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That's what a jailkeeper isIn post 2173, RadiantCowbells wrote:But scum could have a blocker"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend-
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Like if Fro99er is scum he is doing a major disservice to his buddy with this suicidal behavior. I'd like to think a scum Frog wouldn't force himself to be lynched as scum when it'd force another scum to play the rest of the game solo.In post 2160, Fro99er wrote:
I can't win either way.In post 2159, Fro99er wrote:
No.In post 2155, RadiantCowbells wrote:can we just lynch LUV or something
Because when he flips town you'll just accuse me of being scum who knew he was town
Either I'm scum who knew he was town or I'm his scumbuddy if he flips scum.
Just lynch me
Unless his partner is stationed to go deep or something?
I figured it would be a -meh- role in a closed game.RadiantCowbells wrote:BP is an unprovable usually scum claim. And unless it goes to someone dangerous it is usually not a huge deal for scum.
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It's a very meh role in a closed game. Fro99er doesn't really understand what he's talking about. Some NRG reviewers would block it on policy because of the edge case where it goes to someone who lynches 3 scum in a row while eating 3 nightkills but it's overall not considered very powerful. In a jailkeeper set up I'd even say that it's meant to be negative utility; make it unclear whether the JK blocked anyone.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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I think you could be right
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And then who is scum with Nancy?In post 2181, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't want your slot in LyLo. JJD may have set it up but the way he was only pushing back against you makes me feel like you're his scumbuddy hard bussing him."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend-
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Anyway I don't have any site meta to back this up but I don't bus. I don't like bussing I think it's a shitty gimmick people use when they don't have the skill to play scum properly and the current bus-heavy meta is something I could really do without.
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I am offended at that suggestion.In post 2186, nancy wrote:Anyway I don't have any site meta to back this up but I don't bus. I don't like bussing I think it's a shitty gimmick people use when they don't have the skill to play scum properly and the current bus-heavy meta is something I could really do without.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Well I'm sorry it's my opinion
Bussing is only required IMO if you don't have the ability to outmaneouvre and misdirect Town with pure skill play and coordination. You shouldn't ever need to kill your own teammate in order to win. Aiming for a perfect win in every single game is something that imo people don't do enough. They're content to ride it to LyLo and hopefully win there by PoE. This is why there are so many lurkers on MS. They're both related as I see it. But I'm a newbshit so I really don't have any idea what I'm talking about.
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=61784
Not skilled play / coordination? Bussing is hard to do well, y'know.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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I've never bussed in any of my scum games either. It always seemed to work against what is supposed to be a team game. That's not to say that if I thought a bus could win me the game that I wouldn't take it though. But if everybody just "didn't bus", then town would mop up almost every game. Because a scum wagon would clear everybody on it.
Which wouldn't be fair, or fun-
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VCA doesn't support thisIn post 2184, RadiantCowbells wrote:Basically anyone could be."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend-
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Fro99er how did you get a scumread on JJD so quickly after replacing in? Your first read is "JJD is probably scum" in your 3rd ISO post. 1433
Why did you choose to give a running commentary as you were doing your catchup read? 1431, 1432, 1434
Why did you claim in 1444 when there was no pressure on your slot?
Why did you focus so heavily on your read of LUV? You didn't really go into significant detail on other slots.
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I take your point, but none of this would exist if bussing wasn't so prevalent. Turning bussing into coordinated team play is necessary adaptation to the meta, it's the meta I don't like.In post 2190, RadiantCowbells wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=61784
Not skilled play / coordination? Bussing is hard to do well, y'know.
If scum is getting run up then the scumteam has fucked up somewhere and that's what should be addressed. Bussing is just "welp, we played bad, guess we better kill each other to hide the fact". Obviously you have to mix up your meta every now and then to keep Town healthily paranoid but there's a bus in every single game I'm in it seems like and it's just ridiculous.In post 2191, Grendel wrote:I've never bussed in any of my scum games either. It always seemed to work against what is supposed to be a team game. That's not to say that if I thought a bus could win me the game that I wouldn't take it though. But if everybody just "didn't bus", then town would mop up almost every game. Because a scum wagon would clear everybody on it.
Which wouldn't be fair, or fun
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How many times do i have to say this.In post 2193, nancy wrote:Fro99er how did you get a scumread on JJD so quickly after replacing in? Your first read is "JJD is probably scum" in your 3rd ISO post. 1433
I've played with town Jar 3 times when i was town so i've had to figure out his town game.
This wasn't it. He doesn't give shallow reads like he did on RC.
Town Jar figures out if RC could have fake claimed D1 as town. Period."I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend-
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Because I replaced in and was giving my thoughts as I read themIn post 2193, nancy wrote:Why did you choose to give a running commentary as you were doing your catchup read? 1431, 1432, 1434"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend-
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Because if I claim and it doesn't jive with my predecessors then that's not good. So I basciallybclaimed right away to show you all that that if my predecessor claimed that it jives with mineIn post 2193, nancy wrote:Why did you claim in 1444 when there was no pressure on your slot?
And if they didn't then me claiming VT doesn't hurt town
Why did you claim VT so soon after replacing in?"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend-
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Because I developed a strong read there.In post 2193, nancy wrote:Why did you focus so heavily on your read of LUV? You didn't really go into significant detail on other slots.
I've already said why"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend-
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I thought I was at L-1.
I'm sorry to go over this shit again I'm just trying to figure out if this just paranoia or if there's actual scum motivation to what I think I'm seeing. Work with me?
Claiming kinda does hurt Town because you're giving scumteam information for NKs.
Have you played without anyone else besides RC?
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