Mini 495 - Mafia on a Plane! GAME OVER! =)
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its just the first day, its not like we need a very good reason to vote on anyone.
unless you expect to catch scum on the very first lynch, chances are we are going to get a townie. might as well make the best of it by lynching the ones that are not contributing.
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Guys, youve got me completely missunderstood. First of all, it is my opinion that we have a big chance ofnotgetting scum on the first day, because we really have almost nothing to go on.
That being said, i, as most of the people in the first page, picked a reason that appealed to me best and just voted on the lurker. Im not being agressive in that i want everyone to vote for them, and i did not take my vote away because there was really no reason to. But, obviously, as lucienne just posted, i willunvote lucienne.
And those of you accusing me to be scum. i did not bandwaggon anything. it was a well-reasoned vote. and i did not contradict myself, i understood my accuser's point that it was too early and agreed. but i hadnt any better voting to do, so i kept on lucienne.
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AlyG wrote:(1)As i've already said, it's obvious we don't have much of a chance of lynching scum on day 1. But the problem to me is that you don't seem to want discussion. You want to quick-lynch someone who we have no reading on. With no discussion we can't get a reading on any players and if we lynch a townie it puts us at a big disadvantage because we have no readings on anyone and our townies numbers are dropping.
what the hell are you talking about? it was my first vote, hence i was only like 60% serious. is this what this is all about? i was never pushing for any sort of quicklynch, i just voted and gave my reason.
I am going to have to disagree there though. If we happen to lynch a townie, besides the obvious fact that it will narrow down the list of suspects, it lets us know the stance of each lyncher, therefore having a bigger idea of who is scum(and also based on who the mafia nightkilled).
listen, its not complicated. i wanted to place a vote, picked the best idea out of my head at the time, and voted. since i was the third poster, i obviously wasnt being serious. IAlyG wrote:(2) What i don't get is how Luciene was lurking? We were and hour and a half into the game that can last months and she hadn't even confirmed her PM yet! How can she be lurking if she wasn't even playing? That's just stupid! At least you finally realised to unvote her.neveragressively pushed for anyone to get lynched. i didnt "finally realize to unvote her", i unvoted because she became active, duh.
well, it wasnt an unreasonable vote, being that i wasnt specifically attached to the idea. i was just voting dammit.AlyG wrote:(3) It wasn't a well-reasoned vote! I'm also not sure whether to believe you about understanding carrotcake's point. As i've already said, it seems to me that maybe you realised you were in trouble and you agreed with him to get on the town's good side.
and i have already answered this: if i was taking back my whole idea just because of being afraid of being criticized, id have unvoted when i said i agreed with his point.
...that was a joke, buddy.AlyG wrote:(4) Why would you write 'i'm town, so stop voting for me'? How could anyone believe you? It's not a very good thing to say because there is no proof. So it's pointless.
(not in that im not town, but in that i was saying something that obviously had no foundation)
irc, not much on forums.shaft.ed wrote:@originality, have you played this game online before, and how long did games typically last at that site if you have?
and about Oman. i dont find him that much suspicious right now. maybe the most out of everyone else, but still. if hes telling the truth, i dont think his "scumtrap" was that clever of a move, but whatever.-
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originality wrote: and about Oman. i dont find him that much suspicious right now. maybe the most out of everyone else, but still. if hes telling the truth, i dont think his "scumtrap" was that clever of a move, but whatever.
especially with him stating his reason right on his voting post, for all scum to see.-
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VampanezeHunter wrote: Not good enough. Not good enough by half.vote: VampanezeHunter
You know, I was about to make that observation. But for now it does not seem THAT much like a scumtell, and since my vote would be just to make him defend himself, I don't think two is necessary just now. So i'll justFoS VampanezeHunter-
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Hey everyone, sorry for being gone, was spending the holidays at the beach. Shoulda warned I guess, my bad.
I didnt chose the biggest bandwaggon, VH and oman both had 3 votes, hence why I said I was tipping the balance.shaft.ed wrote: WHy are you feeling pressured to vote, who brought this up in regards to you? And how convenient you chose the biggest bandwagon. FoS originality
I didnt just pick him for kicks and giggles, I explained on page 4 (when there was only 1 vote on him, and 3 on Oman if Im not mistaken.) that I was finding him quite suspicious. The 'pressured' thing means that I felt like it was time I voted for someone. And having strong feelings against VH, naturally I chose him (I had said Id probably vote for him earlier.)
See above for explanation. Summary= He was even with Oman, and I said Id vote for him earlier.Lucienne wrote: I find it quite convenient that he felt "pressured" into voting for someone and, oh gosh, just happened to pick the person who had the most votes at the time.
As I said, I did have an explanation, I guess you didnt bother to go back a couple of pages.Lucienne wrote:He really was adding to the bandwagon, without actually explaining anything.
Lucienne wrote:Die scum
Are these hard feelings for me having attacked you in the very beginning?-
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ryan wrote:Vote: originality
I still haven't figured out why the early bandwagon on him was allowed to die, I think he's a suitable place for some more pressure as his defense didn't really sit well with me.
As for the "Good Doc" and his claim, we really have no reason to believe he's lying at this point and whoever pointed out that lynching a power role is a bad idea is VERY SMART. I mean honestly look at it this way, the mafia is going to nightkill him now anyway (if he's being honest) and if he's lying and lives we'll take care of him Day 2. So let's concentrate on finding some scum, not outing anymore power roles, and doing what we came here to do (well some of us) and that's taking out the trash!
Uh, I believe I already explained all my points, but if you have any questions for me I'll be happy to answer. By the way, that very smart guy you talk about is me.-
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I had said I'd vote for him in an earlier post, so it wasn't like out of the blue. Its not a complicated matter here, I found him suspicious and figured he deserved my vote.AlyG wrote:i don't really believe your vote on VampanezeHunter which put him on the most votes has been cleared up yet. You said you did it to tip the balance but what benefit does that have? That's my qusetion.
What benefit does it have, you ask? Well, I thought it was best for VH to get a majority, instead of Oman at the time, (about who I also had said earlier I didnt get very scummy vibes from) since he was my suspicion.
Or in another vein, SOMEONE had to do it, right? So I picked the one I had reasons against.-
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AlyG wrote:
There you go again. Now that you have come under attack for being 'pressured' to vote you now say that it was a poor word choice and you have now completely changed your opinion. Like you were doing before. Your just trying to get on the town's good side by agreeing with them. It's getting really annoying now. What does everyone else think about this post?originality wrote:I guess I can attribute that to poor word choice. One word isn't really a good reason for everyone to fret over that post, imho.
What the fuck. What? How the hell did I change my opinion? What you are saying doesn't even make sense, your just using the same stupid idea over and over again and logic is out the window as long as you're concerned.
Ok, I suggest you rethink the mechanics of this post of yours, because really, what? To address the issue: I didn't change my goddamn opinion, one word isn't an opinion. Especially the word "pressured". It does not convey the idea of an opinion. Dictonary.com defines an opinion as:
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
Please please point out where I ever showed any sort of belief, or some sort of specific personal view (outside of my vote, duh.) that the word "pressured" strongly indicated. It does not mean anything. As I said, you guys seem to be taking that way to the extreme. Its just a way to phrase it. I could have just as well said "By golly, my aforementioned suspicion of VH is going to manifest itself now as I vote for him." Are you trying to scumhunt based on people's unspecific vocabulary? That really isn't a good strategy, buddy.
Sorry for the heat there, but I hope it makes you see what you're doing.-
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Also, why so anxious to find out his role? How do you think it would help you? Unless you're scum. Maybe you didn't notice, but everyone else has been pretty patient about what his role is. You went so far as to assume he had a specific role out already. If thats not suspicious, I don't know what is.
Interesting. Both you and your predecessor had pretty scummy qualities. That is definitely saying something.
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ryan wrote:
You can't paraphrase a quote and expect me NOT to call you on it. You are basically making it look like I asked somebody to claim, WHICH I did not. This is so blatant of a scum tactic that to you who voted me for calling me on it need a serious hammer upside your heads. You want to talk about controlling the town or TRYING to control the town, let's check door #1...........ah yes its Oman. As for blatantly misrepresenting somebodies comment, I felt from Dr. B's comments he was claiming he was a doc, that isn't a misrepresentation that is an interpretation (two completely different ways of reading somebody) Rolefishing? I'm trying to find out who's the scum, so if you think me making sure Idon'tplace a vote on a power role is role fishing than I'm guilty as charged. Seriously people, I had a quote paraphrased and attempted to use against me and it's laughable how Oman nor dybeck are realzing that. I lynch all liars and in this case orginality blatantly paraphrased a post of mine to make me look guilty, so keep your votes on me all you want but you are missing the obvious one in this case.
First and foremost, have you ever heard of paragraphs?
Alright. Lets go over some things.
This right here is one of the biggest reasons you are so suspicious for me right now. "How about instead of not scum hunting you do a little bit of that", with "that" being roleclaiming. And then you vehemently and directly deny that exact same thing:ryan wrote:Back on Page 9 you hint at a power role, now you say you aren't claiming anything? How about instead of not scum hunting you do a little bit of that?
Hmm. You guys see where I'm going with this?ryan wrote:You are basically making it look like I asked somebody to claim, WHICH I did not.
ryan wrote:Seriously people, I had a quote paraphrased and attempted to use against me and it's laughable how Oman nor dybeck are realzing that.
I love that as soon as you are attacked you jump right at my neck. Its pretty nutty. Your best defense is trying to get me lynched. This means that you know what you said was blatantly scummy, and can't find any excuses for it.
You have failed to give any good excuses, ryan. Quite the opposite.
I think we've got our man.vote ryan
You should really be voting for yourself then.ryan wrote:I lynch all liars-
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Wow. Instead of getting better arguments he went ahead and killed himself. I didn't mean for you to take my advice literally.
I guess now hes pretty much a confirmed townie, right? Well... shit. But you cant blame me for faulty logic, he played pretty scummy. Though he should have waited to see if the wagon would follow up, and we could see who hammered etc.
Oh, and does this mean we are in twilight?-
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Uh... This is weird, because carrotcake was pretty quiet imo. I guess ima go with shaft.ed here, in that carrotcake must have scared someone enough into killing him... So AlyG would be a suspect, but i dont know if hes the only one carrotcake was after, so i will that, post in a min.
Oh, same thing for spurgistan, but it would be harder to find someone against him I think, because he was actaully a pretty decent townie, went after most people who looked suspicious at the time, and unlike carrotcake he posted quite a bit.-
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Alright, I didnt find anyone besides AlyG who carrotcake seemed to threaten (besides me at the beginning, but that was the beginning ((and he defended me later btw))). However, alyg would have to be stupid indeed to kill the only person against him, way too obvious. Im not ruling out that he did, but maybe something else? I dont know, i dont see it. Other people's thoughts?
Oh, and looking over spurgistan didnt post as much as it seemed.. but still, his posts were mostly of pretty good content.-
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Alright guys, last post for today, promise. I just saw that carrotcake was one of the early supporters of not lynching Dr. B on day 1, and i think his arguments were probably why he wasnt. So theres that. I think that and his post against AlyG were pretty much the only strong opinions he voiced. And spurgistan, he seemed pretty set on Dr. B... In fact, he was the only one who kept his vote for him till the death(literally).
This Dr appears to be appearing in a lot of sketchy situations... Talk, Dr. I think its time you gave a better explanation.vote dr. blackstrike. On the cons, I guess someone could be setting him up. The more I think about it the more it seems that it would be a pretty good set up. (not kill the possible powerrole on night 1, making him suspicious, but instead killing the one persuing him.) Still, I think Dr. B is one of the best suspects now. This vote of mine isnt set in stone, like most of you I just want to hear his defense.
In AlyG's case it would be pretty retarded for him to kill off his only persecutor, so as I said there is a possibility of incrimination going on there, like with Dr.-
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Ummm im starting to feel like an idiot. All sorts of real arguments are being thrown around here and i have a pressure vote on someone who wont post while I could be helping out.unvotefor now. DONT THINK THIS IS THE END OF THIS DR.B.
Alright. I dunno about AlyG, it seems the major thing against him is the carrotcake bit, and other then that you guys are pretty much just making stuff up. the dybek and shaft.ed deal is looking more and more like a omgus thing. Oman has been coming up with decent arguments lately, and everyone else just isnt posting. Day 1 is over now, can we pick things up a little bit more? Everyone get out of the woods and share your opinions. I'm looking at you, elias, drb, and lucienne.
conclusions: AlyG and of course Dr.B are under the spotlight. At this height of the game, if i were to guess the sk at all it would seem to be either dybek or shaft.ed. I really am not sure about niether person's points right now so Im not going to vote for any of them.-
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God damnit, guys. I could start an elaborate lie here but I don't think it would be very good in the long run.
Everyone unvote AlyG. I'm 90% sure he is town. I did target Carrotcake during the night, and it would be really lucky of him to lie and get it right.
AlyG- You are fucking retarded. You should have kept your mouth shut, why the hell would you claim us two for no real reason? Your personal grudge against me is affecting your view of things. Why am I saying this? IM THE FUCKING VIG.
Why carrotcake? I got a bad vibe from him, It was mostly a gut feeling.
The best we can do now, that AlyG screwed us up, is to see the ones who wanted to lynch him I guess. Or me. Damn, this strategy is terrible. They could be wanting to lynch one of us now and NK the other at night. Dammit AlyG.-
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This is my first vig role. Sorry, but the idea of not killing on D1 didnt really cross my mind, plus I was pretty sure against carrotcake. Oops.
And my role security. Look at it this way: If I was mafia, I could have just called bs on AlyG's claim and pin him as a liar. If I was SK, I could have said the same thing, but the mafia would know AlyG was telling the truth and killed me in the night for sure. And if I was gonna lie, I could have easily claimed cop or doc or something, why would I claim the most sketchy role if I was to claim at all?
I have my eye on dybek. He was defending me on D1, but now that AlyG outed me as a powerrole he's saying he "knew I was scum" and defending AlyG to clean his name when he killed him this night. And I know for a fact there is no SK, his jump on shaft.ed is pretty damn suspicious.
Sorry I didn't know you guys had problems with the word fuck. How is putting symbols on it making it any better? The meaning is the same.
Good news of this mess is I can see people's alliances better.unvote vote dybek-
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Your aggressiveness just convinces me more and more of your mafianess.dybeck wrote:No way. Carrotcake was actively scumhunting yesterday, and frankly was my absolute first pick for being protown - bar none.
If I'd been scum, I would have targeted him. If I'd been the doctor, I would have targeted him. If I were the vig, I most certainly would not have.
On Sat 15th you were even claiming carrotcake's death must have been because he'd scared a scum.
Originality - name me one single thing carrotcake said that made you think he was the most scummy one here - to the point where you would actually kill him. More scummy than Dr. Blackstrike or Oman, both of whom looked pretty scummy yesterday. There's just nothing there. You're totally lying and need to die.
My thing is, the quietest ones are the most suspicious. He was the quietest one by a lot.
I claimed carrotcake's death must have scared a scum to get suspicion off me. It was damn obvious carrotcake didn't scare anyone. I didn't find Oman suspicious. He wasn't. He seems pretty town to me. As I said, it was just a vibe I got from carrotcake. And he wasn't helping town much at all. He seemed pretty confused about the present happenings most of the time. And I must admit, I was offset by why he kept his vote on me for so long in the beginning without one explanation. He voted during the joke stage, and kept it there while my wagon was forming. Only changed a while later when it had mostly died off.-
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I got back earlier then I thought. Alright guys, I don't really know what else to say at this point, except I'm definitely not mafia: If I was, I would have claimed doc/cop so someone could have counterclaimed me and thus revealing himself.
And: If you guys want me to, I could just not kill someone tonight (but only if we misslynch, otherwise there's no reason for me not to)-
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I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear what I was trying to say, which was: The strategy I talk about is us finding out mafia by means of seeing who voted for me, since I know me to be town. Followed by a realization that it is not a good strategy.originality wrote: The best we can do now, that AlyG screwed us up, is to see the ones who wanted to lynch him I guess. Or me. Damn, this strategy is terrible. They could be wanting to lynch one of us now and NK the other at night. Dammit AlyG.
The second part of that post refers to how the mafia would try to push for a lynch of one of us two (AlyG or me), since we are the claimed powerroles. It would be great for them if one of us is lynched, so they can get rid of 2 powerroles in one night.-
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Vollkan, that does not make much sense. If AlyG is lynched today and turns out tracker then you guys still aren't guaranteed on me. Anyways, this me&AglyG idea is pretty crazy. Isn't he the guy who wanted to get me lynched really bad on day one? Like, most of everyone?
If this was some clever scum ploy AlyG would certainly have backed down when I was at most danger of being lynched. And why should he claim tracker and put the blame on me when there was no current suspicion on me this day? Think about it, it makes no sense. I understand the idea of scum pretending to antagonize each other to look town after one of them is killed, but this is just too out there.
And I honestly don't understand where the word "us" is sketchy on that quote, so I'm gonna look over all three times I used it.
1- Pretty symple here, I used "us" to mean us two who got claimed.originality wrote:
AlyG- You are fucking retarded. You should have kept your mouth shut, why the hell would you claimus (1)two for no real reason? Your personal grudge against me is affecting your view of things. Why am I saying this? IM THE FUCKING VIG.
Why carrotcake? I got a bad vibe from him, It was mostly a gut feeling.
The best we can do now, that AlyG screwedus (2)up, is to see the ones who wanted to lynch him I guess. Or me. Damn, this strategy is terrible. They could be wanting to lynch one ofus (3)now and NK the other at night. Dammit AlyG.
2- Us here meaning the town. I guess it could also mean me and him, because we are now a mafia target.
3- Us here means me or AlyG.
Please tell me which one makes you suspicious and be specific why.
I think you are reading something wrong there,
I don't fear the possibility of us both being lynched, but now that we are on the open we are like ducks on the pond for mafia.If Orig is vig, then he has good reason to consider AlyG protown, but I don't get why he immediately fears the possibility of them BOTH being lynched.
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Thats not what I said at all. What I said, in other words, was: "Well, now that we have this shitty situation in our hands [[me&alyg being claimed for no reason]] we might as well see the positives of it. Hmm, lets see, maybe we could look at the people pushing a lynch for us powerroles.. no, that wouldnt work, only a few would be mafia and too hard to know who." This is the "strategy" I mentioned, which I immediately refuted afterwords for seeing how it would not work.(..)and then expresses real regret about how the " strategy " (VERY interesting word choice) exposes either of them to a lynching.
What I feared is the mafia pushing for a lynch on one of us and then finishing off the other at night.-
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1) There is no sk. I'm the vig, I killed carrotcake. First of all, I doubt a SK would not kill during night 1, and mafia plus a vig seems enough killing roles for one mini game, all that and one sk would be too much. The mafia? Dybek right now seems really really high up there.vollkan wrote: 1) Who do you think is the mafia and SK?
2) What do you think of AlyG's play yesterday?
3) What do you think of Dybeck?
2) His play you mean the rolefishing for blackstrike? Yea, it sounds sort of fishy, but it also has at least some reason. If DBS has any useful info he should say so, but not unless its useful right now. And you gotta remember, AlyG is pretty much confirmed town for me. (He HAS to be a tracker if he found out I killed carrotcake, its too good of a guess for a mafia trick)
3) As I said on 1, and explained when I put my vote on him, he seems pretty damn scummy. Here's my initial explanation (by the way, I was the first one to point out his scumminess and vote, so I'm not bandwaggoning.)
I have my eye on dybek. He was defending me on D1, but now that AlyG outed me as a powerrole he's saying he "knew I was scum" and defending AlyG to clean his name when he killed him this night. And I know for a fact there is no SK, his jump on shaft.ed is pretty damn suspicious.-
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No, I said explicitly that he only should talk if he had useful information. (Such as a guilty result, or I would also not mind if he were cop and claimed me innocent)vollkan wrote:Oman wrote: But AlyG and Orig are basically acting like they want him to say "I am cop and last night I got innocent on X." Aside from the obvious fishing, their attitude seems a little too much like they expect him to say something earth-shaking.
Also, Orig, you do realise what happens if Dybeck or ANYBODY comes up SK?
And I know 99.999999999999999999997% certainly that there is no sk, (ive never heard of a sk not killing on n1, and 4 kills per night would be way too much for a mini) so I really could care less about that possibility.
And as much as I think dybek is the man for today, I really want others to talk as I said before... shaft.ed, you should also post more. I mean, as far as we know both Oman and vollkan can be scum leading the town into disaster (though I doubt it)-
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And a question: You are all assuming we have 3 mafia, is this the common way on a mini?
If so we have 1/3 chance of lynching a right person tonight. Let's say we lynch a town, so if I decide to kill someone at night I will have a 3/8 chance of getting scum, which is almost 50%. If I not count people Im pretty sure to be town, such as AlyG, shaft.ed, Vollkan, and Oman, then I have 3/4 chance of hitting scum. Interesting odds, wouldn't you say, people?
However, if I do somehow fuck up and hit the one who is town, we end up with a 3/6 scum/town ratio counting the mafia's NK. This is a loss for us. So its a risky business here, but its a risk we might want to take.
All of this is under the assumption we have 3 mafia, and we lynch town tonight. So let's say we lynch a mafia instead.
2/8 scum/town ratio at night. 25% chance for me of hitting scum. So if I not count AlyG, Oman, shaft.ed and vollkan as before, I'd have 2/4 chance of getting scum, 50%. It is a substantial risk also, but one with less drastic repercussions if I do wrong: If I get a townie in the night plus the mafia's kill then it would make a 2/6 scum/town ratio tomorrow. Depending on who is mafia NK'd, we might have a real good chance of hitting scum. Lets say the mafia kills me or alyg. If its me then I will be flipped vig and AlyG automatically will be town. This leads you fellas to a 2/5 situation, in which shaft.ed is almost certainly town, with oman and vollkan close behind. So take those 3 out and you guys will have a perfect 2 mafia choice to lynch. Not bad, eh?
This leads to another question: If I target someone in night and the same person targets me, what happens?-
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Ok, I am retarded. I've been forgetting to count myself out of the peoplecount, so here's another.
I realise a lot of this is based on assumptions, but for me AlyG is guaranteed town, and shaft.ed pretty much also. Vollkan and Oman COULD still be scum but I rather doubt it, however they are not confirmed at all so I'm going to do a recounting this time without them in the "definitely town" part.
Lynching a town tonight: 3/5 chance of me getting mafia at night. [Lets say I not count Oman and Vollkan, that would make a 100% chance of hitting scum.]
Lynching scum tonight: 2/5 chance of getting mafia. [Without Oman and Vollkan 2/3, which is still pretty good though not perfect.]
Everyone might want to take these into consideration.
And remember, this is assuming we have 3 scum. Let's see, if we have 2, it would be:
If we lynch town today, 2/7 chance of me getting scum at night. Without Oman and Vollkan, 2/5. Rather risky, but still almost 50%.
Lynching scum, 1/7 chance of scumkilling tonight. No Oman and Vollkan, 1/5. Terrible odds. Lets follow through with this particular train of thought and see the how the next day would bring us 1/6, assuming I don't kill. If I do kill, the odds say I will hit town which would be 1/5. Bad: A lot of townie deaths. Good: No lylo, we have more leisure. So next day, lets say we lynch another town, 1/4. I try to kill and hit a town, 1/3, plus the scum kill 1/2. Now its lylo. Ok, same situation but I don't kill. Town has another whole day till lylo. (all this assuming I'm still alive).
In the end, numbers sort of go out the window I guess, what matters most is good judgement on part of the town. Still these odds are useful, especially the one considering we have 3 mafia, so what do you guys think?-
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Under this new light from vollkan that we almost certainly have 3 mafia, you can disregard the bottom part of my last post. And here's what I personally think will (or at least should) happen today: we lynch dybeck. He is mafia. A third of the people at night will be mafia. Not counting AlyG and shaft.ed, half the people are mafia.
So are you guys up for the risk is this happens?
And: If I target someone, and someone else targets me, do I kill my target and then the other kills me or does he just kill me and I don't kill at all?-
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Vollkan, I have been posting at the same time as you so I haven't seen your answers in time, chill out.
I know lynches are performed in the day phase, "tonight" its just an expression.
I think this Elias wagon is up to no good since he just said he won't be able to defend himself or anything, and I believe him when he says he has a lot to do, so let's wait a bit for him to say something real and then we can do whatever we have to.
I think that under certain situations (if we hit town) then my vigkill would be pretty good. I think this subject should be discussed in twilight though.-
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Whoa there shaft.ed, I understand that it is a huge risk and no one wants me to do it, but does that mean I can't talk about it? I'm trying to show all the ways it can affect us. Trust me, I won't do anything rash without discussing it first. And at least one person I am 100% sure is town, that being AlyG, for reasons known to all. And if you are scum, I deserve to lose to you, for you look townie as hell.I am willing to take the risk of accepting you as town. Vollkan and Oman are only feelings of mine, I know they are not guarantees, and I keep that in mind.
Awaiting Gemelli's review, even without any helpful claims, because his mind is fresh and his antecessor did not contribute anything at all.-
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Woah. Dybeck's reasoning just right now is good. Pretty good. In fact, I'd probably vote for myself if I wasn't so sure I was town. Part of my vote on him was thinking his logic was completely ridiculous, and this decent summary of his thoughts sort of help that bit. However, his aggressiveness is the reason I am not unvoting. Its been the same all throughout the game, like on post 87, and how quickly he changed his mind about me, from "I'm not feeling his lynch" to "Visited someone at night and he died. No discussion, must be scum" before I had even claimed vig. And he seems to not even consider the possibility that I am actually vig, while I know I am, and I don't understand how you can be so 100% certain of something like that. Plus his jump on shaft.ed for being the sk is crazy for me, as someone who knows there is no sk.
tl;dr version: That was a well thought out post dybeck just made, but there are fishier things about him then just his logic.
And Gemelli, wow, it looks like I'm on your top list for scum. And probably mafia, nonetheless. Well, here's what I've been saying about how I can't be mafia: I'd not claim vig. I'd claim something safer for me instead, and if someone counterclaimed me It would be OK, because if I got lynched I'd have partners who would now know one more powerrole to kill that night.-
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Probably cop or watcher. Chances are we have a cop, and he would counterclaim me right then, exposing himself. I think a cop kill would be the best NK the mafia could make.
Watcher would be damn safe for me. I'd have the excuse of either wanting to know if carrotcake was mafia or a powerrole that could help us or what have you, it is a pretty open role that could have plenty of possibilities, depending on how everyone else took it. We might have one that counterclaims me, and again it would be a bonus knowledge for my mafia buddies.
I could also go all Dr. Blackstrike on us, as in saying "Yes I am indeed a powerrole, but I guarantee I did not kill carrotcake and I am not going to tell you what I am." The risk factor of lynching a powerrole seemed to work well with blackstrike, and everyone could interpret this as they saw better and I could take advantage of my best opening.
And lets not forget that if I were mafia I'd have no way of knowing if the other NKer was a SK or vig, so claiming vig would also be a dice roll if anyone counterclaimed.
I think that the mafia would definitely not admit to have any sort of killing role, its too close to the truth.-
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