Mini 573 - Darkstalkers Mafia - Game over!

[Claus]

BTW, I know the correct term is "Jailkeeper", but the mod has written doc/roleblocker on all the PM's that I sent to him asking for clarification on my role.

[Claus]

it feels like he was trying to quicklynch before a replacement arrived. Either that or we have two docs.

Yeah. That is why I waited for you to show up and claim before voting you. That is why I also asked the mod for a 1 week deadline extension post replacement.

But now that we both claimed the same role, the decision is easier - one of us get killed, and if we bag the wrong one (I hope not) the vig kills the other.

[armlx]

This seems pretty clear cut. As I said, Claus is more town so far soo.......

[Claus]

I asked DR about my ability and he replied ambiguously. He tells me that it's "the normal ability of a doc and the normal ability of a roleblocker, combined."

Unvote.

:-/

I received the exact very same PM when I asked for clarification.

I don't think the mod would give Mokina this much information for a fakeclaim. Maybe we do have multiple jailkeepers?

[armlx]

What the hell is going on.

Unvote

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[Drunken Piper]

wow, this is only getting more confusing
not at all very amusing.

unvote

(We do not have 2 jailkeepers, one is lying)

[GhostWriter]

I agree, one is lying. I also agree that he would not provide the safeclaim with the exact description of the actual role. So my vote sticks.

[Mokina]

I say nay on the mass role claim. Again, with the whole Gorrad thing I stated, non-vanilla = possibly confirmable night action, it also includes non-action roles with abilities ie. miller, bullet-proof, etc, so I highly doubt everyone is confirmable. Even then, testing confirmability in a cult setting leads to awkward scenarios where the cult has perfect information with which to make their decision as to allow their ability to be "confirmed" or to ensure they aren't caught or what not. Its just awkward all around, even more so then mass claiming vs a mafia group.

Absolutely right.

I, too, believe a mass roleclaim would be a bad plan at this point. The only possible benefit we could gain is to expose contradictions, and clever scum would be able to avoid that easily (or even falsify counterclaims). Plus, with a living cult on the loose (likely), it would be completely possible for cultists to simply claim their normal, supposedly protown roles. Which gets us nothing.

I have another proposal. Pehaps a name claim might be the better solution. We have a full list of possible names, and we have Wikipedia articles on each character. I see no harm in it, and based on my role and Claus' description of his own, flavor

does

seem to play a big part in determining who is assigned which ability. Any thoughts?

[GhostWriter]

I'm with a name claim.

[Dead Rikimaru]

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Q-Bee

VOTECOUNT #27

Mokina

(1): Alabaska J

Flameaxe

(1): Xtoxm

armlx

(1): Flameaxe

Claus

(1): GhostWriter

Not voting

(6): springlullaby, Mokina, gorckat, Claus, armlx, Drunken Piper

Deadline is on

May 30

Needed for a lynch: 6 votes
If by deadline no one has 6 votes the player with more votes is lynched
If two players share the top score of votes lynch is decided by

duel

IMPORTANT!!!!!

Alabaska's birthday will no longer be celebrated by a lynch.
Sorry, Alabaska.
DR

[Mokina]

I asked DR about my ability and he replied ambiguously. He tells me that it's "the normal ability of a doc and the normal ability of a roleblocker, combined."

Unvote.

:-/

I received the exact very same PM when I asked for clarification.

I don't think the mod would give Mokina this much information for a fakeclaim. Maybe we do have multiple jailkeepers?

I refuse to believe we have multiple jailkeepers. Makes no sense as a setup. Claus' suggestion is naked scum CYA.

Vote: Claus

[Claus]

Armlx - if me or Mokina were lying, what would you think the liar actually is?

[Mokina]

C-C-C-COUNTERCLAIM!!!

vote: Mokina

I am the doc-blocker. I never said I was a doc. I was waiting for you to do this.

You should, like, have claimed cop, or doc, or something.

Lies. You declared yourself the Doc-Blocker in post 597:

I'm Anakaris (the mummy guy), and I use my coffins to protect people from harm. When S.L. revealed that she new of cults, I asked the mod if my protection included culting, and he gave me an ambiguous answer. So I think I do not protect from culting.

I'm the one doing the counterclaiming. Happy with my vote.

[gorckat]

Does anyone besides spring have confirmation of a cult in the game?

spring: You said you had the cult leader's name, didn't you? We really need it.

[armlx]

I agree one is lying. I've just been thinking it over.

Issues at hand:

RW being v. scummy.

Claus confirming Mokina as town.

The later means that if Claus = town, Monika = town, which is mutually exclusive with 1 is lying. Therefore

Vote Claus

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[Claus]

I have already claimed my name - I'm fine for a nameclaim. But I think the cult recruiter probably has a safe fakeclaim.

Mokina - re-read my posts -
I never proposed a quicklynch of you as you say I did. I said that I got the same "ambiguous" PM from the mod BEFORE you did it. If you lynch me, the vig will kill you tonight, because they will think you are lying about your power.

As I said, I don't think there is a mafia. Ooba's death was probably vig work - Vig + cult seems like a normal setup decision. Anyway, If you think I'm scum, who would be my partners?

Also, I just realized that probably neither of us (Mokina + Me) can be the cult recruiter - cult-ability, non-cultability probably has to do with role power levels (S class Darkstalkers - not recruitable. B-class darkstalkers - recruitable) - maybe S.L. can confirm/deny this theory?

I think I have a good hunch on who could be a good cult recruiter... will re-read for that now.

[GhostWriter]

How does everyone else feel about revealing names, as opposed to a mass role claim.

[Claus]

The later means that if Claus = town, Monika = town, which is mutually exclusive with 1 is lying. Therefore

I don't think 1 is lying.

vote: Armlx

I think you are the cult leader sir, based on your questionings regarding Power Level on day 1, and your insistence on there being a mafia. I'll remove my vote if you have information that confirms the existence of a mafia, or reasonably justify your interest in power levels.

[armlx]

I could get behind a name reveal. The only name-> ability major correlation so far was the SK.

[Claus]

Lies. You declared yourself the Doc-Blocker in post 597:

I'm Anakaris (the mummy guy), and I use my coffins to protect people from harm. When S.L. revealed that she new of cults, I asked the mod if my protection included culting, and he gave me an ambiguous answer. So I think I do not protect from culting.

I'm the one doing the counterclaiming. Happy with my vote.

Mokina. Stop. And think.

Read 597 again. And again. I never said the word DOC or BLOCK - specially, I never said I had a blocking power in that post.

Consider the possibility of we both having the same role. Specially a jailkeeper role, which is a weakened doctor, on a game where ALL 12 PLAYERS are power roles.

If I'm lying, what would I be?

- not cult recruiter, since the cult probably can't recruit S-level Darkstalkers.
- not mafia because
a- there is no mafia
b- if mafia killed Ooba, what would I be doing targetting
AJ, who doesn't threaten a possible mafia?
c- Mafia wouldn't kill a mafia-harmless AJ with lots of other possible
mafia-harmful powers around.

[Drunken Piper]

Now the game is moving.
AND the content is improving.

Statements:

1.) I am fine with mass claim of names, but unless we have a role that can find out names, it might be useless because scum will lie.
1b.) if we mass claim names, Spring should tell the name of the CL AFTER
2.) if I had to choose between Claus and Mok as to who is lying, it would have to be Claus because of his post 628
3.) Technically Claus counterclaimed Mok, he did not claim jailkeeper, he only claimed a protective role.

As I said, I don't think there is a mafia. Ooba's death was probably vig work - Vig + cult seems like a normal setup decision. Anyway, If you think I'm scum, who would be my partners?

4. AGAIN, I dont think we have a vig.
5. Claus’ most recent posts in light of Mok’s claim looks like scum floundering.

Vote Claus.

[Claus]

I have already said this, but for the sake of clarity:

If you want to mass nameclaim, go ahead.

That said I think the Cult recruiter possibly has a safe fakeclaim. Mass nameclaiming would probably just let the Recruiter check the wiki for the power levels of the players (assuming the mod is using the real power levels), and find out who is recruitable and who isn't.

[Mokina]

I'm going to start compiling name claims, to get the ball rolling.

Ration -Demitri

Confirmed SK. He's the main character of the series, a general maverick badass. Makes a lot of sense for the role... I'm sensing there's a lot to be gained from flavor.

Ooba - Hsien-Ko

Confirmed JoAT. In the arcade game, she pulls a variety of different weapons out of her sleeves based on the situation. Again, the role makes sense.

That's what we have to work with in terms of truth. I believe canonical accuracy is quite important in this game, so here are the nameclaims:

Claus - Anakaris

Mokina - Rikuo

Please add your own. I have a feeling this could be incredibly helpful.

[Claus]

Armlx, before people quicklynch me, respont to 636 and 642, please. Give us a reasoning for 636.

[Drunken Piper]

floundering like a fish,
coming across frantic-ish

How does Claus know what the Cult can recruit? how does Claus know that Ala is a "level-S"? If you fall back on the word "probably" then, how does that prove you are not cult?