"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
I'd like you cleared because I know Fro99er's a good town player as well and supposedly Mastin2 is as well though I can't say I've played with her town game.
Just humor me, why are you 100% positive that Jar is town?
Although, RC actually did read me correctly after D2, so I wasn't 100% correct. He hard townread me the rest of the game.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
I'm 90% positive Matt is scum. If he's scum the order I think his partners are is sheep -> Grendel/akarin (no preference, I'll try to sort that out through VCA)
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
I'd like you cleared because I know Fro99er's a good town player as well and supposedly Mastin2 is as well though I can't say I've played with her town game.
Just humor me, why are you 100% positive that Jar is town?
Although, RC actually did read me correctly after D2, so I wasn't 100% correct. He hard townread me the rest of the game.
(I should say in Varsoon's game I was playing as a hydra with Mastin called Masters of Bull...but I was the one doing most of the playing...Mastin was mostly absent until I replaced out)
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 890, Grendel wrote:Also your Jar jar read. You seemed sure he was scum yesterday, but now its like he is the shining hero who is defeating evil RC for you. Like you reads coming into today seem to have flipped completely.
If Matt is scum, this basically rules Grendel out as Matt and Jar's partner.
This is EXACTLY what I found.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
By way of summary what was the nature of your scum-read of Transcend?
Already kinda answered this
In post 1097, JarJarDrinks wrote:It's a little of both. It's policy cause he's stubbornly refusing to play. But I also think it's scummy because I know he's capable of playing a solid game. If he'd start giving us real content, I'd probably move my vote.
So considering his play was anti-town and I know he's capable of much better, I lean scum on him.
So basically my vote was mainly to attempt to motivate him to start posting real content and if he didn't, I would have been happy to lynch him.
Looks like the replacement is already redeeming the slot w/ a vote on RC.
Probably not Jar Jar's partner here. VOTE: RC
You're not actually answering the question. You weren't policy voting him, but you know he's capable of more, so you have a scum read on him and are voting for him, but didn't really want to lynch him and were just voting him to motivate him and would have moved your vote if he posted more and the replacement is town because they're trying?
That sounds exactly like a policy vote that you don't want to admit is a policy vote.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
WTF, it cut off my text. Akarin is probably not jar jar's partner for ^^^
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
That would leave either nancy or sheep, and I highly doubt it's nancy as you'll see through VCA.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
And if you read sheep's ISO, he never actually pressures Grendel, other than with a vote. He just votes him and leaves it there and tells people it's about pressure, but DOESN'T ACTUALLY PRESSURE GRENDEL DIRECTLY BY PUSHING HIM OR ASKING HIM QUESITONS OR TRYING TO FIND SCUMMY PLAY FROM HIM.
There's more from sheep later. I just wanted to point this out.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
I didn't make plans for what to do during the night, so I need to look everything over again in the light of JJD being scum. Also,
@pine:
I will have limited access until Thursday.
I'm not saying we can't vote and discuss who we should lynch, I'm just saying we should wait until everyone catches up and gets the chance to say what they want.
also post 815 basically rules out Uzi as scum with Jar. That's not a bus-push on Jar by Uzi.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
That's why I didn't want a "Fro99er vs JarJar 1v1" - I knew it would only cause suspicion (via WIFOM).
At the end of the D2 I was locked into a JarJar-LUV-Matt scum team theory. I'm going to take a step back from that for the moment because I felt the associations fit too easily. I'm going to look at my town leans/reads first (excluding RC and Rauth who are my constants).
Like Pine said, no toxic play ladies and gents. We can talk this through.
In post 797, mattblackguy wrote:The fact that Keyser didn't make a vote outside of RVS yet was still active is a little concerning.
Either you did not fully read Day 1 or you are scum.
VOTE: mattblackguy
You can start by deconstructing your read of JarJarDrinks from Day 1 through to Day 2 (from scum-read to town-read)
GO!
Keyser also noticed what Grendel and I noticed!
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
Vote Count 2.7 above shows that Uzi was the counterwagon to JarJar, and if we assume Keyser is town (I think a reasonable assumption) then MBG is scum and Uzi is town. If MBG is scum, then my post 1805 shows Grendel is 100% town and my post 1815 shows Keyser is 100% town (which fits with the assumption).
The alternative is that Keyser is scum if Matt flips town
, and that would make sense given how they voted together D1 (and keyser voted matt), and then voted against each other D2, but ultimately ended up on the same wagon in Vote Count 2.7. They basically have to be opposite teams, so if Matt flips town it's almost guaranteed Keyser is scum.
But we can come to that game state later. First let's work with Matt!scum -- then Keyser, Uzi, and Grendel are town. So now I will redo the VCA with those colored in...
Spoiler: VCA with Uzi, Keyser, and Grendel as town and MBG as scum
In post 169, Alisae wrote:I might go dig up a vote count of what the Matt wagon looked like when it was big cuz that's important.
Done. This was its peak.
1.2
[L-7]
Alisae
-
[L-4]
Grendel
-
Keyser Söze
,
mattblackguy
, Cooperative Sheep
[L-7]
Akarin -
[L-5]
Rautherdir
-
Vifam
, Transcend
[L-5]
gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
[L-7]
JarJarDrinks
-
[L-7]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-7]
Transcend -
[L-7]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-7]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-7]
Vifam
-
[L-6]
mattblackguy
-
Lil Uzi Vert
[L-6]
RadiantCowbells
-
JarJarDrinks
,
1.3
[L-7]
Alisae
-
[L-5]
Grendel
- Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks
[L-7]
Akarin -
[L-6]
Rautherdir
- Transcend
[L-4]
gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
,
Grendel
[L-5]
JarJarDrinks
-
Vifam
,
mattblackguy
[L-7]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-6]
Transcend -
Rautherdir
[L-7]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-7]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Vifam
-
gerryoat
[L-6]
mattblackguy
-
Lil Uzi Vert
[L-7]
RadiantCowbells
-
1.4
[L-7]
Alisae
-
[L-5]
Grendel
- Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks
[L-7]
Akarin -
[L-7]
Rautherdir
-
[L-2]
gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
,
Grendel
,
Lil Uzi Vert
, Transcend
[L-5]
JarJarDrinks
-
Vifam
,
mattblackguy
[L-7]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-7]
Transcend -
[L-7]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-7]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Vifam
-
gerryoat
[L-7]
mattblackguy
-
[L-7]
RadiantCowbells
-
1.5 (FINAL)
[L-7]
Alisae
-
[L-6]
Grendel
- Cooperative Sheep,
[L-7]
Akarin -
[L-7]
Rautherdir
-
[LYNCH ACHIEVED]
gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
,
Grendel
,
Lil Uzi Vert
, Transcend,
JarJarDrinks
,
Vifam
[L-6]
JarJarDrinks
-
mattblackguy
[L-7]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-7]
Transcend -
[L-7]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-7]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Vifam
-
gerryoat
[L-7]
mattblackguy
-
[L-7]
RadiantCowbells
-
2.1
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-6]
Akarin -
[L-6]
Rautherdir
-
[L-6]
JarJarDrinks
-
[L-6]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-5]
Transcend - Cooperative Sheep
[L-5]
Cooperative Sheep - Transcend
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Vifam
-
Grendel
[L-3]
mattblackguy
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert
[L-4]
RadiantCowbells
-
JarJarDrinks
,
mattblackguy
2.2
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-5]
Akarin - Vifam
[L-4]
Rautherdir
-
RadiantCowbells
, Transcend
[L-6]
JarJarDrinks
-
[L-6]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-3]
Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,
Rautherdir
,
JarJarDrinks
[L-6]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-5]
Vifam
- Akarin
[L-4]
mattblackguy
-
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert
[L-5]
RadiantCowbells
-
mattblackguy
2.3
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-6]
Akarin -
[L-5]
Rautherdir
- Transcend
[L-6]
JarJarDrinks
-
[L-6]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-1]
Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,
Rautherdir
,
JarJarDrinks
,
Vifam
,
RadiantCowbells
[L-6]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-4]
Vifam
- Akarin,
mattblackguy
[L-4]
mattblackguy
-
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert
[L-6]
RadiantCowbells
-
2.4
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-6]
Akarin -
[L-6]
Rautherdir
-
[L-6]
JarJarDrinks
-
[L-6]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
[L-1]
Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,
Rautherdir
,
JarJarDrinks
,
Vifam
,
RadiantCowbells
[L-6]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-3]
Vifam
- Akarin,
mattblackguy
, Transcend
[L-4]
mattblackguy
-
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert
[L-6]
RadiantCowbells
-
2.5
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-6]
Akarin -
[L-6]
Rautherdir
-
[L-4]
JarJarDrinks
- Akarin,
RadiantCowbells
[L-5]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
mattblackguy
[L-5]
nancy - Cooperative Sheep
[L-6]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Vifam
-
[L-5]
mattblackguy
-
Keyser Söze
[L-5]
RadiantCowbells
- nancy
2.6
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-6]
Akarin -
[L-6]
Rautherdir
-
[L-1]
JarJarDrinks
- Akarin, nancy,
Grendel
,
Lil Uzi Vert
,
Fro99er
[L-3]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
mattblackguy
,
Keyser Söze
,
RadiantCowbells
[L-4]
nancy - Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks
[L-6]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Fro99er
-
[L-6]
mattblackguy
-
[L-6]
RadiantCowbells
-
2.7
[L-6]
Grendel
-
[L-6]
Akarin -
[L-6]
Rautherdir
-
[LYNCH ACHIEVED]
JarJarDrinks
- Akarin,
Grendel
,
Lil Uzi Vert
, nancy,
Rautherdir
,
Fro99er
[L-3]
Lil Uzi Vert
-
mattblackguy
,
Keyser Söze
,
RadiantCowbells
[L-4]
nancy - Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks
[L-6]
Cooperative Sheep -
[L-6]
Keyser Söze
-
[L-6]
Fro99er
-
[L-6]
mattblackguy
-
[L-6]
RadiantCowbells
-
Then it comes down to Akarin, Nancy, and Sheep. If we let Akarin be town for post 1806, then it comes down to Nancy and Sheep. Thankfully they cross vote each other in Vote Count 2.1 (when Nancy is still Transcend). It's more likely Nancy is town, because they voted JarJar and Sheep, plus also voting Matt between Vote Count 1.1 and 1.2, meaning they'd have voted for all three scum, although the Nancy/Transcend combo also voted four town in myself/Vifam, Rauth, RC, and Gerry. But that looks more like lost town. Sheep vote parked both days...D1 on Grendel (town) and D2 on Transcend/Nancy. Scum tend to have static reads, and the fact that Sheep didn't really case Grendel or Transcend (ok, he cased Transcend but it was REALLY weak) makes him more likely scum than Transcend/Nancy.
So tl;dr when I die it goes like this (in order):
lynch MBG...
if MBG scum then Sheep -> Nancy -> Akarin is the order for the partner to JJD/MBG. Uzi, Grendel, Keyser are town in this scenario.
if MBG town then Keyser -> ??? -> ??? ... but Uzi is still town in this scenario. I honestly can't narrow down who Keyser's partner would be in this scenario because he's parked on MBG and Uzi D2, and MBG and Grendel D1, and nobody has voted him in any of these Vote Counts.
In a really weird scenario where both MBG and Keyser are town, then 2.7 means Nancy was the counterwagon to scum JarJar, so Sheep is confscum here with either Akarin or Grendel.
Finally, there's some fucked up gamestate where RC and Rauth are both scum with JJD, but I really don't want to think about that. But RC does have that cunning manipulator banner...
Now I am fine with lynching me if you all need to.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
DEAR TOWN. PLEASE READ THE POST JUST ABOVE THIS ONE WHEN I DIE. THANK YOU.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 1749, nancy wrote:{Fro99er, Keyser, RC}
{Akarin, LUV}
{}
{Sheep}
{Grendel, MBG}
Why did you leave out Rauth's name?
You thought he would/should be dead?
Yeah, my reads are in a notepad file, I just copy pasted without realizing. Rauth is a TR obviously.
It looks like Sheep is scum to most people in most scenarios. This might be a better alternative to mbg/Fro99er? We really need to flip the roleblocker today, that's kind of at the forefront of my mind.
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
I mean my SR on Fro99er is basically reliant on me reading the 1v1 with JJD as scum theater. I read it this way because JJD's tone was fake. RC's reasons for SRing Fro99er seem to be different to mine. Vifam was Town for me and Fro99er was mostly Town, but I can totally see the hardbus as well, hypothetically speaking. So essentially this doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence in flipping the slot.
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
And while I accept that there is potential scum motivation in much of their posts, it's hard to read the above for instance as simply a last-ditch self-save by scum!Fro99er.
hi meet my mafiascum gravestone, the flowers were probably left by camn or schadd or Prism, blow them kisses for me would you?
In post 1820, nancy wrote:And while I accept that there is potential scum motivation in much of their posts, it's hard to read the above for instance as simply a last-ditch self-save by scum!Fro99er.
i'm not trying to save myself at all
i'm trying to win the game for town, whether I'm dead or alive.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 1819, nancy wrote:I mean my SR on Fro99er is basically reliant on me reading the 1v1 with JJD as scum theater. I read it this way because JJD's tone was fake. RC's reasons for SRing Fro99er seem to be different to mine. Vifam was Town for me and Fro99er was mostly Town, but I can totally see the hardbus as well, hypothetically speaking. So essentially this doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence in flipping the slot.
If we're not flipping me, then we're flipping between MBG and Keyser because Uzi was the counterwagon to JarJar (and let's be clear, we're flipping MBG over Keyser)
It needs to be one of me or MBG today.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend