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I agree Vry shouldn't have four votes on him. The main reason he was voted for was lurking and he was having log on problems.
Now this is interesting, Avinyl hasn't posted about the same amount of time Vry had, but we're not jumping on him.....
I don't know but it seems he is diverting attention from the fact that Avinyl hasn't posted either.Guardian wrote:I'm here but do not have much more to contribute at this time... I have some feelings about who might be mafia (other than those already explained) but at this time they are no more than feelings, and I don't particularly want to tip the mafia off to them...
Vryklan post, seriously, you're looking scummier each day.
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As of right now I am suspicious of Guardian, Avinyl and Vry. I don't believe I have enough make a defenite vote (It's only page 7) but I would like to here from these three regaurding the accusations.
Vry has said only one thing when he came back and that was regaurding the shotgun comment (I don't know how that was taken the wrong way) but he hasn't offered anything substantial since then. I really want to hear from him what he thinks of where people stand.
Avinyl seems to be lurking and his only real accusation was guardian for appearing too town like. This could fit with my Guardian/Avi connection theory.
Guardian is the most suspicious to me for all the reasons mentioned above by Vel but also if you look at his posts he posted dilengently at least once a day (Ussually more) until about the time Vry reappeared. he hasn't posted three days since. This could show he took the Vry distraction to lurk for a bit.-
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I don't exactly get what your trying to say. Could you please clarify.Guardian wrote:Ok then... first off I would like to say that I am still baffled by Occult as he is suspicious of two people I am quite suspicious of (Vry, Avi)... but then also suspicious of me when Vry is and Avi is a little... Maybe this is distancing?
I'm reading this as more of a OMGUS sort of thing. I've said that I am suspisious of you and Avi mostly and that still stands.
Were not even 8 pgs. into this game yet, I'd like to get a better read on the other players before I commit to a vote.-
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I independently brought up the fact that Avi hadn't posted in the same amount of time as Vry. I also brought up the fact you conviently disapeared when Vry showed up after his log in problems. Soon after you reappear and are now attacking me it seems. As I said your accusations seem like nothing more then a lengthy OMGUS.Guardian wrote:My accusation of Occult, however, which he has not addressed, is that of going with the flow on all his voting/fos's, and not independently targeting anyone.
Also your first analysis went from me at 3rd least scummy to being the top four on your radar, I had only one post saying that I disliked Avi post. What's with the sudden change of position?-
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Guardian I have a question now, you posted at least once (Ussualy more) in a day every day until Vry reshowed up, you then stopped posting for three days. When you were called on it you immediatly posted an explanation and are now back to posting at least once a day...
You took Vry's reappearence to lurk it seems. What's your explanation of that? because I find it suspicious.-
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I have one random vote andGuardian wrote: Firstly, please do explain your voting band wagoning if you believe it was in fact justified, or say that you were wrong and it was scummy, or whatever.
And please, as I said earlier, at some point justify your voting record.Have notvoted since then, you need to reread the posts, I'm the one that's taking a stance against speed lynching (Yes, I believe that under 10 pages is a speed lynch).-
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I re-looked over Ichigo's history and I'm getting nothing from him.
Only 10 posts
1 Confirming
2 about tigers
1 apology
2 commenting on the fact that there is not edit button
1 semi-random vote on john
1 basicly calling john stupid
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His other two posts are...
His response to Avi's Accusation, he doesn't address the accusation but tries to go around it.
the other says he doesn't add much because he doesn't know our play styles. He also comments that he has addressed the accussations on him.
He hasn't addressed why he is lurking and I'd like to hear his reasons. Since the origanal accusations were brought up by Avi who was close to lynch I believe Ichigo thought he could sit back while Avi got lynched. On the other hand Avi could be attempting to distance himself from Ichigo.
8 meaningless posts with 2 that say basicly nothing. He's now been gone for another three days
Fos Ichigo
I'd like to hear his thoughts about the players and an explanation for his meaningless posts.-
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I'm here.
Guardian's desire to stay alive may come from him being a newbie, but he has switched between a newbieish persona and an agressive one, this brings up suspisions with me.
But, I believe that our main priority should be sorting out Avi, Ichigo and DLMF. It is likely that one of these three are scum.-
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*cough*John wrote:Peter seems like very good scum to me, he is appearing very pro town and asking just the right questions. he's almost being too perfect of a townie, and it rasies my suspicions, but its mostlya gut feeling.
Currently page 10, is a gut vote acceptable now? Also, we went through the "Too Townie" argument earlier, it isn't a good argument. You say he's asking the right questions and that also gives you suspisions, that's sort of a townie's job.John wrote: DLMF, the gut vote thing doesn't cut it in my opinion. Not Page 5.
Vote: DLMF
Your being hypocritical and using a BS reasoning.-
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Not Really, it was just annoying me. I'm really waiting for Ichigo (or his replacement) to answer the suspicions I posted a page back.Raffles wrote:But anything to contribute?
Also, I want to hear somthing from Avi, more then another "I'm back!". He hasn't added much the game, that also goes for DLMF.
The finished games ahead of this one annoyed me so I bumbed it.
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Avi more so then Ichigo, when someone posts very few times and most of those times the posts don't even have any real content, I find it scummy.
I don't see how I'm banging my head against a wall that isn't there. I have four posts where ichigo is mentioned, one tells why I'm suspicious of him (It's not just lurking) and two of them have him paired with Avi or DLMF(in a 12 player game we really don't need 3 people not posting). I actually haven't really pushed hard for an Ichigo lynch.
Now, was your post a defence of Ichigo, an attack on me or just some sorta of filler post you threw in?-
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Both are just attacking each other. Peter says that a day one lynch is most likely going to be townie and says Guardian is suspicious for being too defensive in trying to stay alive. Guardian basicaly says the opposite.gorckat wrote: The Guardian/Peter debate got interesting with both saying they were being misrepresented...I need to go back and reread the posts in question to see who's right, being too sensitive or just working stuff up.
My veiws
-They seem to be trying to distance themselves from each other.
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Two things:Guardian wrote: And, as a funny aside: wagon him, and see if he still agrees that it is in the town's interest for him to die. Or that he shouldn't try and live. Or whatever diction he would prefer we use.
1) I dislike this statement. You've fought against him for awhile on this and now your asking to use what you took a strong stand against.
2) I see what your saying, but if he was scum it would be in his best interest to act as if its best for town. Your sort of giving him a way to use WIFOM.
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Also, peter why are you going at john for wanting reasons for voting? Not giving reasons is scummy in my eyes. Just because zombie voted for guardian doesn't mean only guardian has to respond to it.-
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I think its a bit of a stretch at the moment. Ichigo's posts had no content in it and zombie gave alternative reasons for voting you.Guardian wrote: Again, thoughts on Peter/Ichigo scum pair?
And I agree with mustafa, the conversation has gone on long enough.
But it gave a lot of information and guardian is looking less scummy in my eyes.
I know I'm beating a dead horse, but every time I go over avi's posts i'm getting mostly scum vibes, I'm not just refering to the lurking. He's given bad logic for his votes, bad defenses for acusations and posts with absolutly no content at all.-
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Occult wrote:
And I agree with mustafa, the conversation has gone on long enough.Guardian wrote: Again, thoughts on Peter/Ichigo scum pair?
But it gave a lot of information andguardianis looking less scummy in my eyes.
I typed in the wrong name by mistake so
EBWOP:Peteris looking less scummy IMO.-
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After re-reading through Avi's posts again, there isn't one thing I like about any of his posts,
-They're extreamly Vague
-Half of of them are "I will post later"
-His accusations hold very little water
Even if he's having internet problems or if he is replaced, he's given nothing good.
vote avi
-2 lynch for him, if you disagree with my vote give me a reason why Avi has done anything productive and protown this game.-
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I believe he needs to justify his accusations. He can keep them to himself if he wants but he's not going to get any support like that.
And guardian, WTF? Just because he comes in here and says "these people are scum." Doesn't make it true, I find your willingness to follow him annoying. I know you don't have much time left but it most likely won't happen that fast. Also, my unvoting doesn't prevent you from doing so.-
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I did and saying john is 100% a SK makes no sense.Guardian wrote:I disagree, we need to reread and see if any of it makes sense.
Instead of questioning way he thinks he has this game down, you basicly asked if he could complete this game in 10 days.Gaurdian wrote: Show me where I said that because he said it it makes it true.
This is the only part of your post that makes sense.Gaurdian wrote:
Yeah I know, seeing a lynch or at least some more progress would be nice though . I didn't unvote because I like my vote on Avinyl so long as he is not at lynch -1.
Finally, Thesp seems to just be looking for reactions with this post. I doubt he has as much of a grasp on this game as his post said he did.-
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Umm,Guardian wrote:
Ok, that's fine, but nowhere did thesp say that John is 100% sk, and also don't respond to my point here and then later say that only one of my points "make any sense."
John IS the serial killer. This part of your post makes absolutly no sense.Thesp wrote:John is the Serial Killer.
Unvote: Occult, Vote: John, since killin the SK is probably better this early than killing mafia.
It wasn't a response it was a question.Guardian wrote: I wanted his response not yours, if there is a reason to believe you aren't scummy I'd love to hear it.
You can disagree with his stances but you clearly believe he is protown. Your first post was excited about how someone agreed with you. And the secound seemed to be an attempt to save face. Also, thep says let's vote peter first and you go ahead and vote peter. I find 2 things wrong with this:Guardian wrote: conclusion that I assume Thesp is town almost goes beyond misunderstanding
1) You say you don't completly trust him, but if that was true you would ask thesp for his reasoning. You justified your suspicions of peter because thesp says peter is scum (with no reason.)
2) If peter turns out town, this sets you up for a "But thesp told me to vote...." argument tommarrow
If I remember correctly you already had one of those on me. Your getting very defensive over posts that weren't attacking you.Guardian wrote:I'm going to have toFOSyou for that.
On a final note whether Thesp is town or scum he made a good play. If he's scum he knows who he could get to go along with him. If he's town he's generated a good discussion and can get a read on everyone.-
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I disagree.Raffles wrote:@Thesp: Yes... a typical raw reaction to what you wrote would be "WTF?". I'm not sure how much information you can gain from that.
I've liked the responses that Thesp generated. Though I'm very wary of Thesp, his first post was great help on getting A further read on everyone.-
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Actually you need 3 mounths on mafia scum and 5 completed if I remember right...Guardian wrote:ebwop: Or lynch me, confirm me as town, you know I trust thesp for good reasons, you know I really think Peter is scum etc... i found out you need 1 completed game to be allowed to mod, so um, help me out?-
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I'm starting to see a very clear split in Strongly Anti and Strongly Pro thesp players. It's an interesting contrast.
Strongly For:
Guardian
Thesp (obviously)
Strongly Against:
Peter
Raffles
john
I don't really know if this means much, but these are the two distinct groups at the current moment. Everyone else is closer to the center and leans one way or the other.-
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Sorry about my slight absence.
First, I don't like Deathsauce's vote on CTD.
Secound, I'm gonna go ahead andvote paradoxzombie
I see the case on VRK, also I didn't completly like his last post but, so it doesn't seem like I'm avoiding a stance on the issue, I'll say I don't think there's enough for his lynch.-
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Intersting responses from Pickem'
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I disagree. If peter had exploded like that it would be very helpful for the town.I could have just as easy voted Peter, but we were nearing deadling, and that wouldn't have accomplished anything, then he would've gotten pissed, then he would draw an argument for 2 pages, which really wouldn't accomplish anything, hurting the town, and I don't want a part of that.-
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gorckat wrote:@Occult...too easy to say blowing up a little thing given the recent VRK 'goof'.
I'm asking for 2 reasons,DeathSauce wrote:Hmmm, CrashTextDummy finds a tiny inconsistency and tries blowing it up into major thing, where have we seen this behavior before? Oh yes, when we lynched VRK, a TOWNIE over nothing!
1.Conversation has kinda died down
2.DS has been rubbing me the wrong way lately and Im trying to get a better read on him.-
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