Yuck.
Shaft.ed wrote:
AlyG: Why did you wait to out originality and what prompted you to claim?
Why did you not either claim immediately or at least push for an originality lynch?
Why did you take such a defensive stance in your claiming post?
originality: Why would you kill anyone after a D1 with little to no usable information?
Is there any other reason we should believe you are a vig and not an SK or simple mafia?
Orig wrote:
My thing is, the quietest ones are the most suspicious. He was the quietest one by a lot.
I claimed carrotcake's death must have scared a scum to get suspicion off me. It was damn obvious carrotcake didn't scare anyone. I didn't find Oman suspicious. He wasn't. He seems pretty town to me. As I said, it was just a vibe I got from carrotcake. And he wasn't helping town much at all. He seemed pretty confused about the present happenings most of the time. And I must admit, I was offset by why he kept his vote on me for so long in the beginning without one explanation. He voted during the joke stage, and kept it there while my wagon was forming. Only changed a while later when it had mostly died off.
Hang on....why would suspicion fall on YOU for Carrot's death? This makes no sense at all.
Carrot was about more helpful than everybody else. Fine, he lurked early, but his later stuff was pure brilliance. I don't buy this at all.
Our possible scenarios as I see them are as follows:
1) AlyG = Tracker; Orig = Vig: To me, the massive inconsistencies in their behaviours (which we have all noted) makes this seem unlikely.
2) AlyG = Tracker; Orig = Scum (Maf/SK): Very possible. There were only 2 kills yerstday so maybe Orig figured he would have to claim something. Doc, Cop or RB could risk a counter so vig possibly seemed safe, seeing as AlyG, the scummiest person, was not NKed. By that, I mean that vig probably seemed a safe claim to scum-Orig because AlyG, who was such obvious scum, was not NKed. If there was a vig, the vig would likely have targeted AlyG.
3) AlyG = Scum; Orig = Vig: I cannot see scum taking this particular gambit. It would be suicide to claim tracker and then randomly call someone out.
4) AlyG = Mafia; Orig = Mafia: I want this to be true. It would make so much sense given their behaviour, but it is impossible to substantiate without a counter-claim.
Also, Dybeck's willingness to follow AlyG is very smelly (along with the SK-shaft.ed stuff from just before).
Basically, we are in a real mess here. We have two deeply-flawed power role claims and I find neither believable. But, they have claimed nonetheless.
I see us having 3 options:
1) Lynch AlyG: If AlyG is a tracker, then we know Orig is non-vanilla. If AlyG is mafia, then we can reasonably infer Orig is also.
2) Lynch Orig: If Orig is scum, then we learn that AlyG is either scum or tracker. If Orig is vig, then we learn that AlyG is probably tracker.
3) Look elsewhere. Dybeck seems a good starting point.
I don't think we should lynch Orig. Here's why:
If Orig is vig, there is probably no SK (the MOs on Carrot/Spurg were single).
If Orig is scum, then we can reasonably infer we have no vig (no counters). Therefore, Orig will very likely be NKed by the other scum faction. (** see "A" below)
**A - For this reason, I think it very likely that scum may be pushing Orig's lynch (ie. Dybeck). They know he is either vig or their enemy faction.
In other words, a scum Orig will be dead by tomorrow morning anyway. So, why potentially waste our lynch killing our vig when if he is lying he will be NKed?
As such, I strike out option 2 of the above. We are left with:
1) Lynch AlyG.
3) Go somewhere else.
I favour 3). As such,
Vote: Dybeck
