Open 569 ~ Hope + 1 ~ Game Over!

[The Bulge]

/nth

[The Bulge]

oh god why are there 27 pages ;;

showering and then reading up

[The Bulge]

17 pages in.

Man wtf.

I feel like reading through the game won't do me any good, honestly. I'll do a couple ISOs later.

[The Bulge]

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Tn. Gun to your head. Who is the scum team if Sakura is town?

Bulge probably scum.

Flubber maybe scum. You maybe scum.

why the fk

Considering this game so far, laying low is the best plan for scum while everyone else tears each other apart.

I'm V/LA.

[The Bulge]

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Tn. Gun to your head. Who is the scum team if Sakura is town?

Bulge probably scum.

Flubber maybe scum. You maybe scum.

why the fk

Considering this game so far, laying low is the best plan for scum while everyone else tears each other apart.

I'm V/LA.

How V/LA are you if you managed to catch that from this gargantuan thread?

Other than that, tn, can you explain your reads on me? Your read on bulge shows you're tunneling pretty bad, but I honestly don't know whether to see it as a scum tunnel or town tunnel.

I'm at a camp. I have an organized schedule all day with free time in the afternoon for an hour and a half and in the evenings (right now) for as long as I decide to stay up.

[The Bulge]

How V/LA are you if you managed to catch that from this gargantuan thread?

I understand your question now. I get distracted easily while re-reading. Every time I check my egosearch, I get the most recent posts in this thread. So I'm kinda reading the beginning of the thread at the same time as what's happening right now.

PEDIT - tn I'm not posting because I'm reading. Which takes a long time. See above.

[The Bulge]

Bulge isn't V/LA enough if he can commit beetlejuice tell.

Not a beetlejuice. I literally refreshed the page.

[The Bulge]

Bulge

Who's this guy?

Also I had a feeling that Bert doesn't care about Bins

The Bulge is a modding alt of DonJosh.

LlamaFluff spreading lies

Not a modding alt. Just a new main. But I use modding experience + join date from old account so I'm allowed to mod on this one.

PEDIT - I think MVP was a GIF altslip, which was in turn a Team 9 altslip

[The Bulge]

Bulge is sitting there avoiding the thread

Are you fucking kidding me? I literally just walked into my house. I've been travelling all day and I've been at a camp all week with a strict schedule and very little free time. I am not lurking. I'm fucking busy. That's what a V/LA is.

I actually had Burger King tonight, not shittin' you.

Can confirm. It was delicious.

I'm going to bed. I'll read all this tomorrow (unless I'm dead before I wake up...)

[The Bulge]

legit scumread [...] PoE.

ha.

[The Bulge]

I lied I'm not going to bed quite yet because I've been missing marathon weekends.

yea yea priorities, avoiding the thread, etc etc. No. Committing to a re-read and seriously playing a game is very different from playing a marathon. Especially when I'm ready to collapse from travelling.

[The Bulge]

In fact you saying "ha" to that legit PoE scumread means that you are willing to use your contentlessness as your shield which is even more scummy.

No it means I think it's funny you have no scumreads.

[The Bulge]

Proabably wasn't intended.
This game grew too fast that it tired them out and hit them with apathy before it hits town.

On what basis can you assume scum gets apathetic before town? Personally I get apathetic as town far easier than as scum because scumhunting is boring and tricking people is fun. But I'm just curious. What's the logic here?

[The Bulge]

What I'm saying is you seem like you're saying this for the sake of justifying your scumreads, because you have no real way of backing that up.

These 3 are scum
Because they are lurky and apathetic
Which happened to the scum in this game
Because these 3 are scum

Circular logic is the only logic I can find here.

[The Bulge]

I lied I'm not going to bed quite yet because I've been missing marathon weekends.

yea yea priorities, avoiding the thread, etc etc. No. Committing to a re-read and seriously playing a game is very different from playing a marathon. Especially when I'm ready to collapse from travelling.

my scum read on you is also based on POE, and the things you've done while you've been here (aka nothing)

town who lurk at least have some thoughts that they drop by during their limited time in the thread. scum who lurk try to fly under the radar, and generally don't post anything (which is what you're doing)

when they're called on it, they also tend to use "I haven't even done anything!" as a defense, as opposed to refuting the arguments against them (which is also what you're doing)

during your limited time in this thread, you picked up on the fact that MVP was an alt slip of this slot. you've clearly read the thread to some extent. what are your current reads?

-Rumia

Just because I was reading along at one point doesn't mean I've read everything. I was never lurking, I was inactive. There's a difference.

Re:marathons, I was just mentioning that in case I said good night and then someone tried pulling some "He's posting in marathons! Lynch this lurker scum!" bullshit.

[The Bulge]

What I'm saying is you seem like you're saying this for the sake of justifying your scumreads, because you have no real way of backing that up.

These 3 are scum
Because they are lurky and apathetic
Which happened to the scum in this game
Because these 3 are scum

Circular logic is the only logic I can find here.

Do you know what PoE is?
Because I don't think you know what it is.
Let me explain it to you.
PoE stands for "Process of Elimination".
That means, by crossing out the unlikely, you reach to a solution.
Let's say that there are 3 options, A,B, and C.
You know that A and C doesn't work, so what's the one that works? B.
It's quite awesome, ain't it?

If you ISO me, you'll see that I called everyone except for those 3 mentioned town for at least some kind of reason.
My current "non-town" reads are all lurkers/contentless players by coincidence.
And as I mentioned, you using your contentlessness as a shield is scummy as hell.

I am very well aware of what PoE is. I was replying to your 1542 which I felt was an unjustified generalization. I wasn't replying to your scumread as a whole.

[The Bulge]

yeah, as I thought:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?s ... r_id=24230

look at page 2. Bulge's explanation doesn't hold up. nice try

p-edit: ninja'd

-Rumia

What's this about?

[The Bulge]

Yeah. And I said I've seen scum hitting apathy before town before.

I saw it. Thanks. I asked for a justification, and you gave it to me. Done.

[The Bulge]

yeah, as I thought:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?s ... r_id=24230

look at page 2. Bulge's explanation doesn't hold up. nice try

p-edit: ninja'd

-Rumia

What's this about?

Apparently sth about you posting in different non-marathon game.

I was waiting for one to start, which it is now.

Sorry for giving my other games as much attention as this one...

[The Bulge]

[The Bulge]

These 3 are scum
Because they are lurky and apathetic

Well this whole thing is wrong here bc as I said I don't have them as scum because they're lurking but rather it is coincidental that my "non-townreads" happen to be lurkers bc I have a varying degrees of town on everyone else, hence my emphasis on "PoE".

Again, this is all in the context of my misunderstanding of 1542.

[The Bulge]

What I'm saying is you seem like you're saying this for the sake of justifying your scumreads, because you have no real way of backing that up.

These 3 are scum
Because they are lurky and apathetic
Which happened to the scum in this game
Because these 3 are scum

Circular logic is the only logic I can find here.

I don't understand step 3 of that circle.

That's because step 1/step 2 is flawed.

No. Like "which happened to be scum in this game." Like we already know who the scum are? Fuck, I want to say this is a slip, but its too much gut for me.

What? The post was meant to be from Team 9's POV. Let me reword using their wording.

These 3 are scum
Because they are lurky and apathetic
This game grew too fast that it tired them out and hit them with apathy before it hits town.
I can confirm this because my it's what's happening to my 3 scumreads.

[The Bulge]

Dunno bc I can't find any correlation with the logic you posted and your misunderstanding.

I wasn't thinking about experience, tbh. I thought you were just talking about this game. So the only logic I could possibly think of was flawed, circular logic.

[The Bulge]

your overdefensiveness is noted though

I'm not being overdefensive, I'm being active. ie, addressing everything that is addressed to me. Would you rather I go back to "lurking"?

[The Bulge]

What I'm saying is you seem like you're saying this for the sake of justifying your scumreads, because you have no real way of backing that up.

These 3 are scum
Because they are lurky and apathetic
Which happened to the scum in this game
Because these 3 are scum

Circular logic is the only logic I can find here.

I don't understand step 3 of that circle.

That's because step 1/step 2 is flawed.

No. Like "which happened to be scum in this game." Like we already know who the scum are? Fuck, I want to say this is a slip, but its too much gut for me.

What? The post was meant to be from Team 9's POV. Let me reword using their wording.

These 3 are scum
Because they are lurky and apathetic
This game grew too fast that it tired them out and hit them with apathy before it hits town.
I can confirm this because my it's what's happening to my 3 scumreads.

You do realize that the third line is actually not my own reasoning but rather answer for Bin's question about "gimma a scenario where all scum would lurk", right?

I had not, no. But it doesn't matter, I know that I misunderstood the statement. It doesn't matter

how

I misunderstood it. What I said is irrelevant now because I realize I was wrong.

Sure, use it against me and bring it up, but enough with the line of questioning on an outdated post.

[The Bulge]

How far have you caught up?

Not far, tbh. Hence why I'm just replying to current game matters rather than giving reads etc.

[The Bulge]

Unfair IMO.

what's unfair about it?

scum who get called out on lurking will generally resort to "I haven't even done anything", or attempt to justify their lurking in advance, which is what he did in the post I quoted - hence me calling him overly defensive. on the other hand, town who lurk don't get defensive about it and try to come up with excuses for it like he did. do you disagree?

-Rumia

I'm gonna lump this all in one post because you are having a hard time understanding.

1) I was at a National Music Camp 5 hours away between Friday August 22 and Saturday August 30 (about an hour ago).
2) I was busy throughout the entire day, with various scheduled activities and rehearsals from 8 am to 10 pm.
3) I never used "I haven't even done anything" as a defense. If you can quote it, prove me wrong. But it will surprise me because I honestly do not remember ever using such a poor defense.
4) Lurking is when I am reading the thread and not posting. I was inactive, as in I was

not reading

, therefore not lurking. Such is the nature of V/LA.

[The Bulge]

Unfair IMO.

what's unfair about it?

scum who get called out on lurking will generally resort to "I haven't even done anything", or attempt to justify their lurking in advance, which is what he did in the post I quoted - hence me calling him overly defensive. on the other hand, town who lurk don't get defensive about it and try to come up with excuses for it like he did. do you disagree?

-Rumia

Well if he doesn't defend himself isn't ignoring your point just as scummy? I mean we're putting a lot of heat on him. But considering he's resisting letting us know how much of the game he's gone through, I might agree with your point in a few.

How far have you caught up?

Not far, tbh. Hence why I'm just replying to current game matters rather than giving reads etc.

Please let me know where I was ever resisting k thx

[The Bulge]

It doesn't matter how I misunderstood it.

What if I say that you were trying to cover up your sub-par discrediting along with your misunderstanding?
Because I still don't see how that logic correlates to your misunderstanding.
Ooh now it matters.

Sorry can you walk me through this? I'm tired and I don't quite follow.

[The Bulge]

Well if he doesn't defend himself isn't ignoring your point just as scummy? I mean we're putting a lot of heat on him. But considering he's resisting letting us know how much of the game he's gone through, I might agree with your point in a few.

he did defend himself to some extent

however, he also put a preemptive excuse at the end for why he'd be posting elsewhere and not here. that's the part I think is overly defensive

GIF told me "overdefensiveness" is kind of extreme for right now, but judging from everything else that's going on, I'm not really worried about it ~

-Rumia

I wouldn't say overdefensive. More "preventative because I'm too tired to deal with this bullshit if it happens"

On that note, marathon starting soon. I'll check in during Nights.

[The Bulge]

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

[The Bulge]

I'm tired too but I still can follow that post.

How does your misunderstanding of my answer to Bins has any correlation to your logic where you tried to explain as us scumreading the 3 names because they are a lurker (when I clearly said it was PoE)?

I pointed out that your first/second line of logic is false because we said PoE not "scum bc lurking" and you tried to cover it as "because there was a misunderstanding."
That doesn't explain your basis of your logic at all.

Let me walk you through this. Sorry if I'm not getting my point across. I always have a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

Proabably wasn't intended.
This game grew too fast that it tired them out and hit them with apathy before it hits town.

NOTE:

Everything I said in relation to this is in the context of this post. I leave out the PoE reasons for the scumreads. I am not dealing with the reads as a whole, just this one reason. This one point of view.

Proabably wasn't intended.
This game grew too fast that it tired them out and hit them with apathy before it hits town.

On what basis can you assume scum gets apathetic before town? Personally I get apathetic as town far easier than as scum because scumhunting is boring and tricking people is fun. But I'm just curious. What's the logic here?

This is my attitude about the post. I didn't think it was a fair assumption to make...

What I'm saying is you seem like you're saying this for the sake of justifying your scumreads, because you have no real way of backing that up.

These 3 are scum
Because they are lurky and apathetic
Which happened to the scum in this game
Because these 3 are scum

Circular logic is the only logic I can find here.

...because the only basis for the assumption was that it accommodated your scum-reads.

Experience.
I've seen it happen before. And that game got me a scummie for "best town performance"

FROM THIS POINT ON,

I have realized my misunderstanding. I didn't know they were talking about "scum in general", I thought they meant just this game.

[The Bulge]

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

actually the more I think about this, this feels like a bullshit reaching angle. 1584 isn't me calling GIF out for doing something scummy, it's me saying I agreed with smth GIF posted which is p much the exact opposite of that. what's the logic here?

and if Cirno is townier than me, that doesn't explain why everyone in the game is reading me and not Cirno

-Rumia

Read what I said. I pointed out the lack of any sort of calling out. If Cirno had called you out for anything, that would have made me town-lean. But I realized as I was posting that that never happened.

[The Bulge]

Why is Thesp scum?

Also imma go ahead and

VOTE: Team 9

even though 1 vote on them is kinda useless

[The Bulge]

He's just not as strongly town in my mind compared to the others?

Oh, my bad. I read that as Thesp being scumread.

[The Bulge]

holy fucking fuck i was never lurking

[The Bulge]

4. I backpedaled in the same post, which clearly you still haven't read because none of your previous posts address it correctly.

[The Bulge]

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

[The Bulge]

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

I can play the bold game too

-Rumia

READ

OR READ THIS

The town-read would only apply if GIF said something like "Rumia let me handle this please". I realized as I was typing that it was you that pointed it out, not GIF. That doesn't make it a scum-read, but it eliminates the town-read and leaves me with the scum read I had before.

[The Bulge]

If you need explanation about why it's a town-tell, I think that when one head is messing up, the other head (as scum) will try to distance and not draw attention to it. Calling out your hydra partner on their shit is town behaviour, because it means you have nothing to be afraid of.

[The Bulge]

The town-read would only apply if GIF said something like "Rumia let me handle this please". I realized as I was typing that it was you that pointed it out, not GIF. That doesn't make it a scum-read, but it eliminates the town-read and leaves me with the scum read I had before.

why didn't you just say you had specifically misinterpreted that post? afaik you had only vaguely said that GIF had never addressed me. either way, I think this specific point was a misunderstanding.

but anyway:

^agree with this. the way he brought up that flawed chain of logic felt more like discrediting to me.

I think I might just step back and let Cirno-sama handle this cause she's wording it way more eloquently than I am

-Rumia

when you saw this post, walk me through why did you think it was GIF telling me to let him handle it?

now that I look at it again I do admit I could see it coming from the second line, but still - I had explicitly pointed out in the same post I'm agreeing with GIF. how did you see that and still think it was GIF telling me to let him handle it? this doesn't seem like a natural angle to push in response to this post - which is exactly the point I'm arguing.

-Rumia

Not what I meant.

Hypothetically

if GIF were to say something like that.
Originally I saw the head-head interaction and jumped to the town-tell. Then I realized it would only have made sense if it were the other way around. If you still don't understand please re-read my posts I'm tired of explaining this.

also, it doesn't matter if we argue over "lurking" vs. "inactivity". the point is, you were using the fact you were inactive up to this point as a shield to get out of suspicion - which is what we've been saying this whole time.

-Rumia

QUOTE. ME.

[The Bulge]

QUOTE. ME.

I'm not going to pointlessly quote when you've been over this with GIF already. the point still stands, no matter which one of us is arguing it.

-Rumia

I haven't been over anything with GIF because he never quoted me either. Come on, it's one ISO search. Prove to me that I used that god-awful defense. If I did, well then fuck me, because that's terrible. If I didn't it just confirms my initial suspicion about 1542 that you're pushing me without actual basis and throwing around random shit to justify it.

PEDIT - I never buddied anyone in the hydra.

re: the rest of that post, fair enough. If you don't understand, I'm just frustrated.

[The Bulge]

@Bulge: Is fabricating reasons out of their ass, from the reason to town-read Team 9 to the reason to decide to not town-read Team 9, I've seen hydra partners argue in-thread from both sides of the spectrum, hydra dissonance is anti-town if anything (tho in this case it isn't technically dissonance since they agree), 1 hydra partner quoting other and saying "Oh I agree on this too!" shouldn't make a difference on your tell if it only happened from one side, since you're taking into account one calling for one another, if this makes a difference, then you're looking at something else entirely, not the fact that you're presenting in your answer, but you decided to use this reasoning as pushing for Team 9 scum (because the town-tell wasn't there), without giving any further reasoning on your scumread, and you still haven't countered their PoE reasoning, to do this you'd have to argue that one of their townreads isn't town, instead you went back to your activity/lurking reasoning, which means your scum read is fabricated and you're scum.

I tried, but I can't read this.

it's easier than that. Bulge is continuing to push an angle he's already admitted is wrong:

1. Bulge sees 1542, pushes us over it for supposedly using circular logic and not having a "real" reason to scum read him
2. we have said several times our read on him initially came from POE
3. since then, Bulge has:
i. admitted he was misinterpreting 1542
ii. acknowledged that our initial scum read on him came from POE
4. now, despite both of those things, he's picking the angle about 1542 up and pushing it again.

personally I think it's bc he forgot that his original angle about 1542 was invalidated by him supposedly "misinterpreting" 1542, but either way, none of this adds up

-Rumia

Have you never heard of changing your mind? Here it is in order.
1. I thought 1542 was too general (I've explained this so much already, not doing it again)
2. Team 9 explained it, I realized I simply misunderstood.
3. With Team 9 still pushing me with nonexistent reasoning (my "I haven't done anything" defense

that I'm still waiting to be quoted

), I don't know whether to believe the explanation (see #2) or to go with my original thoughts.

Also someone who Is innocent defends against a PoE by showing that someone outside of one's townread is wrong.

I still haven't read the thread.

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

Um doing what you said is like a hydra version of Amish tell.

... ok?

QUOTE. ME.

I'm not going to pointlessly quote when you've been over this with GIF already. the point still stands, no matter which one of us is arguing it.

-Rumia

I haven't been over anything with GIF because he never quoted me either. Come on, it's one ISO search. Prove to me that I used that god-awful defense. If I did, well then fuck me, because that's terrible. If I didn't it just confirms my initial suspicion about 1542 that you're pushing me without actual basis and throwing around random shit to justify it.

PEDIT - I never buddied anyone in the hydra.

re: the rest of that post, fair enough. If you don't understand, I'm just frustrated.

You do realize that 1542 wasn't directed towards this game at all and was a hypothetical speaking of one of the scenario that all scums would be inactive/lurk, right? You even thinking about that sentence as a push on you makes me think that you're having a guilty conscious.

-C

ffs I'm starting to think that you guys are not just misreading my posts but are intentionally misrepping me because this is getting ridiculous. I never implied 1542 was directly against me. See above for explanation, I'm done with repeating myself.

Hell, I'll even quote it for you with a context.

So what's the great scum strategy behind having the entire mafia team act like useless, fluffy lurkers in thread?

Proabably wasn't intended.
This game grew too fast that it tired them out and hit them with apathy before it hits town.

I understand that. I've been over this.

[The Bulge]

P-Edit:

(my "I haven't done anything" defense that I'm still waiting to be quoted)

I don't what you mean by this, but if you want to people quoting you doing nothing then you're in for a flashlynch.

Team 9 has been pushing that I have used my inactivity as a defense and has refused to quote me on it/ignored my questions and continues to bring it up.

[The Bulge]

Also someone who Is innocent defends against a PoE by showing that someone outside of one's townread is wrong.

I forgot to mention.

I think you are scum.

Is that better?

[The Bulge]

I probably shouldn't say this but

Bulge feels like a PR, the frenetic defense outta nowhere

1:17 am right now

Vibe-wise, Bulge just feels so much like a PR so I don't really like that wagon at all.

I don't like how you mentioned this... twice. Disagree with the wagon, sure, but don't go possibly outing PRs

[The Bulge]

I never implied 1542 was directly against me.

If I didn't it just confirms my initial suspicion about 1542 that

you're pushing me

without actual basis and throwing around random shit to justify it.

WHO'S MISREPING BULGE?

You're not pushing me in 1542, no.

I don't know how to word this. uh

Ok 1542 made me believe that you are struggling to provide justification
Which in turn leads me to believe that your push on me is baseless

Make sense? 1542 does not directly push me. It's just a reason why I think your case against me is stupid.

[The Bulge]

WHO'S MISREPING BULGE?

you said [something I didn't say

[The Bulge]

missing a ] but you get the point

[The Bulge]

Because you said the lack of thereof made you think that 1542 wasn't justified.

Clearly the lack of interference changed your mind about 1542.

Pick one. Did I say it, or is it an assumption?

[The Bulge]

• blatant misreps around every corner
  
• avoiding questions/refusing to provide proof
  
• jumping to conclusions (confbias)
  
• distancing between heads

Why are people still townreading Team 9?

[The Bulge]

Bulge, those 2 quotes say the exact same thing.

No, one claims that I said it and the other says that they're jumping to conclusions.

Because

you said

the lack of thereof made you think that 1542 wasn't justified.

Clearly

the lack of interference changed your mind about 1542.

Pick one. Did I say it, or is it an assumption?

See the difference?

[The Bulge]

Also you're making contradictions all over the place.
Since when "distancing between heads" changed from town tell to scumtell, bulge?

IT WAS NEVER A FUCKING TOWN TELL HOLY MOTHER OF SHIT READ MY POSTS

[The Bulge]

Also you're making contradictions all over the place.
Since when "distancing between heads" changed from town tell to scumtell, bulge?

But notty's scum with bulge, he wont vote him.

Probably because he's actually reading.

[The Bulge]

You aren't?

If you need explanation about why it's a

town-tell

, I think that when one head is messing up, the other head (as scum) will try to distance and not draw attention to it. Calling out your hydra partner on their shit is town behaviour, because it means you have nothing to be afraid of.

How about you read the rest of it instead of just bolding the first part?

[The Bulge]

You aren't?

If you need explanation about why it's a

town-tell

, I think that when one head is messing up, the other head

(as scum)

will try to

distance

and not draw attention to it. Calling out your hydra partner on their shit is town behaviour, because it means you have nothing to be afraid of.

[The Bulge]

Bins your large text made my large text less jump-outy

[The Bulge]

I am, the rest of it is explaining why it's a town-tell, so?

DISTANCING IS A SCUMTELL

How in the flying fuck do you interpret that as me explaining a town tell?

The first part (the bolded part you're so fucking stuck on) is me mentioning a HYPOTHETICAL situation where GIF CALLS OUT HIS PARTNER (ie

NOT FUCKING DISTANCING

.

Then I explain why distancing is scummy.

R. E. A. D.

pedit - I mean distancing as in not drawing attention

[The Bulge]

Ok yea

Let me clarify this

When I've said distancing, I mean avoiding addressing, not drawing attention to it.

Hopefully that clears things up a bit

If not fuck you

[The Bulge]

Ok then.
Quote it.
If I'm scum for not quoting, you as town should be easy to quote it.

Quote what? Quote you

not mentioning

Rumia's posts? How the fuck am I supposed to do that?

[The Bulge]

If you need

explanation

about

why

it's a

town-tell

,

I think that when one head is messing up, the other head (as scum) will try to distance and not draw attention to it.

Calling out your hydra partner on their shit is town behaviour, because it means you have nothing to be afraid of.

I am reading, what are you reading?

IM READING THE REST OF THE GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING QUOTE

[The Bulge]

I find it funny how suddenly every scum's defense against me has become "learn2read"

Maybe you should take people's advice more seriously.

[The Bulge]

Ok then.
Quote it.
If I'm scum for not quoting, you as town should be easy to quote it.

Quote what? Quote you

not mentioning

Rumia's posts? How the fuck am I supposed to do that?

Then I guess it's automatically disproven according to your own logic of proving things~

The. Fucking. Misreps.

[The Bulge]

Are you two trying to frustrate me out of this game?

[The Bulge]

It's implied that this is said explanation.

And then I fucking unimplied BY TELLING YOU YOU ARE WRONG

This confirms that you're doing this just to frustrate me.

[The Bulge]

Ok then.
Quote it.
If I'm scum for not quoting, you as town should be easy to quote it.

Quote what? Quote you

not mentioning

Rumia's posts? How the fuck am I supposed to do that?

Then I guess it's automatically disproven according to your own logic of proving things~

The. Fucking. Misreps.

I don't see a difference of me doing that or you saying "YOU CAN'T QUOTE IT SO YOU CAN'T PROVE IT" because afaik, I never distanced from Rumia.
You should perhaps explain that for me a bit.

I'm saying it is physically impossible for me to quote you NOT SAYING ANYTHING

[The Bulge]

Sakura I'll do this your way.

If you need explanation about why it's a town-tell,

I think that when one head is messing up, the other head (as scum) will try to distance and not draw attention to it. Calling out your hydra partner on their shit is town behaviour, because it means you have nothing to be afraid of.

If you will kindly read THE POST RIGHT BEFORE THIS ONE (if you haven't yet, fuck you), you will realize that "it's" refers to if GIF had called pie (which he didn't)

If you need explanation about why it's a town-tell,

I think that when one head is messing up, the other head (as scum) will try to distance and not draw attention to it

. Calling out your hydra partner on their shit is town behaviour, because it means you have nothing to be afraid of.

I am explaining what isn't a town tell. Contrasting. It's simple.

If you need explanation about why it's a town-tell, I think that when one head is messing up, the other head (as scum) will try to distance and not draw attention to it.

Calling out your hydra partner on their shit is town behaviour, because it means you have nothing to be afraid of.

And now I am explaining the town-read (that never happened).

[The Bulge]

so let me get this straight

pedit - I mean distancing as in not drawing attention

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

based on this, you are saying one of the reasons you're scum reading us is that............ GIF never pointed out any of my posts?

it's extremely common for hydras to just not interact in thread at all, and I think you know that. you are grasping at straws

-Rumia

It's not the basis of my scum-tell. It nullifies the town-tell.

[The Bulge]

so let me get this straight

pedit - I mean distancing as in not drawing attention

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

based on this, you are saying one of the reasons you're scum reading us is that............ GIF never pointed out any of my posts?

it's extremely common for hydras to just not interact in thread at all, and I think you know that. you are grasping at straws

-Rumia

It's not the basis of my scum-tell. It nullifies the town-tell.

Again with the misreps... sigh

[The Bulge]

If you will kindly read THE POST RIGHT BEFORE THIS ONE (if you haven't yet, fuck you)

Seriously, this.

[The Bulge]

If you will kindly read THE POST RIGHT BEFORE THIS ONE (if you haven't yet, fuck you)

Seriously, this.

referring to 1624

[The Bulge]

It's not the basis of my scum-tell. It nullifies the town-tell.

• blatant misreps around every corner
  
• avoiding questions/refusing to provide proof
  
• jumping to conclusions (confbias)
  
• distancing between heads

Why are people still townreading Team 9?

bolded is you directly using supposed "lack of calling out", aka GIF not calling me out for any of my posts, as a reason to call me scum. so why did this suddenly change from a null tell into a scumtell?

-Rumia

It's not the basis. It's just something I find curious. It's my weakest read against you, hence why it is last (ie, added as an afterthought)

[The Bulge]

Sakura I'll do this your way.

If you need explanation about why it's a town-tell,

I think that when one head is messing up, the other head (as scum) will try to distance and not draw attention to it. Calling out your hydra partner on their shit is town behaviour, because it means you have nothing to be afraid of.

If you will kindly read THE POST RIGHT BEFORE THIS ONE (if you haven't yet, fuck you), you will realize that "it's" refers to if GIF had called pie (which he didn't)

If you need explanation about why it's a town-tell,

I think that when one head is messing up, the other head (as scum) will try to distance and not draw attention to it

. Calling out your hydra partner on their shit is town behaviour, because it means you have nothing to be afraid of.

I am explaining what isn't a town tell. Contrasting. It's simple.

If you need explanation about why it's a town-tell, I think that when one head is messing up, the other head (as scum) will try to distance and not draw attention to it.

Calling out your hydra partner on their shit is town behaviour, because it means you have nothing to be afraid of.

And now I am explaining the town-read (that never happened).

Whether it was a town-tell or not at this point or not it's irrelevant you're calling what you said a town-tell and then you said you didn't call it a town-tell, that's what your post is referring to, otherwise why the heck are you explaining your town-tell that you found?

Can you please just accept that you don't understand the wording of my post. Please? I promise you I didn't fucking scumslip.

[The Bulge]

Can you please just accept that you don't understand the wording of my post. Please? I promise you I didn't fucking scumslip.

I'm not saying you scumslipped, where are you getting that idea, i'm saying that you're saying you didn't do something, and i'm proving that you did in fact do that something.

So you're trying to prove to me what you think I meant when I was saying something? Do you know what I meant better than I do?

[The Bulge]

@notsci: the funny thing is I'm actually playing this game without my usual all-aggro-all-the-time-deathtunnel-the-shit-out-of-everyone style. however, in this case, Bulge is just contradicting himself that much

-Rumia

Can you please point out a contradiction that wasn't just you misrepping me?

[The Bulge]

So you're trying to prove to me what you think I meant when I was saying something? Do you know what I meant better than I do?

I know what you said, becuase that's what you wrote in plain text, you're still addressing it as something you didn't say, and you're using it to fuel your case against Team 9, that reeks of scum motivation.

I don't understand where you're going with this

Where did I say I never said what? I really have no idea what you're going on about

[The Bulge]

Where did my post go I just posted something

[The Bulge]

Where did I say I never said what?

IT WAS NEVER A FUCKING TOWN TELL HOLY MOTHER OF SHIT READ MY POSTS

I AM TELLING YOU THAT YOU ARE READING MY POST INCORRECTLY

(my original post had a slur of curse following this but I'll leave that out in case the mod deleted my post for that reason)

I'm taking a break from this game until tomorrow.

[The Bulge]

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

actually the more I think about this, this feels like a bullshit reaching angle. 1584 isn't me calling GIF out for doing something scummy, it's me saying I agreed with smth GIF posted which is p much the exact opposite of that. what's the logic here?

and if Cirno is townier than me, that doesn't explain why everyone in the game is reading me and not Cirno

-Rumia

Read what I said. I pointed out the lack of any sort of calling out. If Cirno had called you out for anything, that would have made me town-lean. But I realized as I was posting that that never happened.

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

I can play the bold game too

-Rumia

READ

OR READ THIS

The town-read would only apply if GIF said something like "Rumia let me handle this please". I realized as I was typing that it was you that pointed it out, not GIF. That doesn't make it a scum-read, but it eliminates the town-read and leaves me with the scum read I had before.

If you need explanation about why it's a town-tell, I think that when one head is messing up, the other head (as scum) will try to distance and not draw attention to it. Calling out your hydra partner on their shit is town behaviour, because it means you have nothing to be afraid of.

This is you directly saying that you thought our hydra interaction was town but then, when you realized it wasn't GIF, said it "doesn't make it a scum read but eliminates the town-read" - aka calling the lack of GIF calling me out for anything null.

• blatant misreps around every corner
  
• avoiding questions/refusing to provide proof
  
• jumping to conclusions (confbias)
  
• distancing between heads

Why are people still townreading Team 9?

This is you directly using our "lack of distancing" as a scumtell, despite saying it was null before. (There are several other posts to Sakura where you're doing this, so you can't deny it. inb4 "BS prove it")

so let me get this straight

pedit - I mean distancing as in not drawing attention

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

based on this, you are saying one of the reasons you're scum reading us is that............ GIF never pointed out any of my posts?

it's extremely common for hydras to just not interact in thread at all, and I think you know that. you are grasping at straws

-Rumia

It's not the basis of my scum-tell. It nullifies the town-tell.

Now, this is you DIRECTLY calling GIF not addressing any of my posts null again, even though you were clearly thinking about it as a scum tell in the above post and your posts to Sakura.

bolded is you directly using supposed "lack of calling out", aka GIF not calling me out for any of my posts, as a reason to call me scum. so why did this suddenly change from a null tell into a scumtell?

-Rumia

It's not the basis. It's just something I find curious. It's my weakest read against you, hence why it is last (ie, added as an afterthought)

And this is you confirming that you were saying GIF not calling me out for any of my posts is a scumtell.

So, I repeat, what is the logic here?

Don't you fucking think you can just walk away and ignore me. If you thought GIF at 12 AM was scary, you'll be completely fucked once you deal with me. You thought you could hide behind "BS quote it" as a shield? Here it is.

-Rumia[/quote]
I'll read this when you give me a quote of what I actually asked for. Or at least explain it.

Cirno gave me "body of work" but that's not good enough. Give me specifics dammit.

Not posting until later today.

[The Bulge]

l m f a o

I literally just quoted exactly what you asked for, in the exact post you quoted. squirm much?

-Rumia

I want evidence of me using "I haven't done anything as a defense". I've been waiting.

[The Bulge]

I think he would try hard to look town as possible.

That's exactly what he's doing tho.

No I'm trying to break the shitty case on me.

That being said, I'd like to hear more from the other people on my wagon and not just Team 9 and Sakura. Address me! Ask me questions! Maybe I'll scumslip!

[The Bulge]

Oh yeah

Sakura and the Team 9 hydra are tunneling bulge

forgot that tidbit

It's ok though Team 9's tunneling was justified!

[The Bulge]

fkn post tags

1731

[The Bulge]

get off me

[The Bulge]

Links to the post

It links to a completely irrelevant post though... typo in the tag

[The Bulge]

I kinda wanted to replace out of this but being lynched is cool too I guess.

[The Bulge]

Well... he's not.

good case

[The Bulge]

Well... he's not.

good case

pieguy already made a case on you there's no reason for me to add anything to it.

pie's case is shit

[The Bulge]

Oh yea that reminds me.

l m f a o

I literally just quoted exactly what you asked for, in the exact post you quoted. squirm much?

-Rumia

I want evidence of me using "I haven't done anything as a defense". I've been waiting.

I still want either this, or for Team 9 to admit they were wrong and that I never used that defense, at which point I will lock in my vote.

[The Bulge]

pie's case is shit

And you're dodging it by beating a dead horse. I'm pretty sure that's not how you react to a shit case. You should be able to break that down easily if the case Is bad.

Do my posts mean nothing to you?

I've countered everything and you tell me I haven't done shit against it?

Obviously my counter-arguments aren't going to convince you. THEYRE NOT MEANT TO CONVINCE YOU. They're meant to convince others. If what I'm saying counters what you're saying, obviously you're not gonna agree with me. But fuck you for saying I haven't done anything to stop it.

[The Bulge]

Oh yea that reminds me.

l m f a o

I literally just quoted exactly what you asked for, in the exact post you quoted. squirm much?

-Rumia

I want evidence of me using "I haven't done anything as a defense". I've been waiting.

I still want either this, or for Team 9 to admit they were wrong and that I never used that defense, at which point I will lock in my vote.

Quote me distancing from Rumia then I'll quote what you want.

Stop asking me to quote something that didn't happen. That's like telling me to point to not an elephant to prove that elephants don't live in Europe.

PEDIT - read my ISO. The last few pages have been nothing but me vs pie.

[The Bulge]

I've countered everything and you tell me I haven't done shit against it?

you have not countered 1803, short of saying "pie's case is shit" and deflecting with "provide evidence that I used that as a defense" (when we have already said multiple times it's based on the body of work).

-Rumia

Saying something is "based on the body of work" sounds like a scum excuse to me. You're claiming you don't have to prove anything because "just look at his posts! it's obvious!". L. A. Z. Y.

[The Bulge]

Stop asking me to quote something that didn't happen. That's like telling me to point to not an elephant to prove that elephants don't live in Europe.

OMFG it's your case on Team 9 and you're saying now it didn't happen? woooooow.

Not what I meant. I'm saying that part of my case

is the fact that it didn't happen

. I can't give solid proof to something not happening. It just didn't.

[The Bulge]

Not what I meant. I'm saying that part of my case is the fact that it didn't happen.

So what does this make about you yelling at us for thinking that you magically changed something from towntell to scumtell?

my fucking god

you are all misreading that post

the post that comes back THE MOST in this push is that god damned post

HENCE WHY THIS WAGON IS BULLFUCKINGSHIT built on a wording issue. You're making suuuuch a huge stretch to find a case on me. Die.

[The Bulge]

Team 9's probably town because scum would have mad sure their case was strong.

Not necessarily. I think 9scum pushed too far on me before realizing there was nothing on me and so they throw bullshit reasons and misreps and twisting of my words to make their case look legit. They can't back down now.

[The Bulge]

the post that comes back THE MOST in this push is that god damned post

Now you're not even speaking English.

STOP USING THAT POST AS EVIDENCE

[The Bulge]

That being said, I'd like to hear more from the other people on my wagon and not just Team 9 and Sakura. Address me! Ask me questions! Maybe I'll scumslip!

This may feel like I'm asking something you feel like you've already stated, but I'd like you to give me a succinct answer, please:

The Bulge

, when did you begin thinking Team 9 was scum? Why?

When I realized they were pushing on me and making up a case as they were going along.

See my above post for more deets.

[The Bulge]

Like, let's do a recap.

First, you put "hydra heads distancing" as a reason in scum-T9 case.
When we all were like "didn't you call that a towntell?" and you were like "NO FUCK YOU I SAID SCUM DO THAT NOT TOWN"
And now you say in 1924 that the point is that it (the distancing) never happened.
So you're now saying that we're scum because we never distanced.

P-Edit: Why not? It's your "case" on us after all.

I am so frustrated this game

Literally not one person on my wagon has correctly quoted me

NOT ONCE.

[The Bulge]

You know what? Yes. Yes, I blatantly contradicted myself over and over. Yes, my scum case against Team 9 is based on the fact that they are committing

town

tells because I am an absolute idiot at this game. Yes, you all had it right. Lynch me.

[The Bulge]

What's wrong with that line of logic is that you are doing what you do best and twisting the meaning of my posts and misquoting me for days. There is no line of logic here. I never said or meant any of that.

VOTE: The Bulge

L-1, hammer me and lynch Team 9 tomorrow.

[The Bulge]

did u guys know that lynching town advances a mafia wincon

apparently not

[The Bulge]

but bulge is def town because this is exactly how [redacted]

Then hammer him and prove me wrong.

hahahahahaha

[The Bulge]

Yes, my scum case against Team 9 is based on the fact that they are committing towntells

You said heads calling each other out was a towntell.
Then you backtracked on it because the calling out wasnt reciprocal, and then you said it was null

hence you went back to your previous reasoning of scumreading them

But you never said what said reasoning was.
Then you said that your reasoning for scumreading them was their heads distancing each other.
Then you get called out on your flip flop about it being a town tell or scum tell
Then you say you never called it a town tell
Then I quote you calling it a town tell.
Then you say that despite it saying literally "

It's a town tell because... X

you were explaining why it's a scumtell.
Then you say we're misrepping you.
Then I say you fail at english.
Then you say that you dont.
Then I say that i proved that you called it a town tell and that you instead of admitting it and pushing a different angle, you going over semantics was because you were self conscious of guilt.
Then you ask pie to quote their body of work.
Then pie makes their case on you with quotes on what you did and your contradictions.
Then you say you ignored it because he asked you for a single post of evidence.
Then we laugh.
Then you say their case is crap without ever addressing it.
Then we tell you to quote they distancing between their heads.
Then you say it never happened.
Then you say that when you started scumreading them is when they made a made up case on you.
If this is true, this happened before the argument about the towntell started, so im asking you to quote it.

So where exactly is the town motivation behind you pushing such a BS made up case to scum paint pieinnatirasha?

Reading this will only frustrate me because skimming through I have already found several things I never said/meant.

[The Bulge]

The funny thing is that i can quote him literally doing each of those things.

Mhm because either of you quoting me is such a great help. Excellent proof. Yep.

[The Bulge]

jfc and you say I'm beating a dead horse

[The Bulge]

VOTE: Team 9

[The Bulge]

jfc and you say I'm beating a dead horse

Oh I meant to ask this long time ago but I never got to.
What's your read on Sakura?

Sakura just frustrates me and makes me want to quit the game. With you, at least when you misrep me I can counter it. Sakura is more stubborn and repeats the same thing over and over and over and over.

The thing is it's jumbling my read on her. I'm mad at her so my gut wants to say scum but idk if that's right.

[The Bulge]

Ok I'm not gonna get into this because I just woke up. But a couple questions.

1. Team 9, is your read on me still PoE? If not, can you present a short point-form list similar to mine against you?
2. Sakura I'd like an original thought from you that did not come from Team 9.
3. 22 are you only town reading me because you see parallels in my frustration and your own as town?
4. Bins is Sakura scum? Why is Team 9 town?

Also it's awkward because I'm actually really good at English (and yes it is my first language). Grammar is my thing. I'm known in all my English classes for being the one who knows all the grammar rules. I love languages. But when it comes to persuasive writing, I'm awful. That plus the fact that I don't take so much time writing posts or editing them. Part of my frustration is because of this.

[The Bulge]

Bins defending me because our relationship seems to make sense. But have you seen her when I've been scum? Bins will either hard-defend me or tunnel me hard. And she is

always

right. People always point out that she's defending me, but seriously, I'm terrified of being scum in a game with Bins. Trust me when I say she will not hesitate for one second to push for my lynch.

[The Bulge]

*because of our

[The Bulge]

You're asking for Team 9's reads on anyone else in this game but me and expecting an answer?

[The Bulge]

ika is definitely town because why would ika-scum jump into the game and completely change directions on his slot's stance on my wagon?

[The Bulge]

I think I'm L-2 now because ika

[The Bulge]

you lost the d

/joke

[The Bulge]

I think I'm L-2 now because ika

still lynhc -1 cos dont think titus was voting you

!

Didn't ika replace Sakura?

[The Bulge]

ika is definitely town because

why would

ika-scum jump into the game and completely change directions on his slot's stance on my wagon?

... why is this a question?

I debated making that a period but eh

[The Bulge]

Flubber, what's your read on the Bulge and view of the Team 9/Bulge interaction? I don't remember you specifically stating it.

That's another reason I felt... off about him. Will let him answer the question first before I get into it, but I liked your points... I feel like I had similar. But do you have anything more... recent that contributes to your read of him?

Why yes.
But I bet you won't like it when I present it.

...he says as he flounders in his hydra QT to prepare meaningful content about somebody who is not named "The Bulge"

[The Bulge]

notscience actually replaced Sakura and ika replaced ns

[The Bulge]

Gaiden, dave is obvtown get your vote off that.

notty why do you do this to me

[The Bulge]

I like beetlejuicing. It's fun. And if done properly, not scummy. Just funny. We all know he's lurking, a beetlejuice doesn't change anything.

[The Bulge]

i don't see how dave is obvtown. can someone enlighten me?

I would, but I'm on mobile now

[The Bulge]

You know, Gaiden I have the biggest gut town read on you and it bugs the fuck out of me.

[The Bulge]

Yep, Majiffy.

:/

[The Bulge]

Bins and I have a friend who recently asked Eugenie Bouchard to prom. She said yes. True story

[The Bulge]

Bins stop trying you took like two years of french

PEDIT- ew gross I don't wanna go to prom with her

[The Bulge]

Yea but she can't dance and kinda smells weird :S

[The Bulge]

你是一个胖猪

Hey no fair you were born that way

[The Bulge]

I am on Team 9 for very good reasons.

Bins, why is Team 9 town? What are your thoughts on the wall you quoted?

[The Bulge]

I'm a pretty skinny guy. In middle school, whenever I ate or drank anything (and I mean anything), I would get a weird lump in my stomach that people would call "the bulge" (not the reason for my username. It comes from my last name.
The stomach thing was completely irrelevant to my name. Then in high school my name became a penis joke)

[The Bulge]

notty

[The Bulge]

Bulge reminds me of a stomach

Bins remind me of a trash bin.

My seemingly out-of-place anecdote was in response to this for those who were wondering.

[The Bulge]

I'm awful at baseball tbh

[The Bulge]

I should stop posting and sleepI keep forgetting I have responsibilities and early mornings now ugh

PEDIT - I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure you don't run the bases in pairs. I could be wrong tho

PEDIT@bins - WOWOWOW

[The Bulge]

coughthreeweekscough what I'm not even here good night zzz

[The Bulge]

@flubber - fuck you, how have I not been doing anything? Why am I being discredited for pushing Team 9? Is that not scumhunting? What would you rather me do, ignore the wagon that got to L-1 on me and focus on other things? Fuck off.

although if Jiffy isn't here anymore I guess I can lay out where I was going with my one question:

We have a wagon at L-2 and no sign of a counterwagon.

That should be your first sign that you're voting in the wrong place.

Vote Thesp.

in order for this angle to work, all 3 scum have to be on the Bulge wagon already, since they couldn't be going to form a counterwagon. I get that he thought Thesp was scum, but there would still have to be 2 more scum from his POV.

when town have a problem with a wagon, it is almost always bc they can name SPECIFIC names of ppl they don't like on the wagon. however, he didn't do that here. he made a vague complaint about the wagon without naming any names besides Thesp, when there were 2 more scum he had to find if he believed in this angle. since town can name specific names, this is smth that is more likely to come from scum than town. (and no, this is not dependent on the fact that it's Bulge, so don't even go down that route)

the fact that the rest of the wagon {tn, Sakura, us, Varsoon} is more likely than not all-town solidifies it - he's making a vague reference to there being scum on the Bulge wagon when there probably aren't any. this part is based on our reads, but I'm feeling good about this

-Rumia

I'm town and you're the scum on my wagon. I don't know who your partners are, I'll wait for your flip.

Does nobody read my fucking posts?

TEAM 9 IS SCUM.

There, for anyone saying I haven't contributed or haven't scumhunted or haven't given reads.

---

I'm pretty sure that "civilian" means "town."

Scumslip? Looks like a scumslip to me.

p-edit: so your claiming to be a non-civilian team 9?

Welp what else can I say now?

I'm a macho doctor and I hate you all for making me PR slip.

NOPE! A PR slip! How fucking convenient. It's a good thing you are all confbiasing Team 9 as scum and instantly believe this easy cover-up.

Also I guess that means rip follow the cop.
Boohoo.

hahahaha

you could of at least claimed cop for WIFOM but whatever

Claiming other role than my role after PR slipping will only bring a counterclaim and end up outing even more PRs, silly.

Uhm... what?

The real reason would obviously be (if they were actually doc): "Because I'm not the cop"
No need for this CC/pr-outting bullshit. It's a simple answer.

The actual reason for no copclaim is because that would be fucking stupid. There's only one cop, a CC invalidates that immediately. There are 2 docs. They don't know of each other. Each of them now assumes Team 9 is the other doc. Doc is an insanely safe fakeclaim in this setup. Not saying this is conclusive, but it's damn convenient.

Prediction for tomorrow: Team 9 lives through the night, "Scum kept me alive for WIFOM!" or some other bullshit, and then we (please) lynch them. Because why the fuck would scum keep them alive when I'm the only person who sees that they are scum? Team 9 dies tonight or tomorrow.

Hey bert did you know that your collective is terrible and you are voting a doctor right now?

How convenient! Now that you're a claimed PR, you can just tell people to get off you with no more than a word! Well played, scum. Well played.

So do I get to direct cop today?
Because I'm gonna ask him to check Varsoon.

Ok cool so Varsoon is your partner (if it's not obvious, raking in town-reads for correctly directing a cop investigation.

If I can't get a Team 9 lynch today (I doubt it will happen now), I'd be willing to go Varsoon. I'll look more into that later. But I don't want Team 9 to see Night 2.

[The Bulge]

Summary of 2655: "lol omgus with walls"

HAHAHAHA fuck you.

[The Bulge]

HERE LET ME QUOTE HIS ENTIRE ISO EXCLUDING HIS DEFENSE

You're asking for Team 9's reads on anyone else in this game but me and expecting an answer?

ika is definitely town because why would ika-scum jump into the game and completely change directions on his slot's stance on my wagon?

I think I'm L-2 now because ika

you lost the d

/joke

I think I'm L-2 now because ika

still lynhc -1 cos dont think titus was voting you

!

Didn't ika replace Sakura?

ika is definitely town because

why would

ika-scum jump into the game and completely change directions on his slot's stance on my wagon?

... why is this a question?

I debated making that a period but eh

Flubber, what's your read on the Bulge and view of the Team 9/Bulge interaction? I don't remember you specifically stating it.

That's another reason I felt... off about him. Will let him answer the question first before I get into it, but I liked your points... I feel like I had similar. But do you have anything more... recent that contributes to your read of him?

Why yes.
But I bet you won't like it when I present it.

...he says as he flounders in his hydra QT to prepare meaningful content about somebody who is not named "The Bulge"

notscience actually replaced Sakura and ika replaced ns

Gaiden, dave is obvtown get your vote off that.

notty why do you do this to me

I like beetlejuicing. It's fun. And if done properly, not scummy. Just funny. We all know he's lurking, a beetlejuice doesn't change anything.

i don't see how dave is obvtown. can someone enlighten me?

I would, but I'm on mobile now

You know, Gaiden I have the biggest gut town read on you and it bugs the fuck out of me.

Yep, Majiffy.

:/

Bins and I have a friend who recently asked Eugenie Bouchard to prom. She said yes. True story

Bins stop trying you took like two years of french

PEDIT- ew gross I don't wanna go to prom with her

Yea but she can't dance and kinda smells weird :S

你是一个胖猪

Hey no fair you were born that way

I'm a pretty skinny guy. In middle school, whenever I ate or drank anything (and I mean anything), I would get a weird lump in my stomach that people would call "the bulge" (not the reason for my username. It comes from my last name.
The stomach thing was completely irrelevant to my name. Then in high school my name became a penis joke)

notty

Bulge reminds me of a stomach

Bins remind me of a trash bin.

My seemingly out-of-place anecdote was in response to this for those who were wondering.

I'm awful at baseball tbh

I should stop posting and sleepI keep forgetting I have responsibilities and early mornings now ugh

PEDIT - I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure you don't run the bases in pairs. I could be wrong tho

PEDIT@bins - WOWOWOW

coughthreeweekscough what I'm not even here good night zzz

WHAT HAVE HE FUCKING DONE IN THIS GAME, BINS?
IS THIS POSTS FROM 50 PAGES AGO WHERE HE WAS IN V/LA?
HELL NO

This post is god awful btw. And you were mad about other people cherrypicking you?

Regarding the Team 9 lynch, as confident as I am in my read, I do agree that it's probably a bad move to try to lynch them today.

[The Bulge]

So if your name is in my post, it doesn't count as content?

[The Bulge]

Are people really letting ika get away with pushing for a DAY 1 MASSCLAIM

WHY IS NOBODY QUESTIONING THIS?

[The Bulge]

Are people really letting ika get away with pushing for a DAY 1 MASSCLAIM

WHY IS NOBODY QUESTIONING THIS?

(this is me questioning it. ika, talk)

[The Bulge]

Are people really letting ika get away with pushing for a DAY 1 MASSCLAIM

WHY IS NOBODY QUESTIONING THIS?

(this is me questioning it. ika, talk)

Leave it be.

Sakura's replace out was town, so he's town and obviously has a reason.

So.

I'm not saying he's scum. But being anti-town has nothing to do with a predecessor.

[The Bulge]

tn, how i hunt scums is in a very anti-town fasion.

i hunt the prs delibertly, when i notice the small things that screams pr its very hard for me to not ignore it

its a curse that i bear to me

That doesn't mean you have to out them in-thread...

Picking up on PRs is helpful for town-you and a good skill to have. Revealing them/hunting them in the thread is incredibly anti-town. If you know who they are, great. Keep it to yourself.

[The Bulge]

So notty is sitting here calling ika town while he threatens to out all of the PRs and blatantly refuses to actually play the game with us.

That doesn't make ika scum. Just anti-town. Simmer

[The Bulge]

I think our current plan is:
Cop never full-claims unless he's at L-1 or he gets a guilty and any wagon other than the guilty hits L-1 or a wagon on one of his innos hits L-1. (subject to change)
At Daystart, we all claim a cop result in-thread. This way, if our cop dies, we can ISO hip for all his results.
Doctors protect folks.

This plan is pretty badly flawed. Think of it this way. Scum knows whose reads are incorrect. Every player with an inaccurate result is PoE'd from scum's kill-pool. Even after just one day, scum's options for who might be the cop are limited and they have a much higher chance of nailing him.

[The Bulge]

I think our current plan is:
Cop never full-claims unless he's at L-1 or he gets a guilty and any wagon other than the guilty hits L-1 or a wagon on one of his innos hits L-1. (subject to change)
At Daystart, we all claim a cop result in-thread. This way, if our cop dies, we can ISO hip for all his results.
Doctors protect folks.

This plan is pretty badly flawed. Think of it this way. Scum knows whose reads are incorrect. Every player with an inaccurate result is PoE'd from scum's kill-pool. Even after just one day, scum's options for who might be the cop are limited and they have a much higher chance of nailing him.

yes thats the counter to it. but its a price we have to pay to do this

Or we could just not fakeclaim results that could get our cop killed? The plan is too risky.

PEDIT - @Varsoon: if you can think of any modifications like that (probably nothing too random/confusing), definitely share. Because I do like the plan besides that one problem.

[The Bulge]

@ Varsoon what was your read on Team 9 when you wrote 2472

Null-town. I think that's the point where I threw up my hands and decided to just read the slot as town for the sake of hoping it would be so because it'd make the game so much easier.

But in 2657 you said they're a hard town read?

[The Bulge]

No no the alternating thing changes nothing. In fact it makes it worse. We only have 3 scum. If we're forcing every second player to fake claim a guilty, there are going to be more people with incorrect reads and therefore more people for scum to confirm as "not-cop".

[The Bulge]

I want this idea to work but I really don't see any way it possibly could.

[The Bulge]

Scum can eliminate from incorrect town-reads as well

[The Bulge]

As in if our cop gets an inno, but through PoE he's one of the only people who is correct, scum kills him and we have no info

[The Bulge]

ninja'd the prod announcement

[The Bulge]

Poked The Bulge.

better

PEDIT - lemme iso that but quick thoughts uhhhh his jump off my wagon + back on it are both pretty scummy. That's all I can remember gimme a sec

[The Bulge]

Here are the posts...

There are a number of different avenues I like, and I think I'd be happiest pursuing our undercontributors.

VOTE: The Bulge

Post or perish.

I'd be quite happy to move my vote to several of the other votees right now (specifically, SXTLHGaiden, startfromtheheart, or davesaz), and would do so to secure a claim and/or lynch before deadline. In the meanwhile, I'd most appreciate some consideration of the thought of trying to break the setup. I'm happy to answer specific or general questions as well.

I'll have some followup questions for a few people in my next post, I imagine.

The initial vote. Reasons? Lurking. Ok.

The Bulge isn't going to be lynched today. Looking at the people not on the wagon, enough have expressed disinterest in the wagon (or active opposition) that it can't make.

UNVOTE: The Bulge
VOTE: SXTLHGaiden

I want real pressure on the people who are deliberately not providing content. I would happily move my vote to startfromtheheart (

especially

if it puts an end to the posting diarrhoea).

Isn't it a little late in the day to still be suggesting PLs? And the reason for leaving the wagon was literally just "there's too much opposition, so it won't happen." How about the fact that I'm probably town if so many people town-read me? The fact that my wagon had so much opposition should tell you a lot of things, but you focused on the resistance itself and didn't mention the fact that you might have been wrong about me. Did you know you were wrong already?

The Bulge has dropped off the radar since his wagon dematerialized.

UNVOTE: SXTLHGaiden
VOTE: The Bulge

I also approve of the wagon on Varsoon, and would be happy to move my vote there if needed. I'd like to see us get a lynch soonish, as we are approaching the deadline. (And there's no sense in doing a lynch Monday night right up against a deadline when there's enough content by this point to make a reasonably informed lynch.) I'd like to see singleton voters either push hard for their case right now, or be moving somewhere that a lynch can happen.

Pretty weak reason to jump back on a dead wagon. Are you a lyncher?

[The Bulge]

Yes I was just thinking that.

UNVOTE:

Tomorrow please.

[The Bulge]

I dig the Thesp wagon.

VOTE: Thesp

[The Bulge]

he is, quite seriously, the second largest scumread I have ever had in a mafia game

sorry

[The Bulge]

Shit. I wasn't expecting that. There goes my credibility :<

[The Bulge]

Bins, explain your strong bulge town read based on meta

When it has been said he has no past games as scum?

Lol what

I have two

[The Bulge]

Meta harder

[The Bulge]

wait why am i at the begining of this wagon
UNVOTE:

i want the hamer bitch

This shouldn't be pinging me but it really is :/

[The Bulge]

Varsoon where you at

[The Bulge]

He started a wagon and then hopped off as soon as it got motion. He doesn't have to commit to it anymore. If it turns out to be a mislynch, he has no blood on his hands.

[The Bulge]

He started a wagon and then hopped off as soon as it got motion. He doesn't have to commit to it anymore. If it turns out to be a mislynch, he has no blood on his hands.

wait why am i at the begining of this wagon
UNVOTE:

i want the hamer bitch

try again

So you're saying "intent to hammer this wagon when it gets to L-1" holds the same weight as actually having a vote on the wagon?

[The Bulge]

Yo bulgy, are you saying you DON'T think Dave is scum?

I didn't say that. But it would make sense if this ping is accurate.

[The Bulge]

buldge: what positon were you 2 in when you played baseball with ehr?

Short stop.

[The Bulge]

as for the vote, consider me to hammer him the moment he gets l-1

Your word is still not as good as a vote.

[The Bulge]

Baloney Boobs Barb tho

[The Bulge]

GreyIce

Bins

Bulge

ika

Varsoon

bert

[The Bulge]

Because I can follow what he's saying when we were having our chat earlier

Coherence = town?

[The Bulge]

Actually yea

VOTE: startfromtheheart

[The Bulge]

Oh yea I forgot that GreyICE replaces 22

[The Bulge]

Oh yea I forgot that GreyICE replaced 22

[The Bulge]

why did you quote that lol

Fixed a typo so it doesn't look like I can't verb tense

[The Bulge]

So yes it does mean something

However I'm trying to figure out about what made ika all of a sudden stop his whole "thesp/titus is the cop" thing

Correct me if I'm wrong... but are you thinking it's because he knew the flip was coming and knew he would be proven [intentionally] wrong?

[The Bulge]

Someone hammer this shit.

Nahhhh I don't buy it

[The Bulge]

*reads*
Woo innocent!
*reads more*


Why would town Varsoon give up the gambit so easily if he was really trying to protect the real cop?

[The Bulge]

tn5421 - I can definitely get behind this. ISO is too huge to skim right now but I haven't loved tn for most of this game.
SXTLHGaiden - null as fuck
startfromtheheart - I'm not so sure about bert. Like I know he's a pretty funny guy when he plays but a lot of what he's done (unexplained wagonhops, pushing someone and backing off immediately, etc) doesn't add up.
GreyICE - pro-town. Active scumhunting, questioning. Definitely trying to genuinely figure this game out.
Varsoon - nothing he has done makes any sense for scum to do. Varsoon is either town or pulling the best scum gambit I've seen.
ika - sakura was probtown and ika is being incredibly scummy/anti-town but apparently it's his town meta? I can see that I guess.
Flubbernugget - aggressive but I don't really see why he's scum
notscience - town.
Bins - I've played with Bins enough to know when she is scum. And she's not. so

[The Bulge]

VOTE: tn

[The Bulge]

But what if Cop dies tonight? Then we're screwed.

[The Bulge]

Bins don't give a fuck about your hypnoclaim

[The Bulge]

So if the doctor is one of Varsoon and notty, we're pretty much good?

[The Bulge]

VOTE: Varsoon

Going on a lot of assumptions here.
1) GreyICE is town
2) I am town
3) Gaiden has zero access to the site
4) Scum didn't no-kill

But we can handle a few more mislynches and this is the best we've got.

Pedit -

[The Bulge]

Pedit should have been a

Damn mobile!

[The Bulge]

he is, quite seriously, the second largest scumread I have ever had in a mafia game, and you all should cash that in as hard as you can

This post in particular made me feel really bad after Team 9 flipped town. And it made me think.

I feel like I owe an apology to Sakura and Team 9 (heh both doctors were pushing me). If my town play was so awful that it brought trust tells like that and even a replacement, I obviously need to improve. Sorry to both of you for ruining your town-game. Hopefully if we ever do play together again I can step up my game.

Thank you to those who defended me. I really appreciate it.

Good game, town