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In post 112, Sakura Hana wrote:Funny to see naked votes from the person that hates naked votes and gut reads.
These posts made me thing that you were scum:
In post 39, Sakura Hana wrote:All these people sheeping me are giving me the chills however...
In post 72, Sakura Hana wrote:P-Edit:
Unvote
Ok there's something very wrong with my wagon getting traction so easily.
Your explanation for your unvote is not believable to me.
It seems like you're just turning the tables on everyone who agreed with your (bad) accusation of knightmare, so that you always remain on top.
I also think that 28 is reachy. So if you show me that you were doing RVS things in 28, I'll unvote you.-
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In post 124, Expedience wrote:In post 112, Sakura Hana wrote:Funny to see naked votes from the person that hates naked votes and gut reads.
These posts made me think that you were scum:
In post 39, Sakura Hana wrote:All these people sheeping me are giving me the chills however...
In post 72, Sakura Hana wrote:P-Edit:
Unvote
Ok there's something very wrong with my wagon getting traction so easily.
Your explanation for your unvote is not believable to me.
It seems like you're just turning the tables on everyone who agreed with your (bad) accusation of knightmare, so that you always remain on top.
I also think that 28 is reachy. So if you show me that you were doing RVS things in 28, I'll unvote you.
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In post 122, Goodlordwill wrote:K, read (well, skimmed) everything, and every part of my gut and brain is screaming that knight is town. I will defend him not to the death, but at least to the slight inconvenience!
He should really stop posting huge walls trying to defend himself though.
In post 123, Goodlordwill wrote:In post 57, Lowell wrote:Oh hey knight is scum. Good find, whoever started this. Early wagons rule. BLOOD!
VOTE: knight
I do not believe this is alignment indicative.
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In post 129, knightmare wrote:@Expedience/Goodwill - is your post about Lowell a meta thing or are you speaking generally?
Look at 81 again and let me know what you think.
I honestly haven't read some of the pages yet, so I was just thinking about that post in isolation. I still think that his confident tone shown in those posts is not alignment indicative.
Either he's really confident town, or he's pretending to be really confident town as scum. And I'm not really sure which at this point.-
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In post 133, Sakura Hana wrote:Dang, I was hoping to find some sort of issue with Expedience's reasoning, and the part that isn't true is about the sincerity of those posts, yet i can't seem to find a way to prove that, or probably im just too tired.
What's this supposed to mean?
You don't really think knightmare is scum, but you think I wouldn't believe you if you just told the truth?-
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In post 166, Sayaka Maizono wrote:So, reads. I was town reading Sakura since the point where she made 39, which IMO is town paranoia.
Is that because you know she's town? I mean, sure, it could be "town paranoia". But I see it as scummy because of how sudden the change was. If someone votes someone I'm scumreading, I tend to trust them, not bail out like two posts later.
I do not really like this wagon on Lowell. I think Expedience raises a good point in his 139, and I think that it looks more like confident town. Unfortunately I do not really like the way Expedience hedges around it, rather than committing to a firm stance.
I wasn't "hedging" anything, I firmly and townly stated that Lowell's post was not alignment indicative.
124 about Sakura was also a bit of a reach in my opinion. Expedience, why do you think Sakura would have any reason to "turn the tables" when she was not being scum read at that point in the game? Her wagon did not come until later IIRC and the only one who was suspicious of her was knightmare himself.
So that she gets read as town, I dunno. Maybe that wasn't the best choice of phrase.-
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In post 210, chilledtea wrote:Oh man.
Boon is scum, lowell is prob scum and madonna is prob scum too. Although madonna is a slight read.
Can we just decide on one of these. I would go for boon though.
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I get what you're saying, Garmr. Maybe Sakura did unvote because she genuinely thought that the wagon was moving too fast and so one of the people voting had to be scum wanting a quicklynch, or some such nonsense. I think I have a bias against people I disagree with.
I haven't really had any other problems with what she's posted so I'll leave that behind for now.-
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In post 283, Lowell wrote:@knight, no, you're still scum, don't worry. but people have been persuaded by the brute force of the boringness of your arguments, so I'm moving to an easier, hopefully more hilarious, target.
Convince us that he's scum! No reason to give up just because others disagree with you, right?-
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In post 405, mhsmith0 wrote:Boon has stated that he "has bad feelings" about this "easy lynch". If he hammers then he's flagrantly full of shit.
As for me, I think it's the right lynch. I'm not leaving just because boon or someone else may randomly do something stupid.
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In post 411, Garmr wrote:In post 407, Expedience wrote:Goodlordwill and I are both town.
Don't see goodlordwill as town tbh will you elaborate for me.
I agree with just about everything he's posted so far. We're in sync, for some reason, so I think we have the same alignment.-
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In post 418, Boonskiies wrote:In post 401, Expedience wrote:If he's really at L-1, I suggest one of you idiots unvote or Boon may hammer.
I mean, I've already stated why this is crap.
Misplaced your rhetoric?
Expidence is leaning scum for me. If Lowell does end up flipping scum, might be worth looking into as a last resort bus/trying to derail it a little. TownLowell I'd probably start town reading Exp from that, though.
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In post 420, Boonskiies wrote:In post 417, Expedience wrote:In post 411, Garmr wrote:In post 407, Expedience wrote:Goodlordwill and I are both town.
Don't see goodlordwill as town tbh will you elaborate for me.
I agree with just about everything he's posted so far. We're in sync, for some reason, so I think we have the same alignment.
I mean, Tex, Lowell, and I all had pretty similar reads, I feel. That logic would make us all town.
Well yeah, but are you ≈in sync≈?
Granted, you didn't say it makes you both town, it would make you same alignment. Foreshadowing scum? Who knows.
But I'm town though.-
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In post 451, mhsmith0 wrote:1) would you be willing to policy lynch a dumb hammer?
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In post 399, Madonna wrote:If people are going to be so fervent in their idea that Lowell is scum, I would like a hammer to help us be clear where players want to stand.
So Madonna, do you actually have a fervent belief that Lowell is scum?-
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In post 458, Madonna wrote:To be clear, I do not care for this wagon
Are you townreading Lowell? I cannot think of any town reason why you would try to quickhammer a townread.
In post 458, Madonna wrote:you guys
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In post 179, Madonna wrote:In post 172, knightmare wrote:I can understand tunneling, Sayana. I don't think that's the case here.
My point is that I think Lowell istwisting things to make me look scummyand that his perspective is not genuine.
Again, look at post 84 again I think it's pretty obvious he is not being objective.
I am quoting you, knightmare, but I think others have expressed this sentiment about Lowell as well, and this needs addressing. 84 is a great post. 85 and 89 are great follow-ups. There is nothing indicative of a scum mindset in these posts. 57 is a little eh, but I agree that because of knightmare's play, it is plenty fine.
In terms of content to action ratios, Lowell is doing a whole lot better than most. His reasoning has been simple and clean, and I like that.
It looks like you're townreading him here.
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In post 470, knightmare wrote:@Expedience - having 14 days for DL doesn't mean that you need to use all of them. This is the only site I have ever played at where phases are this long. I am used to 72h Days at the longest with some games as short as 48/24 complete phases. 14 days is the ridiculous measure. We have generated a lot of content - what do you need to continue twiddling our thumbs for? The only concrete information we gain is through alignment reveals anyway.
@Boon - I still want to lynch Lowell because I still don't believe he is town and I don't think I can effectively clear him through his play either. I'm not going to spook myself off the wagon because Madonna is being sketchy around it. If anything they are just outing themselves more.
So we can find more scum, then if you're wrong about Lowell (which you very well could be), we're not stuck at the start of d2 with dead town members and almost no (or even negative) information.-
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In post 477, mhsmith0 wrote:In post 476, Boonskiies wrote:@knight - Okay, I get you want Lowell lynched today. I don't. So I'll contribute to a different wagon.
@exp - I disagree with your negative info. There will be more info regardless. To be honest, Lowell at this point is a good information lynch regardless of alignment.
If Lowell is town it means ______
If Lowell is scum it means _______
Any theories? There have been interactions but which strike you as alignment indicative and why?
If Lowell is town I would think Madonna and Sakaya are slightly more likely to be scum.
If Lowell is scum I would think Madonna is slightly more likely to be scum.
It's really not that explicit though and that's why I think pre-flip associatives and "information lynches" are bad. I don't like framing it so that lynching someone tells us more about another person, because it honestly doesn't tell us very much at all.
I think Madonna's stances could make sense as bussing because of how Lowell was about to be lynched, so she would look good immediately after for lynching someone who flipped scum.-
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In post 484, mhsmith0 wrote:In post 482, Madonna wrote:So are we lynching Lowell or not, people? Not saying I called it, but there you go.
Called what?
In post 464, Expedience wrote:Are you townreading Lowell?
Answer these questions please because you're not taking opposition to any of this but it's not really clear?-
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In post 490, Madonna wrote:In post 488, Sakura Hana wrote:Madonna's bugging me a lot right now.
Votes Lowell and expects him to be hammered within 1 hour?
And where did Madonna's constant defense of Lowell even go? Where and Why did that 180 come from?
There has been 200+ posts since I last argued anything in defense of Lowell. My opinion could have changed since then, surely.
Strange how any defense somehow translates to others as "strong townread" and that it somehow must be permanent.
So you're scumreading him now, is that what you're saying or it's just something that could've happened? Really awkward and scummy way to frame that.
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In post 549, Madonna wrote:In post 327, Lowell wrote:In post 321, mhsmith0 wrote:@lowell: Here's one from me. Was your vote on me serious or just joke/reaction testing? That's an easy question with an easy answer.
Are you kidding? It's page 14. My vote is legit. Your playstyle is a put-on and you're scum.
Fucking hell, this is dumb shitfrom mhsmith0. Even joke/reaction votes are fucking votes. They may still exert the same pressure because all votes do the same fucking thing. Unless you fucking preface them with "for reaction purposes only" and can guess the voter will retract.
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In post 534, Madonna wrote:In post 526, Almost50 wrote:@Madonna: OK.. I'll bite. It's not like you need to read anyone's case though. All you need to do is ISO Lowell himself (just 19 posts in total, btw):
Note: I'm puling some excerpts, but linking each and every post so you can view in full.
1- 17 RSV
2- 57 Votes knight for... ????
3- 84 Reasoning for voting knight is basically "this guy is scum. I'm a gut player" while stating "not sure how, or why, this wagon started. But don't care."
NOTE: This came as a 5th vote on knight. Is it serious? Is it for a reaction? Is it for lolz?? Let's see:
4- 85 "Relax, kill, repeat."?? Is this how you play this game?
5- 89 "Let's do less thinking and more playing with our hearts... and guts.... kill knight."?? Less thinking?? Play with hearts and guts?? Like how you play.. roulette?
6- 90 Doesn't even count
7- 144 Accusing knight of being OMGUSy when knight obviously voted for a reason. Out of SIX people who voted knight up to that point (counting Sakura who had unvoted) knight ONLY voted Lowell. How's that OMGUSy?
8- 175 Not even sure who's that directed at.
9- 276 Knight isn't happening, so let's switch to smith for some reason. Also boon is town "because of his obnoxious multi-posts". (Now that's how you scum hunt alright :P )
10- 278 "Stop asking questions: vote mhsmith." (Now that's some convincing reason for someone to sheep them)
11- 283 "And wagons on newbs are fun, anyway." + "so I'm moving to an easier, hopefully more hilarious, target."
12- 316 Please do read this one. WHAT point? And how is Expedience giving him town vibes? (Expedience <<< @ Smith). Then 3 scum reads who are all strong town?
13- 318 No comment.
14- 320 Ignoring questions directed at him.
15- 327 Less than optimal response.
16- 354 Now accusing SMITH of being OMGUSy, when -in fact- smith had yet t vote him. Also where is this said "self-preservation" when smith is actually throwing everything including the kitchen sink into the game? The guy is relentless, doesn't hold back, isn't afraid of engaging others for whatever.
17- 358 Finally responds to a question. Not much of an explanation, but a response none-the-less.
18- 360 FIVE PEOPLE voting him and "no one believes I'm scum, they just think "meh, he's sort of annoying, and better him than me... sure I can live with that.""
19- 380 Votes Texcat, the reason being....???
So, you see.. out of 19 posts only one contained a glimpse of an intent to be playing the game. Otherwise, it's mudding, flirting, fluffing, being all sorts of anything but a scum hunter.
Please tell me what YOU saw in this ISO that you liked (apart from being funny at times)?
Hi, mobile posting. The issue with a critique of Lowell's ISO is that it is not a case brought by our fair voters. It can be easy justification at this point when playing to a biased crowd.
I may try to get another mobile post in later today, but I will be busy enough until my Sunday afternoon to do more than this Infuriating thing:
UNVOTE: Lowell
I had hoped to call a bluff, but people seem intent on following through with this nonsense. I do not have time in the day to manage this.
I do not think I can respond point by point with quotes on this device, but I will reread and try to convey the general idea, Almost50.
You need to explain this "bluff" in explicit terms of what you intended to achieve and how, because this hand-waving makes me think you're lying.-
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In post 532, chilledtea wrote:I am OK with both madonna or lowell lynch today. At the moment the vote is on Lowell, but if you decide I am ok with Madonna. She is objectively scummy.
You should vote Madonna because I'm in a neighborhood with her and she scumslipped, I'm also a daycop and scum with her.-
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In post 587, Sayaka Maizono wrote:I'll be V/LA until MondayI am not caught up since my last post and I see Madonna is at L-1? If for whatever reason you all decide to end day before I come back I will catch up overnight.
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I think we should not end the day before Sayaka returns.
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In post 588, Garmr wrote:Still prefer lowell lynch to a madonna lynch but oh well.
Just because of ego or is there more to this? You've mentioned this multiple times but seem reasonably convinced that both are scum.-
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In post 612, Sakura Hana wrote:Ok so first things first.
1) Knowing now that Madonna's town, i'm mostly gonna be looking at the other ppl voting that wagon.
If you knew that Madonna was town, why did you vote her?
2) Day ended within 2-3 days (more or less the way Lowell wanted), I'm interested in seeing what Lowell supposedly manages to get from short days, enough to want to rush Day 1 before.
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In post 639, Expedience wrote:2) Day ended within 2-3 days (more or less the way Lowell wanted), I'm interested in seeing what Lowell supposedly manages to get from short days, enough to want to rush Day 1 before.
You put both Lowell and Madonna to L-1 and so have no right to say this.
Okay, you didn't, but you basically did.
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In post 641, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 639, Expedience wrote:If you knew that Madonna was town, why did you vote her?
If you're going to misread my words, then at least do it with something that isn't glaringly obvious that is not what i said.
Snarkyness aside, you seem to have missed something from the post you quoted:
In post 612, Sakura Hana wrote:1) Knowingthat Madonna's town, i'm mostly gonna be looking at the other ppl voting that wagon.now
Okay, you didn't, but you basically did.
In post 639, Expedience wrote:You put both Lowell and Madonna to L-1 and so have no right to say this.
In post 640, Expedience wrote:Okay, you didn't, but you basically did.
Uh what?
Well, you put Madonna to L-2, which is basically the same thing. You seemed passively and awkwardly a part of the crowd cheering for the blood of a quicklynch.
In post 640, Expedience wrote:Are you going to vote texcat any time soon or just dance around a bit more?
I'm not going to vote texcat anytime soon, first of all im not entirely sure she's scum, which is why im asking questions tyvm, so im going to dance around more.
So who are you going to vote any time soon? Me? Lowell? Garmr????-
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Here's what I think Sakura's mindset is.
She pushes knighmare, and sees other people following her vote. Then she unvotes quickly and throws shade on the wagon because of her crippling fear of being scumread for being the main proponent of a wagon that flips town. The justification that she gives for this is that she felt uneasy about the wagon.
Then when Lowell and Madonna get run up, she nearly completes the wagons with no unease expressed towards their speed. There were a ton of votes that I think town!Sakura from what I've seen here would've (kinda stupidly) called scummy, but I think that she deemed it best to just let the town lynch Madonna.
In post 612, Sakura Hana wrote:1) Knowing now that Madonna's town, i'm mostly gonna be looking at the other ppl voting that wagon.
This post cements this in my mind, since I believe she worries that the town would say things like this about her if knightmare was lynched and flipped town. Also it's a really scummy post in its own right.
Maybe it's not all as explicit, conscious, or poorly explained as I've made it sound, but that's what I'm seeing.-
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In post 644, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 643, Expedience wrote:So who are you going to vote any time soon? Me? Lowell? Garmr????
Why do i have to vote SOMEONE sometime soon? Why do I have to play the way you want me to play?
Because otherwise other people will vote you, maybe.-
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In post 644, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 643, Expedience wrote:Okay, you didn't, but you basically did.
So you're going to keep pushing something that is false?
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In post 659, Garmr wrote:@chilledtea
Why did you change your vote on texcat to lowell? You are building a case on Texcat (post 629) and then you suddenly shifted to lowell. Why is lowell scummy to you and why did you drop your case on tex and do nothing to push lowell after dropping it?
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In post 673, Almost50 wrote:In post 639, Expedience wrote:In post 612, Sakura Hana wrote:Ok so first things first.
1) Knowing now that Madonna's town, i'm mostly gonna be looking at the other ppl voting that wagon.
If you knew that Madonna was town, why did you vote her?
2) Day ended within 2-3 days (more or less the way Lowell wanted), I'm interested in seeing what Lowell supposedly manages to get from short days, enough to want to rush Day 1 before.
You put both Lowell and Madonna to L-1 and so have no right to say this.
Making up reasons to make Sakura look bad???
1- "Knowing NOW" =/= knew from back then. Sakura made it clear she thought one of them was scum BEFORE the flip. She says she knows now AFTER the flip that Madonna was town.
2- She didn't put them BOTH @L-1. I do realize you corrected this in the following post, but then you go "but you basically did". Even worse, you're pushing her to vote texcat instead, when she clearly thinks LOWELL is the scum.
Here's what I'm getting: YOU are trying your best to deter a Lowell lynch bt creating a wagon on just about anyone else. You're scum. Lowell is scum & Boon is scum. I just want to start with Lowell.
VOTE: Lowell
I'm just having a bit of fun at the scum's expense, relax.
I mean, yeah, okay. As town, I generally try to lynch my scumreads, of which Lowell is not one.
I think Lowell and Boon are both town.
I could accuse you of trying to deter a Sakura lynch by creating a wagon on Lowell while accusing Boon and I. I think you're town, though.-
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In post 674, Almost50 wrote:BTW, even is she did all what you say, you yourself stated it was "what Lowell wanted", yet you would vote anyone BUT Lowell. How consistent are you with your own logic?
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In post 688, Garmr wrote:In post 686, Expedience wrote:In post 659, Garmr wrote:@chilledtea
Why did you change your vote on texcat to lowell? You are building a case on Texcat (post 629) and then you suddenly shifted to lowell. Why is lowell scummy to you and why did you drop your case on tex and do nothing to push lowell after dropping it?
Do you think Lowell is scum?
I been thinking it over and I'm not really to sure anymore.
Is it because of him softclaiming?
In post 588, Garmr wrote:Still prefer lowell lynch to a madonna lynch but oh well.
You seemed like you wanted to lynch Lowell over Madonna yesterday, I expected you to push him today.-
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VOTE: Garmr
I actually read the posts and it's just stuff like "if u were town u wld be more openminded!! where is town motivation??", and it's reachy and dumb.
I felt like Garmr was scum during n1 after Madonna was lynched from the way he was saying he would rather lynch Lowell based on not much, yet he still supported lynching Madonna (since it occured to me that both were probably town). And now like, I dunno, he sees an easier target (chilledtea) and suddenly drops his scumread on Lowell (who he had been tunneling all game)? To be completely fair I could see this coming from town, but it still makes me suspect him.
In 292 he reads Sakura, knightmare and I all as town and I remember it throwing me off a bit, but I think it should've been something that made me look more intently at him. I read the post again and he calls me town while saying that my push on Sakura is bad, even the way that he says it sounds really concilatory.-
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In post 698, Sakura Hana wrote:The ammount of possible night killing PRs doesnt even ammount only to roleblcoks and doctors, there's also bulletproof.
Why were you even assuming roleblock is the only possibility?
It's clearly because he's scum.-
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In post 692, Garmr wrote:In post 690, Expedience wrote:In post 688, Garmr wrote:In post 686, Expedience wrote:In post 659, Garmr wrote:@chilledtea
Why did you change your vote on texcat to lowell? You are building a case on Texcat (post 629) and then you suddenly shifted to lowell. Why is lowell scummy to you and why did you drop your case on tex and do nothing to push lowell after dropping it?
Do you think Lowell is scum?
I been thinking it over and I'm not really to sure anymore.
Is it because of him softclaiming?
In post 588, Garmr wrote:Still prefer lowell lynch to a madonna lynch but oh well.
You seemed like you wanted to lynch Lowell over Madonna yesterday, I expected you to push him today.
I admit the soft claim is a part of it. Just chilled teas interactions with lowell kind of urk me as well. I'm trying to sort out things in my head.
Maybe I'm going a bit over the top here, but how is that an admission?
So basically because you think chilledtea is scummier, I guess.-
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In post 696, texcat wrote:In post 662, chilledtea wrote:In post 659, Garmr wrote:@chilledtea
Why did you change your vote on texcat to lowell? You are building a case on Texcat (post 629) and then you suddenly shifted to lowell. Why is lowell scummy to you and why did you drop your case on tex and do nothing to push lowell after dropping it?
All of this happened a few hours ago.
The vote change was mostly because texcat was on L-4 at the time and seemed intent on defending herself. Lowell was nowhere to be seen. So I voted lowell. I mean I indicate as such by calling it vote parking.
I realize that Garmr already pursued this, but this post just stands out to me as scum yelling, "I'm just going for an easy lynch, I don't care who actually gets the rope."
As to Lowell's theory, it is just too far-fetched to be believable.
First he theorizes that town has a roleblocker. I find this thin to begin with. It's certainly possible that town has a roleblocker, but this is a role that I associate more with scum than with town.
Then he theorizes that I was roleblocked. Out of all the people in this game, I'm not sure why I would be the choice for a town roleblock.
AND that my being roleblocked was the reason for no NK.
He totally ignores the more likely possibility that town has a doc or a jailkeeper to account for the lack of NK. And why propose such a wacky theory? Is he fishing for the doc or jailkeeper to claim?
No offense intended, this is bad and all, but last time I played with texcat she said similar things as town and got lynched d1.-
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In post 730, Expedience wrote:In post 696, texcat wrote:In post 662, chilledtea wrote:In post 659, Garmr wrote:@chilledtea
Why did you change your vote on texcat to lowell? You are building a case on Texcat (post 629) and then you suddenly shifted to lowell. Why is lowell scummy to you and why did you drop your case on tex and do nothing to push lowell after dropping it?
All of this happened a few hours ago.
The vote change was mostly because texcat was on L-4 at the time and seemed intent on defending herself. Lowell was nowhere to be seen. So I voted lowell. I mean I indicate as such by calling it vote parking.
I realize that Garmr already pursued this, but this post just stands out to me as scum yelling, "I'm just going for an easy lynch, I don't care who actually gets the rope."
As to Lowell's theory, it is just too far-fetched to be believable.
First he theorizes that town has a roleblocker. I find this thin to begin with. It's certainly possible that town has a roleblocker, but this is a role that I associate more with scum than with town.
Then he theorizes that I was roleblocked. Out of all the people in this game, I'm not sure why I would be the choice for a town roleblock.
AND that my being roleblocked was the reason for no NK.
He totally ignores the more likely possibility that town has a doc or a jailkeeper to account for the lack of NK. And why propose such a wacky theory? Is he fishing for the doc or jailkeeper to claim?
No offense intended, this is bad and all, but last time I played with texcat she said similar things as town and got lynched d1.
Actually I take this back, I went and checked to discover that she sounded more reasonable than I remembered.
I'm scumreading texcat a bit, but she isn't a priority lynch.-
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In post 732, Garmr wrote:In post 727, Expedience wrote:VOTE: Garmr
I actually read the posts and it's just stuff like "if u were town u wld be more openminded!! where is town motivation??", and it's reachy and dumb.
I felt like Garmr was scum during n1 after Madonna was lynched from the way he was saying he would rather lynch Lowell based on not much, yet he still supported lynching Madonna (since it occured to me that both were probably town). And now like, I dunno, he sees an easier target (chilledtea) and suddenly drops his scumread on Lowell (who he had been tunneling all game)? To be completely fair I could see this coming from town, but it still makes me suspect him.
In 292 he reads Sakura, knightmare and I all as town and I remember it throwing me off a bit, but I think it should've been something that made me look more intently at him. I read the post again and he calls me town while saying that my push on Sakura is bad, even the way that he says it sounds really concilatory.
So can you actually make a point as to how I am scum?
Disagreeing with a town read isn't scummy I do think your points on sakura were null and her overall behaviour reminded me of town at best you even ended up agreeing with me so wtf are you saying now you should have enough experience to know something so basic?
I think you were trying to manipulate me.
And now like, I dunno, he sees an easier target (chilledtea) and suddenly drops his scumread on Lowell (who he had been tunneling all game)? To be completely fair I could see this coming from town, but it still makes me suspect him.
Can you tell me how chilled is a easier target than lowell when lowell had the biggest wagon on him and no one besides me is pushing chilled? Also saying that you can see it coming from town kinda negates any point you made using that line of reasoning.
If you were scum, you would think it was because Lowell was softing a power role, or because the wagon on him was dying.
Town can claim scum, but it's something more likely to come from scum.
The Madonna reasoning is meh as it doesn't point to me being scum all it was was me trying to push the lowell wagon more at the time because I thought lowell was more scummy than madonna. You also thought both were scummy and so did many other people and also didn't other people stay on the lowell wagon as well?
Well, you stood out to me. It was as if you'd mhch rather lynch Lowell when you were claiming to only be slightly more sure that Lowell was scum.
I don't see any valid point presented as to why I would be scum.
That's okay, I'm not asking you to vote yourself.-
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In post 738, chilledtea wrote:In post 737, Boonskiies wrote:I agree with Lowell about not seeing the link within Garmr and Texcat. Seems like a stretch from scum. I want to town read chilled, but I may be wrong about that. I've been thinking texcat is a scumfuck for a long time, especially right before Madonna got lynched, and Garmr I always think is scummy when he speaks. All this being said texcat should be lynched, haha. I want to figure out chilled and solidify what I feel on Garmr, and I think Tex is scum! Tex flipping scum, I would no longer think chilled is! Although, I just thought about a potential chilled/Garmr scum team...care of them if they are doing some kind of scum theater. Chilled pushing hard on Garmr yet not voting him is super suspish. Super suspish indeed.
VOTE: texcat
That's 4.
I am ready to vote for garmr as well. But you know, that would be "jumping wagons".
No but seriously, I am ok with Garmr lynch today if people are interested.
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