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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:12 am

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VOTECOUNT #10

Alabaska J
(4) - armlx, Rogueben, gorckat, ooba

Drunken Piper
(2) - springlullaby, RossWilliam
GhostWriter
(2) - Claus, Alabaska J
springlullaby
(1) - Drunken Piper

Not voting
(3): Flameaxe , DeanWinchester, GhostWriter

Deadline is on
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Needed to lynch a fool: 7 votes
If by deadline no one has 7 votes the fool is the player with more votes
If two fools share the top score of votes the foolest among them is decided by
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:16 am

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Now seems like a good time to post. I'm back in town now, will be catching up tonight most likely.
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:23 pm

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excited to hear your thoughts Flameaxe. they're always vivid.
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:32 pm

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You know it.
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:55 am

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Quick answer to current questions (weekend folks, sorry):

- gorkcat: Do you think if GW is scum, RoN is as well?

I think it is too early to draw such conclusions. Could also be plain buddying.

- Ala: 184 - don't like. Agrees with absolutely everything I say, and ties RoN and GW well together.

- Armix: "who falls on whose side of the argument" - that's kind of what I was aiming for.

- Ooba: I did not see the contradiction when I read. Your reading powers are better than mine *bows and stuff*

- DW answers, but only to Al's comment. I'll re-read his answer later more carefully.

195 - Al - OMGUS at its best. Tries to tie ooba with Spring - Al, spring opinion of lurkers is wrong, but not necessarily scummy, she had some other good posts. Your accusation of ooba in response is pretty poor looking.

196 - now Spring, GW, ooba and RoN are our 4 scum?

Al - I may even believe you that the contradiction is sarcasm, but it surely doesn't look good for you when you answer that with such desperate OMGUS attacks. There is a theory where scum which is voted by a silly reason gets even more angry than townies on a similar situation, and right now, you are fitting the bill.

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I'll re-read GW based on his responses, and post again later. Waiting for flameaxe's (and others') comments.
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:09 pm

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Claus wrote:- Ala: 184 - don't like. Agrees with absolutely everything I say, and ties RoN and GW well together.
Because I think you're right? I'm not sure what else I should have said since I agreed with you…
Claus wrote:196 - now Spring, GW, ooba and RoN are our 4 scum?
How many do we have? I doubt they are all scum, just a couple possible pairs.

Claus wrote:Al - I may even believe you that the contradiction is sarcasm, but it surely doesn't look good for you when you answer that with such desperate OMGUS attacks. There is a theory where scum which is voted by a silly reason gets even more angry than townies on a similar situation, and right now, you are fitting the bill.

I'm just frustrated. I seriously had no idea that comment had a chance of being taken literally, or else I wouldn't have posted it. I can understand two replacements and ooba who lurked at the beginning not understanding it because of context issues. I also think ooba stumbled upon it looking at only my posts, which takes out of context even further. armlx's (it's an "l" by the way Claus :wink:) comment stumps me, though.

Also, in regards to your theory, which I can most certainly understand and is probably legitimate: you are missing a control group. How much would a townie react? You have to know that before applying your theory. You have your benchmark now. :D
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:37 pm

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Claus wrote: - Armix: "who falls on whose side of the argument" - that's kind of what I was aiming for.
Can you elaborate? I'm fairly sure my answer is "Anyone who sides in that argument in a relevant manner is scummy for pushing a dumb issue beyond 2 tunnel visioned players" if I understand it right.
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:38 pm

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forgot about Easter weekend, I must say..
will have to address this thread on Monday
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:36 pm

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Replacement Virus


Twelve creatures of the night awake in an unknown environment.
They don't know how they got here, but together they must find a way to get out...


armlx
: Ouch, my head hurts!
RossWilliam
: So, anyone has any idea of what place is this and how did we get here?
RangeroftheNorth
: Who cares? This isn't even Night! I am a creature of the night, how am I supposed to even think with a sun like this shinning over my head?

Flameaxe replaces RangeroftheNorth


Flameaxe
: Hi. Looks like we were summoned to an alternate dimension. My guess is that to get out of here we have to find out who summoned us in the first place and... well, kill him.
GhostWriter
: :shock: What a happened to Ranger? It's like he transformed into another person.
DeanWinchester
: Well, killing the summoner is a good idea. But how do we know who the guy is?
Sir Tornado
: I'm so confused, so confused. Looks like I joined more alternate dimensions than I am able to keep track of...

Claus replaces Sir Tornado


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Claus
: Well, folks. How about if we start to lynch a person every Day until the spell is broken?
gorckat
: Wow. Happened again! :shock:
springlullaby
: Apparently there is a kind of virus spreading through the air or something. But looks like those who get "infected" become much more useful... Maybe it's not a bad thing afterall. :D
ooba
: What I still need to know is: If we are going to kill a person everyday, how do we choose that person?
Ration
: Oh no, I'm so busy! I have to go to another dimension and won't be back for two months!

Rogueben replaces Ration


Rogueben
: The best option is to have everyone vote who they think is guilty. After the majority agrees on a suspect we simply lynch him or her.
Drunken Piper
: Your vote is worth as much as mine. / Let's lynch someone before deadline.
Alabaska J
: Poetry now? Looks like the virus is already evolving... :roll:

MOD NOTE:

The flavor in this post is just a humorous summary of the conversations during the game. No alignement and no portion of the setup is revealed there.

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Deadline is close.
Deadline will only be extended if enough players ask for it.
How much is enough will depend on player participation.
I will not extend the deadline for more than a week, so don't slackoff.
Please understand that at some point the game must advance. A fast game is a fun game.
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:51 pm

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Hahaha Dead Rikimaru is teh funnyz! I knew I would like playing in your games.
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:50 am

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Claus wrote:
DP - Obfuscates his posts with poetry. Started an attack against RoN based on meta, and kept pushing it without RoN's response. Started discussing RoN with other people who were defending him. When Spring attacks him for his case, he starts OMGUS her. I don't see her dodging his questions as he says. I don't find him that scummy, though.
This is not exactly true,
I caught Ranger in a lie or a playstyle change and took the cue.
In another game he random voted without care.
I wanted to know why he started this game with such a reversal declare.
Once he posted that he needed a replacement.
I figured it wasn’t a playstyle change, but a lack of interest, and I removed my vote placement.

As for spring she still has refused to answer my questions.

springlullaby wrote: What I know for certain is, I happen to use meta extensively when I'm scum to make myself look good, and to
pull craplogic on people
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Drunken Piper wrote:Please explain what was
crap about my "case"?
please back up your suggestions.
Did you meta Ranger to see if my observation was really crap?
If you have answered these questions, provide the post number(s), there chap.
If I have missed the answers, I will admit I am wrong.
But I don’t see them in the thread, and I didn’t rush along.
Claus wrote:
Spring, DP, RW: What do you think of Alabaska, and the attacks against him?
You are right, I have tunnel visioned on Spring for I found his play lacking,
But I guess review of other player’s I have been slacking.

Ala has not really done anything and has pinged my radar little.
However, after rereading the game a bit, he does come across non committal.

Lately however, I believe that Ala has provided stances.
That could be because of the pressure, he dares to now take chances.

I think his follower mentality should be watched more.
An example of this is his following of Claus in post 184.

However, I find him less scummy though than someone like Dean.
Who has constantly lurked, and stays behind the scenes.

I do feel good about Claus, who has provided good, solid, and steadfast content.
He takes a stance on conversations, and is not a follower 100%.
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DP 61:
I've read the bolded parts but it still seems to me as if RoTN was only against random voting if it starts with a day
Did you meta Ranger when he made the thought?
You would find my random voting (after day start) with glee, but I guess this is all for naught.

So please explain how I was incorrect.
and why didnt you check my meta, please interject.

ooba wrote: Bang Bang Bang - a contradiction from Al ...
Al in Post 64 wrote:Ah. I see. I read that part as the was drivel because there was no one nightkilled and therefore nothing to talk about at the beginning of day 1. My apologies.

@Drunken Piper:
Yeah I meta'd him
, and I do think this stance on random voting is odd, as he random voted in others games. I just wasn't sure random voting is what he was ranting about. Also, kudos on the rhyme.
This was a good catch, in your read trekking.
But it DOES sound like a joke especially following RW’s post and the ending “just checking”

The only thing I find scummy about Alab, with that being said.
Is his tendency to follow and to be lead.

Ala, I would like you to post your thoughts on each and every one.
Who do you think is scummy, and what have they done.
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:12 am

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@DP: Did you read Al's different reactions to Dean and SirT getting attention for lurking (before anyone brought up GW or Dean)? What do you make of that?

Looking back at Claus' thread reviews, it looks like he points out Dean for the same things as GW, but goes after GW.

FoS: Dean
FoS: Claus
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:43 am

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And then you attack Dean for the same faulty reasonings? Claus was just pointing it out but felt the case was a null tell and attacking Dean for it in itself was scummy. I
m starting to think Gorckat is bussing Al scum.
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:01 am

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armlx- what faulty reasonings am I also using to attack Dean?

Dean and SirT were both posting elsewhere but not here
I voted SirT because that's whom I noticed
I FoS'd Dean once I was aware he was gone, too
I voted Al when it looked like he was treating the two cases differently (he left a few questions about that unanswered, too)
I'm now FoSing Dean and Claus because it looks like Claus brushed away Dean
armlx wrote:Claus was just pointing it out but felt the case was a null tell and attacking Dean for it in itself was scummy.
I don't see where he called it a null tell, nor do I see where he said it would be scummy to attack Dean.
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:44 am

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Sorry, I'm confusing this game with another involving Dean where the same thing has occurred.

The difference between Dean and GW is Dean simply doesn't post (and does this in other games) where as GW is posting just enough to look like he is here.
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:56 am

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Even though he seems to contradict it once in a while, i get the sense that alabaska is just clumsy, possibly newb, town.
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:14 pm

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Did a quick read-up. Not a whole lot stuck out to me.
  • I do not hold the same stance as RotN. I do however agree with Armlx. I cannot explain RotN's comment, and I have no clue what reason he would have to rant.
  • AJ's 36 bothers me quite a bit. It's not the town's duty to evade suspicion and not get lynched, but that sure does sound like the scum's duty, doesn't it?
  • Gorckat's 30 seems odd. Like a vote trying to seem random, when it isn't...bleh.
  • Ross is more on the useless side contribution-wise. Bet you never expected to hear that from me of all people.
  • AJ's 76 seems to be letting RotC (me) off the hook for not posting too easily.
  • AJ's 101: I think I'm missing something...Very sporadic...
  • Ross only FoSes AJ in 108, and then makes it a point to point out that he FoS'd in 114. Odd.
  • Disagree with Ben's analysis of Ross in 122, unless Ben likes uselessness, in which case it all makes sense.
  • No me gusta 126 (AJ)
  • AJ's 184 is probably the most influential post for me so far. It further solidifies my feelings of AJ being eager of pushing another wagon to save his own skin. With Claus posting just before that expressing his suspicion of GW, and AJ replying with "Oh, GW slipped under my radar...oh, you are right /vote." stuck out to me big time. I would like more information regarding your proposed connection between GW and me, by the way.
  • 215 Ross coming to AJ's defense.
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:21 pm

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RossWilliam wrote:Even though he seems to contradict it once in a while, i get the sense that alabaska is just clumsy, possibly newb, town.
Thank you for this comment. If Al ends up being revealed as scum at some later point (possibly today), you are extremely suspect.

L-2. Standard warning that anyone who votes Al from here until after he defends himself further is very suspect, and that anyone who ends up lhammering him between him making a full defense and claiming is even more suspect.
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:12 pm

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I have caught up on the game. The only person I feel confident voting is Al, but will wait for claim. He seems very desperate to point blame at anyone else.

I would like to point out that I generally don't speak up the first day or so and prefer to just watch other players till I can get an accurate read on everyone.
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:17 pm

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FoS: Dean


Lurking day 1 - even if it is to get a read on everyone else is an anti-town strategy. How is anyone else supposed to be able to get a read on you?

Do you have anything new to bring to the table, or are you just going to follow everyone else's reasoning.

Does anyone have a meta on Dean? Does he play like this regardless of alignment?
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:07 am

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Alabaska J wrote:@ooba: That "contradiction" was me poking fun at DP because he kept saying he did the meta. It was pure sarcasm. Context helps, sometimes. Seems like you were just reading my posts and didn't get it. I'll forgive you this time…
Sorry but sarcasm sometimes gets lost in a medium like this. When i was reading , i thought it was really sloppy slip :)
Alabaska J wrote:Actually, after finishing reading your post, I won't. Read the whole thread as it goes, especially when you've lurked as long as you have. You seem to be buddying up springlullaby in that post a lot…are you agreeing with his comment about lurkers (which you don't even bring up)? Or is that overlooked because you are such a lurker yourself? If either comes up scum, I'll be looking at the other.
I think spring handled the attack on his 'intentional lurking is not anti town' comment well.
Alabaska wrote:Dear God people! It was sarcasm! Let's look at all (and I mean all) of Ranger's posts before then…
You mean Drunken Piper here ..
DP wrote:
ooba wrote:
DP 61:
I've read the bolded parts but it still seems to me as if RoTN was only against random voting if it starts with a day
Did you meta Ranger when he made the thought?
You would find my random voting (after day start) with glee, but I guess this is all for naught.

So please explain how I was incorrect.
and why didnt you check my meta, please interject.
Your 61 wrote:why you didnt quote the whole post?
especially where he gives random posting the roast.
I was just commenting on this section - you say he gives random voting the roast - He was just giving the 'starting the game with day' a roast and consequently said he will not random vote. He was not talking specifically about random voting as such.

Dean wrote:I would like to point out that I generally don't speak up the first day or so and prefer to just watch other players till I can get an accurate read on everyone.
This might be appropriate in RL mafia where you look at the other players - analyze reactions and then present your views , but online , you're not here if you don't post. Play the game ..
Rogueben wrote:Lurking day 1 - even if it is to get a read on everyone else is an anti-town strategy.
Lurking any day is bad :)
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:52 am

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Rogueben wrote: Does anyone have a meta on Dean? Does he play like this regardless of alignment?
Like I said, I got games confused as he is doing the same in another game atm. No confirmed alignments yet though.
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:13 am

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I meta'd him. He used to be very active in all his games, but lately, he's been slacking off. Lately, regardless of alignment, he has posted very little, not given a clear look into what he thinks of games, and disappeared for lengths of time.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:26 am

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Like a box of Neopolitan...
armlx wrote:
RossWilliam wrote:Even though he seems to contradict it once in a while, i get the sense that alabaska is just clumsy, possibly newb, town.
Thank you for this comment. If Al ends up being revealed as scum at some later point (possibly today), you are extremely suspect.
1) Ross had an earlier statement and FoS that stuck out to me on Al, as well.
2) By pointing this out, Ross is less likely to continue making this mistake (if it is, in fact, a true slip).
armlx wrote:L-2. Standard warning that anyone who votes Al from here until after he defends himself further is very suspect, and that anyone who ends up lhammering him between him making a full defense and claiming is even more suspect.
Why the heads up for anyone that wants to jump on Al? You could have said something like 'I want to hear from him before anyone hammers'.

And claiming? No. Al shouldn't claim. Unless he's a Vanilla townie. Scum shouldn't get off by claiming Power.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:33 am

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Gorckat:

On Ross: The slip has been made. He can't retract it. Pointing it out merely puts him on the radar of everyone.

The heads up is because I would rather have a legitimate discussion about the lynch of a player than a quick lynch most likely resulting in another quick lynch of someone who was possibly just being dumb. Quick lynches typically just cause things to spiral out of control for no reason.

Your stance on claims is very interesting. Confirmable roles do exist you know, and while I wouldn't immediately back off a non-confirmable power claim, its a legitimate thing to consider in a lynch.
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