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I disagree. Establishing scumteams is a great way to POE people into your town block. For example, we will number players 1-11. Everyone starts off as scum in your book. Over the course of the day, numbers 5-11 have all earned town points, and you have moved them into your town block. Numbers 1-4 are still in your scum block as they have not earned any town points. Number 1 has scumtold, and is the scummiest of the block. After reading interactions between 1 and 2, you determine that it couldn't be scum interaction, so 2 is moved to your townblock. Etc.In post 34, The_Jester wrote:Trying to establish scumteams isn't relevant until the first scumflip anyway.-
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I have 2 people in my town block, and 1 person I know is scum.
I don't have any relevant experience with anyone in this game. I have off-site chat mafia experience with Gamma and gerryoat, but not enough to deem useful.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
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It was more of a feel. Do you know how when you start up a conversation with someone or call them out for something (something weak, not something that's damning) and you are trying to determine if it came from scum or town? Well when conversing with him I got this strong feeling I was engaged in a TvT and I didn't peg a scum, so I decided to end it before it blew up. I was hoping I pegged a scum but I don't think I did.. Hence the unvote and proclamation of his towniness.In post 73, The_Jester wrote:Snake's quick unvote after being so convinced his target's scum when Gamma didn't even provide much of a defense seems like poor attempt of trying to appear active which I don't like. Could be seen as scum soft pushing scum to distance themselves but it's too early to say. I must commend Snake for his observation though.
This, however, can only be a few things:VictorDeAngelo wrote:My vote on eagerSnake is now a serious vote.
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Yeah, sorry, I explained this in my last post but to reiterate it was the feeling I got when engaging him about his alignment. From my shoes it was a really townie feeling, not a scummy feeling.In post 72, gerryoat wrote:Why does Gamma feel like town? I feel like what he's said is basically what I've said when it comes to the setup. Also, I still think it's not needed to talk about what kinda PRs we have
Probably a good time to tell you all that I have Asperger's so I may not be able to completely convey my thought process and therefore you may not completely understand my postings but you can rest assured I always put plenty of thought into it. Hopefully knowing this fact will help you read my posts better and maybe understand why I post what I post when I post it as you now understand where I am coming from. I should probably just put this fact in my signature.-
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Scum do this because if they get away with it they can push for a town lynch without having to actually build a case themselves. I think scum hate building a case against town. When they build a case against town, especially this early, they know it would be forced and full of misreps and would therefore make them look scummy. They tend to more so piggy-back off others and they much more prefer to subtly swing momentum towards a town lynch without having to make any personal statements as of why they think that player is scum. Notice how it came 5 minutes after The Jester's post and how there is no comment as to why it is now serious.-
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I think one motive for pushing people off of scum reading early would be if your partners are coming under a lot heat
Not saying that's what gerry's motivation is because a lot of people just plainly don't like developing weak reads early on for whatever reason, just like a lot of people don't like setup spec.-
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So you admit to be one of the 3 things I mentioned. Which one are you?
I reckon I could probably take a random post in this game, make the same statement and it would probably hold up.In post 80, eagerSnake wrote:
This, however, can only be a few things:VictorDeAngelo wrote:My vote on eagerSnake is now a serious vote.
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If he says that it would probably hold up against any random post, then he is insinuating it probably holds up against his post, too.In post 141, Gamma Emerald wrote:I really don't understand that bit about the random post holding up. Could you explain a little more, Eager?
Why not?In post 142, VictorDeAngelo wrote:If I have an ulterior motive I'm not going to admit to it. If I'm lazy I'm not going to admit that either.
I think there are better lynches for today than Gamma, I still tr him more from earlier than others.In post 149, Grendel wrote:@Snakebuddy, Do you still think Gamma is town?
Readlists are boring. We'll try not to be too noisy. We'll only do like 4-5 people.The_Jester wrote:Can't you both just post readlists? It would create much less noise pollution.-
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I agree with Victor not pursuing his scumread on RhazhBash, or pursuing any other scumread for that matter. Which is funny because he says this:In post 206, Grendel wrote:Victor is something of a null read for me. His town read on Gamma bothers me, but It seems most ppl are cool with Gamma so that tr might not lead anywhere, (that is assuming Gam is scumz). His interaction with CCC is weird in a way I can't seem to pin point yet. I think the worst thing about Victor is that he hasn't pushed the person he is currently voting, Rhazbash, at all. Instead opting to have this convo with CCC that doesn't appear to be going anywhere. So a few odd things, but nothing condemning. And no, I really don't agree with you proposed case on Victor. In fact I can even see how he wasn't bought with you Gamma unvote, you dropped that scum read fast dude.
Post-by-Post Analysis of VictorDeAngelo:In post 200, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Well perhaps, but I'm not one to rely on scum slipping up. I'd much prefer to root them out.
12 RVS vote on eagerSnake
40 Setup spec, asks eagerSnake for reads
74 Statesvote on eagerSnake is now serious
90 Gives reason for vote being serious "shifts reads easily." states he "gets more bad feels" from RhazhBash's post 89, votes RhazhBash
111 Asks CCC for more examples of Jester dodging questions, now thinks Grendel is town, disagrees with Grendels scumread on Gamma
126 Asks Gamma if he finds CCC's post suspicious
137 Assumes my question isn't serious
142 Explanation of his assumption, says he won't admit to being lazy or having an ulterior motive
155 Talk about what is important D1
188 Asks gerryoat what readslists have to do with conflict, states he reads RhazhBash's 87 as defending eagerSnake from him, Asks an unsensible, and unreasonable question to CCC
199 States his answer to eagerSnake's question will be "patronising and not actually lead us anywhere towards catching scum"
200 "I'm not one to rely on scum slipping up. I'd much prefer to root them out."
204 Says eagerSnakes question is not sensible or reasonable
@Grendel will get you my read on gerryoat next-
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I kind of like gerryoat so far. He has been consistent, hasn't done anything inherently scummy. He has opened himself up to attacks from others more than once, he clearly states his opinions on others. Some things could be taken as buddying, but I don't think it's the case. I would like to see him push his scumreads more, would like to see where he goes with them. I don't think he'd be a good lynch for today.In post 206, Grendel wrote:You've already said that your cool with Gamma. So how about...
Gerryoats, and or Rhazbash
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15 RVS comment
16 Asks eagerSnake if he's from EM
44 Asks Manuel about avatar
45 Agrees to do study buddy with Gamma
46 Off-topic with eagerSnake
47 States a policy of not taking anything serious for first 4 pages
48 Setup spec, discourages talk about PRs
65 Really doubts 3 mafia + 3rd party combination
72 Asks eagerSnake why Gamma feels town, when he feels like he's said the same things, repeats self about PRs
75 Asks Victor why his vote is now serious, asks for an explanation
93 Calls BS on anyone who has a serious scumread 4 pages in, accuses anyone with a hard FoS of fake scumhunting
100 Calls RhazhBash's 87 the "worst post so far"
109 Tells Grendel he doesn't see how he gets all of those reads 3 pages into a game
130 Votes RhazhBash based on what he said earlier in 100
158 Discourages talk about meta, says to focus on game
167 Explains to Grendel why he is weary of the early reads people claim to have, states he doesn't scumread grendel, brings up his vote placed on RhazhBash
168 He likes how easily Gamma changes his read on him, Agrees with Grendel that he hasn't done anything to warrant a townread
169 He likes Grendel trying to get conflict in the game, slightly townreads Grendel, states Grendel's actions and words are off
187 An FoS on RhazhBash, repeats his vote placement, Says Grendel has had townie lines, says he's confident lynching RhazhBash most right now
Ok, now doCCC-
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As for RhazhBash, there isn't much going on in this slot. I didn't like the short-posting opening, or the switch of votes with no reason, or the townread on Jester for no reason. I didn't like the part about Gamma/Snake being 100% fluff. I didn't like 139 obviously because it was directed at me. I'm agree with not scumreading Gamma, and I can see why they say the distancing with me is complete BS because obviously I know they have no reason to create distance between us. I don't like how they, like others, aren't pushing their reads. Overall I'm not getting good vibes from the slot, but it's mostly non-alignment stuff and I hope to see more come out of this slot. I would be willing to lynch this today if I don't see more come out of the slot.
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4 "Sup nerds" RVS vote on The_Jester
27 Naked vote on Manuel
29 Gives reason of "still in RVS"
36 Only says "Liking Jester so far"
87 Calls page 3 Snake/Gamma is 100% fluff, doesn't see how Victor is scumreading snake for it, discourages setup spec,
89 Vote on Manuel now serious, reason "pushing low hanging fruit," states Snake's posts indicate player type but not alignment
133 Asks Snake about mafia experience
135 States Snake's 131 are a townread, states if he reads someone as inexp and then tryhard it's towntell
139 "Snake stop posting"
154 Talks about experience
176 Not scumreading Gamma, calls part about distancing with Snake complete BS
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I've noticed a trend in people who use mathematics in their game. I'm not sure why, but they tend to get MLed more than any other type of player on D1. I am having to remind myself not to mislynch him and to just give him a good reread later. I agree with not lynching him today, at least as of this moment.In post 217, Grendel wrote:Ultimately, I'm still very null. I've seen how he eats rope in two other games. He gets lynched early a lot. his poor rhetoric, and awkward pushes make him an easy target. I am not going to vote CCC today.
Ever heard of Texas Justice Mafia? http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 14#1134214In post 200, VictorDeAngelo wrote:On another topic, can anyone actually point to a forum mafia game that has been solved mathematically. I've heard a lot of talk about probability/randomness etc from people, and I wonder if there's something I should be reading.
That's regarding a broken setup, though. As far as normal game goes, I've seen math catch 1 or 2 scum before, but usually it isn't convincing enough to even get the scum lynched. Adel was one person known for using math in his game. Another person had created a formula for finding scum based on a few key data points. However I have found that it was as likely to find scum as a random guess would be.-
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How do you figure? Because I am trying to discern his alignment, so that is a bs accusation. There isn't much to discern his alignment from, which I stated that, so I have them naturally as someone who I would be willing to lynch. So that's a total misrep.In post 244, Square World wrote:simple, you aren't trying to discern his alignment-
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I post my analysis of the player before the summary of their posts. This is obvious if you are reading the post. Some people do it different, where they link the post number and then put their thoughts on that post next to the number. I could do that, but that's not the way I did it that time.In post 254, Manuel87 wrote:While i think he has a valid point that its not really an analysis but rather a summary of what said player posted that game,-
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So this post only comes from town now?In post 250, Square World wrote:
real lifeIn post 249, VictorDeAngelo wrote:@SquareWorld- Why have you gone from posting nothing to suddenly spamming the thread?
calm down, i dont get a read on everyone within 2 daysAnd on another note why not a direct response to 229. Should I infer Gerry and Manual are your only scumreads?-
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This is Victor's read on Gamma. How does he have a town read on Square World based off the one post quoted above, but only a null read on Gamma? Doesn't make sense.In post 229, VictorDeAngelo wrote:He's not a townread, more null. Simply put, while he hasn't done anything particularly townie, he is contributing and hasn't done anything scummy IMO so I'm not concerned about him at this moment in time.-
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Here's a peak into the spinning gearwheels of my brain:In post 259, Manuel87 wrote:
Yes but why bother to summarise what he posted when you dont tell us your thoughts on those posts but only your over all read on him?In post 256, eagerSnake wrote:
I post my analysis of the player before the summary of their posts. This is obvious if you are reading the post. Some people do it different, where they link the post number and then put their thoughts on that post next to the number. I could do that, but that's not the way I did it that time.In post 254, Manuel87 wrote:While i think he has a valid point that its not really an analysis but rather a summary of what said player posted that game,
Also your post summary on Victor has only on short comment on you liking him not pushing his scumread on Rhazh.
But in all 3 i see no real read from you. I could assume that you think Gerry is Null and Rhazh is slight scumlean but you never said that.
Why do you like that he isnt pushing his read on Rhazh?
I start off wanting to kill everyone. Everyone is scum.
As people do things I feel are townish, I move them down the list of people I want to kill. People who don't do townish things stay at the top.
Then I do my best to get the people at the top of the list killed.
If I say "I don't think this is a good lynch today" then I feel like they've done something townish at some point, or at least more so than others, and they aren't at the top of my list.
If I say "I would lynch them today" then they are still near/at the top of my list.
Oh sure. But you sure were quick to make your vote on me serious when I said I townread Gamma based on his response, right? Convenient.In post 262, VictorDeAngelo wrote:So now I'm not allowed to form different opinions on different players?-
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I'm calling BS on anyone who townreads Square World.
Spoiler: All of Square Worlds posts
In his last game he had a scum or town read on every player in the game, 1 day after gamestart. This post is 2nd day after gamestart.-
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I don't accept metagame defenses that allow people to get away with always being scummy.In post 269, Square World wrote:eagerSnake
if you meta'd me, you would notice i usually don't explain my posts
Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh! Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh!
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Based on 74 alone? None. Like I said when I first called out 74, it could come from scum or town.In post 268, VictorDeAngelo wrote:However I find it surprising that once again your pulling me back towards my vote on you. What percentage of your scumread on me is based on 74?
You think RhazhBash is scum, but if you seriously think that, then you are doing nothing to advance the town's cause besides placing a vote and saying, "No, I'm not explaining", that draws my attention. It's a refusal to make a case on someone, which I stated before is inherently scummy. Town should be worried that the town will mislynch, and should push their reads.
Question for both VictorDeAngelo and Square World: Do you think that posting your honest opinions will hurt you? Why, then, do you refuse to explain things?-
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I've found that "guilty until proven innocent" works better in this game.In post 275, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
So are you policy voting him or are you voting him because you think he's scum?In post 274, eagerSnake wrote:Which is more convenient: A self-proclaimed metagame that allows someone to get away with always being scummy, or a policy against it?
You can't have it both ways.
When Square World posted, he didn't even try to explain anything. Frankly, I think your townread on him is inexplicable. His response to my accusation was then a self-proclaimed metadefense of always being scummy, which doesn't help and never will. Like I said, I have a policy of not accepting metagame defenses that allow people to get away with always being scummy. His responses, therefore, did not manage to alleviate even my original suspicions.
My perspective: Scum do scummy things more often than town do scummy things. Thus scummy things are scummy, even if townies do them too. People who deliberately play in a way that is scummy hurts the town should be lynched for it, repeatedly, until they stop.
Posting your honest opinions of things only helps the town. Partly because it helps us not misread you, partly because we can check for changes in opinion, and partly so we can check for people who are avoiding expressing concrete suspicions. The only other side of this is when town hides their thoughts because they have the ulterior motive of gauging a reaction. This is sometimes useful, but should be retroactively explained.-
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I think you misunderstood my post. I actually didn't like the fact he wasn't pushing his RhazhBash!scum read. I wasn't the one analyzing him, Grendel was, I was agreeing with a point that Grendel had made, and gave the PbP as supporting evidence of that fact.In post 259, Manuel87 wrote:
Yes but why bother to summarise what he posted when you dont tell us your thoughts on those posts but only your over all read on him?In post 256, eagerSnake wrote:
I post my analysis of the player before the summary of their posts. This is obvious if you are reading the post. Some people do it different, where they link the post number and then put their thoughts on that post next to the number. I could do that, but that's not the way I did it that time.In post 254, Manuel87 wrote:While i think he has a valid point that its not really an analysis but rather a summary of what said player posted that game,
Also your post summary on Victor has only on short comment on you liking him not pushing his scumread on Rhazh.
But in all 3 i see no real read from you. I could assume that you think Gerry is Null and Rhazh is slight scumlean but you never said that.
Why do you like that he isnt pushing his read on Rhazh?
I still think he could be scum. He's still at the top of the list of people I think should be lynched today.In post 295, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Snake, are you policy voting SquareWorld or are you voting him because you think he's scum?-
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I opened the way I did to give people something to talk about and maybe get discussion started. I said that Victor's 74 could come from scum or town, and gerry had already asked for an explanation.In post 339, Huntress wrote:@ eagerSnake: - Why feel the need to tell everyone (in 6) that you're not making a random vote? And why attack Victor for his vote in 74 rather than ask for an explanation?
1 example:In post 379, House wrote:
What ulterior motive might town have?In post 80, eagerSnake wrote: This, however, can only be a few things:
A lazy town
A scum
A town with an ulterior motive
Examples?
In post 279, eagerSnake wrote:The only other side of this is when town hides their thoughts because they have the ulterior motive of gauging a reaction. This is sometimes useful, but should be retroactively explained.-
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Yeah we also had the reverse side of that jealousy:
In post 118, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why did NO ONE call him out for the reasons they called me out?In post 49, CCC wrote:Newbie games have nine players, two of whom are Mafia. Here we have eleven players.
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It's the safest assumption for now, I think.In post 398, Gamma Emerald wrote:It seems everyone decided to go my way and just decide there's 3 mafia. Interesting.-
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VOTE: Huntress
I don't like this opening at all. It feels like just stalling and trying to avoid suspicion. The questions feel weak, and I don't see where their line of questioning is going either. They didn't have any questions at all for CCC, who they ended up voting for, and who is supposedly their top scumread. Nor any questions for House's slot, or Gamma's slot, who they also are supposedly scumreading. The only question for me was stuff from RVS which is weak.-
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I just don't know about him being obvscum. His playstyle makes it feel like mislynchbait.
CCC is the type of player that relies heavily on a mathematical approach to the game. I have seen this type of player specifically lynched D1 often before there is enough data to incorporate math. More often than not they are town.-
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