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Save The Dragons [Sickeningly Sweet] - Town Roleblocker - Killed Night 3

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in 10 days, at 6pm GMT on Saturday 16th May 2015. (expired on 2015-05-16 13:00:00)

[jasonT1981]

Well fuck.... I didn't protect STD. I didn't buy the RBer claim. It just seemed too perfect.

Fucking bollocks

[Egg]

Hmm. Who did you protect then?

[Egg]

I mean.

STD was the obvious protect and the obvious kill. If you are town, scum probably felt ok killing him because you'd die and we'd lose a power role either way.

OR

You are scum. But would you really kill the guy you're supposed to be protecting? I think yes. Because if he blocks you, it could be incriminating (maybe not because of what we just went through with Bins but still risky). If he blocks someone else, we have confirmed town running around.

I dunno. Lemme do some rereading.

[jasonT1981]

See above, I didn't buy the claim. It seemed all too perfect

No kill the night before...
RB target flipped town with said no kill night before.
Claimed RB of confirmed scum N1
Seemed to be asking over and over for RBer to come out before he claimed. I saw it as fishing for a RBer before the claim itself

I believed the RB claim was part of Mala's fakeclaim of being rolelocked. It seemed all too perfect.

[jasonT1981]

There was also the fact Bins was an easy 'target' to claim against due to the very limited activity on the slot the entire game.

Too many things pointed to scum. Besides, even if I did.. STD had already said he would be RBing me in the night, which means it would have been an STD death anyway.

[jasonT1981]

I also believed Rolecop/Roleblocker was a perfect combo for scum.

One finds the roles, the other can then block them.

[SleepyKrew]

...
I could see scum jason making this play
But that would require jason to be scum
:/

[Egg]

Jason ISO:
Day 1:
0- This was that nervous sounding double RVSing post he caught crap for
1-2 - Possible reaction to Thor bus? Also questioned Mala. I'm curious about any follow up. I don't remember any off hand but that was 65 pages and 3 game days ago.
3-5 - Just answering questions
6-13 - questioning and small attacks all on currently living players, then the Boon vote.
14- 18 - Answering stuff, banter, pushing Boon.
19-22 - Going ape shit for Boon stuff
23-25 - About wagon on him
26 -

In bold text, says he is town reading Thor

27-35 - Defending self, pushing Boon
36-37 - Responds to small jab from Mala about attacking easy targets and avoiding questions. I actually could really see this as scum/scum.
38-39 - Defending self. Mala seems persistent. Looks slightly less like scum/scum now. Hmm. Jason also seems to be getting frustrated, but *shrug*. I could see that whether he is town or scum being bussed by Thor and now attacked by scumbuddy Mala too.
40 - Soft attack on Delta
41 - Defending self
42 - The infamous token talk.
43-54 - Defending from Thor. I notice a lighter tone than when he was defending himself before. And not once has he come close to calling Thor scum. He's specifically addressing points, but not questioning the motives behind Thor's attack.
55-62 - Still defending from Thor, but the tone suddenly changed. It's no longer light. Why did it take so long to start "calling BS" on Thor's case? Thor's case didn't change. What is interesting is that it was during this discussion (around Jason's 50th post) that the Thor wagon started.
63-65 - Bringing up old points against Boon
66-68 - Talking to Sleepykrew about Boon
69 - This post is interesting. He says his team is scumreading Thor, but didn't say why. And now he brings up his own points against Thor that could have applied earlier when he said Thor was town. Ends with a final Thor read of "conflicted". Now this feels like obvscum, right? I dunno. The interesting part is that this is coming from his team. But they aren't using reasons. So it's probably a genuine reason UNLESS they are reading the game and helping with fake reads OR he just needed a reason to 180 his read. I dunno. A lot of my read on Jason will probably come from how I end up interpreting this post.
70-71 - Now he's talking to Thor as if he is scum reading him. But he didn't say he was. He said he was "conflicted". Telling Thor that he (Thor) is only on the (Jason) wagon because it's easy and he doesn't have to do anything doesn't feel "conflicted". It also doesn't feel true. Thor pushed pretty hard. Yes, Thor was scum. But this is still a false point against him.
72 - Pushes Boon some more. Says Thor is an asshole whether town or scum. Hmm. Would he say that to a scumbuddy? Would he say it as town about someone who he is "conflicted" on? The answer to both seems like no, but neither feels less likely than the other.
73 - Again, I don't think Thor was on the sidelines.
74- 0 content
75 - Emotional response to Mala about Boon. I don't see any attempt to read Mala here, but there's that emotion when talking to scum that doesn't feel scum/scum again. Not sure what to think.
76 - Deadline votes Thor. Says he is "on the fence" on him.
77-78 - Attacks deadline votes after having just made one himself. Claims bodyguard.
79 - Defends self, attacks wagon
80-81 - Questions Trojan
82-85 - Now he is hardpushing Thor, but unvotes because of the claim. I can see this as scumbuddies coordinating claims of investigative/protective to out roles or force a mislynch or no lynch.
86-89 - Looking at wagons for new deadline lynch. Seems to favor Sleepykrew. I can see this coming from either alignment
90-91 - Asks mod for extension. Would he do this as scum? I think only if he's confident his team can get a mislynch. But I see no reason why he would be. Hmm.
92 - Votes Trojan. Says don't lynch a power role. What I find interesting is that after being so slow to call Thor scum and finally believing for a whopping three posts that Thor is scum, he never questioned the claim or tried to strategically decide what to do with the claim. He just went "ah fuck, unvote" and voted somewhere else.
93-96 - Doesn't want to talk about old points. Doesn't think no lynch benefits scum. Interesting. Day ends with his vote on Trojan and no discussion of Thor after the unvote. Hmm.

Day 2:
97: Discusses end of Day 1 and says he protected Pie. Shows weak reads on Boon (WTF?), Delta, and Sleepykrew.
98: Wants Delta lynch. Also calls Sleepykrew scum. No mention of the Mala wagon which is up to three at that point.
99: Continues Mala's line of questioning on Boon.
100: Emotional response to Sleepykrew.
101: Hmm. Calls Mala townish. Would love to know why.
102: Calls Vyse wagon "easy". Note he is scum reading Delta and Sleepykrew.
103: Sthar is gut scum now?
104-105: Votes Delta then questions him
106: Tells Vyse to catch up and give content
107-108 - Defends Boon vote Day 1.
109 - Sleepykrew BS
110 - Prod dodge. "Conflicted" on Mala. This sounds familiar LMAO. Defends Boon (Huh?)
111-113 - Defending Boon
114-115 - Admits his points were wrong in defending Boon
116 - Delta is a better lynch than Mala. (Just like Trojan was better than Thor)
117 - V/LA
118 - Bad case on Delta.
119 - V/LA
120-122 - calls lolslip on Sleepykrew for welcoming Bins only to later realize this was announced in the main thread.
123 - Promotes consolidation. So are deadline votes only bad when they are on him?
124-129 - Asking Mala about her claim. Shows skepticism.
130 - Soft attack on Sthar.
131 - Seems to really doubt Mala's claim. Note still no vote and none of the "we can't lynch a claimed power role" mentality from Day 1
132 - Backs soft attack from 130. Ends day with vote still on Delta.

Day 3:
133 - Protected Pie. Votes Bins. I'd expect this regardless of his alignment.
134-136 - Discussing Bins.
137 - Questions Boon's logic.

So............................

Originally, I thought I remembered him not being likely scum because of Thor interactions. But looking back, the only reason to think this is if you think Thor wouldn't bus. And...he would. So. That being said, there were a few town looking things in here. I don't really think they outweigh the fact that he avoided the Thor wagon after the claim and the Mala wagon completely while even agreeing with the points against the claim. Also, this is Mod WIFOM, but I'm not sure I buy a RB+BG setup. Most Mods use a RB instead of a protective role or view it as a protective role because it can stop kills. Not protecting STD is kinda BS too.

Vote Jason

Preview edit: After I submit, I'll look for STD saying he was blocking you. You'd actually be clear if he did.

[pieguyn]

are you fucking kidding me

[Egg]

I can't find it

preview edit: regarding....?

[Egg]

STD had already said he would be RBing me in the night

Show me this because I must be blind.

[pieguyn]

no one lynch anyone until I get a chance to reread

we're having a disagreement on the last scum. I think Boon, mastin says SK. I don't really think jason is scum here, but I wanna reread/think about it more.

[SleepyKrew]

I'm blocking jason tonight. I'll save you from dying trying to save me!

okay not really

OKAY NOT REALLY

[jasonT1981]

If not bins I'm blocking jason tonight. I'll save you from dying trying to save me!

okay not really

We probably shouldn't lynch until everyone checks in but yeah

Vote Bins

[SleepyKrew]

Hey pieguy why did you 180 on Boon?
(Pretty sure you covered this somewhere already so a link is fine)

[Egg]

I'd recommend either reading my ISO review of Jason or doing your own. Preferably both. If you still feel Jason can't be scum, tell me why. Is it because Thor was bussing him?

preview edit:
*sigh* This is why people need to make it clear when they are joking. I can't tell if the "not really" is about blocking Jason or just the second sentence.

[jasonT1981]

Yes, I am holding my hands up and saying I fucked up. I didn't buy the circumstances around the RB claim, and the fact the no kill came and the claimed RB target flipped town.

Scum played us both and played it well.

[pieguyn]

I don't recall town reading Boon recently? our Boon town read was primarily mastin's.

(on phone right now so can't talk in depth)

[Egg]

Oh that's why I couldn't find it. STD's ISO has two pages.

The BCS is I die tonight. The only way I for sure die tonight is if Jason isn't a BG and there is no BG or doc or protective role.

He said this first and in the same post. He didn't block Jason.

[SleepyKrew]

I don't recall town reading Boon recently? our Boon town read was primarily mastin's.

(on phone right now so can't talk in depth)

Weren't you saying you thought Boon/Mala was town/scum?

[DeltaWave]

Jason who did you bodyguard N1?

[pieguyn]

yeah but after thinking about it more I didn't feel aa good about it as I did before. there were also other things that made me think it could be Boon. and POE

I'm not sure at this point - as I said I need to reread and solidify it one way or the other after the semester ends

[jasonT1981]

Heres a point Zach brought up.

If STD was serious when he said he was going to block me... and there was a kill......

Surely Eggs vote on me makes no sense?

[SleepyKrew]

If STD was serious when he said he was going to block me...

THERES YER PROBLEM