Look how he's intentionally lining up completely incorrect teams
when I flip town you instalynch this
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1785 (isolation #201) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:30 pm
Postby Fro99er »
Nancy he thinks me you and jarjar are scum theater all together is a real possibility.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1787 (isolation #202) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:35 pm
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1778, mattblackguy wrote:(1) - I think is the most likely team
(2) - It's possible that Nancy bussed JarJar, and flipped on her reads after Rauth cleared RC, but I don't think that's too likely with how the Transcend wagon shaped out. It would mean both Vifam, and Jar were bussing Transcend for barely anything more than policy reasons. Transcend's lynch was easily avoidable given how little of a case was given on him, so I don't think they'd go with it that easily. Probably least likely team.
(3) - Someone else can go until more detail about this as a possibility. Probably second most likely team
(4) - Idk what to say about this one. Maybe someone else can give some input if they think this is likely.
(5) - For the same reason I think (2) is unlikely I think this one is unlikely.
(6) - This one would be a weird team. Idk the liklihood of this being the team.
Lol I missed this part. He thinks me you jar is least likely
but he thinks me jar sheep is second most likely. LOL
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1788 (isolation #203) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:36 pm
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1778, mattblackguy wrote:Keep pushing me Frog. I wanna see how it's going to work out for you.
It's going to work out great when I flip town you get powerlynched.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1790 (isolation #204) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:41 pm
Postby Fro99er »
Alright,
I'm going to do a big VCA so that when I'm dead and town you all can freaking listen to me. Don't hammer me before then. It'll probably be tonight after I watch some basketball and my wife goes to bed.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
I'm going to do a big VCA so that when I'm dead and town you all can freaking listen to me.
Don't hammer me before then.
It'll probably be tonight after I watch some basketball and my wife goes to bed.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1793 (isolation #206) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:43 pm
Postby Fro99er »
Then after I VCA I will self vote and be gone. It's not going against my win con to self vote if it helps town in the end.
There's literally nothing I can do to change RC's mind, and nancy is just going to follow RC, so yeah.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1798 (isolation #207) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:11 pm
Postby Fro99er »
food for thought
RC and I have played together 3 times before. We were both town each of the 3 times (Refraction, AngryPigeon's with mollie and pie that was a shitfest...JarJar was in that game too, and Varsoon's with FA that was also a shitfest). All three times he scumread me despite me being town.
We are both town here. Consider the fact that RC doesn't know how to read me. At all.
That's not an attack on RC
. That's just a fact that he hasn't been able to read me correctly, period. The same thing is happening here. Just take into consideration he hasn't been able to figure me out.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1799 (isolation #208) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:12 pm
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1796, nancy wrote:I mean scum!Fro99er here means that it might actually be LUV after all given how his stances on JJD and LUV were the only two hard stances he gave, I'd still be more inclined to think it's Sheep as the third though.
stop speculating on who my buddy is. I'm flipping town and then you can rethink things.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
I'd like you cleared because I know Fro99er's a good town player as well and supposedly Mastin2 is as well though I can't say I've played with her town game.
Just humor me, why are you 100% positive that Jar is town?
Although, RC actually did read me correctly after D2, so I wasn't 100% correct. He hard townread me the rest of the game.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1803 (isolation #211) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:30 pm
Postby Fro99er »
So, for when I die
I'm 100% positive Uzi is town.
I'm 90% positive Matt is scum. If he's scum the order I think his partners are is sheep -> Grendel/akarin (no preference, I'll try to sort that out through VCA)
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
I'd like you cleared because I know Fro99er's a good town player as well and supposedly Mastin2 is as well though I can't say I've played with her town game.
Just humor me, why are you 100% positive that Jar is town?
Although, RC actually did read me correctly after D2, so I wasn't 100% correct. He hard townread me the rest of the game.
(I should say in Varsoon's game I was playing as a hydra with Mastin called Masters of Bull...but I was the one doing most of the playing...Mastin was mostly absent until I replaced out)
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1805 (isolation #213) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:48 pm
Postby Fro99er »
In post 890, Grendel wrote:Also your Jar jar read. You seemed sure he was scum yesterday, but now its like he is the shining hero who is defeating evil RC for you. Like you reads coming into today seem to have flipped completely.
If Matt is scum, this basically rules Grendel out as Matt and Jar's partner.
This is EXACTLY what I found.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
By way of summary what was the nature of your scum-read of Transcend?
Already kinda answered this
In post 1097, JarJarDrinks wrote:It's a little of both. It's policy cause he's stubbornly refusing to play. But I also think it's scummy because I know he's capable of playing a solid game. If he'd start giving us real content, I'd probably move my vote.
So considering his play was anti-town and I know he's capable of much better, I lean scum on him.
So basically my vote was mainly to attempt to motivate him to start posting real content and if he didn't, I would have been happy to lynch him.
Looks like the replacement is already redeeming the slot w/ a vote on RC.
Probably not Jar Jar's partner here. VOTE: RC
You're not actually answering the question. You weren't policy voting him, but you know he's capable of more, so you have a scum read on him and are voting for him, but didn't really want to lynch him and were just voting him to motivate him and would have moved your vote if he posted more and the replacement is town because they're trying?
That sounds exactly like a policy vote that you don't want to admit is a policy vote.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1807 (isolation #215) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:55 pm
Postby Fro99er »
WTF, it cut off my text. Akarin is probably not jar jar's partner for ^^^
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1808 (isolation #216) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:56 pm
Postby Fro99er »
That would leave either nancy or sheep, and I highly doubt it's nancy as you'll see through VCA.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
And if you read sheep's ISO, he never actually pressures Grendel, other than with a vote. He just votes him and leaves it there and tells people it's about pressure, but DOESN'T ACTUALLY PRESSURE GRENDEL DIRECTLY BY PUSHING HIM OR ASKING HIM QUESITONS OR TRYING TO FIND SCUMMY PLAY FROM HIM.
There's more from sheep later. I just wanted to point this out.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1812 (isolation #218) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:12 pm
Postby Fro99er »
also post 815 basically rules out Uzi as scum with Jar. That's not a bus-push on Jar by Uzi.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 797, mattblackguy wrote:The fact that Keyser didn't make a vote outside of RVS yet was still active is a little concerning.
Either you did not fully read Day 1 or you are scum.
VOTE: mattblackguy
You can start by deconstructing your read of JarJarDrinks from Day 1 through to Day 2 (from scum-read to town-read)
GO!
Keyser also noticed what Grendel and I noticed!
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
Vote Count 2.7 above shows that Uzi was the counterwagon to JarJar, and if we assume Keyser is town (I think a reasonable assumption) then MBG is scum and Uzi is town. If MBG is scum, then my post 1805 shows Grendel is 100% town and my post 1815 shows Keyser is 100% town (which fits with the assumption).
The alternative is that Keyser is scum if Matt flips town
, and that would make sense given how they voted together D1 (and keyser voted matt), and then voted against each other D2, but ultimately ended up on the same wagon in Vote Count 2.7. They basically have to be opposite teams, so if Matt flips town it's almost guaranteed Keyser is scum.
But we can come to that game state later. First let's work with Matt!scum -- then Keyser, Uzi, and Grendel are town. So now I will redo the VCA with those colored in...
Spoiler: VCA with Uzi, Keyser, and Grendel as town and MBG as scum
In post 169, Alisae wrote:I might go dig up a vote count of what the Matt wagon looked like when it was big cuz that's important.
Done. This was its peak.
1.2
[L-7]
Alisae
-
[L-4]
Grendel
-
Keyser Söze
,
mattblackguy
, Cooperative Sheep
[L-7]
Akarin -
[L-5]
Rautherdir
-
Vifam
, Transcend
[L-5]
gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
[L-7]
JarJarDrinks
-
[L-7]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-7]
Transcend -
[L-7]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-7]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-7]
Vifam
-
[L-6]
mattblackguy
-
Lil Uzi Vert
[L-6]
RadiantCowbells
-
JarJarDrinks
,
1.3
[L-7]
Alisae
-
[L-5]
Grendel
- Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks
[L-7]
Akarin -
[L-6]
Rautherdir
- Transcend
[L-4]
gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
,
Grendel
[L-5]
JarJarDrinks
-
Vifam
,
mattblackguy
[L-7]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-6]
Transcend -
Rautherdir
[L-7]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-7]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Vifam
-
gerryoat
[L-6]
mattblackguy
-
Lil Uzi Vert
[L-7]
RadiantCowbells
-
1.4
[L-7]
Alisae
-
[L-5]
Grendel
- Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks
[L-7]
Akarin -
[L-7]
Rautherdir
-
[L-2]
gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
,
Grendel
,
Lil Uzi Vert
, Transcend
[L-5]
JarJarDrinks
-
Vifam
,
mattblackguy
[L-7]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-7]
Transcend -
[L-7]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-7]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Vifam
-
gerryoat
[L-7]
mattblackguy
-
[L-7]
RadiantCowbells
-
1.5 (FINAL)
[L-7]
Alisae
-
[L-6]
Grendel
- Cooperative Sheep,
[L-7]
Akarin -
[L-7]
Rautherdir
-
[LYNCH ACHIEVED]
gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
,
Grendel
,
Lil Uzi Vert
, Transcend,
JarJarDrinks
,
Vifam
[L-6]
JarJarDrinks
-
mattblackguy
[L-7]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-7]
Transcend -
[L-7]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-7]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Vifam
-
gerryoat
[L-7]
mattblackguy
-
[L-7]
RadiantCowbells
-
2.1
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-6]
Akarin -
[L-6]
Rautherdir
-
[L-6]
JarJarDrinks
-
[L-6]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-5]
Transcend - Cooperative Sheep
[L-5]
Cooperative Sheep - Transcend
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Vifam
-
Grendel
[L-3]
mattblackguy
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert
[L-4]
RadiantCowbells
-
JarJarDrinks
,
mattblackguy
2.2
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-5]
Akarin - Vifam
[L-4]
Rautherdir
-
RadiantCowbells
, Transcend
[L-6]
JarJarDrinks
-
[L-6]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-3]
Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,
Rautherdir
,
JarJarDrinks
[L-6]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-5]
Vifam
- Akarin
[L-4]
mattblackguy
-
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert
[L-5]
RadiantCowbells
-
mattblackguy
2.3
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-6]
Akarin -
[L-5]
Rautherdir
- Transcend
[L-6]
JarJarDrinks
-
[L-6]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-1]
Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,
Rautherdir
,
JarJarDrinks
,
Vifam
,
RadiantCowbells
[L-6]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-4]
Vifam
- Akarin,
mattblackguy
[L-4]
mattblackguy
-
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert
[L-6]
RadiantCowbells
-
2.4
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-6]
Akarin -
[L-6]
Rautherdir
-
[L-6]
JarJarDrinks
-
[L-6]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-1]
Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,
Rautherdir
,
JarJarDrinks
,
Vifam
,
RadiantCowbells
[L-6]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-3]
Vifam
- Akarin,
mattblackguy
, Transcend
[L-4]
mattblackguy
-
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert
[L-6]
RadiantCowbells
-
2.5
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-6]
Akarin -
[L-6]
Rautherdir
-
[L-4]
JarJarDrinks
- Akarin,
RadiantCowbells
[L-5]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
mattblackguy
[L-5]
nancy - Cooperative Sheep
[L-6]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Vifam
-
[L-5]
mattblackguy
-
Keyser Söze
[L-5]
RadiantCowbells
- nancy
2.6
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-6]
Akarin -
[L-6]
Rautherdir
-
[L-1]
JarJarDrinks
- Akarin, nancy,
Grendel
,
Lil Uzi Vert
,
Fro99er
[L-3]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
mattblackguy
,
Keyser Söze
,
RadiantCowbells
[L-4]
nancy - Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks
[L-6]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Fro99er
-
[L-6]
mattblackguy
-
[L-6]
RadiantCowbells
-
2.7
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-6]
Akarin -
[L-6]
Rautherdir
-
[LYNCH ACHIEVED]
JarJarDrinks
- Akarin,
Grendel
,
Lil Uzi Vert
, nancy,
Rautherdir
,
Fro99er
[L-3]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
mattblackguy
,
Keyser Söze
,
RadiantCowbells
[L-4]
nancy - Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks
[L-6]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Fro99er
-
[L-6]
mattblackguy
-
[L-6]
RadiantCowbells
-
Then it comes down to Akarin, Nancy, and Sheep. If we let Akarin be town for post 1806, then it comes down to Nancy and Sheep. Thankfully they cross vote each other in Vote Count 2.1 (when Nancy is still Transcend). It's more likely Nancy is town, because they voted JarJar and Sheep, plus also voting Matt between Vote Count 1.1 and 1.2, meaning they'd have voted for all three scum, although the Nancy/Transcend combo also voted four town in myself/Vifam, Rauth, RC, and Gerry. But that looks more like lost town. Sheep vote parked both days...D1 on Grendel (town) and D2 on Transcend/Nancy. Scum tend to have static reads, and the fact that Sheep didn't really case Grendel or Transcend (ok, he cased Transcend but it was REALLY weak) makes him more likely scum than Transcend/Nancy.
So tl;dr when I die it goes like this (in order):
lynch MBG...
if MBG scum then Sheep -> Nancy -> Akarin is the order for the partner to JJD/MBG. Uzi, Grendel, Keyser are town in this scenario.
if MBG town then Keyser -> ??? -> ??? ... but Uzi is still town in this scenario. I honestly can't narrow down who Keyser's partner would be in this scenario because he's parked on MBG and Uzi D2, and MBG and Grendel D1, and nobody has voted him in any of these Vote Counts.
In a really weird scenario where both MBG and Keyser are town, then 2.7 means Nancy was the counterwagon to scum JarJar, so Sheep is confscum here with either Akarin or Grendel.
Finally, there's some fucked up gamestate where RC and Rauth are both scum with JJD, but I really don't want to think about that. But RC does have that cunning manipulator banner...
Now I am fine with lynching me if you all need to.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1817 (isolation #221) » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:30 pm
Postby Fro99er »
DEAR TOWN. PLEASE READ THE POST JUST ABOVE THIS ONE WHEN I DIE. THANK YOU.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1821 (isolation #222) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:07 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1820, nancy wrote:And while I accept that there is potential scum motivation in much of their posts, it's hard to read the above for instance as simply a last-ditch self-save by scum!Fro99er.
i'm not trying to save myself at all
i'm trying to win the game for town, whether I'm dead or alive.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1822 (isolation #223) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:12 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1819, nancy wrote:I mean my SR on Fro99er is basically reliant on me reading the 1v1 with JJD as scum theater. I read it this way because JJD's tone was fake. RC's reasons for SRing Fro99er seem to be different to mine. Vifam was Town for me and Fro99er was mostly Town, but I can totally see the hardbus as well, hypothetically speaking. So essentially this doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence in flipping the slot.
If we're not flipping me, then we're flipping between MBG and Keyser because Uzi was the counterwagon to JarJar (and let's be clear, we're flipping MBG over Keyser)
It needs to be one of me or MBG today.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
LUV was the counterwagon to JarJar. 100% guaranteed.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
LUV had ZERO reason to make this post as scum unless we are scumbuddies.
As scum with me town (I'm town) he could have just kept pushing my slot.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1828 (isolation #226) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:18 am
Postby Fro99er »
So it's not a decision between me and LUV. If we flip me we get LUV's alignment for free. And when I flip town you'll see LUV is town and was the counterwagon to JarJar
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1830 (isolation #227) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:21 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1664, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Keyser: I think I already went over why I'm scum reading Matt but if I haven't I'll do so again. I found a lot of his play early on forced and felt like he was fence sitting. He's also recently been calling for my head but I don't think he's made any attempt to sort me or even has said why he's scum reading me.
I am scum reading Sheep mainly because of his push on the Transcend slot and PoE.
I didn't get why he was so focused on Transcend during D2 and it sort of pinged me because nothing really stood out to me from Transcend's play. When I looked back at their interactions on D1, all I saw was him explaining to Transcend in a sort of condescending tone about why there was a wagon on Grendel and him confirming who he is to Transcend. The latter came off more snobbish and patronizing then the former. It read like he was projecting a level of importance that he felt he rightfully earned at that point of the game which was very odd. This lead me to believe throughout my reread that there will be various play style and personality clashes between the two and that a lot of what they'll be scum reading each other for will be overblown.
At the start of D2, he voted Transcend and then I believe states he voted for him because of effort and his suspect voting pattern on D1. Effort is NAI. The second point however is a valid point but if you take a look back on D1, I believe Transcend voted for at least 4-5 different people before voting for Gerry according to my notes. What Sheep fails to acknowledge is that lot of those votes where in RVS and that scum would prefer not to bring that much attention themselves by voting like it's going out of style.
Sheep later on questions Transcend about his take on the Gerry and Grendel's wagons but does it in such a way that comes off like he's trying to show others that Transcend is stating his theories as fact. Now I have no idea why Transcend really didn't answer these questions from Sheep but his attitude seemed carefree and just genuine. I think scum would be more alert, more on guard, and try to look as pro-town as possible. Transcend did the exact opposite and while it could've been just an act, I find the simplest explanation always the most probable.
Here we are now and he's pushing nancy over her claiming immediately on replacement and only looking at the vote counts. Which is weird but doesn't make her scum. The latter however is a very bad angle to push in my opinion. Various players on this site put a lot of stock into VCA and nancy may just be one of them. Wouldn't surprise me to be honest since I've heard a lot of good things about her play. He's essentially scum reading her for play style rather than looking for the motivation of her actions.
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@Mod: I'll be v/LA till the 16th. Valentines Day.
V/LA noted
This is also why LUV is town. You'll see after I flip.
It's NOT a decision between me and LUV. We're aligned together, either as both town or as both scum. I'm happy to sacrifice myself so you guys can get to lynching ACTUAL scum.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1831 (isolation #228) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:28 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1829, nancy wrote:There were 2 potential counterwagons to JJD and I was one of them.
Ok, and in the case where LUV isn't a counterwagon then he and I are scum together. Period.
So from your perspective you should just lynch me or realize that LUV was indeed a counterwagon, not just a potential one.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1834 (isolation #229) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:32 am
Postby Fro99er »
No objections here.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1836 (isolation #230) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:34 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1832, Keyser Söze wrote:If I go back to the lynch wagon, if I remove town/RC/JarJar that leaves:
Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Nancy, frogger
And because Uzi and I HAVE to be aligned together, it shows we're both town. I guess I could be scum and Uzi town, but Uzi is conftown. He was a D2 counterwagon (possibly Nancy was too, but I'm 100% positive on Uzi).
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1837 (isolation #231) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:34 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1835, Keyser Söze wrote:Stop saying 'sacrifice you' Frogger, that will only fuel people to want to lynch you
I'm fine with people lynching me. It will help town actually win for me to die so RC can get out of his wormhole.
Then we can get on with lynching Matt then Sheep.
I called that team yesterday. I stand by it.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1838 (isolation #232) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:35 am
Postby Fro99er »
Man if I nailed this scum team exactly on my replace in that would be epic.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1839 (isolation #233) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:37 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1835, Keyser Söze wrote:Stop saying 'sacrifice you' Frogger, that will only fuel people to want to lynch you
sacrificing yourself for the good of town is a noble and worthy thing. I am happy to do so.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 890, Grendel wrote:Also your Jar jar read. You seemed sure he was scum yesterday, but now its like he is the shining hero who is defeating evil RC for you. Like you reads coming into today seem to have flipped completely.
If Matt is scum, this basically rules Grendel out as Matt and Jar's partner.
This is EXACTLY what I found.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1844 (isolation #235) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:43 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1841, Keyser Söze wrote:I don't like frogger lining up my lynch after a matt-town flip but I will allow it as I am not a tier 1 t/read.
From your perspective, matt should be confscum to you. Uzi is conftown for the reasons I explained.
The Uzi wagon was you, RC, and MBG and it was the counter to JarJar. So either you or MBG is scum.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
unless he and I are scum together, but you, Keyser, ruled out myself and Uzi as scum together because we are in the group of 4 where there can only be 1 scum per VCA. And there was zero reason for a scum uzi to back off of a town me.
Hence Uzi is conftown.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1847 (isolation #237) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:47 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1846, Keyser Söze wrote:You presenting us this 1 for 1 trade is a logical fallacy. It can be used as both town or scum.
It's not a logical fallacy. Lynching me will be good for town so we can get on with lynching MBG then Sheep
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
unless he and I are scum together, but you, Keyser, ruled out myself and Uzi as scum together because we are in the group of 4 where there can only be
a maximum of
1 scum per VCA. And there was zero reason for a scum uzi to back off of a town me.
Hence Uzi is conftown.
EBWOP
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1856 (isolation #240) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:58 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1851, Keyser Söze wrote:I have all the time in the world to evaluate everyone.
I am in no rush to lynch my scum-reads.
I want to scrutinise my town-reads first.
Through D1 VCA, I have already highlighted how through PoE at least of my t/reads can be scum (plus, ruled out potential scum-teams).
I've already done the VCA and shown why it has to be Matt and Sheep barring some crazy circumstances.
I freaking hate how we drag games out to deadline every day. Such a waste of time.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1857 (isolation #241) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:59 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1855, RadiantCowbells wrote:If you try to lynch MBG today I will lynch you and then prevent MBG from being lynched the rest of the day.
You can't lynch people by yourself.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1861 (isolation #242) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:10 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1859, RadiantCowbells wrote:Bluntly I don't like you this game. I don't trust at all how you took the wagon that was my brainchild and went ballistic pushing it and and trying to act like it was your own.
It feels like an attempt to jack towncred from the legwork that I and others pulled and I don't at all understand how you were so certain in your scumread on the slot to the point that you basically said PL me if this is town.
It feels ridiculously exaggerated, it feels like a bus, it feels like you're scum, and I don't fucking like your predecessor's associatives with flipped scum.
well you're wrong and I've called the scumteam. 'it was my own read. I have played several times with Jar and that's just NOT how he plays as town.
I'm sorry you aren't reading me correctly. I'm just that convinced of things so of course I'm going to sound certain.
pedit: i'm not going to shut the fuck up. I've solved the game. I'm the town leader here...even in death.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1863 (isolation #243) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:12 am
Postby Fro99er »
The best part is, I replaced in and within minutes I was giving MY OWN OPINIONS on Jar. I wasn't jacking anyone's reads.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1869 (isolation #244) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:29 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1868, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Sounds like you're making things personal and I don't understand why. You're practically confirmed town, work with us.
He's always had personal beef with me.
I wouldn't have replaced in had I looked at the player list. Was just trying to do Pine a solid. Lesson learned on my end.
I'm gonna play nice tho.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1870 (isolation #245) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:30 am
Postby Fro99er »
Uzi who do you think is scum? You're conftown in my book
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1871 (isolation #246) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:52 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1832, Keyser Söze wrote:Removing town/Rauth, that leaves a group of 3: Matt, Akarin, Sheep. At least 1 of these is guaranteed to be scum. Potentially 2 if only scum-JarJar was on gerry's wagon.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1872 (isolation #247) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:54 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1832, Keyser Söze wrote:If I go back to the lynch wagon, if I remove town/RC/JarJar that leaves:
Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Nancy, frogger
If there's 2 in Sheep/Akarin/Matt then there's zero in this group obv.
Or at most there's 1 in this group if there's 1 in Sheep/Akarin/Matt
So unless all three scum were on the Gerry wagon, we should be lynching in Sheep/Akarin/Matt.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1875 (isolation #248) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:24 am
Postby Fro99er »
Yeah, Jar multiple times said there's no way both Matt and RC are town. But then after RC got confirmed town, he still townread matt, because he didn't want to flip on matt. I think it's very bad news for matt.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 963, JarJarDrinks wrote:RC scum still makes more sense. But Town RC/Town Matt makes no sense.
If town RC + town Matt makes no sense, why didn't Jar Jar go vote Matt after RC got confirmed town?
GEE I WONDER WHY
Because matt gave a good explanation for what I thought was scummy.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1877 (isolation #250) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:26 am
Postby Fro99er »
A good explanation for what I thought is scummy doesn't change the associative between RC and Matt that Jar was painting.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1882 (isolation #251) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:12 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1879, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like, I don't dislike the MBG case. I seem to recall that I pushed it. But I don't want anyone, Fro99er included, pushing town to end today in the first 24 hours. That's how towns that are doing well end up throwing.
Fair enough.
I disagree, but that's a philosophical difference we have there. I'm glad there's no more personal beef between us. I don't want there to be.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
100%? You are in no position to state this.
Please confirm.
I am in every way in position to state this.
He was the counterwagon to JarJar. Yourself, MBG, and RC voted him. From your perspective he's either caught scum or MBG is scum. Unless you really believe it was an all town wagon on town, despite town lynching scum yesterday.
(In that case, you should be heavily suspecting Sheep, because Nancy was also a counterwagon with JarJar and Sheep voting her).
In short, you should be suspecting either sheep or MBG today.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1894 (isolation #253) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:35 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1891, RadiantCowbells wrote:He was the counterwagon to JJD pushed by someone who is confirmed clear. Why can't the duelling wagons have been SvS?
I guess they could have been, which would make uzi scum and MBG probably town.
I really really believe Uzi is town though. I've stated several times why. If you chose to disagree that's fine. I'm sticking with my read.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 1891, RadiantCowbells wrote:He was the counterwagon to JJD pushed by someone who is confirmed clear. Why can't the duelling wagons have been SvS?
I guess they could have been, which would make uzi scum and MBG probably town.
I really really believe Uzi is town though. I've stated several times why. If you chose to disagree that's fine. I'm sticking with my read.
And in fairness, if Uzi is scum it should mean I'm his scum partner given the way he backed off of my slot D1. So I can see from your POV why you think Uzi and I are a team...especially with my defense of him.
That's why a frog flip does so many good things for this game. I'm dead serious.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1897 (isolation #255) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:39 am
Postby Fro99er »
I'll look into that.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1901 (isolation #256) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:42 am
Postby Fro99er »
The only hesitation from a VCA standpoint on Uzi/Nancy is they both would have bussed JarJar, and when I unvoted it would have been the perfect time for them to move off Jar and onto something else and they didn't.
Now I'll look from an associative standpoint with each other and with Jar.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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Post #1902 (isolation #257) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:43 am
Postby Fro99er »
In post 1898, Keyser Söze wrote:Only Rauth can call someone 100% town.
You t/clearing non-confirmed players and narrowing down the lynch pool only narrows our focus (anti-town).
Anyone is up for the lynch (including me) except for RC and Rauth.
Hard defending a player without an investigation just causes a distraction.
don't tell me how to play
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
I'm going to keep coming back to this. If Jar and Uzi were scum together, he could have eliminated Jar from his pool of four...not my slot.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
He was NEVER going to be lynched. I was pushing that fucking wagon for reactions. Whatever.
Grendel is scum to me right now. I don't see him genuinely trying to sort alignments in that whole exchange with RC. JJD is scum and one of LUV/matt are scum. Game is pretty much solved imo.
VOTE: JJD
In post 1489, nancy wrote:RC I fully intended to push you until I had all the information on scumspects I needed. It got cut short just when things were starting to get juicy, but at least we got something out of it.
Fro99er Vifam claimed to be unlynchable. Do you have anything to say about this?
UNVOTE:
Don't like scum having hammer right now.
In post 1617, nancy wrote:Yeah idk maybe I was wrong about scum theater, RC reminding me how dumb paranoia is. I can actually buy JJD MBG Sheep, just look at the counterwagons right now.
I'm gonna flip this and I TR the whole fucking wagon if it flips red. Except maybe Grendel. He can be a null.
VOTE: JJD
IDK, Nancy could have voted elsewhere instead of hopping back on JarJar when the wagon dropped from L-1 to L-2. Instead she put him back at L-1
JarJar also really pushed her on her reaction test. I don't really see that as a SvS interaction, but I could be wrong.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend