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Post Post #2525 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:57 am

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In post 2523, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2474, Team 9 wrote:No the cop doesn't claim.
I'm a designated kill tonight and outing cop now will just give scum a free cop kill N2.


So you soak tonight's kill (probably)
Cop doesn't claim ever,
How do we know who the cop Innos are?

I'm pretty sure our cop will crumb the innos/claim the guilty.
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Post Post #2526 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:58 am

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In post 2523, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2474, Team 9 wrote:No the cop doesn't claim.
I'm a designated kill tonight and outing cop now will just give scum a free cop kill N2.


So you soak tonight's kill (probably)
Cop doesn't claim ever,
How do we know who the cop Innos are?


Crumbing via strongest townreads?
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Post Post #2527 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:58 am

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Or everyone claims an incestfation even if not cop
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Post Post #2528 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:59 am

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Everyone pretends to be cop, claims results every day
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Post Post #2529 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:59 am

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It's like some guy shooting himself in the foot multiple times then trying to endlessly hop on that one bloody, disfigured foot.

Varsoon, you're not stupid. Stop pretending to be.

Have everyone at the start of Day 2 and maybe even Day 3 state their strongest town or scum read.
Cop will need to crumb their Night 1 result, so letting them hide their result within that will help. And if the Cop still dies prematurely, we have something to go off of.

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Post Post #2530 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:00 am

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I'm pretty sure start is town now. Brain syncing.

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Post Post #2531 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:00 am

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Varsoon is so smart

He makes smarties at walgreens look like Spartans
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Post Post #2532 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:01 am

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Marquis you're on your own.

I'm leaving the game. Marquis can continue by himself or request replacement.


Ruddy fucking game is just full of spam.

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Post Post #2533 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:02 am

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In post 2528, startfromtheheart wrote:Everyone pretends to be cop, claims results every day


Now I'm wondering why I didn't think of that.
Sorry, haven't been in many opens with a cop. Or any, now that I think of it.

I like this strategy.
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Post Post #2534 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:03 am

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I'm glad I have been following the thread - I was halfway through working on a program to give us odds on doing follow-the-cop. No need to do that now.

ika, I disagree on voting for who the cop checks. I think it makes it too easy for the scum to hunt the cop. I think it's better (at this point) to play it straight.

I've been saddened by the replace-outs and hurt feelings here, and feel sort of weird about it all right now.
notscience
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Spoiler: It's Okay to Be Wrong
There's something I've noticed in games recently. It may have been prevalent years before and I was less aware of it, or it simply may be more common lately, but it's been noticeable. Some people seem to be ignoring (or unaware) of a simple facet of human interaction -
reasonable people can disagree on some things
. This is particularly notable in Mafia, where cold hard facts are ridiculously rare. So often in reading people, reasonable people with town-motivations can come to different conclusions about people. (Yes, it's tricky figuring out when it's misguided-town or scum-motivated, but that's part of the game!) So here's the truth I want to convey regarding any game of uncertainty:

Other players have the right to be wrong.


Let's face it - we've
all
been wrong while playing Mafia before. Sure, you have your best guesses, and some players are better than others at guessing who's scum and who's town. However, no one has 100% accuracy,
or even has close
to 100% accuracy. We're going to be wrong sometimes. We'll misread people from time to time. Sometimes scum are quite good and fool us well.
That's okay!
It's part and parcel of the game. When other people disagree with your reads, it very well may be that they're wrong. That's how it goes sometimes, and that doesn't automatically mean they're an idiot for it. (There are even quite a few times, from an epistemological standpoint, where two town players have different reads on the same player and
both
players are epistemically justified in believing the way they do. That's not a flaw in a person or system, that's just the nature of any game which deals with uncertainty like Mafia does.)

This also entails a corollary principle which is just as important:

You have the right to be wrong, and sometimes you will be wrong.


It's pretty freeing to acknowledge both of these truths! You don't have to hate someone for disagreeing with you! You can take some reasonable guesses without worrying so much about having to be absolutely right! You can
have fun
with other players because you can be at each others throats without being a jerk about it. Try it - it makes for better and more enjoyable games all around.

Thoughts?




N.B. - I created this post while I was playing in Open 569, which featured an unusual number of voluntary replace-outs due to personality clashes. I believe I would have made a similar post whether I was playing in the game or not given some other games I previously witnessed, but out of an abundance of caution, I embargoed this post until it was complete. Consequently, it contains no conscious or unconscious references to other games.


In post 2335, 22 wrote:Start up there is actively doing nothing, but nobody is calling him out for it.

Not saying I have a read on it as of yet, but it's weird as hell that nobody else seems to either.

I agree on this. (I also think similarly on SXTLHGaiden.)

I'm getting kind of irritated that this game is going on so blasted long. I don't know if it's even fair to express that, though, seeing that some people are enjoying the billion-pages-a-day-with-lots-and-lots-of-fluff-posting pace, so I don't know what to say. I suppose I'll just state that my preference is to get a lynch soon, and I think that the continued pace of this game is bad for scumhunting.

In post 2459, 22 wrote:Stop fucking spamming. It took me long enough to catch up since yesterday.

Agreed.

In post 2470, Varsoon wrote:I'm so low on that list, it's painful.
I guess I was always the sort of loser who gets suspected.

I think voting for the cop check is the best. It clears up who we all think is most likely to be scum.
The primary issue I have with it, though, is that:
This outs the cop on D2.
There's no strat to protect the cop N1 outside of blind guessing.
In post 2471, Varsoon wrote:So, basically, we need a cop claim now. The issue is that, if Team 9 isn't lying, then Team 9's dead in the water tonight and we're down to a macho cop and a macho doc.

:l

NONONONONONONO

The cop protection is obscurity. Outing him is
terribad
.
FOS: Varsoon.


I'm not interested in a 22 lynch today, and I also think any ambition to break a record for D1 posting pages is anti-town. I'm tempted to vote the spammers just to make it stop.

I'm not done with posting, but I just want to get this down before another frickin' post is made.
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Post Post #2535 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:03 am

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This account will continue playing, effectively as an alt.

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Post Post #2536 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:03 am

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In post 2523, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2474, Team 9 wrote:No the cop doesn't claim.
I'm a designated kill tonight and outing cop now will just give scum a free cop kill N2.


So you soak tonight's kill (probably)
Cop doesn't claim ever,
How do we know who the cop Innos are?


againwe are voting on who it is going to be. ill tally it up in the end and if they get guity they should claim half way thorugh next day to catch them off guard. if they got inno they remain quiet.

pedit: i can do that too
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Post Post #2537 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:06 am

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You know, in 512, my goal was to spam the thread and get people as off topic and confused as possible with hopes I'd get a whole slew of apathetic replacements who'd never find my scum team after my eventual lynch.

P-EDIT: I only suggest outting the cop if we had docs to protect him, but it seems like that won't be the case?
Right now, I think the strategy is for us to NOT vote for who the cop investigates, and then every day start we all act like cops and claim our innos/guilties. That way, if the cop ever does die and flip, then we'll have a ref to look at.
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Post Post #2538 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:07 am

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The Bulge isn't going to be lynched today. Looking at the people not on the wagon, enough have expressed disinterest in the wagon (or active opposition) that it can't make.

UNVOTE: The Bulge
VOTE: SXTLHGaiden

I want real pressure on the people who are deliberately not providing content. I would happily move my vote to startfromtheheart (
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Post Post #2539 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:09 am

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We will deal with what the cop should do tomorrow. Let me suffice it to say that I think they should remain as underground as possible. Time to put these votes to good use. (I'm going to try to do a temp votecount meanwhile.)
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Post Post #2540 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:16 am

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Unofficial Votecount

The Bulge
(4): Team 9, Varsoon, tn5421, notscience
22
(2): ika, startfromtheheart
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(2): davesaz, Thesp
Team 9
(1): The Bulge
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(1): SXTLHGaiden
Bins
(1): Flubbernugget
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(1): 22

Not Voting
(1): Bins


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Post Post #2541 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:35 am

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soooo, why isn't the bulge gonna get lynched? is that the only reason you moved your vote?
Would any lynch satisfy you?
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Post Post #2542 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:42 am

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In post 2541, SXTLHGaiden wrote:soooo, why isn't the bulge gonna get lynched? is that the only reason you moved your vote?
Would any lynch satisfy you?

See the reason I gave when making the vote switch:
In post 2538, Thesp wrote:The Bulge isn't going to be lynched today. Looking at the people not on the wagon, enough have expressed disinterest in the wagon (or active opposition) that it can't make.

I'm explicitly disinterested in a 22 lynch (as stated). There are various other players I would oppose wagons/lynches on.

What about you? Do you still like your vote on davesaz? Why or why not?
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Post Post #2543 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:44 am

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i still like for reasons i can't really put into words.
You're not going to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. S*Gaiden will not make long cases, write stunning insights, or sugar coat his words. He is not the man for multi-paragraph eloquence. He is, however, being honest to a fault, and it comes across in his writing.
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Post Post #2544 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:45 am

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Does that have something to do with "mafia goon" sitting in your role PM?
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Post Post #2545 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:47 am

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my pm assures me i am town though...
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Post Post #2546 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:52 am

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gonna be honest here, i feel like delivering divine justice to flubber or maaaybe 22.
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Post Post #2547 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:19 am

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I just got told

A) I should look for cute boys instead of girls

B) that maybe I just attract lesbians
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Post Post #2548 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:21 am

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i'm kinda curious about the context.
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Post Post #2549 (ISO) » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:24 am

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For the first part, my friend said maybe that's why i don't have a girlfriend

Second was when I said most of the people I know that came here are lesbian
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