Open 569 ~ Hope + 1 ~ Game Over!

[Bins]

and vote and stuff

[Team 9]

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

actually the more I think about this, this feels like a bullshit reaching angle. 1584 isn't me calling GIF out for doing something scummy, it's me saying I agreed with smth GIF posted which is p much the exact opposite of that. what's the logic here?

and if Cirno is townier than me, that doesn't explain why everyone in the game is reading me and not Cirno

-Rumia

[The Bulge]

I'm tired too but I still can follow that post.

How does your misunderstanding of my answer to Bins has any correlation to your logic where you tried to explain as us scumreading the 3 names because they are a lurker (when I clearly said it was PoE)?

I pointed out that your first/second line of logic is false because we said PoE not "scum bc lurking" and you tried to cover it as "because there was a misunderstanding."
That doesn't explain your basis of your logic at all.

Let me walk you through this. Sorry if I'm not getting my point across. I always have a hard time putting my thoughts into words.

Proabably wasn't intended.
This game grew too fast that it tired them out and hit them with apathy before it hits town.

NOTE:

Everything I said in relation to this is in the context of this post. I leave out the PoE reasons for the scumreads. I am not dealing with the reads as a whole, just this one reason. This one point of view.

Proabably wasn't intended.
This game grew too fast that it tired them out and hit them with apathy before it hits town.

On what basis can you assume scum gets apathetic before town? Personally I get apathetic as town far easier than as scum because scumhunting is boring and tricking people is fun. But I'm just curious. What's the logic here?

This is my attitude about the post. I didn't think it was a fair assumption to make...

What I'm saying is you seem like you're saying this for the sake of justifying your scumreads, because you have no real way of backing that up.

These 3 are scum
Because they are lurky and apathetic
Which happened to the scum in this game
Because these 3 are scum

Circular logic is the only logic I can find here.

...because the only basis for the assumption was that it accommodated your scum-reads.

Experience.
I've seen it happen before. And that game got me a scummie for "best town performance"

FROM THIS POINT ON,

I have realized my misunderstanding. I didn't know they were talking about "scum in general", I thought they meant just this game.

[The Bulge]

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

actually the more I think about this, this feels like a bullshit reaching angle. 1584 isn't me calling GIF out for doing something scummy, it's me saying I agreed with smth GIF posted which is p much the exact opposite of that. what's the logic here?

and if Cirno is townier than me, that doesn't explain why everyone in the game is reading me and not Cirno

-Rumia

Read what I said. I pointed out the lack of any sort of calling out. If Cirno had called you out for anything, that would have made me town-lean. But I realized as I was posting that that never happened.

[Jakuzure Nonon]

VOTE COUNT

1.35

(1) tn5421:

X88B88

(2) SXTLHGaiden:

davesaz, tn5421

(0) startfromtheheart:

(0) X88B88:

(0) Varsoon:

(0) Sakura Hana:

(0) Thesp:

(L-3) The Bulge:

Thesp, Team 9, Sakura Hana, Varsoon

(0) Team 9:

(1) davesaz:

SXTLHGaiden

(0) Flubbernugget:

(0) notscience:

(1) Bins:

Flubbernugget

(0) No Lynch:

Not Voting:

The Bulge, Bins, notscience, startfromtheheart

With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch. The day will end on

Monday, September 8th, 2014 @ 11:34pm PDT,

which is in

(expired on 2014-09-09 02:34:00).

X88B88 was prodded.

[Bins]

I think this speedlynching block flashywagoning people thing is actually all town.

Not counting Thesp.

[Jakuzure Nonon]

Make that tn prodded too.

[The Bulge]

Why is Thesp scum?

Also imma go ahead and

VOTE: Team 9

even though 1 vote on them is kinda useless

[Bins]

He's just not as strongly town in my mind compared to the others?

[The Bulge]

He's just not as strongly town in my mind compared to the others?

Oh, my bad. I read that as Thesp being scumread.

[tn5421]

Make that tn prodded too.

[2:38:34 AM] Feirei: you haz prod

[tn5421]

What did bulge do besides be afk for most of the game?

[tn5421]

I guess I could put it another way.

Why should I be voting The Bulge over SXTLHGaiden?

[Team 9]

Read what I said. I pointed out the lack of any sort of calling out. If Cirno had called you out for anything, that would have made me town-lean. But I realized as I was posting that that never happened.

er.... no, that's not what you said

you said post 1584 made you lean town
then, you said it was town because it's a town tell when one head calls the other one out for doing something
however, that's not what I even did at all. I was agreeing with something GIF posted, which isn't remotely similar to calling him out for something.

do you see the disconnect here? regardless of anything GIF did or didn't do, it doesn't make any sense to cite "one head calling the other head out" as a town tell, when that's not what I even did.

also, you absolutely said (regardless of anything else) that you initially thought we were scum and then 1584 made you lean town. even if you don't think that's the case anymore, why are you now claiming you never had a town lean on us? you backpedaling like this is scummy as fuck, and reinforces the idea your original read on us wasn't genuine.

-Rumia

[Team 9]

I guess I could put it another way.

Why should I be voting The Bulge over SXTLHGaiden?

I'll defer this to GIF bc (as we discovered today) he can explain things way better than me, but if you can follow my last post, him backpedaling on his read on us is a p good reason

-Rumia

[Team 9]

although now's a good a time as any to try my hand at improving:

1. when he got called on lurking, he started using his (lack of) activity as a shield to try and get out of suspicion. that's lurk scum 101 right there.
2. he's constantly acting like we're calling him scum for lurking and ignoring the real reason we think he's scum: POE and his behavior while he's actually here
3. tried to discredit our read on him with a false logic (?? ask GIF about this, it's his point and I'm not sure if his latest post changes anything)
4. when Bins asked him for his reads, he made up a read on us and then backpedaled on it once I called him on it

if that's not clear enough, ask GIF when he's around :/

-Rumia

[The Bulge]

holy fucking fuck i was never lurking

[The Bulge]

4. I backpedaled in the same post, which clearly you still haven't read because none of your previous posts address it correctly.

[The Bulge]

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

[Team 9]

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

I can play the bold game too

-Rumia

[Bins]

Actually, I lied.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

[Team 9]

like, you can't fucking deny that at one point you thought we were scum, and then at some point saw 1584 and thought it leaned town

however, the explanation you gave for it doesn't make any sense

that's also not what I mean by "backpedaling". read my post again

-Rumia

[Bins]

I will have a case probably tomorrow.

[Team 9]

well let's go about it this way

when you read 1584, why did you initially think it leaned town?

-Rumia

[The Bulge]

I thought Team 9 was maybe scum until the heads addressed each other (1584) and that makes me lean town for some reason. If one head is acting scummy and the other isn't openly disagreeing/calling them out, it looks like distancing from one's own slot if that makes sense. Like they don't want to draw attention to it.

Although, I don't recall Cirno (the townier of the two) ever addressing Rumia's posts, only vice versa, so I guess the tell-based read still stands now that I think about it.

I can play the bold game too

-Rumia

READ

OR READ THIS

The town-read would only apply if GIF said something like "Rumia let me handle this please". I realized as I was typing that it was you that pointed it out, not GIF. That doesn't make it a scum-read, but it eliminates the town-read and leaves me with the scum read I had before.