca unvotes, explains he thinks Random vote is a safe vote. Armix argues the analogy (I'm with Armix). Alabasca takes the position of "don't wanna be lynched" townie.
40-46 - Gorckat and SirT discuss Random.org. Gorckat is correct.
49 - GW cimes in. He is right that a large Random vote discussion is unfruitful.
51 - The questioning is good, but the poetry is annoying.
52 - lol.
55 - non sequitur. Armix found Al suspicious enough to VOTE him. duh.
57, 59 - why is GW answering for RoN here?
71 - spring votes DP for pushing a non-relevant case (in her opinion).
74 - ration unvotes. Why is the vote stupid? because people didn't jump on? Says will post later. Me no like, there is plenty of discussion already (DP questioning RoN, spring voting DP, armix voting ala, etc).
77 - GW lurkervotes RoN.
78 - armix lurkervotes RoN
79 - DW chimes in, says nothing.
86 - Ration says that RoN is scummy (why?) but he won't be voting now (I see).
94 - Gorkcat accuses Ala of being ambivalent towards the RoN wagon. I think Ala is looking more like a newb by now. I'm more concerned about Ration.
99 - RoN says "I'm here, will post later", armix immediately unvotes. Not earth shattering, but I would wait the "post later" part to come into being, I guess.
101 - Ala OMGUS gorkat, and admits it. :-/ don't know what to make of it.
104 - Ala backtracks.
105 - Ration gets replaced. That might explain his behavior, I guess.
107 - Armix votes Ala for backtracking.
108 - RW does not jump straight into the infant Ala bandwagon. Personal meta says that Scum-RW is more vote happy.
113,115 - Gorkcat pressures Ala
122 - Rogueben joins the game. Like his initial analysis, resonates with what I'm feeling right now.
123 - Spring says lurkers know what they risk. unfortunately, in the current meta, lurkers risk nothing. I think the town gains more than loses by taking a harder instance on lurkers.
125 - Whoa! While I agree with RW sentiment, this was unexpectedly aggressive, specially given the meekness feeling I was getting from RW.
126 - (post by ala) I'm not sure if this is wish-washiness, or failing to read the thread.
127 - Rogueben criticizes spring. I agree with spring that the meta is NOT an argument. Metas are good for shaping existing cases, but I don't like cases built entirely on metas. RoN's "speech" should be questioned by its relevance to this game, not by its relation to previous games.
131 - springs defense. I think she did a good job of defending herself, and I agree with her position on metas.
133 -
DP uses OMGUS to defend
"What have you done to hunt scum?"
Well, DP, she is attacking your case, for starters.
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GW defends his RoN vote. There is a lot more going on, but he takes no part in that.
139 - Gorkcat lurkervotes me. Boohoohoo.
140 - Rogueben mirrors my current thoughts on GW
147 - Ala decides to post insightfull content, goes on a full barrage of criticism (but "Now, that being said, I don't think you had bad intentions") against rogueben, but decides to FoS gorkcat instead with an onliner...
150 - Gorkcat noted the same thing. Of course, since that implicates him a bit, he blames the difference on the lurkervote targets, not the voters. :-/
156 - If DP is going to post in annoying poems, he shouldn't be complaining when people don't answer to his questions, specially when those are posed as affirmations (like the one in the second paragraph).
I find posting in poetry like this an arrogant exercise, that does not help the town one bit. I'm not answering questions in poetry form.
163 - I wanna see GW talk about the game. You guys talk about lurkers, but this one is lurking in plain sight.
166 - RW votes DP for pushing spring too much and the poetry posting.
167, 168 - Seems nor dean nor GW are reading the game. GW, there is one vote (RW) on DP that mentions the rhyming.
169 - Alabaska defends DP. Is this the first time that he takes a firm stand?
170 - Oh, rogueben noted that as well.
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Short impression about players.
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Spring - Started a case against DP, saying that attacks based on Meta are scummy. In general, I agree with this. I think her defense on 131 was good. Her "lurkers know what they risk" comment does not bother me that much. Pro-townish.
DP - Obfuscates his posts with poetry. Started an attack against RoN based on meta, and kept pushing it without RoN's response. Started discussing RoN with other people who were defending him. When Spring attacks him for his case, he starts OMGUS her. I don't see her dodging his questions as he says. I don't find him that scummy, though.
RW - He sided with DP, then with spring on the DP-Spring case. Voting DP. Is not really participating a lot other than that. FoSes Alabaska
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Alabaska- Extremely wishy washy. Deserves the votes he is getting.
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GW - this guy, however, is not getting the attention he deservers. Answered questions for RoN, then
joined the bandwagon when it started to grow. Lurks in plain sight.
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Armix: leading the town and the Ala bandwagon. I generally feel good about him, with the exception of the RoN unvote, but that is a minor point
Gorkcat: like Armix, participating strongly.
Rogueben: I found ration a bit scummy, but my thoughts are similar to rogueben's regarding other players, so I feel okay about him.
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Ooba: People talk about lurking scum, but this guy does not have one single contentful post (and he is reading the thread, because he piped up to greet me). I don't think anyone has mentioned him, and I find this fact very interesting.
Flameaxe: Yet to Post, recently replaced.
DW: posted little, needs to make his position known.
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It seems we have two dynamics going on: DP x Spring, and Alabaska
Alabaska is being pressured mainly by Armix and Gorkcat, and RW recently joined the
DP x Spring thing. I'm feeling that people in one dynamic seems to be largely ignoring the other.
Spring, DP, RW: What do you think of Alabaska, and the attacks against him?
Gorkcat, Armix, Alabaska: What do you think of the headbutting between Spring and DP?
Personally, I think Alabaska deserves the heat he is getting, and that the DP/Spring headbutt
seems like townie x townie.
GW, on the other hand, is getting much less attention than he deserves. He is not really lurking - he comes to post no-content posts, starts staying away from the RoN wagon, then answer questions for him when DP starts questioning him, then joins the bandwagon when it gets popular.
I feel GW deserves a vote more then Ala:
vote: GW
and since I only have one vote
FoS Alabaska
See you guys tomorrow!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVVmAG0RXmo-
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Quick answer to current questions (weekend folks, sorry):
- gorkcat: Do you think if GW is scum, RoN is as well?
I think it is too early to draw such conclusions. Could also be plain buddying.
- Ala: 184 - don't like. Agrees with absolutely everything I say, and ties RoN and GW well together.
- Armix: "who falls on whose side of the argument" - that's kind of what I was aiming for.
- Ooba: I did not see the contradiction when I read. Your reading powers are better than mine *bows and stuff*
- DW answers, but only to Al's comment. I'll re-read his answer later more carefully.
195 - Al - OMGUS at its best. Tries to tie ooba with Spring - Al, spring opinion of lurkers is wrong, but not necessarily scummy, she had some other good posts. Your accusation of ooba in response is pretty poor looking.
196 - now Spring, GW, ooba and RoN are our 4 scum?
Al - I may even believe you that the contradiction is sarcasm, but it surely doesn't look good for you when you answer that with such desperate OMGUS attacks. There is a theory where scum which is voted by a silly reason gets even more angry than townies on a similar situation, and right now, you are fitting the bill.
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I'll re-read GW based on his responses, and post again later. Waiting for flameaxe's (and others') comments.-
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Hey! I'm back! And I think I'll be more active from now on.
First, the short version:
Unvote- I think GW answer to my attack was appropriate.
FoS DW- You are right, Gorkcat, this guy completely slipped my radar. Maybe because he didn't vote and posted very little. But his few posts look like an "Yes Man". Once we deal with Alabaska, let's throw this one on the fire.
Alabaska: I'm not voting you right now, because I want you to say:
- your rolename
- the rolename of the SK
before you get into hammer-range. Cough that up, now.
Now to write the long version, with answer to questions.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVVmAG0RXmo-
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Ok, commenting on posts that picked my interest:
GW's answers:
Like I said before, seem okay - specially in light of Al's rabid attack on him.
205 (Alabaska):
It feels more like you latched to the fact that I found someone else voteworthy as a drowning man latches to a drifting piece of flotsam. Your PbPA of GW after my vote was really reaching.Because I think you're right? I'm not sure what else I should have said since I agreed with you…
How many do we have? I doubt they are all scum, just a couple possible pairs.
In absence of evidence to the contrary, I think that 9 town 3 scum is the norm for mini games. However, the point I was trying to make is that you were labeling a LOT of people as "sure scum", which to me indicates that you don't really believe in any of the cases you are making.
206 (Armlx - thanks Alabaska for the correction)
Elaborating:
I wanted people to tell us their instance on DP x Spring, because I think, like you, that someone falling on one side or the other of the argument too strongly would be a scumtell.
Players giving opinions on each other is always good, specially on day 3,4, after some people have been cardflipped.
210 (DP)
- Changing playstyle is not "a lie". I think you are making too much out of a meta, specially out of a first post. If we are to lynch someone, it should be for things they did on THIS game.
That said, on later posts you seem to have evolved past hugging this particular case too tightly, so let's move on.
211 (Gorkcat)
FoS'es me for not attacking Dean. What can I say, you are right - I must have put DW in the lurker bin too early, and did not pay much attention to his posts.
My initial reaction to your post was "Dean has not posted at all! Unlike GW, who is being scummy", like Armlx mentions later. After re-reading Dean, though, I see that his few posts were quite "Yes, yes, let's do this", and promises for content that are not backed up.
That said, we can put DW on the stack, and deal with him once we're done with Alabaska.
216 (Flameaxe)
Post seems Ok. I would like to hear more on why you think Ross is useless.
217 (Armlx)
Don't like the "standard warning". I believe all votes in a bandwagon are equal in the
eyes of the mod, and turning the headlights into the later votes seems like trying to
take away the responsibility of the bandwagon from the earlier voters.
Upon reading this post, I made a note to vote Al immediately and tell Armlx that if
he was so worried he could always unvote - I'll probably do that once Al answers my
question.
218 (DW)
Is this getting caught up on the game HOW?
222 - (GW)
If you had the time to meta Dean, how about re-reading three players on this game and giving us your opinion on them? I'll even let you pick
223 - (Gorkcat)
HUH? (edit: oh, it was a trap)
230 - (Spring)
Ok answer, still doesn't like DP and AJ. What do you think about Ross Willian and Rogueben?
234 - (Alabaska)
You're busy in school. Okay. But scum gets busy too, so don't use that as a defense. Regarding your post, you FoSed Dean. So right now you suspect 5 people:
Ooba, Dean, GW, Flameaxe and Spring.
Is that right? Which of the above you suspect more? Why? Did any of the above fall from your suspect list?
237 - (Gorkcat)
Ooh, 223 was a trap. GW, you REALLY shouldn't have answered this one.
238 - (DP)
DP lets go of Spring. Now he is after Dean. Ok.
240 - (Alabaska)
Claims SK Cop. Like someone else pointed below, not really buying it. Could be the SK himself. Want a flavor claim (rolename, and SK's rolename).
Makes a player list from his votees.
Points a contradiction on Rogueben - I don't really see it.
Clears Armlx, but then says that he feels there is a "link" between Gorkcat and Armlx.
attacks Flameaxe - well, was already in scumlist.
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I think the claim is plausible. I don't know that much about Darkstalkers, but if there were to be a SK/SKcop pair, Morrigan/Dimitri makes sense. That does not sound much like mafia safeclaim. The remaining option would be a SK safeclaim.
I don't like the way Rogueben has reacted to the claim. I'd like also to see what Drunken Piper and others who have not yet reacted to the claim think about it.
Because of this, I'd like toRequest Deadline Extension
One week should be enough.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVVmAG0RXmo-
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I think that if Alabaster is the SK cop, his power works on only one person - the SK. So it probably DOES work, regardless of rank. So the theory that armix would ask alabaska his rank to know whether or not he would "be vulnerable" to him is kinda pointless.springlullaby wrote: I think there is only one reason to be interested in someone's rank, and that is to know if one's power would work on them. And the odds of such powers beingagainst themis pretty high.
What do you think?
That said, I don't think Alabaska (or anyone else) should talk about their ranks freely.-
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Yeah. It felt kinda wrong, mainly the "Dimitri looks more like an Cult Leader than an SK". So you unvote per claim, but you still say that the claim looks wrong, and he is still scummy. This is pinged my scumdar a little.Rogueben wrote:You don't like my reaction to it?
Since I didn't FoS you or anything else, my scumdar had pinged just a little at the time.
While THIS reaction is much more interesting. Does it bother you that people are looking at your behavior? I don't like your overreaction. "Think carefully about it?" lol.I would like a good reason, and I suggest you think carefully about, in particular how it makes me more likely to be scum given his claim
vote: Rogueben
No, I only read the article for my own role. I played Darkstalkers a little a long time ago, and I remember Morrigan being one of the main characters, and Dimitri being one of the main villains.Have you read the wikipedea articles on each of those characters?-
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Sure. But what does this has to do with the fact that Rogueben overreacted to a minor fos of mine? I think he is a better lynch than Alabaska (and much better than DP).gorckat wrote:
Claus: Do you have answers for these questions?rogueben wrote: 1. How would it help mafia to jump off a claimed SKcop?
2. If I was SK, how would it help me to jump off a claimed SKcop?
I would go for a DeanWinchester lynch as well, but I'll wait for the opinion of the replacees.-
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Lol. Here is the thing. Those questions have nothing to do with my vote. My vote for you was solely in return to your overreaction to my commentary. THAT is what I find scummy enough about you to vote you D1.Rogueben wrote: I would like you to answer the questions, I don't want people to become unaccountable for their suspicion and or votes.
Now, we are 48 hours away from a deadline lynch. I don't see DP dead today - didn't see him as scummy, and I would like to see if Alabaska will survive the night. Other people don't seem to have reacted to your overreaction, or to my vote in response of it (other than gorckat) - so you are probably not getting lynched today.
So I guess I'll jump on your boat and
Unvote; VoteDeanWinchesterXtomx
Since gorkcat pointed some perfectly scummy comments from DW pre-replacement, and Xtomx has done nothing to convince us otherwise - maybe he is just waiting for the duel to kill off some townie.
So, Xtomx, you'd better vote someone if you want to save your own skin.-
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As it should be. The comment was not bolded, I don't even think I used the word scummy - it was not an accusation, it was a comment. The way you are overreacting to that, though, is what I call scummy.Rogueben wrote:I really don't think that you understand what I'm saying here. Something is only scummy if scum are more likely to do it. You are not willing to explain why scum would be more likely to do it, therefore I find that your justification for the initial FoS is lacking.
You are trying to defeat my argument by combating a point that I am not making.
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That said, with about 24 hours for the deadline, we have 3 people tied with 2 votes, and 5 people not voting. It would be REALLY cool if those not voting, or voting for the 1-votees, came up to justify their (non)-votes.-
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This means that if I honestly find Rogueben scummy, I shouldn't be voting for the same person that he is voting. Which would make a lot of sense if there was only one scum group (we have at least two - scum and the SK).ooba wrote:
What does this mean?gorckat wrote:Finding rogueben lynch worthy and then voting the same person he is seems really fishy.
I wish we had more players paying as much attention to the game as Gorkcat is.-
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Gorkat. I'm voting Xtomx/DW for three reasons.
1- Because of DW's few, on the wall comments, which you pointed out to me when I voted on GW, and I agreed at the time.
2- Because Xtomx promised a reread of the game when he was replaced a few days ago, and disappeared. Now, he could have disappeared because he is away, or because he is happy with either DP or Alabaska being lynched, and doesn't want to say so. So I decided to put him in the duel, to see to which side he would fall to save his own skin.
3- Because I don't have the time/patience to do a move that requires a re-read or something more than my current memories.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVVmAG0RXmo-
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EBWOP: (Sorry, there is a fourth reason, that I wrote in my original vote post: because _I'M_ not happy with an Alabaska or DP lynch right now, and he is the best alternative).
While I can't complain because I'm kinda away myself, this deadline lynch is really annoying me: we got a really passive players with lots of people not voting :-/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVVmAG0RXmo-
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...curiouskarmadog wrote:
(waiting).Drunken Piper wrote:
Since we are so close to deadline, of course,
I am really looking for something from Xtoxm and OpposedForce.
Claus, why are you interested to see if Ala lives through the night?
When did you begin to know we had a SK in our sight?
CKD?? When did you replace into the game? You're not in the latest vote count.
Well, when Ala claimed. Either he is the SK or the SK cop, and if he is the SK cop, then we have an SK. I don't believe Alabaska as scum would claim SK cop. That is a gut feeling.-
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Hey,
Thanks!Xtoxm wrote:I guess i'll end the game of chicken.
This is a very grudgingly way to put it. Ala is not apparently clear. He's clear, period.Alabaska - Is apparntly clear. I've also now seen he's an SK cop. So i'm satisfied that he's innocent.
This is extremely wish washy. On one hand you use pressuring of Ala as a town tell, on the other turning away from the Al wagon is a town tell. I wonder which of these is the scumbuddy you are protecting.Armlx - I get a townie feel about his early posts, and agree with the random voting argument. Think the FOSing RB for requesting prods is rubbish, however it could be genuine. His pressing on Alabaska seems genuine to me. So I think he's town.
(... changing order for comparison's sake ...)
Gork - Now given Al's essentially clear, I think anyone turning away from the Al wagon looks good. So leaning town.
Thanks for buddying up with me!Claus - I find the post analysis to be ugh, for want of a better expression. As I get to the your player analysis, I realise it's hard to comment before I check out the others you are commenting on.
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I think the fact he was trying to get me lynched by himself at the end of yesterday is a town-tell, so for the moment I will put him as town.
Rolefishing much?DP - I'm not a fan of peotry, lol. I don't know much at all...Anything, infact...About Darkstalkers, has it been discussed much what character he is likely to be?
I don't feel you're sure of this. Maybe this is why you waited until someone else voted to put your vote in?Flameaxe - I particularly don't like this comment:
I know it's sarcastic, but I don't like the point he's trying to make with it. All he said today is comments about the JOAT. Making comments about roles/setups is something I tend to find myself doing as scum. I think flameaxe is probably one of the scum.Would you rather me vote who I found the least suspicious instead? unvote, vote: flameaxe. Wow, I see how much better this is! Why didn't I think of this before?!
Wish-washy. Really, the fact that Al was telling the truth and that we bagged the SK yesterday was a fluke.GW - (...) The main thing I get on him is his belief of Al's claim seems genuine to me, so I think he's town.
So, what was Ooba's list useful for?(... about Ooba ...)
I am going to quote his analysis list, cos I think it might be useful.
(... posts list ...)
I disagree with this. I think SKs don't act like townies, because they are survivors, and mostly disinterested in the lynch result - but this is purely theoretical discussion - not counting this against you.RB - Was the SK. SK's can be considered townies, essentially, in terms of looking for mafia, just to point out.
Really, why? (oh, btw, SL is a she).
This strikes me as the type of comment a townie would make.PS: I love Darkstalkers, love it love it!! <3 <3 <3 <3!!!!
Flameaxe and who? I don't remember you posting any strong opinions in the post above, and I just remember Flameaxe because you voted for him later. So why do I get upgraded to be the third scum over people you have no read either way?Unfortunately, it's seems i've only put 2 in my scum section. I'm not saying i'm right but I like to have the right number of scum in my list...Which I assume to be 3, ofcourse. I guess Claus would be the lucky one who get's upgraded if I had to name 3.
Well, thanks for taking the time to re-read and write the above. Unfortunately (for you) now my previous vote, which was pretty much a random vote to get people talking in D2 (here is your reasoning, SL - I was expecting more people to react to it, though), has become a real vote.My head officailly HURTS. I'm just gonna hit submit and hopes this comes out alright. I cba to check through all this.
I'm finding your analysis wish washy and scummy. I expected you to be a bit more solid on your opinions of other players.
I really wish more people would post.-
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Meh, might as well post some content myself.
I'm not sure I see Flameaxe as scum - did not post that much content in my eyes - could go either way. I would love a more solid case to be made - a PBP or something.
Xtomx, still looking like a reasonable choice for a lynch.
I don't like the "so, what did you get yesterday?" from gorkcat. Rubbed me the wrong way, I'm not just sure how yet. The "RB with nothing better to do" excuse doesn't make much sense.
I would love more people (SL? GW? I don't even remember the whole playerlist) would weight on both Xtomx and Flameaxe and/or propose other lynches.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVVmAG0RXmo-
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What bothers me is that I can't see why town would do that. How does it help scumhunting?gorckat wrote:
Please let me know if it occurs to you why it bothers you or makes you uncomfortable that I'd be interested in people targeting Al.Claus wrote:I don't like the "so, what did you get yesterday?" from gorkcat. Rubbed me the wrong way, I'm not just sure how yet. The "RB with nothing better to do" excuse doesn't make much sense.
But hey, at this point in the day, I'm much more interesting in seeing who thinks who is scummy and why.
By the way, I lol'ed at the way you asked that. Seems we're learning some lessons from yesterday-
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Unvote. Vote Flameaxe
- I find the AITP meta to be utterly bullshit. Boo to metas. That said, I think Armlx is town voting on the right person for the wrong reasons.
I don't like Flameaxe's behavior during the 3 and 4 way duels D1. He basically stuck his vote on Alabaska, made some comments that did not influence the town in any way, and just sat back and relaxed waiting for the deadline*. Comes day 2, and all Flameaxe has to show us is a OMGUS vote on armlx.
Yeah, good lynch candidate. Also, upon re-read, I think that if Flameaxe do come up scum, there are some very interesting pairings to be made.
*Mind you, Flameaxe is not the only one that falls in this category.-
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No, it is not. However, I have no problem voting disruptive players out of the game.Flameaxe wrote:
This is not effective scumhunting.Claus wrote:Please don't. We lynch Flameaxe today and the game returns to normalhood (with one less scum, that is).
Since you seem to have left the "fuck off" mode, though, let me
respond your previous post.
Yup, you made nice case against AJ on your post number 3. The way AJ played D1, though, even half asleep scum could put up such a case together without much trouble.I'm sorry for finding everything about Alabaska scummy, but I outlined it fairly well, and showed I thought he was scummy. Every post influences the town.
On the other hand, after the AJ wagon died, but he was still tied to a lynch to DP, a player you have never commented on, and Xtomx/DW, a player on who you did not have strong opinions, you were pretty confortable in not saying anything.
Really? What is your valid case against Armlx? All I see is Armlx pushing you for the AITP meta, and you eventually getting pissed at him and voting him back. If you have anything more than that, I'm interested in hearing.It isn't OMGUS. I have a valid reason, while he does not. I've been busy defending myself against empty cases all day (see Xtoxm's).
Yeah, I don't know who the scum and the town are. Sorry about that. But voting on someone who sleeps through deadline lynches, who is voting on a guy I have a town read on for OMGUS reasons, and whose only response to pressure seems to be "fuck you" seems like a pretty got bet.IF I come up scum. You don't seem as convinced as you are trying to seem.-
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Claus Mafia Scum
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Hmmmm. A cult, a mafia AND an SK?
1- You have information that there is a cult AND a mafia in this game, or do you have information that there is a cult in this game?
2- when you got that "information", did you get anything that might lead us to the cult/mafia member?
3- What do you think of the players who were under scrutinity today? (Xtomx, Flameaxe, and Armlx to a lesser degree?)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVVmAG0RXmo-
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Ok. So I gather that you were informed of cult existence on your role PM then. Fair enough. Did you at least breadcrumbed the existance of a cult D1?springlullaby wrote: 1) I know as far as the mod can be trusted that there is a cult.
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I debated with myself during all of day 1 whether to bring up the subject of cult since town seemed to be unaware of it existence;
I'd suggest that you dump now everything that you know about the cult, including the rolename of the cult leader - we may have a rolecop among the town powerroles that could use the info.
There is a simpler answer: Vig. I think a SK/Mafia/Cult combination to be too much for a 12 player game.My statement that there is a mafia was an assumption based on the fact, which has surprised me, that there was a kill last night despite being down an SK.
unvote: Flameaxe
One reason of my vote is that I was seeing a strong link between Flameaxe and another player. Since I'm now assuming (for the time being) that we don't have a mafia, I'll have to reconsider my vote.
I hope you do. You were in a privileged position on D1 and most of D2 to observe who would act more knowledgeable than the rest.2) I know the role name of the cult leader, but I do not know their identity. But if I were to speculate, I'd say Alabaska is the obvious cult recruit choice after D1.
3) I haven't formed a strong impression yet, and I haven't read everything yet. Will get to it eventually.
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Crazy idea: Everyone has powers. If those powers are confirmable, maybe a mass roleclaim would out the cult leader? I'd like an yes/no from people without elaborating much at the moment.-
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Claus Mafia Scum
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I had a feeling you would point your other finger at Opp. Force.
I might as well claim.
I'm Anakaris (the mummy guy), and I use my coffins to protect people from harm. When S.L. revealed that she new of cults, I asked the mod if my protection included culting, and he gave me an ambiguous answer. So I think I do not protect from culting.
Going to sleep now, see you guys in a few hours.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVVmAG0RXmo-
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Mokina wrote:it feels like he was trying to quicklynch before a replacement arrived. Either that or we have two docs.
Yeah. That is why I waited for you to show up and claim before voting you. That is why I also asked the mod for a 1 week deadline extension post replacement.
But now that we both claimed the same role, the decision is easier - one of us get killed, and if we bag the wrong one (I hope not) the vig kills the other.-
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Mokina wrote: I asked DR about my ability and he replied ambiguously. He tells me that it's "the normal ability of a doc and the normal ability of a roleblocker, combined."Unvote.
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I received the exact very same PM when I asked for clarification.
I don't think the mod would give Mokina this much information for a fakeclaim. Maybe we do have multiple jailkeepers?-
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I have already claimed my name - I'm fine for a nameclaim. But I think the cult recruiter probably has a safe fakeclaim.
Mokina - re-read my posts -
I never proposed a quicklynch of you as you say I did. I said that I got the same "ambiguous" PM from the mod BEFORE you did it. If you lynch me, the vig will kill you tonight, because they will think you are lying about your power.
As I said, I don't think there is a mafia. Ooba's death was probably vig work - Vig + cult seems like a normal setup decision. Anyway, If you think I'm scum, who would be my partners?
Also, I just realized that probably neither of us (Mokina + Me) can be the cult recruiter - cult-ability, non-cultability probably has to do with role power levels (S class Darkstalkers - not recruitable. B-class darkstalkers - recruitable) - maybe S.L. can confirm/deny this theory?
I think I have a good hunch on who could be a good cult recruiter... will re-read for that now.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVVmAG0RXmo-
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I don't think 1 is lying.armlx wrote: The later means that if Claus = town, Monika = town, which is mutually exclusive with 1 is lying. Therefore
vote: Armlx
I think you are the cult leader sir, based on your questionings regarding Power Level on day 1, and your insistence on there being a mafia. I'll remove my vote if you have information that confirms the existence of a mafia, or reasonably justify your interest in power levels.-
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Mokina. Stop. And think.Mokina wrote: Lies. You declared yourself the Doc-Blocker in post 597:
I'm the one doing the counterclaiming. Happy with my vote.Claus wrote: I'm Anakaris (the mummy guy), and I use my coffins to protect people from harm. When S.L. revealed that she new of cults, I asked the mod if my protection included culting, and he gave me an ambiguous answer. So I think I do not protect from culting.
Read 597 again. And again. I never said the word DOC or BLOCK - specially, I never said I had a blocking power in that post.
Consider the possibility of we both having the same role. Specially a jailkeeper role, which is a weakened doctor, on a game where ALL 12 PLAYERS are power roles.
If I'm lying, what would I be?
- not cult recruiter, since the cult probably can't recruit S-level Darkstalkers.
- not mafia because
a- there is no mafia
b- if mafia killed Ooba, what would I be doing targetting
AJ, who doesn't threaten a possible mafia?
c- Mafia wouldn't kill a mafia-harmless AJ with lots of other possible
mafia-harmful powers around.-
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I have already said this, but for the sake of clarity:
If you want to mass nameclaim, go ahead.
That said I think the Cult recruiter possibly has a safe fakeclaim. Mass nameclaiming would probably just let the Recruiter check the wiki for the power levels of the players (assuming the mod is using the real power levels), and find out who is recruitable and who isn't.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVVmAG0RXmo-
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