Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:41 pm

In post 7510, MathBlade wrote:Almost50 and Yoshi are scum together testing the waters for my mislynch because they can't fucking kill me.

If any of you have an actual case other than that "something" being that you have a scum role PM let's fucking hear it.

Assume I am scum. Find my buddies. Because I am damn sure you won't be able to find any. So sit down shut up admit that as scum you fucked up and have a bulletproof innocent child running around who will lynch each and every single one of you to a pulp.

And if I get my way I will start with Yoshi. Making him eat the fact he still hasn't given reasons for reads despite the fact I have asked numerous times. I will take your bullshit "something" til you choke on that something and get lynched and come back to life and then lynch you again with your words hanging out of your mouth with a whimper about how you tried to mislynch me. How do I know I will?

Because I did it with Maxous and brought everyone kicking and screaming. And if I have to I will do it again. And keep lynching scum until you players realize that for once Math can actually be good.

Now you can take your "something" and make a case or I will use your piles of bullshit to find your buddies and demonstrate that Pine and Almost50 are scum as well. This town is not and will not be doing goddamn apathy lynches while I am alive. People will care and if I get lynched it will be because people had no regrets about it.

Your "something" is just an attempt to get others to do your dirty work.

Now I will start by giving you what IS an actual goddamn case.

Ah, yes, your case on me. Some LAMIST shit, some arrogance, some threatening, some loaded words, some opportunism at my lack to present a full case on you, and then a somewhat legitimate claim for my reads (or should I say YOUR reads). This is shit. If this qualifies as a case by your standards, you make it seem very easy. Give me the well-thought reasons you speak of now.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:23 am

In post 7717, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 7715, Not Chara wrote:i addressed the rest of what you said.

all of your scumreads died and flipped town.. so that leaves your one minor scumread who didn't flavour-game the setup to your liking as probable scum, of course.

It's a start. 5 scum left in 13 players, almost half.

Oh I see, he can call out 5 scum and be fine, but when I call it I get scumread.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:25 am

VOTE: Maxous

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:27 pm

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:33 pm

Mission accomplished.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:41 pm

I'll make one too: Not Chara, Almost50, Pine, and MathBlade, although not necessarily in that order. Not sure on an order, just that I am comfortable lynching any of them, mostly for reasons that have already been discussed by y'all and me.

@SirCakez I just did it for the laughs. XD

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:42 pm

In post 7819, Not Chara wrote:
is there some sort of scum utility to pretending i'm blind? which i am, evidently.

No, just an inconsistency, which I guess is scummy.
I don't find it as incriminating as others do, but I do find it scummy nonetheless.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:45 pm

In post 7824, Not Chara wrote:i'm pretty sure the Gaster wingdings messages were written by Skullduggery, and are posted whenever Gaster's abilities are activated.

Did we establish exactly how these were activated, or did you just imply that you know his abilities? Or am I just looking into this too deep?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:02 pm

Not Chara is saying that Maxous did not hand-craft the message that was sent. It was a passive ability.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:16 am

So... MathBlade.
Since this day started, how have you helped this town?

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:21 am

One of MathBlade or Nahdia is scum just by these last pages.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:20 pm

In post 7942, Almost50 wrote:
In post 7827, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 7824, Not Chara wrote:i'm pretty sure the Gaster wingdings messages were written by Skullduggery, and are posted whenever Gaster's abilities are activated.
Did we establish exactly how these were activated, or did you just imply that you know his abilities? Or am I just looking into this too deep?

Considering Maxous was 3P who -by definition- worked alone up until he got lynched I don't see how anyone would "imply they just know shit about his role".
I think you're pushing it too far here and just mud slinging for mud slinging at the moment.

Exactly how I feel about this post.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:22 pm

In post 7947, MathBlade wrote: Mass claim is only for when it is MyLO/LyLO.

This is all sorts of bullshit. You just don't want to claim, I don't know why you could've just said that without all the other shit.
VOTE: MathBlade

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:24 pm

I am serious, you're not doing shit for this town in my eyes.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:25 pm

In post 7953, MathBlade wrote:
In post 7950, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 7947, MathBlade wrote: Mass claim is only for when it is MyLO/LyLO.
This is all sorts of bullshit. You just don't want to claim, I don't know why you could've just said that without all the other shit.
VOTE: MathBlade
Already claimed numbskull.

Bulletproof *sigh*

Please stop this is terribad.

You have an investigative role too, don't you? I thought I remembered you softing or claiming some sort of investigative.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:27 pm

So your solution, keep up with our scumreads. Who'da thunk?

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:31 pm

In post 7961, MathBlade wrote: ...... Let me get this straight. I say claiming is a bad idea and then tell you what I am and then you ask me to drop pants. In what world do you imagine an answer to that?

Well... you claimed BP. The tone at which you posted seems like:"I have already claimed, so I am innocent", but you didn't claim your investigative. You're not denying it.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:34 pm

I'm surprised MathBlade hasn't gone into a long rant on how the no-kill night could have happened. I would have preferred that to what he's doing now to be honest.
At least then I could, at the least, consider it helpful to the town.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:39 pm

I gotta leave in an hour and before I gotta eat dinner. Might be back, might not. See ya!

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:40 pm

If I somehow do get to L-1, at least let me claim.
Let's lynch MathBlade, especially for these last few pages.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:57 pm

In post 7981, Almost50 wrote:
In post 7941, MathBlade wrote:While this is hilarious it is not scumhunting people.
It was meant to be, but Chara was too smart to fall for it.

You see, I told them to replace their name with mine, when it should've been Yoshi's. Had they done it they would have actually been the one who "put the wrong entries in their list" and thus would've been my lynch vote. *Shrug*

I don't get it.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:48 pm

In post 7989, Almost50 wrote:
In post 7975, BigYoshiFan wrote:I gotta leave in an hour and before I gotta eat dinner. Might be back, might not. See ya!
Eating dinner is scummy, and much more so when you don't specify it's contents or even verify it is YOUR dinner you're eating. I think you just scum slipped all the way to the moon, pal.

I had leftover spaghetti and I had to play pep tunes for my school basketball team, is that good enough?

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:53 pm

How are NC and I related? I don't see it.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:09 pm

That might be the first read I've understood and seen as townie from you.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:32 pm

Scum because it is voting me.

Just kidding, but I don't recall it scumreading me yesterday as it says.
Nothing strikes out to me as scum from NC.
To be honest, I like NC's interaction with you right around 7950-ish.
I'm sorry, but your posts there seemed wack, and NC seemed to see it like I did.
I mean... is null acceptable? I'm sure you know by now that when you ask me for a read I won't deliver to the potential you're asking for.
I'm not understanding the scumreads on NC prior to this day, persuade me. I haven't spent much time on NC.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:30 am

Going to school, but I'll answer MathBlade's question about A50.
I don't care if his flavor really is annoying dog, if his wincon is to win with town, he is to help us win, and he is not doing that.
Also, when I expressed my doubt for MathBlade, A50 seems opportunistic in buddying me and the post he did that in was just scummy over, try to appeal to my emotion rather than anything else. I will try to find it later. More on NC later, but I guess because I don't scumread them I TR it. I'm not afraid to make associations, I just don't think it'd be accurate to make one with the lack of information I have of NC.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:40 am

In post 8056, Ankamius wrote:If anyone ever needed an example of scum making things up as they go, that post is literally THE example I would give for that.

Vote me then.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:38 am

In post 8075, Creeps20 wrote:So I think mathblade is acting similar to the standard self from last day so back to scum voting

VOTE: Yoshi

Back to scum voting? What were voting for before then?

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:40 am

In post 8051, BigYoshiFan wrote:Scum because it is voting me.

Just kidding, but I don't recall it scumreading me yesterday as it says.
Nothing strikes out to me as scum from NC.
To be honest, I like NC's interaction with you right around 7950-ish.
I'm sorry, but your posts there seemed wack, and NC seemed to see it like I did.
I mean... is null acceptable? I'm sure you know by now that when you ask me for a read I won't deliver to the potential you're asking for.

I'm not understanding the scumreads on NC prior to this day, persuade me.
I haven't spent much time on NC.

I was kind of asking for what the reads are on NC, because I'm not sure I understand them.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:43 am

In post 8071, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8068, BigYoshiFan wrote:Going to school, but I'll answer MathBlade's question about A50.
I don't care if his flavor really is annoying dog, if his wincon is to win with town, he is to help us win, and he is not doing that.
Also, when I expressed my doubt for MathBlade, A50 seems opportunistic in buddying me and the post he did that in was just scummy over, try to appeal to my emotion rather than anything else. I will try to find it later. More on NC later, but I guess because I don't scumread them I TR it. I'm not afraid to make associations, I just don't think it'd be accurate to make one with the lack of information I have of NC.

Ugh if I didn't want Not Chara first I would vote you right now. This is the definition of scum faking reads.
No one has perfect information except scum.
That whole "not enough information" is shit. If you were Town you wouldn't say "oh well no associations" you would be asking questions trying to figure it out.

What are you saying?

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:50 am

So... why are you voting a scum-read when you apparently think I am definitely scum? That's the issue I see with that post.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:03 pm

That wasn't my question.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:42 pm

In post 8083, Creeps20 wrote:
In post 8082, BigYoshiFan wrote:That wasn't my question.
Thought it was.

In my head if MathBlade was scum then he is a bigger threat as he is largely town-read. You are massively scum read and will probably be lynched without my help

I like that thinking. Fair enough.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:03 pm

VOTE: Almost50
Jump on it!

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:05 pm

In post 8087, Accountant wrote:Creeps is town btw

I'n 95% certain this jester crap by A50 is a bluff.

Where does your TR on Creeps come from?

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:32 am

In post 8107, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8078, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 8071, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8068, BigYoshiFan wrote:Going to school, but I'll answer MathBlade's question about A50.
I don't care if his flavor really is annoying dog, if his wincon is to win with town, he is to help us win, and he is not doing that.
Also, when I expressed my doubt for MathBlade, A50 seems opportunistic in buddying me and the post he did that in was just scummy over, try to appeal to my emotion rather than anything else. I will try to find it later. More on NC later, but I guess because I don't scumread them I TR it. I'm not afraid to make associations, I just don't think it'd be accurate to make one with the lack of information I have of NC.

Ugh if I didn't want Not Chara first I would vote you right now. This is the definition of scum faking reads.
No one has perfect information except scum.
That whole "not enough information" is shit. If you were Town you wouldn't say "oh well no associations" you would be asking questions trying to figure it out.
What are you saying?
Exactly what I said.
Scum know who the scum are. Scum know likely how many people got culted if any.
Waiting to form associations until people post theirs on the board is scummy as fuck because as scum you would know the above and try to manipulate it. It is obvious and sickening.

Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda, Didn't. I'm sick of these "you would do this and I would do this and blah blah blah"
What happened to sticking with the facts?

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:40 am

Do you mean just today or throughout the game?
I've had a conversation with A50 that led me to believe he is scum, but yes, I haven't had any full, engaged conversation with them because I'm focused on bigger threats, AKA you.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:43 am

In post 8126, MathBlade wrote:
....That is facts. Scum know who scum are. Scum try to win.
You are trying to appear to attack me but actually aren't. Again...You don't talk to Not Chara or Almost50. Why?

That isn't all you're saying. Stop manipulating your posts to your favor.

In post 8107, MathBlade wrote: Exactly what I said.
Scum know who the scum are. Scum know likely how many people got culted if any.
Waiting to form associations until people post theirs on the board is scummy as fuck because as scum you would know the above
and try to manipulate it
. It is obvious and sickening.

This is where your post goes from facts to assumption, and a lot of your posts are full of this assumption WIFOM shit to try and make you look better.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:49 am

In post 8110, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8108, Nahdia wrote:
In post 8107, MathBlade wrote:Scum know likely how many people got culted if any.
where are you getting this stuff, math.
Scum would know how many people at the start of the game are scum.
Scum would have a night PT to talk in.
Scum know how many are in said PT.
Scum would know if someone acted differently in said PT.
Scum would also know if numbers less than expected how many got culted if there is a cult with arithmetic.

Holy shit let's not even get started with this one, especially considering this game is bastard.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:53 am

In post 8130, MathBlade wrote:I am not. Scum try to win. So do town. Scum win through manipulation. Town, such as myself, win by finding those people. Again nothing manipulative there.

Almost50+Not Chara thoughts on them?

Nice attempt at switching to a different topic, one I've already answered.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:58 am

In post 8033, Almost50 wrote:Being stubborn = won't look at things even if they poked them in the eye = often wrong because of ignoring obvious stuff and manipulating one's own logic to reach the already designated conclusion.

And I KNOW you're wrong. At least about me. But there's absolutely nothing I can do to help you there, and I'm not going to change my real life character to fit a role playing game, and much less so to fit someone else's perceived idea of how I should play, and ESPECIALLY so when that someone has been more wrong than right in games we played together.

You may see it differently, but I'm calling it as
I
am seeing it. I play to have fun and that's exactly what I'm getting here. This game is FUN. This is also why I decided to stop editing my stats on the wiki for a while. I don't want to have a heart attack from getting too emotional and stuff. I do try to win, but I dropped the part about being pissed when people decide to act strange and be persistent about it.

Thank you.

VOTE TRUMP!

OH! You already did, it seems!

He's picking up on the same things I am. You're assuming how everything is playing out, whether it be how we play or you'd play or what we would notice.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:03 pm

In post 8133, MathBlade wrote:
No you didn't. You gave a wishy washy meh answer. Why aren't you sorting people?

Pedit: Almost50's post is a scum claim. You said you don't see any difference between the scum PT and this one and that requires you to have access TO said scum PT. Mind telling us who the other scums are? Oh and since you don't talk about Not Chara it's probably your buddy.

VOTE: Almost50

I don't think that's what he meant, but I think A50 could answer this better if he also agrees.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:06 pm

In post 8133, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8131, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 8130, MathBlade wrote:I am not. Scum try to win. So do town. Scum win through manipulation. Town, such as myself, win by finding those people. Again nothing manipulative there.

Almost50+Not Chara thoughts on them?
Nice attempt at switching to a different topic, one I've already answered.
No you didn't. You gave a wishy washy meh answer.
Why aren't you sorting people?

Pedit: Almost50's post is a scum claim. You said you don't see any difference between the scum PT and this one and that requires you to have access TO said scum PT. Mind telling us who the other scums are? Oh and since you don't talk about Not Chara it's probably your buddy.

VOTE: Almost50

Again, assumptions. Or, I'm not playing how you think I should play and therefore that's scummy. Either way, I am trying to get the biggest threat to this town out of here and you're gonna keep following up with assumptions on how a townie should play and hope that people will hop on the wagon. (Of course, after you vote last so people can't sheep you and blame you for the mislynch)

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:17 pm

In post 8142, MathBlade wrote:If you don't sort people you be scums. That's not an assumption Yoshi. That's just logic.

A logical assumption. Still an assumption. I'm sorting you, does that not count?

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:24 pm

Surely one of A50 and MathBlade is scum, and I'm most certainly leaning towards MathBlade.
If he flips scum A50 is my newest and strongest townread unless this is one hell of an ingenious bus.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:33 pm

You reread it carefully, I picked up on it (although I wasn't sure how to phrase it).

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:41 pm

In post 8146, MathBlade wrote:I need ice cream.

@Almost50 -- That is what you tried to say and failed. Reread it carefully.

I am not scum and you are trying to not lynch Almost50. This is sad. Icecream for me.

What's the point of this pity post? No one's voting you and you seem pretty damn confident in who scum is. This is fake.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:56 pm

What are you frustrated by? My vote? A vote from someone who is so obviously scum? My posts?

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:08 pm

In post 8154, MathBlade wrote:More so that most of my town reads have quit playing the game and the ones that are here are so blatantly scum. It's that the more you post shit and the more nothing happens I realize that town apathy may happen. AGAIN.

My god this is fake.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:10 pm

VOTE: MathBlade
Hell no, I'm not helping this lynch.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:11 pm

Get your vote off of yourself ffs.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:15 pm

Mind sharing?

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:31 pm

And through those few posts I townread Not Chara, is that good enough for you MathBlade?

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:38 pm

In post 8170, Narna wrote:I don't want to lynch Yoshi either, but Math and Cakez sullied the a50 wagon. I don't believe a townie would follow that vote in good faith.

UNVOTE:

I'm tempted to vote Cakez, but I need to read what Shiro said about him when I have time.

YES YES YES!
Narna in my townreads too.
SirCakez in scumreads.
Is this good enough for you MathBlade?

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:41 pm

In post 8171, Almost50 wrote:OK. guys. My "scum buddies" have requested that I remove my vote off myself, so..

UNVOTE:

This also helps me try to prevent Ank from getting the hammer on me.

Now he real talk:

Math is making no sense at all. Early on when they had just replaced in they where making more sense, and thus I suspected them for being scum (meta read on Mathblade). Now that they are back to their nonsensical nature that scum is starting to wear off, but I'm worried about them readjusting their playstyle precisely for that purpose: appearing like Tonw!math.

BigYoshi has recently felt more genuinely puzzled, so my scum read on that slot has been temporarily revoked as well.

Now I think ther has to be at east one scum in Accountant/SirCakez. Notice how Accountant -for instance- only pooped up to cast a vote on me then disappeared a while only to come back and place a useless post and back to the deep of the ocean they dived.

Scum are letting Math do their work for them while trying not to appear in the picture themselves, thus subtly casting votes and withdrawing from the scene. The Town IS indeed doing the Scum job for them, and pretty damn well too.

VOTE: Accountant

@Chara:

Yes, I was trying to do "that" thing *Meaningful Wink* but that was NOT "all" I was trying to do, hence your confusion.

So... MathBlade making no sense makes him townie to you?

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:43 pm

In post 8175, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8173, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 8170, Narna wrote:I don't want to lynch Yoshi either, but Math and Cakez sullied the a50 wagon. I don't believe a townie would follow that vote in good faith.

UNVOTE:

I'm tempted to vote Cakez, but I need to read what Shiro said about him when I have time.
YES YES YES!
Narna in my townreads too.
SirCakez in scumreads.
Is this good enough for you MathBlade?

No because you didn't say why. Because you can't because you are scum and you will not mislynch Cakey. Try somewhere else in Not Chara/Almost50/yourself.

I agreed with them. Do I need to say why I agree? They explained it for me, I was getting the same feels on SirCakez with his vote on A50, but I didn't think it was anything worth sharing at the moment.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:44 pm

In post 8166, Not Chara wrote:
In post 8154, MathBlade wrote:More so that most of my town reads have quit playing the game and the ones that are here are so blatantly scum. It's that the more you post shit and the more nothing happens I realize that town apathy may happen. AGAIN.
if you're town, you're too blind to realize that most of the scum are silently coasting.

I also strongly agree with this, and it's also something I overlooked.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:06 pm

Mafia neighborizer, hmmm....

Narna, what makes you say that?

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:06 pm

Mafia neighborizer, hmmm....

Narna, what makes you say that?

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:07 pm

In post 8184, Accountant wrote:
In post 8180, Almost50 wrote:If you're Town: Your reads are guaranteed to be TERRIBAD, so he's likely Scum.

If you're Scum; it sounds like you're trying to protect a scum buddy, so he IS scum.

Either way you slice it, Cakez is back to being a prime suspect of mine.
get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50 get a50

What about this screams SCUM!!!! to you?

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:17 pm

Is there anything that proves Nahdia is a Jailkeeper. Have any of Nahdia's targets confirmed that?
Maybe Nahdia isn't a jailkeeper at all.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:26 pm

I don't scumread any of them. Ank is more of a null, but not a scumread.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:39 pm

In post 8203, MathBlade wrote:And why are you answering a question meant for Almost50?

Because I want to. Also, I didn't see "three", but I thought you were referring to Narna and Ank too.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:42 pm

In my mind when I read it, it seemed like you were referring to all of them.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:46 pm

And you question why nothing in this thread gets done because...
I really don't have an answer, I just wanted to answer.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:52 pm

In post 8212, Almost50 wrote:
In post 8197, MathBlade wrote:I object wholeheartedly to a Cakez lynch. Second of all how do you know all three of you are for the lynch?
Because we are scum partners and have already discussed it in our PT! I slipped!

@Yoshi:

See what I mean? DOES NOT READ! Or rather; reads specific poss and skims the rest.

Right... but this is supposed to be townie to you?

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:56 pm

In post 8218, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8215, Almost50 wrote:
In post 8199, MathBlade wrote:And why would you guys all agree when some of you supposedly scumread each other. Doesntthat give you any pause?
Exhibit #2
What is this an exhibit of? The three of each of you have expressed a scumread of some kind on Yoshi or Almost50 or Not Chara. Are you all saying now you magically all townread each other and are going to vote Cakez because pigs fly?

Precisely.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:05 pm

In post 8216, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 8212, Almost50 wrote:
In post 8197, MathBlade wrote:I object wholeheartedly to a Cakez lynch. Second of all how do you know all three of you are for the lynch?
Because we are scum partners and have already discussed it in our PT! I slipped!

@Yoshi:

See what I mean? DOES NOT READ! Or rather; reads specific poss and skims the rest.
Right... but this is supposed to be townie to you?

@A50, answer pweez.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:12 pm

In post 8223, Accountant wrote:I'm pretty sure that scum is generating apathy by spamming. I propose we lynch everyone who generates above 15 posts a day.

Then I don't see how you're not scumreading MathBlade, wait, are you?
Also, that proposition overall is just stupid.

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:28 pm

You said it yourself, he seemed scummy when he first joined. If he's changed his game to nonsense and whimsy surely that has alarms ringing.
I still scumread him

BigYoshiFan · Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:32 pm

Sorry. I'm in a bad habit of it now. Keep correcting me.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:34 am

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:25 am

Yep SirCakez is scum with MathBlade.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:26 am

Well... maybe not. This almost seems to obvious.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:30 am

In post 8246, SirCakez wrote:
In post 8158, BigYoshiFan wrote:VOTE: MathBlade
Hell no, I'm not helping this lynch.
This reads like chainsawing

And so does this.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:35 am

I'm fine with Cakez, but I would prefer MathBlade. I think a lot more can be read from the associations he's made with people if we knew his alignment.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:21 pm

I'm for the Cakez lynch.
VOTE: SirCakez

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:35 pm

In post 8271, Not Chara wrote:Nahdia uses they/them, Math.

i wanted to lynch Peregrine because he hasn't been here at all today. i don't really mind if no one goes for it.

stopping Ank from getting a kill is just bad. he's town, let him hammer and give us a vigilante kill already.

VOTE: Yoshi
i'll lynch Almost if it comes down to it, but i don't think he's scum.

What happened?

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:39 pm

In post 8275, Creeps20 wrote:
In post 8124, MathBlade wrote:Roles aren't alignment indicative.

I don't give two shits about proving a role. I use what is already out there and then look for contradictions. If this game was nothing but VTs it is still Mafia. He was given ample time to hammer and made posts saying it was a trap and he wouldn't. He was defending Maxous until we flipped him. Town eventually came around and did it and Yoshi was because it was inevitable.

If he is Town he can prove he is by posting and interacting.

Furthermore this is a lot of words not about that trio. What are your reads on them?
Sorry for the long wait. Internet issues.

Anyways almost seems trolly scum,
Yoshi = Conf!scum
I am not too sure on chara though

And y'all call my reads fake.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:48 pm

Eh, nothing. I'm just really sad you don't share the same reads I do.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:44 pm

I'm fine with a massclaim, I would prefer to not be the first to claim however.

BigYoshiFan · Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:30 am

Softclaim, I am probably the reason why there wasn't a night kill.

BigYoshiFan · Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:36 pm

In post 8338, Creeps20 wrote:
In post 8334, BigYoshiFan wrote:Softclaim, I am probably the reason why there wasn't a night kill.
Welp. I also know flavor from this too.

You may want to just full claim

Then get your vote off me.

BigYoshiFan · Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:50 pm

Why do you care? You don't think you're chainsawing, I got it.

BigYoshiFan · Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:27 am

Does anyone else see the cakez/math scumteam?

BigYoshiFan · Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:29 am

In post 8343, SirCakez wrote:
In post 8341, BigYoshiFan wrote:Why do you care? You don't think you're chainsawing, I got it.
I care because you used some bullshit to accuse me, I refuted it, and then you just ignored it to fit your own story better.
You're scum.

I didn't know it required a response.

BigYoshiFan · Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:59 am

Don't give me meta shit. I wouldn't trust your meta anyway.
And why are you giving me meta instead of anything from THIS game?

BigYoshiFan · Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:44 am

I don't think you pushing for Maxous' lynch gives you any towncred and I don't think ignoring your meta is scummy at all.

BigYoshiFan · Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:45 am

Also, are you calling Maxous' lynch a mislynch?

BigYoshiFan · Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:31 am

That's pretty WIFOM to assume towncred for lynching Maxous (like all of your arguments are).

BigYoshiFan · Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:07 pm

Then why the hell did you post that, just to get me to full claim?

BigYoshiFan · Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:01 pm

I agree that PV missing in action doesn't make him scummy.

BigYoshiFan · Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:49 pm

In post 8361, SirCakez wrote:
In post 8345, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 8343, SirCakez wrote:
In post 8341, BigYoshiFan wrote:Why do you care? You don't think you're chainsawing, I got it.
I care because you used some bullshit to accuse me, I refuted it, and then you just ignored it to fit your own story better.
You're scum.
I didn't know it required a response.
It obviously did
In post 8344, BigYoshiFan wrote:Does anyone else see the cakez/math scumteam?
You think scum would defend each other this obviously?

Possibly. Ask MathBlade about that concerning his read on A50 and me.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:43 pm

I didn't read through all of the posts, but I saw multiple claims for a full claim.
I am Toriel.
1-shot Universal Doctor and Priestess
I can heal everybody during the night once and I can't hammer.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:48 pm

VOTE: MathBlade
Don't have much time until Thursday.
Counterclaim me if you dare.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:58 pm

I think of a Math/Gio/Narna scumteam now.
I still find it hard to believe that Narna could have just derped, now I'm not seeing that possibility.
I think it even makes it likelier that Narna is scum because MathBlade was defending them so much when suspicion was cast about them.
Of course if Narna is scum Gio is scum, and I don't find Gio very towny either. Just throwing it out there that this is my new theory.
When did Gio claim his role? That may affect this theory.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:06 pm

Everyone MathBlade's hammered on (as in had an argument with) is town.
I'm obviously an example, but disputes with Ankamius and Nahdia can be as well.
I've noticed that he's let people slip under the radar, and I accuse those as their partners.
I think Creeps20 would be a good example of this.

As of now I think the scumteam is Math/Gio/Narna/Creeps20
If there is a fifth one, it's not Ankamius or Nahdia. Not sure where to look for that one, but I think relationships (or lack of relationships) with Math is key.
Of course all of these reads are based on Math, but that's all the reads I've made.
Now, I seriously need to focus on finals.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:07 pm

Nahdia, now that you think I am town (based on your unvote), does your view of MathBlade change?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:11 pm

I think Day 4.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:15 pm

I dunno, I didn't see a reason to.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:16 pm

I was hoping MathBlade would go on some crazy rant to explain why there was no nightkill.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:21 pm

NO NOT HIM EITHER HE IS TOWN.
I forgot to include him in my townreads.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:42 pm

In post 8400, BigYoshiFan wrote:Everyone MathBlade's hammered on (as in had an argument with) is town.
I'm obviously an example, but disputes with Ankamius and Nahdia can be as well.
I've noticed that he's let people slip under the radar, and I accuse those as their partners.
I think Creeps20 would be a good example of this.

As of now I think the scumteam is Math/Gio/Narna/Creeps20
If there is a fifth one, it's not Ankamius or Nahdia. Not sure where to look for that one, but I think relationships (or lack of relationships) with Math is key.
Of course all of these reads are based on Math, but that's all the reads I've made.
Now, I seriously need to focus on finals.

Oh, and Creature too.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:43 pm

Toriel is undoubtedly a character that would be included in this game.
Toriel is undoubtedly a good character.
No one is cc'ing me.
DO I HAVE TO MAKE IT THIS SIMPLE?!
You wanna play the replacement game? Creature's ISO looks awful too.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:44 pm

In post 8414, Accountant wrote:
In post 8409, BigYoshiFan wrote:NO NOT HIM EITHER HE IS TOWN.
I forgot to include him in my townreads.
VOTE: Yoshi

So you think my claim is a lie?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:48 pm

In post 8421, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5523, SnarkySnowman wrote:
In post 5508, Shiro wrote:The revolution is at hand.

Let's lynch

Vote:Almost

Join me brave warrior. J
i support this if we cant all just get along
Yep this is scum. No way Snarky doesn't use it after the clusterfuck of a Shiro day.

So you believe I have the ability to heal everyone, you just doubt when I would use it. Mhmm....
What are you basing this off of? Does assuming when someone will use their ability make a valid argument AT ALL?
JESUS CHRIST I AM GETTING SO PISSED.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:49 pm

In post 8424, Nahdia wrote:
In post 8422, BigYoshiFan wrote:Toriel is undoubtedly a character that would be included in this game.
this is a terrible assumption. Skullduggery is experienced enough to not have their games easily flavor broken.

Eh, could be my bad.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:51 pm

Let's not shoot the dog.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:53 pm

In post 8422, BigYoshiFan wrote:
Toriel is undoubtedly a character that would be included in this game.

Toriel is undoubtedly a good character.
No one is cc'ing me.
DO I HAVE TO MAKE IT THIS SIMPLE?!
You wanna play the replacement game? Creature's ISO looks awful too.

You see this MathBlade? Easy pickings right? Naive assumptions; you can't resist!

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:56 pm

In post 8429, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8422, BigYoshiFan wrote:Toriel is undoubtedly a character that would be included in this game.
Toriel is undoubtedly a good character.
No one is cc'ing me.
DO I HAVE TO MAKE IT THIS SIMPLE?!
You wanna play the replacement game? Creature's ISO looks awful too.
I think it is a mod given fake claim yes. I have played Undertale and Toriel heals one person the protagonist and then the protagonist must defeat Toriel to continue. So it is either a fake claim or you are a "boss" that must defeated and you are friends with Sans. If this game could be flavor broken it wouldn't be bastard. Skull seems too smart for that.

If you wanna look at Creature's ISO be my guest I replace into a slot and I can demonstrate where Creature was looking for other bulletproof people because they would be scum or 3P. Try it I fucking dare you.

Why does BP make them scum? Could he not be looking for who to avoid to kill?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:56 pm

In post 8431, MathBlade wrote:Your lynch is not easy. At this point getting almost all of town to agree on Maxous was bad enough. You is harder because you are likely group scum.

You're telling me...

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:03 pm

I dunno what gives you that impression, but I'd rather not have an explanation.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:08 pm

Why don't you go ask Snarky then?
I don't see how any day is more optimal than the other. The "A NEW FACTION" thing gave me motivation to use it.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:21 pm

I am using my infinite vote ability now.
VOTE: MathBladeVOTE: MathBlade
VOTE: MathBladeVOTE: MathBlade
VOTE: MathBladeVOTE: MathBlade
VOTE: MathBladeVOTE: MathBlade

P-edit: Because Math is scum. That's the main focal point of my TR on A50.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:24 pm

In post 8442, MathBlade wrote:Lynch Yoshi tomorrow. Die scum die.

What happened to today? *gasps*
I GET TO LIVE?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:25 pm

In post 8444, Accountant wrote:even if math IS scum that's the worst preflip associative logic I've ever seen

& you're apparently so convinced math is scum pushing mislynch thru that you're willing to ignore stuff like a50 claiming scum

Is there where he supposedly claimed he can see the scum thread?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:27 pm

Yes, because an infinite voter exists.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:32 pm

[float=][/float]Yes, did I forget to mention I am Toriel, the 1-shot universal doctor, priestess, infinite-voter.
Let us see your will, hurry. Time is a-wasting until Skull flips you.

P-edit: Mhmm, you get it. But still, it hasn't crossed your mind that an infinite voter itself sounds absurd?

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:36 pm

Btw I lied about being a priestess, you really did get hammered.

BigYoshiFan · Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:39 pm

Did I forget to mention I am a dayvig too?
VOTE: Shoot: MathBlade
Did I hear overkill? No, no such thing.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:21 am

In post 8488, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 8468, Ankamius wrote:PeregrineV: You aren't bad enough to think I'm scum this game. How haven't you figured out I'm town yet?
I think you're town.

Given my notoriously wrong reads, you're probably scum.

Right now, I feel like we either have enough claims to solve or test them, but even that supposition is getting no support.

Mathblade is looking more and more like he's trying to look productive than I feel he actually is productive.

That's the phrase I'm looking for! PV is town.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:22 am

In post 8457, Accountant wrote:yoshi is trolling because he's caught scum and wants to shit up the thread even more before he inevitably gets hammered in the hopes that people will be too unmotivated to catch his scum buddies

We hang you next for your shallow reads.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:26 am

In post 8479, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8478, Almost50 wrote:@Mathblade:

Well, since you're at it; why don't you also tell us why JFK was killed? nah! That'd be to easy.

OK, try this link and solve the 10 mysterious murders of all time:

http://listverse.com/2014/03/28/10-comp ... ver-solve/
Why JFK was killed was the easy question. Who is the harder one.

And no. Just no. That is a) irrelevant and B) not Mafia

This is a good example. He has unnecessary, unprovoked posts that look make him look like he's busy.
P-edit: So... town PV is lurkPV? Also, why the unvote?

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:41 am

Care to explain? I am intrigued.
Also, I hear no denial to faking to look busy.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:54 am

In post 8496, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8495, BigYoshiFan wrote:Care to explain? I am intrigued.
Also, I hear no denial to faking to look busy.

The denial part is implied obvious and duh.
I am a bit busy to disagree with every point of bullshit. PV meta incoming.

It's not obvious and duh, you probably can't think of a rebuttal. Anyways, I'll inspect this meta.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:10 am

In post 8507, SirCakez wrote:
In post 8503, MathBlade wrote:SirCakez what do you think of PV?
PoE scum.
In post 8504, Nahdia wrote:
In post 8502, SirCakez wrote:This claim seems fake as hell
Not really, considering we have no other explanation for zero deaths. What seems fake about it?
Not everyone has claimed. Plus you're a Jailkeeper yeah?
Couldn't scum have attacked your target?

P-edit: Also all of the things Math just listed
It looks fake because of how convenient it is.
In post 8505, MathBlade wrote:Oh and the Pine slot?

Damn out of ice cream after tonight.
Nulltown, mainly due to how crazy townie Andrius was

I do believe I said "probably" the cause of the no-kill night.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:12 am

In post 8502, SirCakez wrote:
In post 8396, BigYoshiFan wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, but I saw multiple claims for a full claim.
I am Toriel.
1-shot Universal Doctor and Priestess
I can heal everybody during the night once and I can't hammer.
This claim seems fake as hell
In post 8400, BigYoshiFan wrote:Everyone MathBlade's hammered on (as in had an argument with) is town.
I'm obviously an example, but disputes with Ankamius and Nahdia can be as well.
I've noticed that he's let people slip under the radar, and I accuse those as their partners.
I think Creeps20 would be a good example of this.

As of now I think the scumteam is Math/Gio/Narna/Creeps20
If there is a fifth one, it's not Ankamius or Nahdia. Not sure where to look for that one, but I think relationships (or lack of relationships) with Math is key.
Of course all of these reads are based on Math, but that's all the reads I've made.
Now, I seriously need to focus on finals.

Where did your scumread on me go?

With this new Gio/Narna scumteam theory I thought the chances of you being scummy are lesser. Also you did mention that scum probably wouldn't defend themselves as openly as you did. I believed it at the moment.
Your posts are getting worse as we continue though.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:19 am

In post 8516, MathBlade wrote: You would be 100% the cause if truth telling and would have brought it up instead of waiting.

Again, please don't tell me how I would play.
Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda, Didn't.
I was hoping that you would rant on how a kill was avoided and I could get a better analysis on you through that, but no.
Why was the lack of a kill lacking interest from you (as in, you didn't rant about it)?

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:21 am

Asked about it, left it in the dust, same thing.
You had a HUGE rant when you replaced in, and you didn't have concrete proof of a liar then.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:27 am

Anyone could have figured out someone was messing with results. You had

no concrete evidence of a liar

, as you said you need in order for you to rant.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:28 am

In post 8519, MathBlade wrote:That is the second or third time you have asked me that question Yoshi. You sure you're not a tape recorder? Same question gets same response.

Could you remind me of where I mentioned this and you responded with roughly the same answer?
I recall bringing this up and you ignored it.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:35 am

Mmmmm. You're right, I guess I didn't see it as a response to me.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:43 am

In post 8527, MathBlade wrote:So yeah it is old and annoying. Stop spamming. With Maxous I had it it was just so damn hard to explain.

Sorry, let me go pity myself with some ice cream.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:47 am

In post 8530, MathBlade wrote:No ice cream for the scums.

*takes MathBlade's ice cream*

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:50 pm

I didn't even understand he was referring to the neighborhood.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:53 pm

Sorry....

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:00 pm

Maybe he has a stage which makes him third-party. I wouldn't blame him for wanting to attain it so badly, given this town has fallen to shit.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:03 pm

Come to mommy Ankamius. I still love you. <3

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:16 pm

I like Nahdia's responses here. They make MathBlade's reads look a bit worse tbh.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:19 pm

In post 8623, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8621, BigYoshiFan wrote:I like Nahdia's responses here. They make MathBlade's reads look a bit worse tbh.
Scum be trolling trolling

In the words of you: Stop spamming.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:06 pm

Mmmm... I might be able to compromise on the dog now.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:09 pm

In post 8637, MathBlade wrote:When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Is this a response to anything in particular, or did you just casually ignore people's reaction to you thinking my claim is bullshit.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:10 pm

Nevermind, I don't wanna compromise on the dog now.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:31 pm

In post 8693, JaeReed wrote:Is it short? I'm not reading a wall case.

Welp, then MathBlade was the wrong person to ask.

BigYoshiFan · Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:39 pm

Also Jae, if it isn't too much, can you read the post after that too? I just want your opinion on that too.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:17 am

In post 8706, Giovanni il Pellegrino wrote:Have we ruled out the possibility of Maxous doing the nightkills? It would explain a lot of things, including but not limited to:

1) The fact that we have hit only Townies thus far.

2) The fact that the nightkills seemed random.

When the mass replacing happened, Skullduggery said that "there are at least two opposing factions that cannot win together". This is, obviously, a very broad sentence, but it doesn't rule out the possibility of Maxous being the only town-opposing faction up until his death.

What we know about Maxous's role:

1) He claimed to be Ascetic
2) He claimed to be a Roleblocker.
3) He shits a faction upon death (yes, I don't think we can dispute that).
4) He had a selection of game-affecting skills.

This role already seems overpowered for a regular third party. He is a faction-creating ascetic roleblocker that can mess with core functions of the game. Why would a role such as this be considered at all in the setup if it wasn't for the fact that it is the sole adversary to Town? Add to the role's features already described the ability to nightkill and you have literally a one-man scumteam. Also, the fact that details of his role weren't published could indicate that said details would actually help Town significantly with what is going on.

-------
I started thinking about the aforementioned possibility because literally I cannot scumread anyone in this game right now.

And while I cannot exactly townread BYF at this point with his previous day track record, I am troubled by the fact that nobody else claimed to be responsible for the absence of nightkill. If someone knew he/she/they were responsible, they should had come out and counterclaimed BYF.

UNVOTE:

Unless something significant happens, my vote will again go to BYF.

Here's what I gathered:
I'm gonna throw out the possibility that scum doesn't exist so I can sneak under the radar as scum.
Also, I'm gonna unvote BYF since I have to now that he's claimed, but keep my suspicions on him so I am backed-up when I vote him again.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:29 am

In post 8764, Almost50 wrote:
In post 8734, Not Chara wrote:SirCakez
PeregrineV
BigYoshiFan
Almost50
Creeps20
Giovanni

continuing with the assumption that clears are clear (which is in-line with my townreads within the group, barring Giovanni), these are the only players i'd be willing to lynch today. so, my unvote is a bit moot. i'd still like to examine them to see who i'd prefer.
Actually, I'm willing to go against the tide and declare all clears to be uncleared, and thus won't be taking them into consideration until someone flips and their alignment is confirmed. In fact, the one who would provide us with the most info in that circle would still be Narna, but I'm not willing to flip that slot just yet since we do have better lynch targets in Nahdia, Accountant and Cakez.

Yes, agreed. I don't particularly like that NC's list was based on supposed clears.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:46 am

In post 8854, JaeReed wrote:It's in the neighbourhood, but the claim was town as fuck.

Wait... who is this referring to?

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:56 am

In post 8867, MathBlade wrote:The world is ending because I agree with Nahdia on JaeReed but the problem is I agree with Nahdia who is also being weird. Like I am staying out of this for the rest of the day.

Who are you and what have you done with MathBlade?

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:21 am

Yeah, I don't see what the confusion is about either.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:21 am

And you know how rare that is for me.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:21 am

In post 8882, Not Chara wrote:Yoshi: i think what you missed about my list is i'm unwilling to lynch any of the chain clears until Giovanni is dead and alignment confirmed. i think he's scum, but i could be wrong, so it's just a bad idea to be lynching his clears. who of the clears do you want to lynch?

I'm not for the lynch of any of these "clears" in particular. I guess I see what you're saying.

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:21 am

In post 8915, Nahdia wrote:That is, if you want to go on Maxous' word.

What about Narna's?

BigYoshiFan · Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:57 pm

In post 8927, MathBlade wrote:If Maxous was a cult recruiter then the people he recruited would have to be told and change alignments period. Otherwise we would have to all magically find one player to lynch before the halfway mark and if we lynched him right at it we lose and Maxous would pick all the winners of the game. That is insane.

I agree with this.
On a completely unrelated note however, I also agree that setup speculation won't be very helpful.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:33 am

In post 8803, MathBlade wrote:No touchy Cakey.

In post 8835, MathBlade wrote:I am going back to bed. There is no way in hell a large ass group of people were culted last night enough to support 24 hours downtime or I am playing a game I literally cannot win which in that case clear divisions would be drawn which just isn't there.

Goodnight and no touchy Cakey.

In post 8979, MathBlade wrote:...Guys we have 3 days left and one day is Christmas. Discussing dumb lynches like SirCakez is bad. We need to start converging.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:34 am

Did you ever explain your TR on SirCakez? I'll look again, but at a glance I couldn't find it.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:37 am

I see. Thank you.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:43 am

Hey Accountant, can you provide us with some of your reads (at the very least a read on SirCakez).
Also, everyone else who is in the neighborhood too, I would appreciate your read on SirCakez.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:16 am

In post 8992, MathBlade wrote:Town. Trying not to rant while sick and angry.

Fine, but later pweez.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:18 am

In post 8994, Nahdia wrote:he's the lizard queen

This is a legit flavor role? Or, at least, one that he hasn't denied.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:29 pm

In post 9046, JaeReed wrote:
In post 9041, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9038, JaeReed wrote:No, I don't give a crap if you check me or not because you're going to lie about the result regardless. Everything you're doing is pushing things to try and make it fit your scumreads/townreads. You are literally trying to bend the events of this game to your will and it's scummy af and I'm pissed I didn't catch you from it in Shadowrun but I'll be damned if I let you do it to me again. In Shadowrun I handwaved a lot of things as "Math is unreasonable" but the difference is there's some logic to your unreasonableness as town, and there's none here.
Great so you want to policy me because I tricked people in Shadowrun lovely. keep up the good scumhunting. (The last sentence is sarcastic)
That's not what I said and you know it. This is again twisting things. Twisting things is a scum move from you.

Yup, I see it and I've been trying to point it out too.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:45 pm

In post 9059, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9057, Almost50 wrote:
In post 9054, MathBlade wrote:He just wants me gone because I will check him.
Another wild goose to chase. You don't know what goes into their mind, and they sure do have good reason to want you gone. I want you lynched as well, and I'm not your stated target. At some point you wanted Nahdia gone, and -using your own justification process- it must've been because you don't want them to jail you or your partners. You wanted me dead, and -again using the same "I know what's going on in that deep little spot of your brain" reasoning- it must be because you can't kill me yourself or you would lose your powers.

Jae expressed their suspicions and laid their case. Everyone else is entitled to either join their cause or decline, but that's about it. Nobody knows for sure if Jae's stated reasons ARE the real reasons or if they simply saw BAD PLAY and decided to exploit it to their advantage.

What reasons? All I see are "I don't get Math" and
twisting words
. Please find this case I hear so much about.

Whadda hypocrite. He isn't even using twisted words.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:54 pm

In post 9062, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9060, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 9059, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9057, Almost50 wrote:
In post 9054, MathBlade wrote:He just wants me gone because I will check him.
Another wild goose to chase. You don't know what goes into their mind, and they sure do have good reason to want you gone. I want you lynched as well, and I'm not your stated target. At some point you wanted Nahdia gone, and -using your own justification process- it must've been because you don't want them to jail you or your partners. You wanted me dead, and -again using the same "I know what's going on in that deep little spot of your brain" reasoning- it must be because you can't kill me yourself or you would lose your powers.

Jae expressed their suspicions and laid their case. Everyone else is entitled to either join their cause or decline, but that's about it. Nobody knows for sure if Jae's stated reasons ARE the real reasons or if they simply saw BAD PLAY and decided to exploit it to their advantage.

What reasons? All I see are "I don't get Math" and
twisting words
. Please find this case I hear so much about.
Whadda hypocrite. He isn't even using twisted words.
I didn't say he was. I said he said I was. Which is wrong. If anything that was you twisting.

Perhaps I read that wrong? I still don't see where he said you are using twisting words, he's using (what he interprets as) your mindset as further evidence.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:05 pm

But the post I am referring to was made by A50.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:23 pm

In post 9073, JaeReed wrote:For those town and not convinced that Math is scum:

Math has decided SirCakez is town because they can confirm his role through having received the Neapolitan.
Math has decided my slot is scum
despite
my slot claiming VT early, and offering to be the check from Titus, and returning a Vanilla result from Titus. Math has decided my slot is either Goon or Cult because of this.

These two viewpoints cannot exist together and be genuine. They just cannot. This is the logical progression that Math has as town which they do not have as scum. Town Math would decide either Cakez is not town just because of the role being confirmed to them, or they would decide that my slot is town. There would be consistency. There is not. Ergo, Math is scum.

I have conflicted feelings.
Happy because someone else sees him as scum and is voting them.
Sad because through the whole time I scumread him I could not make as compelling a case as this.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:29 pm

I don't know why this is so hard for me to remember. Sorry, again.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:31 pm

In post 9094, JaeReed wrote:
In post 9087, MathBlade wrote:If you are town let me check you then submit to whatever you say. If you aren't VT then we 1v1 tomorrow.
I am VT, and you will say I"m not. Or that you were roleblocked. Or that you were redirected.

We're not doing this tomorrow when we have less mislynches available. You're scum by play. Cakez is scum by play.

I am literally not going to vote anyone who you have tried to push since I replaced in. And even if you DO return that I'm VT like I've been telling you I am still not going to believe you're town, so I'll be telling you to self-vote tomorrow even if you don't claim shenanigans with your check. And you won't. So no, you won't submit to what I say.

Or, you know, he could kill you.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:31 pm

THEY THEY THEY I KNOW THEY

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:32 pm

Why am I not getting preview posts when I post myself?

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:46 pm

I don't know if I trust Gio either.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:53 pm

I said I had suspicions on that before.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:59 pm

There could be an element to the game that makes Narna's role less powerful. Regardless, Gio scum Narna town is not a fact.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:00 pm

I'm sorry, I meant if they are both scum. My brain is fried.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:09 pm

Is that logic or biased reasoning?

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:11 pm

In post 9130, MathBlade wrote:Take a look at Yoshi'S answer. It is sketchy as Fuck because he says there could be a mechanic implying he knows something. Those are the things I look for.
People like PV who post once every blue moon are hard to read for me because of it.

And what I "imply" from this is that is an excuse for of a lack of a read on PV so when you mislynch him the blame is off your shoulders.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:12 pm

Did my claim to be an infinite-voter seem logical to you too?

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:58 pm

In post 9136, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9134, BigYoshiFan wrote:Did my claim to be an infinite-voter seem logical to you too?
It is bastard. As long as it isn't something like 2 role PMs it gets taken at face value and then analyzed for inconsistencies.

Then why would I ever bother making cases when I could just lynch them? Why am I arguing over this? Your self-proclaimed logical abilities are shit when you compare it to how you reacted to my infinite-voter claim.
And how can you play like the way you are if bastard means that roles like an infinite-voter are possible?

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:11 pm

In post 9166, MathBlade wrote:Since we aren't mislynching me today I agree with the notion.

I mean, of course you would, but you'll just put this out there to be more LAMIST.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:26 pm

Well, if Shadowrun Math was concerned with not being lynched and with being listened to, then huge red flags or being thrown considering how many times he's said "so we're not mislynching me" and by how often he posts to ensure he is being listened to.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:30 pm

Sure, but you replaced in during Day 5. It's day 6 and you have more posts than anyone else.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:31 pm

In post 9177, JaeReed wrote:I don't think NC is scum, either. Can we no lynch?

You can keep your vote on MathBlade. If you think he's scum and you're not sure on anyone else, why consider a NL?

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:31 pm

THEY THEY THEY *slaps himself*

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:38 pm

Keep them coming. I know I'm gonna screw up by referring to you incorrectly at least 100 times more.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:39 pm

In post 9187, MathBlade wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... rt_order=d

Fyi town game.

Rach Marie had two/ three more days and Cookie Bakers is a hydra with Titus in it and I missed half of pregame.

I post a lot as either alignment. Let me know if I need to get more.

That still trails in comparison to how often you're posting in this game, but you're right. NAI.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:45 pm

I'm so frustrated with this gamestate. I don't know what to do. I need a hug.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:48 pm

I don't know... my mind is scattered everywhere. PV doesn't seem as far-fetched a vote from me, lemme ISO him.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:49 pm

Already I'm thinking his lynch won't give us much information regardless of his alignment.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:51 pm

Yes, of course, but it makes his lynch seem less appealing to me already.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:01 pm

Btw, I don't think PV is scum. I think my vote fits where it is now.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:07 pm

Now we can call you stubborn.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:14 pm

In post 9219, JaeReed wrote:
In post 9217, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9210, Ankamius wrote:This is the last game we're playing together, then.
Probably for the best if you never actually want to explain your reads or ya know lynch scum.
Considering explaining reads gets us nowhere with you there's honestly no point. You'll just decide that everyone but you is wrong anyway.

Thought it, but didn't wanna be the one to say it.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:30 pm

Well to me, referring to meta isn't logical. To me, someone who keeps referring to their meta is scummy. To me, someone who keeps making unnecessary LAMIST posts is scummy.
These are all reads typical of me, and my playstyle doesn't take meta into account.
The fact that you asked me to lynch PV (someone you have admitted to not having reads on) means you don't have a better scumread on anyone or you want an easy mislynch.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:42 pm

In post 9236, Nahdia wrote:Can I just tell them?

Please... tell us something.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:48 pm

In post 9240, MathBlade wrote:Every emotion I have in every game I do every word I say is genuine. I can't fake emotion and it is nigh on impossible for me to lie. In the rare instances as scum or town I know a person has to I have to go back and put myself in that raw emotion.

There are a few trigger points for me one of which is gender. If you hit those trigger points then and only then do I become a ball of illogical goo. Telling me to figure someone out is about as effective as telling a rock to climb stairs.

Unnecessary... LAMIST... it's all there.
Also, Idgaf. Also, I don't believe you.
How do you play scum without lying? Faking a read on someone has got to be considered lying.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:54 pm

In post 9249, MathBlade wrote:It is completely uncalled for to say I am lying about a mental condition.
I can't explain the reads part without giving away all of my scum play and doing a trust tell. I am ignoring those last two sentences.

Oh my god I didn't understand you were talking about a mental condition. I am so sorry. I'll just shut up now and take a break.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:01 pm

Thanks. Really, I am so sorry. I'll take 1000 ice packs after I go bang my head on a wall a few million more times.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:27 pm

In post 9265, JaeReed wrote:I'm not saying your condition is AI, but you mentioning it to explain why you have difficulties connecting with the more emotional readers this game is, I feel. Also, you are generally more agreeable to at least someone in the game when you're pushing your mislynches as scum but I feel like less people are connecting with you here.

I'm thinking as scum here you wouldn't have needed to explain it, and I kind of feel that you probably wouldn't explain it as scum but rather adjust your play to compensate for the issues people were having, if that makes sense?

In post 9269, JaeReed wrote:
In post 9264, MathBlade wrote:
In post 9262, JaeReed wrote:Yeah I thought the thread was still at where I had read for some reason.

UNVOTE:

I don't have any reads I'm comfortable with pushing to a lynch now. Math wouldn't have brought up what they did as scum I think.
I am transparent as either alignment. I would bring this up as scum or town or 3P. I almost ripped into Wake for Gistou gender shit as I was a balling mess and threw my keyboard. If you are going to townread me so be it but never assume I would or wouldn't do something as any alignment.
Gender stuff is NAI because that's separate from how you're reading people.

This isn't. It's not your reaction to him saying he didn't believe you, it's the fact it was brought up so heavily in the first place. Scum!You would have less need to bring it up because it's not a genuine clash.

I just don't know where that leaves my reads anymore.

My scumread on MathBlade is probably terminated now for this. My suspicions are there, but weakened substantially.

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:28 pm

UNVOTE: MathBlade

BigYoshiFan · Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:38 pm

Creeps20 scum, I conversed with them on something weird he said. They called me confirmed scum once, which is a stretch on words. No reason to TR them.
This of course means Gio/Narna scum. Hard for me to believe Narna just derped. I also think it's... convenient that Giovanni came to Narna's rescue with a weak clear. Did he announce he was gonna check Narna beforehand? PV also hammered on him for not crumbing on who he would target before he claimed, which makes sense to me if you're actually a weak role.
They haven't contributed much lately either. What say you on this theory? Need more?

BigYoshiFan · Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:21 am

So, we're not lynching any of MathBlade, Narna, Gio, or Jae for the purpose of this circle jerk.
Thinking Narna is town, we aren't lynching from their clears of Nahdia, Accountant, and Creeps20.
I hope I'm not being considered for a lynch. SirCakez probably won't be lynched.
Then we have A50, NC, PV, and Ankamius left.
Is it fair to assume that today's lynch will be within that pool?