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VOTE: Egg

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VOTE: Egg

Was that an RVS-type vote, or a vote based on suspicion?

I don't have much for reads right now.

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VOTE: DeltaWave
Not having reads is fine. Not making an effort isn't.

I've been busy this week but I'm going to really hit this hard tomorrow after work.

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Alright I finally got a chance to sit down and actually read this game. Thoughts:

1. Post 22 - I agree with Malakitten's assessment of Micc's Post 19. He's now on my watch list.

2. Post 33 - TJ criticizing SK for not RVSing sounds like pointless bickering to me that's probably not indicative of alignment. Same goes for the whole TJ vs. SK bullshit on Page 2. I feel like I lost a few minutes of my life that I will never get back.

3. Post 49 - Jason laying a townread on Trojan is inexplicable. Not sure what to make of this.

4. Post 50 - I like this post by Malakittens. Upgrading them to probtown.

5. Post 53 - No, STD, it's not weird that two people voted SK. That's what RVS is about. I've got my eye on you.

6. Post 54 - I'm not sure what Thor is trying to do in this post. Neutral for now but I'm enjoying the grilling of STD.

7. Post 57 - STD acting like the SK wagon was this supersrs non-RVS wagon is weirdly defensive. FOS on him. Lol post 58 just ramps the defensiveness up to 11.

8. Post 61 - STD I swear to god. I'm starting to get bored so this better get good soon.

9. Boonskiies in general feels a lot like how I play scum. Very hyperactive.

10. Post 86 - Micc sounds like frustrated town. Here, have a townread.

Fenchurch puzzles me with this whole "stubbornness = town" thing in Post 92. Doesn't affect my read either way but it's just wrong.

11. Post 118 - Once again Malakitten's logic is jiving with my own. Really thinking they're town. Pieguyn's posts on this page aren't earning him townpoints.

12. Post 135 - Quote from STD: "I'm bothered by malakittens's language; there's a giddy confidence in there (like Light from Death Note, or I guess early books Queen Cersei)" Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Something tells me I'm going to be voting you by the time I finish this.

13. Post 142 - Sthar8 seems reasonable. Nothing much more to say about that.

Fenchurch is sort of just existing. Boonskiie's Post 147 makes me want to weep. Egg is still null. Egg v. Sthar smells like town-on-town violence to me. Jason's work on this page isn't so bad actually, I like the criticism of pie. Boon's vote on Jason in Post 176 just stinks. Something bothers me about TJ's vote on Boon in 200. STD is unbearable on Page 9. Fenchurch and Egg seems largely uncontroversial to me. I hate these arguments about meta and self-meta.

Reads:

Scumpool - Boon, STD, Pie
Neutral leaning scum - TJ
Neutral - Jason
Neutral leaning town - Egg, Fenchurch, Thor, Micc, Stahar8
Townpool - Malakittens

VOTE: Boonskiies

I would just as easily vote STD right now.

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Each page has 24 posts on it. So it's easy to know that Post 22 falls on Page 1, Post 50 on page 3 and so forth.

You are neutral. I don't have strong feelings about you either way.

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You as in SK.

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I don't know if I'm tired or what but I can't remember who is calling you town, sorry. You'll have to be more specific. Generally, nothing in your post is tripping me one way or the other.

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Yeah that post isn't totally defensive at all.

STD, what do you think of my other reads?

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i'll reck u m8 i sware on me mum

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It really makes me want to declare jihad on STD.

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I don't think you have legitimate reads. I think you're making it up.

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I don't think you have legitimate reads. I think you're making it up.

I feel like your read on me is A) wrong B) terrible and C) ignores things I've said.

Alright, fine. Let me hit you in the balls with logic so hard you'll be picking fragments of your own testicles out of your teeth for weeks. Thor is supposedly your top scumread but you've done nothing but hedge on him so far (and complain about his attitude.) Your read came totally out of your ass, which is good because now there's more room in there for my foot.

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So how is Thor scum?

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This is so much bullshit.

UNVOTE: Boon
VOTE: STD

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Nah. The bullshit is where you make a crappy case, ignore my rebuttal, ask me for more info, ignore everything I say, ignore the fact that as scum I could probably just ride off into the sunset and say nothing (OMG A WIFOM) and nothing would happen, and expect me to believe you're taking this game seriously.

Call it crappy but I'm the one slapping you in the face with my monkey tail, if you get my drift. You are making up reads and then trying to come up with these lame justifications for them. I've read everything you've posted.

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A couple years back I dropped this massive deuce. I even took a picture of it, and I'll post it if you want. But yeah I bring this up because it reminds me of your post. I'm going to deal with this after a good night's sleep. I'll be dreaming of you.

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VOTE: Delta

Here's the long list of posts where he basically does nothing.

Spoiler:

i'll reck u m8 i sware on me mum

It really makes me want to declare jihad on STD.

I don't think you have legitimate reads. I think you're making it up.

No explanation.

Alright, fine. Let me hit you in the balls with logic so hard you'll be picking fragments of your own testicles out of your teeth for weeks. Thor is supposedly your top scumread but you've done nothing but hedge on him so far (and complain about his attitude.) Your read came totally out of your ass, which is good because now there's more room in there for my foot.

This is so much bullshit.

UNVOTE: Boon
VOTE: STD

No explanation

Call it crappy but I'm the one slapping you in the face with my monkey tail, if you get my drift. You are making up reads and then trying to come up with these lame justifications for them. I've read everything you've posted.

Says he's read my post, has yet to really respond to anything I've said. Especially the parts where I point out he's mistaken!

A couple years back I dropped this massive deuce. I even took a picture of it, and I'll post it if you want. But yeah I bring this up because it reminds me of your post. I'm going to deal with this after a good night's sleep. I'll be dreaming of you.

When you wake up tomorrow and start trying to play the game feel free to change my mind.

I like how I shot up from your undecided reads to your main scumread because I made a push on you. This is why you're just fabricating reads.

Yeah Delta has been avoiding the 57 thing this whole time. Maybe someone besides STD pointing that out will warrant an actual response?

57 thing?

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Yeah Jason there's totally no town motive behind grilling someone on their reads to see if they're legit or if they're made up

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Does anyone disagree with me on Boon?

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Thor, am I wrong about STD and his reads though? Forget whether your team likes me or not, logic only here

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Looks like I made a typo. 57 probably should have been 53.

I am currently processing information and will check in later today.

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That would basically hit all my niggles.

I agree with you, Thor, but there's no reason to be racist about it.

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VOTE: Delta

Here's the long list of posts where he basically does nothing.

Spoiler:

i'll reck u m8 i sware on me mum

It really makes me want to declare jihad on STD.

I don't think you have legitimate reads. I think you're making it up.

No explanation.

Alright, fine. Let me hit you in the balls with logic so hard you'll be picking fragments of your own testicles out of your teeth for weeks. Thor is supposedly your top scumread but you've done nothing but hedge on him so far (and complain about his attitude.) Your read came totally out of your ass, which is good because now there's more room in there for my foot.

This is so much bullshit.

UNVOTE: Boon
VOTE: STD

No explanation

Call it crappy but I'm the one slapping you in the face with my monkey tail, if you get my drift. You are making up reads and then trying to come up with these lame justifications for them. I've read everything you've posted.

Says he's read my post, has yet to really respond to anything I've said. Especially the parts where I point out he's mistaken!

A couple years back I dropped this massive deuce. I even took a picture of it, and I'll post it if you want. But yeah I bring this up because it reminds me of your post. I'm going to deal with this after a good night's sleep. I'll be dreaming of you.

When you wake up tomorrow and start trying to play the game feel free to change my mind.

This response isn't from town. Normally when I say things like "I'm going to punch you in the nuts" or "I'm going to behead you like I was Mohammed" or something like that, town gets pissed and may even OMGUS me. That's fine and frankly I expect it, but this post here is different. You're trying to make it sound like your vote has nothing to do with my case against you but rather because I've "basically done nothing."

Your post here has a level of mindfulness and calculation that you would expect from scum. Scum want to look justified, like they have a reason for everything, when in reality town tends to be less focused on that kind of self-preservation tactic. Or in other words, you came up with this "delta has done nothing" reasoning even though your post & vote is clearly a kneejerk, because you feel that as scum you have to present a pristine foundation for everything you do. A compulsive need to put together a rational explanation for everything (including OMGUS) is the kind of thing a guilty person does.

I am hereby issuing a fatwa against you STD. Who will be my mujahideen?

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I'm still right though. STD has this need to justify himself that you only find with scum. It goes for his OMGUS vote and for the earlier discussion of his reads.

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So basically you're going to fall back on that typo and then double-down on the whole "you've done nothing" reasoning. Of course you're not going after sthar who has 8 posts or Micc who has 10.

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This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. STD is the kind of scum who has to go down these crazy paths to justify what he's saying or doing, in fear that if by just acting/reacting he'd draw suspicion.

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What do people think about my phat case on STD?

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Got my prod I'll catch up tonight when I get home

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Sorry for the unannounced VLA.

I'm disappointed that my STD case isn't getting much support. I'd still support a Boon wagon though.

I don't know what to make of the Jason vs. Thor fight. From the first time I saw the player list, I figured that Jason was going to be a lightning rod for drama and it's totally panning out that way. I don't really understand Jason's points against Thor or Thor's points against Jason. Jason being a beacon of drama and Thor breaking balls for no reason is a dangerous combination. Anyway the signal to noise ratio is terrible. This reminds me of a game I played back in 2011 or 2012 in which Jason was a beloved princess.

This whole thing is such a shitshow right now. If anyone can explain this fight to me then I'll be glad to hear it. I tend to scroll through the walls of text on this subject.

Now for people who asked me questions:

Deltawave i think your case on STD is bad. The over justification reasoning is you pushing him for a playstyle thing.

Alright but I still stand by it.

I think STD's read on you is reasonable - I could easily enough see someone thinking there was scum motivation in the way you were pushing him. .... I also don't think someone going from null to scum based on what they perceive as a bad push is alignment indicative ... I'm wondering which other reads besides you/Thor you think he's fabricating.

Truncated the quote to save space. I don't think that's STD's argument. He wasn't voting me for a bad push, he was voting me for not having contributed or whatever. As for your next question, I think all his reads were suspect but most especially SK. I don't see how he could have grouped SK in with the town at that point (it would be more reasonable to call him null.) In fact it was almost as if he sorted his read list by how controversial each person was.

Delta, who do you mean when you say "TJ"? Is that Trojan? Can you go into more detail on why STD is scum? You mention him a lot in your big post, but I don't actually see any specific points and you say you're just as willing to vote him as you are to vote Boon. I'd like to know why.

TJ = Trojan. I think I meant to type TH. Anyway I'm not sure how much more detail I can give about this. I thought my points were pretty specific, namely that I thought his reads were made-up and his response was not townish. What part of this is vague?

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: At some point I thought at least one of {Deltawave, Thor} was scum which was perhaps somewhat biased. I'm not sure where I currently stand on DeltaWave. All the stuff about me is useless to me so I would love to hear more about things like:

Scumpool - Boon, STD, Pie

Why pie and is this still true

Who else do you think is scum

What your opinion on Jason is since you seem to have none

My read on Pie was mostly due to their push against Malakittens. My reads haven't changed much since then actually except that now I'd put SK as neutral leaning town rather than just neutral. I've got an odd feeling about Micc but I can't really explain it.

I don't have much of an opinion on Jason right now because quite honestly I've been skipping over the Jason/Thor drama.

Anyway I think that sums it up.

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I'm disappointed that my STD case isn't getting much support.

Perhaps you should reconsider it

That doesn't mean I'm wrong but if it's not going anywhere I'm going to need to reformulate.

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STD I'm wondering why you're reacting this badly to Thor when arguably I was ruder to you than he was.

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arguably

I told you I was going to punch you in the nuts and then put my foot in your ass and you barely flinched. Then Thor calls you bad and you blow a gasket on him. Your reactions here are interesting to me.

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The impression I get is that STD is putting way too much thought into his "reactions." It feels too calculated to me.

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I wasn't baiting him for a reaction in post 642. It just doesn't jive to me. I was way ruder than Thor was.

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Can we quit this? Or would you like me to embarrass myself some more for your amusement?

I'm moving on from you right now.

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I'd be happy with a Boon lynch. Jason, your case against thor is incomprehensible to me.

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I'm definitely not voting a D1 PR claim. I've basically been a non-participant with my team but I'm going to ask them what they think about what's going on, esp. Thor.

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Uf da!

Someone's been reading the Ikea product catalog.

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Bodyguard is a harder fakeclaim to maintain as there are likely to be points in the game where he'd be expected to die. Whereas CES thinks hider is a 'fashionable fake claim' for scum, in part because it's not hard to justify your continued survival as one.

Strange. I would've thought a hider claim would be harder to maintain, because as long as the claimed-hider-scum is alive, he has to act as a cop of sorts.

That would be easy for scum to pull off since they know who is town and who is scum. Hider is actually a great fake claim. (But I'm undecided as to whether Thor is lying or not.)

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UNVOTE: std
VOTE: boon

Why is this not happening egg?

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I talked it over with my team and there's a strong preference for a sthar8 lynch, even though this guy has been flying largely under my radar. They do seem supportive of Trojan as a next-best-lynch. I've been on the fence about Trojan for a while, but I'll give my team some credit on this one. Plus, I'm not about to lynch a D1 PR claim.

UNVOTE: Boon
VOTE: Trojan

L-1

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If anyone wants to flashwagon boon I'd be down with that too.

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Horrible, horrible idea to lynch a PR claim D1. There is no excuse for this wagon.

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Delta, can you link to a previous example of you refusing to lynch a D1 PR claim (or a discussion in which you state that you would refuse to lynch a D1 PR claim)?

Apparently the last game I played was Event Card Mafia in April 2014, but I got replaced out due to inactivity. Before that, my last game was Jason's British Royal Family Kingmaker in Feb of 2013. So, in the past two years I've played two games not counting my current games. I really don't remember if I have any examples of that.

Thor's lynch was ultimately good but I still stand by my principle that I won't lynch a D1 PR claim (unless it is directly counterclaimed.)

Overnight I read the thread and I get the strong impression that Jason is town. I also think I was too hard on STD. He has been downgraded from Scum to Null. SK seems increasingly town. I previously said Pie is scummy but after reviewing the thread he's probably more on the null side.

Boon is way too meta-aware for my liking. I still consider him a scumspect.

I'm going to get around to some VCA at some point.

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SK seems increasingly town.

Explain please.
VCA on D2 sounds like a waste of time.

Mostly your criticism of Egg and support of a Boon lynch. This all seems town motivated to me. Mostly because I'm on the same wavelength.

I really do think that strange things were afoot in those vote counts. I'll have to figure it out though.

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I disagree with this. I didn't like DW's or Egg's sudden push for a flashwagon on Boons. It was anti-town as fuck. It seemed to want to derail both the Jason and the Thor wagons. I pointed this out numerous times. Not to mention, how the fuck are you scumreading me for doing almost exactly what Delta was in regards to a fucking reaction to Thor. I stand by my belief that I will NOT LYNCH A D1 FUCKING POWERROLE CLAIM. I WILL NOT FLASHWAGON ANYTHING. Both of those things are not town motivated. Boons wasn't even around for a flashwagon on him. How would you have felt if we did what DW and Egg were suggesting, flashed lynched Boon, Boon flipped town and a possibility of Boon flipping a PR too. if that happened.. Chances are you would most likely be scumreading the both of them.

So how are their actions town...?

I don't get it. You're voting me for being "anti-town" by promoting a wagon outside of the Jason and Thor, but then you say two sentences later that you were "doing almost exactly what Delta was." This doesn't make sense to me.

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VOTE: DW.

I don't like the whole let's flashwagon Boon. He tried to derail both the TH and the Thor lynch, granted he was in the same boat as me for not wanting to lynch Thor, but there was no reason for him to try derail the TH lynch either like he did. The only reason why he would derail the TH was because he had a higher scumread on Boon. Boon went V/LA, didn't claim. Why was there a sudden push for wanting Boon lynched like ~hours~ before the deadline.

I didn't like it. I'm mainly scumreading Egg for sorta the same reasons.

I'll flesh out my reasons for my townreads later, but they are pretty strong IMO.

Well, yeah I did have a stronger scumread on Boon. I was voting him until Post 827, when my team urged me to go with TH instead. I still personally felt like Boon was a better pick. I'd dayvig him right now if I could.

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Why are you so confident that Boon is town? Why are you so sure I'm scum?

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so you think my play is not town motivated. Why is it scum motivated?

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I just wanna know what you think I'm trying to do here.

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Why don't you tell me why you know my motivations better than I do

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Actually it's the way you and Egg went about doing it. You wanted to flashwagonlynch Boon. You didn't want to give him the chance to claim or give him time to flesh out reads. Whereas me wanting a lynch, I wasn't able to push mine due to RL things etc until close to deadline, by the time it happened we already had two claims and I didn't want to risk lynching a PR./quote]

This is giving me a headache. You admit that you are on the same page on me, insofar as not wanting to lynch a PR claim D1. I also think you agree that we should lynch instead of no lynch on D1. Yet you're voting me because... I didn't want to lynch a PR claim D1, and I didn't want to no-lynch, so I voted my scumread as the deadline was soon approaching. I got a literal headache trying to figure out your logic here.

Boon is way too meta-aware for my liking. I still consider him a scumspect.

I'm going to get around to some VCA at some point.

Is Boon your top suspect, or is there someone else that you think is scummier?

I'm actually getting more certain about my townreads than anything else. I'll place Jason, pie, and SK in the town box for now. Boon is probably my #1 scumread, mostly because of this "I'm town because if I was scum I would have done XYZ" stuff. I'm sure his blatant OMGUS on me is contributing to this.

I'm unsure what Malakittens is doing right now. It seems a little too convoluted for misguided town. I'll come back to this later.

I think the VysePresident wagon is inexplicable. The guy has 2 posts and his predecessor was largely unremarkable.

I'll get to my vote stuff this weekend, I'm too tired right now for it. Mostly I want to look at the movement of votes at various times during the day.

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I see the Vyse wagon is a pressure wagon, nvm that part

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I messed up my quote. That's what I get for posting when I'm about to pass out. My Malakittens reply was:

This is giving me a headache. You admit that you are on the same page on me, insofar as not wanting to lynch a PR claim D1. I also think you agree that we should lynch instead of no lynch on D1. Yet you're voting me because... I didn't want to lynch a PR claim D1, and I didn't want to no-lynch, so I voted my scumread as the deadline was soon approaching. I got a literal headache trying to figure out your logic here.

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P dodge, will post tonight

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It's tough to do VCA with only two flips, so I was mostly concentrating on how the wagons formed. Jason was basically the biggest wagon until VC 1.12, when Thor became a contender due to STD and sthar. Jason's wagon almost totally dissolved around VC 1.15, probably due to the claim, making it Thor vs. Trojan until the end of the day.

Boon basically camped his vote on Trojan all day with only a couple exceptions. Interestingly, he doesn't seem to mention Trojan very often. At varying points he says I'm his scumread but nevertheless sticks on the TH wagon. I don't see a town reason to do this. It sounds more like scum trying to "keep their head down" with regards to a wagon. Avoid the major Thor/Jason fight by sidelining it.

Someone asked why I'm not voting right now. Mainly because I'm not sure on who I want to vote for. I still can't figure out Malakitten's reasoning here. It seems almost "too obvious" that Malakittens is in self-preservation mode as my wagon is basically the only major serious one today. (VP's seems mostly due to pressure, not due to scumaccusations.)

P-Edit: Let's say you get your lynch Mala, what will you do when I flip town?

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Tell me specifically what would change about your thinking if I flipped town. You already told us what would happen if I flip scum.

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I've got to admit, I'm having a hard time reading Mala. I think her case on me is objectively bad and basically boils down to "he didn't give Boon a chance to claim." Even though I never brought Boon to L-1, apparently this was a scummy thing to do. If the choice is between "lynch a D1 PR claim" and "lynch my top scumread" guess which one I'm going to pick? Going full speed ahead on this case is inexplicable to me.

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I almost feel like it's too obvious. It's fucking with my brain.

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Why is anyone reading Boon as town? How is this possible?

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If you want to be generous call him null, but I don't see how deliberate meta-manipulation can generate townpoints.

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Delta, have you made an effort to sort your Mala read? I assume you'd vote her over no lynch or your own lynch, correct? How would you feel about a Boon flash wagon lol

Mala's case against me is bad, really bad, manufactured bad. I wanted to lynch my top scumread at deadline instead of the two PR claims. That's pretty much the case. I can't get it through my head that this takes precedence over boon's incessant self-meta manipulation when I did the only logical thing to do. There's still something that's nagging at me about Mala, like I'm missing something here. In any event I still think Boon is a better lynch and I'll roll with that wagon if there's support for it. Otherwise Mala's got to go.

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I have a null read on Delta. I have to consider him a suspect, since he jumped onto my bandwagon at the end of day 1.

Well that's thanks to Greyice, who also told me that Thor was town. Thanks GreyIce.

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What is the claimed inconsistency? I'm not getting it.

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I'm not really sure why. The consensus seemed to be that Thor was a one-shot cop fakeclaiming hider, and that Trojan and sthar were scummy.

You didn't mention this before. You talked about your teammates supporting my lynch as a consolation lynch, but you didn't say any of your teammates were reading Thor as town.

So what? Like I said before, I wasn't sheeping them as to whether Thor was town or scum. I did take their advice however as to an alternative wagon, since I will not lynch a D1 PR claim as a matter of policy.

I wouldn't have been bothered if you had said "Oh, I forgot to mention, GreyICE told me that Thor was town." This new post makes it sound like GreyICE's read was your primary reason for not voting for Thor. That's not what you said before.

You're assuming way, way too much. If you really are town then your case shouldn't be based on making up shit to fill a gap so you can make a jump.

I'm surprised that you felt a need to defend yourself at all. My post was not attacking you. I was saying I didn't want to lynch you, because you felt more town to me than the other people on my wagon.

Again, you're assuming too much. This time you're assuming that I was "defending" myself. I was making a comment, nothing more.

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Still Boon. Mala is a contender but I'm going to look outside these 2 to make sure I'm not tunneling.

Post 1174 sounds a lot like "when you flip town I'm going to completely push the reset button" which is pretty much what scum do after a mislynch so alright.

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Picking up prod. Interesting claim. I will analyze.

Can we all agree that Boon needs to go?

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If there is a town RB and if they really did block Mala then they shouldn't be outed. Just target someone else next time.

I'm not totally sure that I believe Mala's claim but I'm willing to wait for today. Mala has been a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in an eclair for me all day anyway.

Anyway Boon is an optimal lynch. I've already said my argument about his self-meta, which I find manipulative. If you know enough about your scum meta to relay that to another player, you know enough to act differently. It has literally no utility other than self-preservation, and it was at a time when Boon wasn't even at imminent risk of lynching. Town players usually don't go into self-pres mode until they're right about to be strung up. Town players are more concerned with spotting scum than they are with insisting on their towniness. Just in general, Boon is way more interested in manipulating how people see him than actually hunting down scum. I also see his post 991 (where he calls me "wishy-washy") as an excuse to just drop a vote and have it seem justified.

The only thing that cuts in favor of Boon is post 1372. He reiterates STD's point, how could Mala know that she was RB'ed instead of her target being protected? It's a good question but I don't think it's enough to excuse everything I just wrote above.

VOTE: Boon

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Good call on the whole non-normal claim. I never would have figured that out. In other news STD is town.

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I'm guessing we have a legit roleblocker. Or scum forgot to send in their action. lol

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Anyone have anything else to say or are we done for today?

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Jason who did you bodyguard N1?

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Wouldn't it have made more sense for scum Jason to say that STD blocked him?

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Well I need a full list of what Jason did each night for my read assessment.

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I want to know who was such a better BG target than the claimed RB.

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Actually I want full disclosure of who Jason targeted each night. I've asked this before, but Jason ignored it.

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As for saying who I protected - go fuck yourself. Not saying anything more, not going to give out any more information that can help scum work out who I may or may not protect in the night.

That's funny. On D2 (post 896) Trojan asked you who you protected, and you readily said Pie (post 901.) Why withhold this information now, when you easily gave it up in the past? Are you afraid that someone might call BS on it?

If you're town, you should have no problem complying with this request. Explain to me how providing these night actions would help scum.

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His protection choices are suspect because he missed the obvious choice. I think we deserve to know how he's acted so far.

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Uh wouldn't you know if you were role blocked?

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What's this abou mala targeting SK? Did I miss something?

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It does support SK-town though. It makes the most sense for a scum RB to target town in case they did get tracked.

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Okay I get it now. I didn't at first.

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Sorry, missed that post. I'm a little behind right now. I don't like any of the current wagons. I originally thought Jason was scum at the start of the day but now I think it's more likely than not that he's town. I guess Boon. I'm going to have to think hard on this one.

[DeltaWave]

Sorry, but your self-meta defense is just so obviously manipulative that you are always going to be scummy in my eyes.

[DeltaWave]

Are you seriously going to describe your own tactics as WIFOM and then say it's not manipulative? I'd be pretty comfortable sheeping pie but not on her towncase for you.

[DeltaWave]

So you're going to try to convince me that self-meta isn't scummy by using self-meta.

[DeltaWave]

I don't get your point Zach.

[DeltaWave]

I don't understand why this argument is happening. Is it important for some reason?

[DeltaWave]

Delta, same question.

No, but I asked them for some reads. My prediction is that GreyICE is going to call sthar scum, and I'm probably going to disagree. But let's see how it pans out.

Reviewing the case on SK now.

[DeltaWave]

Delta, any word from your teammates? You need to make a decision pretty soon.

GreyICE says SK is scum and Jason is town. I'll sleep on this and vote in the morning. A vote will come before deadline.

[DeltaWave]

Sthar goes first.

[DeltaWave]

My proposal is Sthar, then Egg, then Egg can popcorn.

[DeltaWave]

VT. Who's left?

[DeltaWave]

Well, I'm firmly convinced that pie is town. If pie is scum then gg. I'm not sure about the rest of you.

[DeltaWave]

Yeah seriously. I thought there would be at least some investigative role out there.

[DeltaWave]

I think pie is nearly conftown. Sthar has indications of being town. The scum is probably within {Egg, Boon, Trojan.} The only thing I really have on Boon is the self-meta, which could just be a terrible town argument, so I'm going to be re-evaluating everything here.

[DeltaWave]

TH, thoughts on Egg and Boon?

[DeltaWave]

I'd probably reevaluate a shitton of my reads. There's been at least three or four games where I strongly townread scum and strongly scumread town.

I know at least these reads would either change/stay the same:

My TH read wouldn't flip to scum if you flipped town. TH would probably be high up on the town list close to almost confirm-town status.

I think my STD read would stay town because Iec had some strong D1 town-STD vibes.

I'd reevaluate my Boon read only because my paranoia would take place by then. I have strong townread players based on meta so I'd probably remove my main based meta read from Boon.

Egg would maybe be considered town.

This was Mala's response when I asked her how my flip would affect her reads. According to this, TH would be strongly town, Egg would "maybe" be considered town, Boon would go from scum to neutral, and STD would probably stay the same. Not sure if this is meaningful but I'll be reviewing it soon.

[DeltaWave]

You're right, meant to say you'd go from town to neutral.

[DeltaWave]

I'm not about to crap on anyone right now. At some point in the next 24-48 hours I'm going to look at the reads of flipped scum to see if anything jumps out at me.

P-Edit: That's not correct about claiming

[DeltaWave]

Boon, take a chill pill. She made it clear her reads could change on Egg, you, and STD. You're just reading this a certain way because you're pissed at Egg for voting you. You know I'm right on this, just simmer down a little.

[DeltaWave]

I don't want Boon's brain BSOD to lead this game down a vortex of insanity.

[DeltaWave]

Boon, are you just acting randomly at this point?

[DeltaWave]

Hi diddely ho, neighborinos. I'm going to hit this game up tomorrow. Sorry for the recent slacking.

[DeltaWave]

I had no idea that STD was a roleblocker.

Boon does bring up an interesting point. Would Boon's team really spend tokens to give him a scumslot? I'm not trying to be insulting or anything, I'm just saying that Boon seems to act completely at random and that's not a good plan for scum.

[DeltaWave]

Votecount 2.10:

Malakittens (6-LYNCH)-

pieguyn,

SleepyKrew

, Egg,

Save The Dragons

, sthar8, Trojan Horse,

DeltaWave (3)-

Boonskiies,

Malakittens

,

jasonT1981

,

Boonskiies (1)-

DeltaWave,

Not voting (1)-

Bins

,

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is at 6pm on the 30th April 2015. (expired on 2015-04-30 13:00:00)

STD is v/la until Sunday 3rd May.

Malakittens has been lynched. Flip incoming...

If Boonskiies was scum, that would mean the entire Malakittens wagon was town-driven and nobody was bussing her. I'm not saying it's impossible but I would expect a busser at that stage of the game. This does sort of call TH into question.

[DeltaWave]

btw, we also feel that Egg and DW's reactions to Thor at the end of D1 are highly town and will not consider anything resembling a lynch on either of them at this juncture.

Pie, fake reactions are super easy to pull off. Plus, I disagree with Delta's reaction seeming town...


Are we allowed to talk about tokens, and where we put them at?

I tried to a long time ago, but no one answered my question.

Yes, I prefer to play as scum, but I'm an easy mislynch. My team thought it best to put tokens on town for me. You think they'd put faith in my scum game? Haha.

How many town tokens did they drop on you?

[DeltaWave]

what do you make of the point that scum knew there was a town RB in the game after N1? you think they'd bus anyway and leave only one scum left when one scum vs. a town RB is essentially autoloss for them?

or am I just going wrong here

What makes you think they knew about an rb?

[DeltaWave]

The thing about Boon is that I can't tell if what he's doing is scum motivated or town motivated because it seems almost random to me. Like Boon gets pissed and then cooks up a whole case around being annoyed at someone. We're too late in the game for a policy lynch though. Grey thinks TH is scum. I'm not so sure. I'll need to re-read some key parts of the game.

[DeltaWave]

A boon lynch is essentially a policy lynch at this point but I'm not seeing many other choices.

[DeltaWave]

Tell me the egg case but without the bullshit

[DeltaWave]

....didn't even read the last few pages, did you? Trojan Horse made pretty good cases for Egg scum, and I quoted a lot of sthar's cases.

My attention has been lapsing. I'll go check it out.

[DeltaWave]

TH don't derp out here.

[DeltaWave]

Specifically trying to flash wagon without any justification with 20 hours left in the day in a potential day-before-lylo situation is painfully anti-town. I'll consider the egg wagon but I may just end up on boon.

[DeltaWave]

yeah I'm looking forward to reading it. This is just noise. Anyway I'm going to review this stuff and place a vote when I come home from work around 8:30 or so eastern time.

[DeltaWave]

So basically showing skepticism of wagons is scummy and being really busy for a few days is also scummy kk

I forgot that the pro town thing for me to do is to relentlessly tunnel. I have no idea how this made its way into ms meta but I've seen it many times before

[DeltaWave]

If you push one wagon intensely and they flip town, you are scum eager for a mislynch. If you are skeptical of wagons and you don't push intensely you are scum trying to avoid responsibility. Don't derp out like this TH. if you are town don't mess this up with conf bias. Anyway I hate posting on my phone so see you in 4 hrs.

[DeltaWave]

I've had beef with Boon all game long for many legitimate reasons, including his vote parking on D1 and incessant self-meta. I really wish he was a policy lynch earlier in the game but here we are.

VOTE: Boon

Jesus Christ if Pie is scum then God help us all.

[DeltaWave]

#SaveAssMafia

[DeltaWave]

What is the benefit to a no lynch?

[DeltaWave]

Gimme some time to consult with my team on this.

[DeltaWave]

There is a lot to discuss. I will make a post today but don't do anything until then.

[DeltaWave]

You know how everyone was freaking out about how the setup was unbalanced since town didn't have an investigative role? Well, I lied about that. I'm actually a tracker. I fakeclaimed VT because none of my tracks actually cleared or implicated anyone, so I wanted the opportunity to get one last track.

N1: Tracked Jason to Pie
N2: Tracked Sthar to nowhere
N3: Tracked Boon but was roleblocked (thanks STD)
N4: Tracked Zachrules to Pie (Hate on me all you want for tracking this but I thought he could be scum after the STD incident)
N5: Tracked Trojan Horse to nowhere

I can show off my breadcrumbs if you want but part of the reason I wanted sthar to claim early in the massclaim was to see if he would say anything other than vanilla, which would have implicated him due to my night 2 track.

I'm claiming now because I don't think anyone would believe me if I did it tomorrow, even though I wanted the opportunity for one last track. I was going to hold off for one last game-winning track, but my team's position is that I wouldn't be believed if I busted this out tomorrow. There's also a 33% chance I might die during the night, meaning that my work would be wasted. While I really wanted that last track, if I didn't confirm TH as town right now then I may never have the opportunity to do it.

So we should spend the remaining time hunting between Egg and Sthar, because TH is now conftown. But we should no lynch at the end of the day. Scum's only option is to shoot me and then you'll all go into 3p LYLO with a confirmed townie.

[DeltaWave]

TH, don't mess this up tomorrow with any confbias. You need to be on your A game.

[DeltaWave]

Votecount 2.10:

Malakittens

(6-LYNCH)-

pieguyn

,

SleepyKrew

, Egg,

Save The Dragons

, sthar8,

Trojan Horse

,

DeltaWave

(3)-

Boonskiies

,

Malakittens

,

jasonT1981

,

Boonskiies

(1)-

DeltaWave

,

Not voting (1)-

Bins

,

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is at 6pm on the 30th April 2015. (expired on 2015-04-30 13:00:00)

STD is v/la until Sunday 3rd May.

Malakittens has been lynched. Flip incoming...

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[DeltaWave]

The benefit to a no lynch is that scum only has two options. Either kill me, and TH will be confirmed town (3p lylo with 1 conftownie), or kill TH, and I will get a game-winning track. Either way the town benefits. Unless we can all agree on who to lynch.

[DeltaWave]

The scum are screwed either way because they'd have to pick between going into lylo with a confirmed townie, or being on the receiving end of a track that will necessarily out scum. Personally I do think it's more likely sthar is scum due to his bus position on the Mala wagon but I'm not assuming anything and neither should TH. Tomorrow will be a clean slate.

Anyway, I did breadcrumb this a bit. For a while I was convinced that Jason was town and he knew I was a Tracker, which is why he refused to give a full list of who he protected each night. I said something like "Are you afraid that someone might counterclaim them?" (referencing to his night actions.) I wanted to see if I would get push back on that point by trying to spook him.

[DeltaWave]

I mean that I was convinced Jason was scum and he knew I was a tracker.

[DeltaWave]

I'm going to hate on you for tracking Zach night 4, because you'd already cleared him.

When Day 4 dawned, we already knew that the one remaining scum had made both of the nightkills. Thor didn't make any nightkills, because we lynched him day 1. Mala didn't make any nightkills, because STD blocked her night 1, and we lynched her day 2. (STD was dead at that point, so we knew he told the truth about blocking Mala.) So it must have been the 3rd scum that made the nightkills. The kill on night 1 was fen... but you tracked Jason to pie that night. So you should've known that Jason was town.

Bleh.

Was it ever confirmed by STD that he blocked Mala on N1? I thought it was just something that we all assumed. Anyway I was running up on the deadline and had to pick someone.

I'm really feeling sthar as the last scum.

[DeltaWave]

Sthar was on a prime bus position for Malakittens. It can't hurt us to take time and figure this out for sure though.

[DeltaWave]

No lynch is still the best option because it gives TH and his team more time to figure it out.