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Chrimi Mafia Scum
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Shit! I've been outed!In post 11, Rocnix wrote:VOTE: Chrimi
Your terrifying display of circular logic indicates evil and/or a sense of humor!
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Self voting during RVS is a fun way to get some conversation started in my opinion :bIn post 16, implosion wrote:The general consensus on selfvoting is that you should basically never do it as town. In joking situations like this it's generally not the end of the world, but you're likely to earn some extra attention, so it's not advisable. If you are actually under pressure, you absolutely should not selfvote as town. It can accelerate a mislynch that may or may not have even happened in the first place, and denies the town the valuable information of an extra person being on the wagon, among other reasons. Scum will sometimes selfvote when they're at L-1 (one vote away from being lynched), if they see their lynch as inevitable, for much the same reason (it can deny the town information). But as town there are, with very few exceptions, never really any good reason for it.
@shannon, hello.
@AstralFlare: imp-losion isn't even in standard anymore so you don't get to complain :p.
I'm also willing to weakly call Chrimi town for now, but only very weakly. I'd also say AstralFlare is slightly town.-
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I know I started it. I was mostly joking. :uIn post 15, Rocnix wrote:UNVOTE: Chrimi
To be fair, you did kind of start it. While amusing, confusing things by self-voting is probably not the best. You have the benefit of my doubt (for what little it's worth) until we've actually heard from everyone, though.-
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If you check my join date, you can see I have 5 years experience playing mafia.In post 23, AstralFlare wrote:Do you people have any experience with mafia? I'm fresh out of the clusterfuck which is Telegram Werewolf, which was what really brought me back after a year long hiatus. I'm a little more experienced now though, and hopefully a little better at catching the baddies.
Also, I was jokingandwanting to cause discussion.-
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@Rocnix: I went "quiet" because I'm not online 24/7, have other games, and prefer to pick up later on in D1 rather than earlier because I'm terrible at doing anything soon after RVS.
Yes, because self-voting and claiming to be scum in my first post during RVS on page oneIn post 33, implosion wrote:
The read on Chrimi is essentially based on tone. The read on you is because your jump onto the Chrimi wagon is a tad more conspicuous than the moves I'd expect scum to make at this stage of the game.AstralFlare wrote:I'm curious as to how you were able to get a read (however mild) on Chrimi and I after two or three posts each. Is this purely based off tone?isn't conspicuous at all. :b
Anyways, if you're all looking into my meta so thoroughly (lol?), you should look at my early D1 play vs my late D1 play in my town games.-
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WhatIn post 51, shannon wrote:
IMHO having an alt account totally matters in a game like this. It's not like you're playing a hunter instead of a mage and that gives you different abilities. Unless you're faking a whole other personality, an alt in mafia only serves to obscure yourself to get an advantage over players who might otherwise recognise your style and your tells.In post 49, Chrimi wrote:Wait wait wait
Are you guys seriously taking my first post's RVS joking self-vote as somehow scummy?
I've had alternate accounts, as well, not that it matters. I've also played a shitton off-site. :s
I only mentioned alts because for some reason we're going through my meta during RVS?-
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I self voted myself and now people are reading over every post I've ever made on the site. I wouldn't call this "passive" :bIn post 55, PenguinPower wrote:
Good question. It's RVS - why the passive play?In post 48, AstralFlare wrote:Rocnix and Chrimi, why aren't you voting?
I'm a bit preoccupied trying to get people to not think "Oh we caught scum in the first post cause they did this silly thing during RVS that draws attention to them!!" because I would hate to see them try this outside of a newbie game.
Huh. I thought I did but guess not.
Where did you give us the name? I don't see that.In post 54, Chrimi wrote:I was quite literally doing the opposite of hiding behind alts by pointing out that I have an alt and telling you their name so you can go see more of my meta...
It's Viomi - I was much more aggressive on that alt than on this one, back when I used it.-
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Because.. Not voting at this stage isn't scummy?
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I really can't tell if you're joking or not. Honest.In post 59, AstralFlare wrote:Not voting at this stageisin fact scummy. While it's true that we're on page three, it has been a Very Serious Game so far. We're pretty much out of RVS, and are already very much in actual discussion. Your vote would be valued here as a means to add pressure on someone, so we can gauge their response for any scumminess.
And something about the tone of this just strikes me the wrong way. It reads like you're trying really hard to avoid appearing scummy.Because.. Not voting at this stage isn't scummy?
And, it's called sarcasm? Look I'm doing it again.
The "tone" of my words is literally "I don't know what the fuck you're talking about because you're not making any sense and this is obvious shit."-
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When I have reads at all.In post 67, Jibs wrote:Chrimi: when can we expect you to have better reads? How many mafia have voted on you/scumread you?
When we're not on page three so I have any actual information to go off of.
Also when we're actually out of RVS, though it seems like we're getting close to that.
I don't know how many mafia are on me. I'm assuming that they're checking my meta because they're newer players who don't realize it doesn't matter when it comes to RVS. I consider their actions NAI (Not alignment indicative)-
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In post 71, 0x40 wrote:In post 49, Chrimi wrote:I've had alternateaccounts, as well, not that it matters. I've also played a shitton off-site. :s
First you say you have multiple alternate accountIn post 54, Chrimi wrote:I was quite literally doing the opposite of hiding behind alts by pointing out that I havean altand telling you their name so you can go see more of my meta...s, and now it's only "analt?"
VOTE: Chrimi
You will explain this contradiction, along with giving the usernames of all your other alts, if you want this vote to be elsewhere today.-
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Yes but how is not wanting to give the names of all my alts scummy?In post 75, 0x40 wrote:
I honestly can't tell if you seriously believe in what you're saying right now or if you're just trying to set up a strawman here. Nobody is voting you just for having alts. Nobody is saying alts are against the rules. I'm voting you for contradicting yourself and then refusing to give the username of your other alt.In post 73, Chrimi wrote:Anyways, is this game an elaborate prank or are you actually going to stick your vote on me the entirety of day one for having alternate accounts? Most players on this site have alternate accounts. It's not scummy, or against the rules.
"ggg-guys, don't defend yourselves! thats not what mafia is abouuuut"implosion wrote:To me Chrimi's talk of alts is uninteresting. A more interesting post is this:
This reads to me as potentially scum-motivated in how defensive it is. The question was why she isn't voting; saying that "not voting at this stage isn't scummy" doesn't actually answer that question, it just deflects it. The second sentence sort of implies the answer of "it's page 3 and there's not enough for me to be confident on to vote," but if that's how she feels she simply could have answered the question that way.In post 58, Chrimi wrote:Because.. Not voting at this stage isn't scummy?
You guys do realize we're on page 3 right?
"sh-she didn't word her answer the specific way I wanted her to"
"they were just asking the question c-cause they were curious, not because they're scumhunting!"
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implosion, I shouldn't have to explain this to anexperienced player, but here you go anyways:
Here in Mafia, when people ask questions, it's generally to try and help find scum. So I usually answer questions with the assumption that they think whatever action they're questioning me about is scummy.
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"Why would you assume you were being scumread???"In post 85, implosion wrote: Yes, questions are generally to try to find scum, but that doesn't mean that if someone asks you a question they already think you're scum.
Especially in the context of a newbie game, it's very silly to assume that being asked a question means that you're being scumread by the questioner.
"I mean, it was obvious you were being scumread, but..."In this case it's obvious that you were being scumread (since AstralFlare was voting you), but that's not the point of what I said.
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implosion- you can't honestly tell me you (as an experienced player) think the entire playerlist reading my meta because I self-voted RVS, and assuming that because I don't want to give the names of every one of my alts- is actually useful in some way, right?
Actually, maybe you can, considering you just asked "Why would you defend yourself as town???"-
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I gave it an answer. You whined about the answer not being worded the way you like.In post 89, implosion wrote: He was asking you about why you weren't voting yet. Which is a totally legitimate question, which deserved an answer.-
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People are searching through my meta and starting an extremely early wagon on me for doing literally nothing scummy. It's amusing.In post 91, shannon wrote:What's with the attitude Chrimi?
I think you overestimate how useful meta is. It's not very much an anti-town play, especially since I made that alt0x40 wrote:
Do you have any reason to not give that information? I think seeing more of your meta will help town make more informed decisions on who to lynch, and continuously refusing to give that information without even giving a reason for doing so is very much an anti-town play.In post 83, Chrimi wrote:Yes but how is not wanting to give the names of all my alts scummy?specifically for trying a different playstyle.Meaning, I'm already trying to play very differently in those games, so the meta is going to be exponentially useless.
Mm, if it isn't scummy, then take your vote somewhere else.0x40 wrote:
Where did you answer his question? You never actually explained why you're not voting in post #58, you just said that it isn't scummy, something nobody even implied was the case.In post 90, Chrimi wrote:I gave it an answer. You whined about the answer not being worded the way you like.
This is just plain wrong, nothing else to say about it.0x40 wrote:
Hiding alts is more harmful to town than it is to scum, because it makes it harder to get accurate reads. I guess it could be argued that that information also helps scum get pr reads, but the benefits of town having that information far outweighs the drawbacks of scum having that information. Hiding an alt is almost strictly an anti-town play, and is therefore scummy.In post 78, implosion wrote:Contradictions aren't actually as good of a scumtell as you'd think they are in cases like this. To discern a town post from a scum post, you have to discern whether the post was motivated by town intent or scum intent. A contradiction like Chrimi mentioning that she has multiple alts then only mentioning one of them is extremely unlikely to be scum motivated - scum would not have motivation to intentionally lie in that way, both because it's very unlikely that hiding that extra alt account's information is actually going to help them as scum and because people may notice the discrepancy and call them out (but moreso the first). It's not indicative of Chrimi's alignment because it's far more likely that Chrimi simply misspoke or, as she said, simply didn't consider the hydra worthy of mentioning.-
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Yes, but this information isn't beneficial to anyone.In post 100, 0x40 wrote:
This makes no sense. If it's useless, why bother hiding it? The only legitimate reason for town to hide information is if the information is more beneficial to scum than to town, which is obviously not the case here.In post 99, Chrimi wrote:I think you overestimate how useful meta is. It's not very much an anti-town play, especially since I made that alt specifically for trying a different playstyle. Meaning, I'm already trying to play very differently in those games, so the meta is going to be exponentially useless.
Why are you voting me?
That's not the reason I'm voting you for. Why are you trying to deflect his very legitimate question?In post 99, Chrimi wrote:Mm, if it isn't scummy, then take your vote somewhere else.
It's incorrect. Hiding alts isn't scummy.
Nothing else to say about it? How about explaining why it is wrong, if such an explanation exists?In post 99, Chrimi wrote:This is just plain wrong, nothing else to say about it.-
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Leaning dumb.In post 110, PenguinPower wrote:Here's my take on Chrimi so far:
Self-voting is a good way to get discussion going:
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No, wait, it's a joke:
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No, wait, it's both:
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Oh crap, I caused discussion...about me!:
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I have an alt. Here's the name:
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No, I have two alts, but I only consider it one because reasons:
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No, I have multiple alts, and I can't understand why you want me to give the names:
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Defensive vote because implosion challenged me:
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I'm doing nothing scummy, but I'm going to decide what information benefits the town and not answer questions:
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Leaning scum.-
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No, obviously I don't have an "actual case". It's page five fmlIn post 112, Jibs wrote:chrimi: do you have an actual case on implosion? Does he play like this as town? Do you have any townreads?
I've never played with him so I don't know what he plays like, and I'm not about to go dig up his meta for silly shit like this.
I was mostly just curious as to why he's making up reasons to paint me scummy when he's experienced enough to know that it isn't. Feels like he's following in Penguin's footsteps.-
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I'm really glad none of these points have anything scummy, or even useful.In post 110, PenguinPower wrote:Here's my take on Chrimi so far:
Self-voting is a good way to get discussion going:
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No, wait, it's a joke:
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No, wait, it's both:
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Oh crap, I caused discussion...about me!:
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I have an alt. Here's the name:
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No, I have two alts, but I only consider it one because reasons:
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No, I have multiple alts, and I can't understand why you want me to give the names:
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Defensive vote because implosion challenged me:
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I'm doing nothing scummy, but I'm going to decide what information benefits the town and not answer questions:
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Leaning scum.
Yes, self-voting during RVS is usually done jokingly or to cause discussion among newer players who don't understand it was done jokingly.Obviously.
It's not "oh crap", it's, "You guys are really going to take this seriously enough to search through my meta? l o l"
The alt thing is a total misrep. I only have one actual alt. The second one is called ahydra. If you don't know what a hydra is, take your vote off until you've read enough wiki to understand what one is. You can even ask your friendly IC over there.
Actually, my vote was because implosion was making a very bad case which doesn't make sense from a player with 6 years under their belt. Not defensive. I even said this in my original post. More misrep.
And finally, having alts and refusing to share their names isn't scummy.Get over it.-
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Sorry for the quadruple post, but I feel like maybe the new players don't understand something, so I'd like to explain it.
Here on MS, games usually reach 100 pages pretty easily. The deadlines are that longfor a reason.
Jibs, congratulating implosion on getting me to say something about alignment, as if we were into the game enough that I had been avoiding it for any particular amount of time, is asinine.
implosion attempting a serious case on me before page 5 is asinine, hence why I don't take his case seriously at all.
Penguin assuming that an SE telling him that information doesn't benefit town is somehow scummy, is asinine. I'm telling you that alts don't benefit town much as an SE, regardless of my alignment.
0x40, I do have a good reason, and you whining about it when having alts isn't game related in any way is asinine.
Jibs, assuming shannon is scum because she has literally nothing to go onbecause it's page fiveis asinine.
Astroflare is just being asinine in general, especially with the misreps after I explained that one is a fucking hydra.
Basically, you're all beingextremelyasinine because you don't understand the game. Which is fine, but don't go voting me because you don't understand what is or isn't scummy.
So um, you're wrong.In post 107, 0x40 wrote:
Speak for yourself. I think it could be beneficial, and others have shown interest in it as well. If you don't have a good reason not to give the username of this alt, why are you being so defensive on this?In post 102, Chrimi wrote:Yes, but this information isn't beneficial to anyone.
Still wrong!
Refusing to give information that could be of benefit to town, regardless of how insignificant you think that benefit is, is very much a scumtell unless there's a good reason to keep that information hidden.In post 102, Chrimi wrote:It's incorrect. Hiding alts isn't scummy.
So. So wrong. Self-voting and claiming scum during fucking
You start the game off by self-voting and claiming scum. Not only is this scummy, but also so incredibly stupid that it basically confirms you're a VI. A VI getting mislynched is a lot less bad than someone who knows how to play the game getting mislynched, so you being a VI is a valid reason to lynch you even though a VI has the same chance of being scum as everyone else here, as you won't be of as much use to town compared to a non-VI player.In post 102, Chrimi wrote:Why are you voting me?RVSisn't scummy or stupid.
You're going to whine about me not voting during RVS? Nobody puts any pressure anywhere during RVS, because people don't take RVS seriously. At least, people who know what they're doing.After that, you just unvote instead of using your vote to put pressure on potential scum, further proving that you are a VI, and further proving that you have little interest in finding scum.
You then go on to do basically no scumhunting whatsoever, refusing to answer people's questions, and make up your own arguments that you refute instead of the actual arguments that people have made.
If I'm defensive and answer questions, you claim me of being overly defensive scum and not scumhunting. If I'm offensive and make arguments against other players, you say I'm refusing to answer other people's questions.
I am directly refuting the arguments you make, and letting you know that they'rewrong. When people's "cases" on me are "You did something silly during RVS!! im gonna meta the shit out of you and then claim it makes you scummy!! alts?? alts are scummy if you don't tell us all their names!!"
I can guarantee you implosion has at least one alt, but I don't see you pressuring them for it.
Your vote is terrible and useless, just like every point you've made so far. Try again.Yeah, I'd say that my vote is pretty well-placed where it is right now, but if you think there's someone else that my vote should be on, I would like to know who that is and for what reasons.
PEDIT: PP: "I-It's not about the case I just posted that makes you scummy, it's uh... It's all of it together! Waffling and defensive, even though I'm not going to provide any examples."
Yeahuh, keep that up buddy. You'll paint me scummy someday, I promise.-
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inb4 "Tell me all their names or my vote is staying on you!!!"
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In post 124, 0x40 wrote:
Why don't you go read the wiki? If you did, it should be abundantly clear that a hydra is a form of alt.In post 117, Chrimi wrote:The alt thing is a total misrep. I only have one actual alt. The second one is called a hydra. If you don't know what a hydra is, take your vote off until you've read enough wiki to understand what one is.
Now you're just repeating yourself. It's scummy. You can say that it's not all you want, but unless you can explain why it isn't scummy, I don't think you're convincing anyone. Why can't you even give a reason as for why you can't give the name of your hydra alt?In post 117, Chrimi wrote:And finally, having alts and refusing to share their names isn't scummy. Get over it.
Burden of proof is on the person making a claim. You're making a claim it's scummy, so you give the reasons why.-
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I would recommend reading my posts.In post 130, 0x40 wrote:
Where have you refuted anything that I've said so far? Simply stating that something is wrong is not "refuting" anything. You actually have to prove that I'm wrong to refute anything.In post 119, Chrimi wrote:I am directly refuting the arguments you make, and letting you know that they're wrong.-
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Uhh.In post 132, 0x40 wrote:
Bullshit. You've made it super clear that it matters, or you would've just given the name instead of hiding it and defending yourself doing so.In post 129, Chrimi wrote:Oh, and for why I won't give the name of the Hydra alt:
It doesn't matter and its' play isn't indicative of how I usually play at all. Same with the alt I did give the name for.
No. It still doesn't matter, and I'm still not going to give the name.-
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In post 132, 0x40 wrote:
Bullshit. You've made it super clear that it matters, or you would've just given the name instead of hiding it and defending yourself doing so.In post 129, Chrimi wrote:Oh, and for why I won't give the name of the Hydra alt:
It doesn't matter and its' play isn't indicative of how I usually play at all. Same with the alt I did give the name for.In post 125, thenewearth wrote:Just saying buuuut...
Alts are alts for a reason
How is that hard to explain?In post 126, thenewearth wrote:Literally "Alternate account trying to hide the main account"In post 127, thenewearth wrote:its NAI at worst-
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Your arguments for why it's pro-town are wrong.In post 135, 0x40 wrote:
If you can explain how giving the username is anti-town, then go for it. You've so far completely failed to do so, whereas I have made valid arguments for why it is pro-town.In post 133, Chrimi wrote:Uhh.
No. It still doesn't matter, and I'm still not going to give the name.
It's not anti-town either.
See what thenewearth said on the subject. NAI stands for Not Alignment Indicative, btw.-
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Oh my god I called it
implosion, you're our IC. Please explain to the newer players why people don't just give out the usernames of their alts, and why alts exist in the first place, since they don't seem to want to listen to thenewearth.-
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Ah yes, pointless animosity. Mmmm. Delicious.In post 140, 0x40 wrote:
If you can't point out any flaws in my arguments yourself, then maybe you should ask someone like the IC to do so. It's a bit much to expect a VI to know how arguments work, after all.In post 136, Chrimi wrote:Your arguments for why it's pro-town are wrong.
It's not anti-town either.
See what thenewearth said on the subject. NAI stands for Not Alignment Indicative, btw.-
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But tneIn post 149, thenewearth wrote:
Because meta is bullshit and shouldn't be the basis of a case?In post 146, 0x40 wrote:Can you explain how hiding information about your meta is of benefit to town
Like... If I hear 1 more meta out of this game I'm gonna stop playing nice and be the most annoying tunnel-driven asshole you can be
META IS NOT A SCUMTELL NOR IS IT A TOWNTELL
ITS ONLY A SUPPORTING ARGUEMENT
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It's not a good scumtell, because that playerIn post 152, 0x40 wrote:
If someone does something often as scum that they never do as town, then that's often a pretty good scumtell. Even if it is as you say, and meta can only be used as a supporting argument, then why not give the usernames of your alts so that town can use that information for supportive arguments?In post 149, thenewearth wrote:Because meta is bullshit and shouldn't be the basis of a case?
Like... If I hear 1 more meta out of this game I'm gonna stop playing nice and be the most annoying tunnel-driven asshole you can be
META IS NOT A SCUMTELL NOR IS IT A TOWNTELL
ITS ONLY A SUPPORTING ARGUEMENTknowstheir own meta. Plus, maybe the player is just wanting to play differently because they want to improve, and do something they usually only do as scum.-
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I didn't defend against one of those points, I defended against all of them. So for you to say "It's all the points together!" When I defended against all the points together is asinine.In post 158, PenguinPower wrote:
Sorry...just saw this. I think you read my post wrong. It's not about each individual "spoiler" point I put in my post, it's all of them together. To me, you seem waffling in your statements and overly defensive. My examples are in the post.In post 119, Chrimi wrote:PEDIT: PP: "I-It's not about the case I just posted that makes you scummy, it's uh... It's all of it together! Waffling and defensive, even though I'm not going to provide any examples."
Yeahuh, keep that up buddy. You'll paint me scummy someday, I promise.-
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Because 0x40 was trying to paint me as scummy for something that isn't scummy. Players often will jump in and make a rebuttal against points made against someone else if they think they're very wrong.In post 169, Jibs wrote:Chrimi: Let me clarify my question above. Why is tne talking to 0x40 instead of you in this section of the game?-
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This is just straight up misrep.In post 105, AstralFlare wrote:Can we start a Chrimi question deflection list? I'll start.
Q48(AF): [...] Chrimi, why aren't you voting?
A56: I self voted myself and now people are reading over every post I've ever made on the site. I wouldn't call this "passive" :b
I'm a bit preoccupied trying to get people to not think "Oh we caught scum in the first post cause they did this silly thing during RVS that draws attention to them!!" because I would hate to see them try this outside of a newbie game.
Q71:(0X4X): First you say you have multiple alternate accounts, and now it's only "an alt?"
VOTE: Chrimi
You will explain this contradiction, along with giving the usernames of all your other alts, if you want this vote to be elsewhere today.
A73: Anyways, is this game an elaborate prank or are you actually going to stick your vote on me the entirety of day one for having alternate accounts? Most players on this site have alternate accounts. It's not scummy, or against the rules.
A74: And yes, I do have two alts, but the second one is literally a Hydra between this account and the first alt, so i don't really consider it an actual alt.
I gtg soon, but the general trend I've seen is her counter questioning her questioner to avoid answering the original question. In 102 as well. Also no time for fancy formatting and quotes, so again if someone could do that thank you.
The first one (Q48) and (A56) are done stupidly to make it sound like I'm misdirecting. Here's the question I was actually answering:
Obviously I was answering "It's RVS - why the passive play?"In post 56, Chrimi wrote:
I self voted myself and now people are reading over every post I've ever made on the site. I wouldn't call this "passive" :bIn post 55, PenguinPower wrote:
Good question. It's RVS - why the passive play?In post 48, AstralFlare wrote:Rocnix and Chrimi, why aren't you voting?
I'm a bit preoccupied trying to get people to not think "Oh we caught scum in the first post cause they did this silly thing during RVS that draws attention to them!!" because I would hate to see them try this outside of a newbie game.
As if self-voting and scumclaiming is passive play.. oh boy.
In response to Q71: Of fucking course I'm not going to give the names of all my alts, implosion has recently explained why and you can divert your attention there.-
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Moreso, you claim I'm deflecting those questions, but..
You asked "Why aren't you voting?" and I replied
How is that deflecting? I answered your question.I'm a bit preoccupied trying to get people to not think "Oh we caught scum in the first post cause they did this silly thing during RVS that draws attention to them!!" because I would hate to see them try this outside of a newbie game.-
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That's why I was having trouble taking it seriously and laughing for the whole page.In post 200, shannon wrote:Astral Flare - No one else is really sticking out to me as scummy at this point, I think I'll go re-read everything.
PEdit: Actually Chrimi makes an interesting point about the misrep. And this part he quoted from AF is kinda hilariously dramatic
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So Penguin, the way cases work is you give a bunch of examples and reasoning for why you think someone is scummy.In post 202, PenguinPower wrote:
Because of post 81:In post 193, AstralFlare wrote:PP: Why aren't you voting? You said in Post 147 that you were unvoting your RVS but wasn't voting as you had nowhere better to place it. And yet, you read Chrimi as scum in the very same post.
I assumed that was implosion acting in IC capacity.In post 80, implosion wrote:I believe Chrimi is at L-2 but I'm not certain; I'd recommend not voting her until we get another vote count.
If that person defends againstliterally every single one of your points,you have two options.
1. Refute their rebuttal, make more points
2. Accept their defense against your points as satisfactory and drop it
You are doing neither. You seem to accept that your points were invalid, yet you hold your scumread and case over me as "Well, it's a general gut feeling of all your posts in general. They just give me thisvibe, mannnn." I would appreciate if you made some actual points, or dropped it because you get no information from lynching someone with no case or actual points against them.-
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Yet you answered AstralFlare's question to "why aren't you voting?" with "Chrimi's at L-2 and the IC says we shouldn't vote her until there's a vote count."
You're implying that once the votecount happens, you will vote me (or that you would be voting me if implosion didn't say what he did).PenguinPower wrote:
Because of post 81:In post 193, AstralFlare wrote:PP: Why aren't you voting? You said in Post 147 that you were unvoting your RVS but wasn't voting as you had nowhere better to place it. And yet, you read Chrimi as scum in the very same post.
I assumed that was implosion acting in IC capacity.In post 80, implosion wrote:I believe Chrimi is at L-2 but I'm not certain; I'd recommend not voting her until we get another vote count.-
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This doesn't sound anything like you've dropped it.In post 175, PenguinPower wrote:
I'm not. It was an RVS vote. I am currently withholding my vote until the next vote count.In post 174, Rocnix wrote:Also penguin, sorry for being quiet. I was a bit busy yesterday, but am more free for now. Question: Are you still voting for AstralFlare (I couldn't find an unvote skimming thorough the archive, please correct me if my info there is wring)? If so, why?
So give a real response to this please:Chrimi wrote:So Penguin, the way cases work is you give a bunch of examples and reasoning for why you think someone is scummy.
If that person defends againstliterally every single one of your points,you have two options.
1. Refute their rebuttal, make more points
2. Accept their defense against your points as satisfactory and drop it
You are doing neither. You seem to accept that your points were invalid, yet you hold your scumread and case over me as "Well, it's a general gut feeling of all your posts in general. They just give me thisvibe, mannnn." I would appreciate if you made some actual points, or dropped it because you get no information from lynching someone with no case or actual points against them.-
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Ah, alright.In post 207, PenguinPower wrote:
He brought up my comment in 147, which I was addressing. At that time, the only reason I wasn't voting youIn post 205, Chrimi wrote:Yet you answered AstralFlare's question to "why aren't you voting?" with "Chrimi's at L-2 and the IC says we shouldn't vote her until there's a vote count."wasbecause of what the IC said. Up until 175 that was still the case.
Between 147 and now there have been a few things that have made me rethink my positions, which also include my position on you.
I appreciate the clarification. :b-
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I don't appreciate the needless hostility nor the animosity. Try again?In post 210, AstralFlare wrote:@IC: How do you differentiate between anti-town townie and anti-town scummie?
Because I'm having a hard time deciding which Chrimi is right now.-
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Answering your questions directly and pointing out your misrep is anti-town.. how? :uIn post 210, AstralFlare wrote:@IC: How do you differentiate between anti-town townie and anti-town scummie?
Because I'm having a hard time deciding which Chrimi is right now.
Just because you disagree with someone (or can't seem to understand what they're talking about) doesn't make them anti-town.-
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In fact, the whole:
"You said you were trying to cause discussion and then joking is a contradiction!!" is just a misrep too.
I said me voting myself and scumclaiming was to cause discussion, me unvoting and saying "Spooky, I don't want to be at L-2!" was a joke. When you started claiming it was scummy, I said I was doing both- Of course, you assumed I meant I was doing both about the former, excluding the latter entirely.
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I already gave you a reason why I can't. Remove your vote, or find aIn post 218, 0x40 wrote:
I think the most scummy part about Chrimi's reaction is her refusal to explain why she can't just give the username instead of making such a big deal about it. thenewearth at least gave a reason for not giving the usernames of her alts, and even if it's a bullshit out-of-game reason that in my opinion should get her permabanned from the site, it's at least a reason that kinda makes sense.In post 173, Rocnix wrote:0x40, it appears you're now the target of two people's suspicion. I'm sure shannon has her own questions, but in the meantime...
What did you make of Chrimi's reaction and thenewearth's nonreaction to your accusations? Did your interpretation change when it became apparent that we're not going to lynch them for having alts?
My interpretation never changed when it became apparent that we're not going to lynch someone just for a minor reason like that, because that was apparent from the very beginning. I do however think that this, along with the refusal to give a good reason, makes Chrimi the best lynch candidate over anyone else at this point, and that is why my vote will remain on Chirmi for the rest of the day or until gives the username or a reason for why she can't.realreason why I'm scummy.-
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1. There are many players who believe meta is bogus.In post 223, 0x40 wrote:
What reason? And saying that your meta is useless is not a valid reason, because that's simply not true.In post 219, Chrimi wrote:I already gave you a reason why I can't. Remove your vote, or find a real reason why I'm scummy.
2. Alternate accounts are made to try different playstyles, or to enjoy people not knowing who your main is.
3. Me giving the username(s) of my alt(s) is completely pointless and doesn't help town or scum.-
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