N's Notably Narcissistic Nonsensical Namesake (game over)

[Luna Lovegood]

come here skrew i won't let that bully hydra hurt you
we'll be your foster parents when they abandon you in order to advance their horrible scum ways

[Luna Lovegood]

ANDYYYYYYYYY
(I forgot out about this hydra. I am here now.)

Vote: PeaceBringer

Reason shall be disclosed later.

/buddyofSleepyKrew

I leaned town on this post because <3 SleepyKrew.

did I say that, um no. Sleepy Krew announced negative utility. Some bright players took that to mean he is announcing self as scum. Okay, so they are not the brightest bulb in the drawer, but still if you announce negative utility the reaction you get is what occured. May as well run up the claim, so who hops on and who does not. Then we can sort out what scum is likely to do...

I liked this post quite a bit, actually.

If he already believed before this game that negative utility claims need pressure, than he would have understood the pressure on SleepyKrew without needing to ask for it.

Well, maybe not. He also believes that his approach is unique and strange, so he wouldn't be assuming that other people would think similarly to him.

he couldn't suddenly decide as scum that negative utility claims don't need pressure after all.

His working earlier of "may as well run up on the claim so who hops on and who does not" combined with later describing he and RT as having "similar styles" makes me think that he doesn't necessarily believe that negative utility claim needs pressure, but he does believe that this sort of pressure is good for scumhunting purposes.

This is by far the stronger read to me so;
unvote pb
vote Rail Tracer

liked this post. when he had the choice between easy target peacebringer and harder target rail tracer, he chose the harder target.

Neroandmollie, what is so town about you so far?

mollie mostly.

I wonder.

(hint: my iso has a grand total of 2 posts, though you can prob add RT to that list I think (skimmed, on way out will read thread later))

katsuki's posting? must be scum.

Vote: dopog

Mollie I'm sensing peace-buddy vibes from dopog's 89 as well, what do you think?

Another newbie chainsawing the more experienced partner?
Mmmm.

Oh and I basically agree N&M is likely town at this juncture... had to give them crap though over the "Oh, what do you think of peacebringer nonsense" such stuff is silly, but that is me... everyone enjoys differently...

this was also pretty fucking town.

I'm not luna's biggest fan right now. (in this game) I love the two heads personally.

We had to sort our our autobot preferences before we got into this game. I am Omega Supreme!

I have a feeling I'm going after the wrong targets.

If someone with a townread on neroandmollie could explain why, that would be great.

Vote: Katsuki

Are you familiar with the nero head?

The person suggesting multiball is likely the Serial Killer.

You're a little late on this.

PB is annoying town who will probably get himself mislynched today

Nope.

and Nacho is making me sad

too many hydras

Calling DV a serial killer for his multiball comment is stupid because no one besides you considers an SK to be multiball.

Still don't know why Deas made that multiball comment, though.

Vote: DeasVail

[Luna Lovegood]

This is the next and last thing on my reading list.

Hi SloppyKrew!

-Andy

[Luna Lovegood]

SLEEPYKREW NO STAHP GET BACK IN HERE PLS

[Luna Lovegood]

Because the dirigible plums need picking and I can't get them all by myself.

[Luna Lovegood]

Spoiler: catchup wall

...its not like people read these anyway

NICE
SicklyKrew
BBmolla
neromollie
DeasVeil
mutleydra
Nani*
Katsuki

???
vifam
mnemonic
whateverthefuckthathydrawithmarpleiscalledsinceitsanewoneeverygame

NAUGHTY
dopog
Rail Tracer
Dante
Peacebringer*


@ooba: Dante doesn't seen to be an alt. Just guessing from his posting.

[Luna Lovegood]

VieraAssassin is NAUGHTY

[Luna Lovegood]

ooba is NICE

where the fuck is #17 im still missing someone

[Luna Lovegood]

ooba is NICE

where the fuck is #17 im still missing someone

Neeeevermind.

[Luna Lovegood]

Do I know you?

[Luna Lovegood]

You're new. And not a hydra.
So I'm not sure I do.

[Luna Lovegood]

Ok well here's your chance to redeem yourself!
Who's the best: Ginny, Hermione, Luna?

[Luna Lovegood]

why cant i have all of them, andy

Monogamy is overrated, apparently.

trick question. best girl is mcgonagall.

are you scum, andrius?

why are you still voting DV? why are katsuki and bbmolla town? why are peacebringer and i scum?

Mconagall is not a girl?
DV was Nacho's vote. Won't touch his vote. I believe in a more oneminded hydra then he does.
Kats is town because I actually liked some of his posting regarding his reads etc. Though I'll admit this is like, the first time I've read him as town and I'm usually wrong on him so this should be interesting. Regradless, I'm fairly confident in it.
BBmolla lurks way harder as scum. Don't like his TUNNEL on SleepyKrew since that seems to be his only major deal at this point, though.
My PB read largely stems from DV's case on him roughly ten pages ago which I thought was brilliant. His reactions to votes placed on him were also pretty bad. Before that he was iffytown. Lots of selfmeta, didn't have much by way of reads.
Nacho had to tell me that you're a hydraslot so that makes things different.
Didn't like your initial work; the vote jumping looked more like FEELERS than actual pursuit of suspects.

VA seems to be Saki

If this is true, I'm seriously going to consider /outing. Because I wouldn't have joined the game if I had known.

...its not like people read these anyway

This looks like an excuse to not analyze or give reasons

Or just a factual statement.

[Luna Lovegood]

You're voting for me? What is this?

If you're still somehow town, we can win this game together. You just have to trust me.

Andy certainly trusts you, but I don't quite yet. He thinks your case on PB is impressive, I think that your case on PB ignores a lot of things you usually pick up on when town. If you reassure me just a tiny little bit I'll be good and we'll pretend this never happened, ok?

... what does that even mean? you think him asking for sleepykrew's meta is... some sort of "wifom" that makes mnemonic scum?

is there a headdesk emote?

Using meta to scum hunt on Day 1 is pointless.

Better off using the Magic 8-ball.

Pointless versus scummy are two very different things.

I think that PeaceBringer has been pretty town despite also thinking that he was scum at the beginning. I think scum are more likely to pretend that they think who they're voting for is scum to be honest.

This seems more like the Deas town I know and love.

Coming to the bottom of this page though someone kill NEro for me thanks.

Oh PB too, and judging from the VC, ooba. (If my slot ever dies and flips town, instalynch ooba thanks)

Replace out

Hahaha... 305 was bad but this post makes me feel even better about my vote..

Why?

all of VA/Kats/luna need to go

but today is Kats.

I'm pretty excited to see how this pans out.

[Luna Lovegood]

REGARDING

VIERA ASSASSIN

SAKI:

There are two types of townies- those that actually help the town to win and those who

don't

. Saki is the latter.

N could bring

Furcolow

back and replace Saki with him and I'd be cool with that.

[Luna Lovegood]

I'd take the original shotty, if that's easier to pull off.

[Luna Lovegood]

Hey mollie! I'll be back later- going to see my doctor.

[Luna Lovegood]

all of VA/Kats/luna need to go

but today is Kats.

I'm pretty excited to see how this pans out.

Besides yourself, what do you have against a VA or Kats kill?

Katsuki lynch is baseless. VA lynch is OK but not really great.
I said I was excited to see how this pans out because mollie probably does not share anything close to those reads.

Andy, at the moment I get the feeling that your Katsuki read is an attempt to go against the trend rather than actually being genuine. And before someone asks, this is quite independent of Katsuki's alignment.

Because Katsuki is Katsuki, Andy can't get a read on him?

I really don't know why you're using 332 as an example of town-me either. First, I think it was fairly apparent that I thought PB was town before that post, and it's just a pretty standard post for me to make as either alignment about someone I 'read' as town, which I feel you should know?

Your strength on that read wasn't apparent before that post.

Pet theory here is that you're looking for an excuse to townread me.

Why do I need an excuse to townread you?

Vote: Shadowy Poison

[Luna Lovegood]

Katsuki lynch is baseless.

it not baseless. i can't vouch for others, but i explained why i thought #305 was bad. standing on its own, you could maybe possibly call it null, but in combination with the rest of katsuki's posts, it looks pretty scummy. i elaborated a bit on this in 341. why do you think it's baseless?

This is actually just how Katsuki plays.

Vote: Shadowy Poison

I guess I'll wait for the reason behind this

just, don't kill me

What are you thinking about this fine game we have going on in front of us?

Can I also say Mmoenneono ignoring my accusations makes me more certain he's scum

She lurks a lot and does things like that, unfortunately.

[Luna Lovegood]

I am feeling like a worthless sack of shit at the moment so I'll be in the game tomorrow.

-Andy

[Luna Lovegood]

Also: I call bullshit.

Deas didn't say he "knew" it was multiball, he said it's "very likely." That's speculation.

Here's mollie speculating multiball D1 in Red Wedding

Mollie is entirely correct when she says site meta points towards multiball.

Really not like this from you Nero.

- Des

is this about me not replying to you or something

I haven't been in this game as much cos I think kasuki should have been lynched right away. I am with nero and his reads but I want to add that luna thing on the list. problem is they have both been so genuinely terrible as far as leadership goes that I can't tell

what the hell is this.

[Luna Lovegood]

you're not in the game because one of your scumreads didn't get lynched immediately?
a scumread that you never ever talked about?

[Luna Lovegood]

plz drop a freaking towntell so I don't have to go paranoid on you both.

I'm in a really weird mood right now and I don't know what Andy's doing.
So if I make a wall pretending to be him to practice for our scumgame will you find it town town town?

[Luna Lovegood]

~fanfare~

[Luna Lovegood]

Spoiler: real catchup post

Also, my role is a negative utility.

wut

Haha

...

Haha yeah

...

N's notable
Making things quotable
Reading the game when I'm not playing dota (bull)

Sleepykrew
Becomes stu
Dayvigged in like post 2

Just kidding
I'm bidding
On this getting crazy at this sitting

Wish the dayvig was real
Before thelove I would kneel
Cause Skrew got a role pm that says he's vile as veal

...

Word up

VOTE: Sleepykrew

:goodposting:

I think you are trying to follow the status quo in regard to SleepyKrew, but unlike others, you are trying very hard to rationalize it.

May as well run up the claim, so who hops on and who does not. Then we can sort out what scum is likely to do...

DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE STATUS QUO TO ME

Sure, SleepyKrew can just be a naive moron who felt that was best thing to do. But let me ask you this, why if you have a negative utility role do you announce it? Does that make sense? Maybe you want to get run up, may be you want to see who jumps on, lots and lots of maybe's.

These all seem like town things to me.

At first, PeaceBringer is wondering why people are voting for SleepyKrew. It is quite strongly suggested by his posts that he didn't understand why himself. However, he then decides that a negative utility claim needs pressure, and it's quite clear that this belief has been influenced by the votes of others. If he already believed before this game that negative utility claims need pressure, than he would have understood the pressure on SleepyKrew without needing to ask for it. So, I am pretty sure that he didn't. Then, when one of the original SleepyKrew voters reveals that there is actually no good reason to make SleepyKrew claim, PeaceBringer stands strong in his belief that negative utility claims need pressure.

This was very likely not a belief of his before, so how did it become so strong? I think that this is because he was scum under the impression that this is what the townies were doing (when it wasn't) and after having justified his vote on the SleepyKrew wagon in such a way, he couldn't suddenly decide as scum that negative utility claims don't need pressure after all.

1) Why are his beliefs that negative utility claims need pressure determined by the votes of others? He ends up saying "claiming like that pretty much begs for votes, and even though they might just not be the sharpest knife in the knife drawer, might as well run them up anyway" which seems like a pretty original view.
2) Why would he justify his vote on the SleepyKrew wagon the way he did?

Not sure; "Fake pushing" for an "rvs" vote and when he's at like L-3/4 saying "I didn't know there were serious votes" sounds hecka artificial.

Not surprising; it's the RVS.

Overly "suprised" that BB (maybe others) are reading him as scum.

You don't really care about neromollie doing the same thing.

but I can't really get over how he continued to stand by SKrew needing to be pressured after it was revealed that no one was really interested in that.

When did you get over that?

1) pushed a wagon on someone jokingly;

~ which a) keeps rvs + fluff posting going which sucks whilst contrivedly looking helpful b) but is also in the wider scope indicitave of what you need to do as scum (get people lycnhed)
And yeah obv lycnhes don't usually come out of the biggest rvs wagon; But experientially/anecdotally scum sometimes do go "why aren't you voting this guy" for their first say five posts; and I reckon it's a semi-solid scumtell because it is scum motivated if not optimum play.

...

2) Was surprised about people scum reading SleepyKrew

~ which seems to indicate he probably knows that sleepykrew is town (or not on his scumteam, etc.)

...or he was still following that whole "fake pushing an RVS wagon" thing.

Vote: Peacebringer

Serous vote, stop shitty votes like the shark ones please.

Neroandmolly is town.

Do you have anything more?

oh and you really are not going to get much why outta me, I don't really share what goes on in my brain.

You say this, but we've gotten more out of others already.

Is there a reason you are being so hard to get along with?

I wonder.

I do however have a hard time believing that a one-word post along with a vote is so hard to understand though.

I think that stubborn assholish Katsuki is a stronger sign of him being town; he's arrogant as hell as both alignments but knows that he's pretty lynchable so usually keeps his head down. The "I wonder" series was a good moment of him not keeping his head down.

MUTLEY
YOU KNOW YOU SURE AS HELL AREN'T GONNA MAKE A BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL
WHY DID YOU PROMISE US ONE AND DELIVER US NOTHING

Shadowy Poison - Town for echoing my thoughts on dopog=scum -> PB=scum

That's a bad reason to put someone as town unless you're actually correct.

OK. Maybe he's not claiming the Miller role.

Unvote

What is this? Do you have anything to add to thread?

LUNA LOVE, WHERE ARE YOUUUUU?

See my last post and worry no more.

Even if he had reason to believe that it was multiball, the town motivation of making that claim is what?

Scum often hint at there being a second killing faction early on.

a play like that from a reactions based player would be to get reactions and see what happens

but you've never played with Deas so why do you think he's a reaction based player?

So, we have more than one kill tonight. What does this say about Deas?

nothing

ZING
To be fair, I found Deas's multiball quote weird but it's because of something he does as writing style and not as either alignment

@SleepyKrew, can you link me to your most recent scum and town games please.

Too much meta.

Vote mnemonicdevice

Why are you voting someone for posting meta?

Neroandmollie, what is so town about you so far?

mollie mostly.

pfft. I bleed town and all

my arguments are perfectly logical.

If you're still somehow town, we can win this game together. You just have to trust me.

when my heart doesn't beat for you
i can't just trust a winkyface

Using meta to scum hunt on Day 1 is pointless.

Better off using the Magic 8-ball.

Pointless doesn't always equal scummy.
look at you
everything you post is pointless
but does that make you scum?
(maybe)

pretend you're town for a moment.

give me your thoughts on the game so far.

Usually need blood in the water...but the 8-ball said you were scum so I'm sticking with that...

Pretend you're town for a moment, what are your thoughts?

NOPE TRY AGAIN

Why isn't Peace Bringer dead yet?

He voted a player who he thought he was town after he was pressured to make a stance, how obvious this can be?

He might die faster if you made a CASE or something like that.

Also Luna Lovelyhydra where are you

I would quote the picture again but let's all be honest with each other here it's too fucking big to be posted again.

my internet son always posts fluffy.

we once played a skype game and he spoke spanish the whole time. he was the doc. it isn't a scumtell for him.

you have an "internet son"

Why wouldn't you expect an married couple to have a son?
SEEMS SUSPICIOUS TO ME

KATS ;_;
WHY DO YOU JOIN THESE GAMES
IF ALL YOU ARE EVER GONNA DO
IS TROLL A LITTLE AND THEN REPLACE OUT

seven pages more
will i be able to make it?
am i good enough to make it?

way harder? because he hasn't done much outside of active lurking so far.

actually no not way harder

I don't want to play with saki.

Mod, please replace me.

I don't see how you can *almost* come close to reading something but not quite make it.
unless you got hit with a 20 minute ninja
from what i understands, those guys are some motherfuckers

Why are you fighting a town read on yourself DV?
A town read is a good thing, scum or not. The only time you wouldn't want a town read is if you are a jester.

not that he'll ever read this, but
jester suspicions?
really?

Peregrine's replace in is very underwhelming. I'm not *too* surprised there.

Huh? I don't understand what you meant here.

Talking with Mara there.

Personally, I'd rather vote using the Magic 8-ball scum detector than use some BS meta on day 1.

Voting on bullshit seems better than voting for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL seems better to me, but.

I haven't been in this game as much cos I think kasuki should have been lynched right away.

Still don't like this.

I think that nero/mollie is still really freaking town so I'm disengaging this 1v1 before it gets out of hand

Where have you been this game? Because you haven't done SHIT.

Done!

NICE:
theloveofmollie
deasvail
rail trace
the bringer of peace
ooba
peregrinev
diabolitik

NULL (NOT NAUGHTY?)
metal unites mutley
dante
mnem
vassassin
nani
vifam
bbmolla (???)

NAUGHTY
poison
dopog

[Luna Lovegood]

Spoiler: real catchup post

Also, my role is a negative utility.

wut

Haha

...

Haha yeah

...

N's notable
Making things quotable
Reading the game when I'm not playing dota (bull)

Sleepykrew
Becomes stu
Dayvigged in like post 2

Just kidding
I'm bidding
On this getting crazy at this sitting

Wish the dayvig was real
Before thelove I would kneel
Cause Skrew got a role pm that says he's vile as veal

...

Word up

VOTE: Sleepykrew

:goodposting:

I think you are trying to follow the status quo in regard to SleepyKrew, but unlike others, you are trying very hard to rationalize it.

May as well run up the claim, so who hops on and who does not. Then we can sort out what scum is likely to do...

DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE STATUS QUO TO ME

Sure, SleepyKrew can just be a naive moron who felt that was best thing to do. But let me ask you this, why if you have a negative utility role do you announce it? Does that make sense? Maybe you want to get run up, may be you want to see who jumps on, lots and lots of maybe's.

These all seem like town things to me.

At first, PeaceBringer is wondering why people are voting for SleepyKrew. It is quite strongly suggested by his posts that he didn't understand why himself. However, he then decides that a negative utility claim needs pressure, and it's quite clear that this belief has been influenced by the votes of others. If he already believed before this game that negative utility claims need pressure, than he would have understood the pressure on SleepyKrew without needing to ask for it. So, I am pretty sure that he didn't. Then, when one of the original SleepyKrew voters reveals that there is actually no good reason to make SleepyKrew claim, PeaceBringer stands strong in his belief that negative utility claims need pressure.

This was very likely not a belief of his before, so how did it become so strong? I think that this is because he was scum under the impression that this is what the townies were doing (when it wasn't) and after having justified his vote on the SleepyKrew wagon in such a way, he couldn't suddenly decide as scum that negative utility claims don't need pressure after all.

1) Why are his beliefs that negative utility claims need pressure determined by the votes of others? He ends up saying "claiming like that pretty much begs for votes, and even though they might just not be the sharpest knife in the knife drawer, might as well run them up anyway" which seems like a pretty original view.
2) Why would he justify his vote on the SleepyKrew wagon the way he did?

Not sure; "Fake pushing" for an "rvs" vote and when he's at like L-3/4 saying "I didn't know there were serious votes" sounds hecka artificial.

Not surprising; it's the RVS.

Overly "suprised" that BB (maybe others) are reading him as scum.

You don't really care about neromollie doing the same thing.

but I can't really get over how he continued to stand by SKrew needing to be pressured after it was revealed that no one was really interested in that.

When did you get over that?

1) pushed a wagon on someone jokingly;

~ which a) keeps rvs + fluff posting going which sucks whilst contrivedly looking helpful b) but is also in the wider scope indicitave of what you need to do as scum (get people lycnhed)
And yeah obv lycnhes don't usually come out of the biggest rvs wagon; But experientially/anecdotally scum sometimes do go "why aren't you voting this guy" for their first say five posts; and I reckon it's a semi-solid scumtell because it is scum motivated if not optimum play.

...

2) Was surprised about people scum reading SleepyKrew

~ which seems to indicate he probably knows that sleepykrew is town (or not on his scumteam, etc.)

...or he was still following that whole "fake pushing an RVS wagon" thing.

Vote: Peacebringer

Serous vote, stop shitty votes like the shark ones please.

Neroandmolly is town.

Do you have anything more?

oh and you really are not going to get much why outta me, I don't really share what goes on in my brain.

You say this, but we've gotten more out of others already.

Is there a reason you are being so hard to get along with?

I wonder.

I do however have a hard time believing that a one-word post along with a vote is so hard to understand though.

I think that stubborn assholish Katsuki is a stronger sign of him being town; he's arrogant as hell as both alignments but knows that he's pretty lynchable so usually keeps his head down. The "I wonder" series was a good moment of him not keeping his head down.

MUTLEY
YOU KNOW YOU SURE AS HELL AREN'T GONNA MAKE A BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL
WHY DID YOU PROMISE US ONE AND DELIVER US NOTHING

Shadowy Poison - Town for echoing my thoughts on dopog=scum -> PB=scum

That's a bad reason to put someone as town unless you're actually correct.

OK. Maybe he's not claiming the Miller role.

Unvote

What is this? Do you have anything to add to thread?

LUNA LOVE, WHERE ARE YOUUUUU?

See my last post and worry no more.

Even if he had reason to believe that it was multiball, the town motivation of making that claim is what?

Scum often hint at there being a second killing faction early on.

a play like that from a reactions based player would be to get reactions and see what happens

but you've never played with Deas so why do you think he's a reaction based player?

So, we have more than one kill tonight. What does this say about Deas?

nothing

ZING
To be fair, I found Deas's multiball quote weird but it's because of something he does as writing style and not as either alignment

@SleepyKrew, can you link me to your most recent scum and town games please.

Too much meta.

Vote mnemonicdevice

Why are you voting someone for posting meta?

Neroandmollie, what is so town about you so far?

mollie mostly.

pfft. I bleed town and all

my arguments are perfectly logical.

If you're still somehow town, we can win this game together. You just have to trust me.

when my heart doesn't beat for you
i can't just trust a winkyface

Using meta to scum hunt on Day 1 is pointless.

Better off using the Magic 8-ball.

Pointless doesn't always equal scummy.
look at you
everything you post is pointless
but does that make you scum?
(maybe)

pretend you're town for a moment.

give me your thoughts on the game so far.

Usually need blood in the water...but the 8-ball said you were scum so I'm sticking with that...

Pretend you're town for a moment, what are your thoughts?

NOPE TRY AGAIN

Why isn't Peace Bringer dead yet?

He voted a player who he thought he was town after he was pressured to make a stance, how obvious this can be?

He might die faster if you made a CASE or something like that.

Also Luna Lovelyhydra where are you

I would quote the picture again but let's all be honest with each other here it's too fucking big to be posted again.

my internet son always posts fluffy.

we once played a skype game and he spoke spanish the whole time. he was the doc. it isn't a scumtell for him.

you have an "internet son"

Why wouldn't you expect an married couple to have a son?
SEEMS SUSPICIOUS TO ME

KATS ;_;
WHY DO YOU JOIN THESE GAMES
IF ALL YOU ARE EVER GONNA DO
IS TROLL A LITTLE AND THEN REPLACE OUT

seven pages more
will i be able to make it?
am i good enough to make it?

way harder? because he hasn't done much outside of active lurking so far.

actually no not way harder

I don't want to play with saki.

Mod, please replace me.

I don't see how you can *almost* come close to reading something but not quite make it.
unless you got hit with a 20 minute ninja
from what i understands, those guys are some motherfuckers

Why are you fighting a town read on yourself DV?
A town read is a good thing, scum or not. The only time you wouldn't want a town read is if you are a jester.

not that he'll ever read this, but
jester suspicions?
really?

Peregrine's replace in is very underwhelming. I'm not *too* surprised there.

Huh? I don't understand what you meant here.

Talking with Mara there.

Personally, I'd rather vote using the Magic 8-ball scum detector than use some BS meta on day 1.

Voting on bullshit seems better than voting for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL seems better to me, but.

I haven't been in this game as much cos I think kasuki should have been lynched right away.

Still don't like this.

I think that nero/mollie is still really freaking town so I'm disengaging this 1v1 before it gets out of hand

Where have you been this game? Because you haven't done SHIT.

Done!

NICE:
theloveofmollie
deasvail
rail trace
the bringer of peace
ooba
peregrinev
diabolitik

NULL (NOT NAUGHTY?)
metal unites mutley
dante
mnem
vassassin
nani
vifam
bbmolla (???)

NAUGHTY
poison
dopog

[Luna Lovegood]

-Andy, obv

[Luna Lovegood]

nacho
you made my day with that
just lots of <3 right now

anywho sorry THE PLAN was to be here tonight but I wound up playing LoL with varsoon until now
my b srs

-Andy

[Luna Lovegood]

chill though, and mystical, and lazy and stuff

yeah. it's unlike you.

Luna, I'm a bit confused as to why I'm on your nice list, but anyway:

I think you're town from the way you responded to things, but I wanted to get everything out in the open. I think your explanation in #560 makes sense.

Also, is it a bad thing that I still think you could be scum?

No.

Ignoring that though, what do you think of PV's replace-in alignment-wise? Obviously the lack of content so far is not very relevant, but I kind of expected more of a response to the suspicion of him, or some emotion or something like that. Eh, maybe I'm hoping for too much.

I think you might be hoping for too much on that front.

Oh, and is there a reason for your townread on Ooba?

I like most of his posts, and while I think the "town because he's thinking like me" thing is stupid, I also think it's something townies are more likely to do.

Also. Luna. I did read your wall. The jester thing is a joke. This thing is Notably Normal. so no jester.

What do you think of our reads?

[Luna Lovegood]

Vote: dopog

[Luna Lovegood]

Why do you want to lynch Peregrine?

[Luna Lovegood]

Take a look at Nani-scum and compare it to Nani here.

Nani town

just seems lazy this game.

[Luna Lovegood]

deadline's in 5 days, i will be

V/LA until Tuesday

with some dropping in in the middle. i'll try to get something out in the middle.

[Luna Lovegood]

This is Andy.
This is relevant: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5321279
I leave this in Nacho's very capable hands, and wish I didn't have CIRCUMSTANCES.

-Andylove

[Luna Lovegood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezbssw11724
^^that reminds me of you, N.

not really liking mnemonic's drive-by post what do you think

That's mnemonic's style. I can't make any sort of sense out of it yet.

Town read on dopog...

Why?

mnem,

what are your current reads?

why do you keep showing up, commenting on nothing of value, then disappearing?

This makes me think mem is more town than scum. Generally drifting around with absolutely no purpose, no posturing, nothing is better than opportunism and all that crap. Obviously just a lean, but.

My problem is when I isoed him, the tone caught my attention:

I like this reasoning.

Dopog is an ok lynch, but there's nothing exciting there for me.

I'll admit he's not the most entertaining scumbag I've ever pushed, but he's a better lynch than most other wagons at this point.

I'm already on PV, people are just gonna get suckered into the "confirmable town role" thing.

I'm pretty suckered in by it. Why shouldn't I be?

What abou tgetting Dante?
guys u realize Dog is v/la and we risk to hit a PR?
since he has no chances to claim?

This paranoia is town town town.

The scum coming out of the woodwork.

Seems a little dramatic.

[Luna Lovegood]

What is your role name, dopog?

[Luna Lovegood]

nevermind, missed that it was hammered.
that sucks. i would have believed that claim pretty solidly if you make it earlier...

[Luna Lovegood]

Actually now that I think about it 701 was reallly scummy giving up on the dante vote and just the content has been the superficiality and the posting lackadaisical

This actually was decently scummy because it's opportunism where there was a lack literally two days ago.

[Luna Lovegood]

Plan in #802 is solid.

Vote: Mitillos

[Luna Lovegood]

I think I understand how you feel Luna, but I think there are just better targets for today.

Mnemonic was my other good option for the day, but for obvious reasons it probably isn't the best choice.

[Luna Lovegood]

Well, that promised confirmation from PereV would be nice.
If that happens, I'll be going back to my mnemonic vote. Otherwise, Pere it is.

What happens now?

I got a guilty on Peacebringer last night >:(

A guilty as in he's scum, or guilty of some other crime?

Please don't believe that.

[Luna Lovegood]

Oh

Well this is awkward

...

It was a mod error

>_>

N, please confirm.

[Luna Lovegood]

BB is telling the truth. Then you're asking the mod to confirm BB's claim, at least for the fact that his role is investigative and got the wrong result last night.

I'm asking the mod to confirm BB's claim because if the mod made an error and caught it midday, I expect the moderator to publicly acknowledge that they made a mistake. Having to explain a flop on a result because of mod error is far more unfair than confirming that you made a mistake. Molla could be a scum naive cop with an incorrect result and he certainly should not have to talk his way out of that as scum.

Case 2 - BB is lying. Then you're asking the mod to essentially confirm BB's alignment as scum.

That's the type of gambit you should clear with the mod first.

[Luna Lovegood]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p5339889]

I will not confirm/deny mod errors publicly in thread.

[/quote]
:/
please talk about a list mod about this.

[Luna Lovegood]

post 998[/url], Luna Lovegood"][quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p5339889]

I will not confirm/deny mod errors publicly in thread.

:/
please talk about a list mod about this.[/quote]

[Luna Lovegood]

garruk

Why try to lynch this?

@ Nautilus: why are you resorting to Stup already after you said you wanted to give them some room?

My reach out was rejected.

Holy wall wars 2013!

Tammy please stop playing like this.

Also you made me realize that this game is far too long for me to not have read it thoroughly lately but now I'm having too much fun spiting Nacho~

Better not spite me too much or you'll be dead before you know it!

15/45, I'm going to stab the next person who speaks directly to a head of a hydra.

mollie is macmollie.

he's very serious, almost formal.

??????

Hell, he's so profoundly literal this game that he latches onto my mollie troll, takes it seriously, and proceeds to agree with the dislike of lurking

Remember how Ceph thought ffery wasn't posting enough in Hard Boiled? Yeah.

quadz vote = mac

DENIED

amrun vote = mac?

DENIED

#470 = mac

DENIED

#568 = mac

DENIED

I miss him
I wanna chat with him. Can you bring him out to play too?

DENIED

0/4 correct you cut me deep nacho

COME PLAY WITH ME

I think I know what it is about your posts that bugs me in general, spacing everything out to make the posts look bigger was something I did as scum, it doesn't make the post easier to read you know. <_< This is really confusing though, what are you talking about and what does it have to do with syr being scum? I don't mean him confusing your scumbuddy for being town, I mean the random line about 'someone was kind to me once' followed by you already giving up on lynching scum (even though your thor wagon is proceeding semi-decently?) I mean would you be convinced by your own posts to vote syr?

why aren't you getting married?
why are you so thoroughly ignoring me?

maybe bring death to these (but also: to be discussed):

i wanna kill sd/stup
can you help me accomplish this?

Agar

Why?

Really? If anything, I found the replace out townish, especially the "Tierce is town though, I just wanted to be a bit more careful with things" bit -- mostly the fact that he felt the need to explain what he was doing there in his early interaction with Tierce and the result he got from it as he was leaving. I think as scum he'd have just left it at "my reads are the same as before" as that doesn't really give away much information considering the early game nature of the reads.

AGar looks town.

It says my result will always be innocent.

But I have a guilty on RadiantCowbells.

@mod: If a framer framed someone, and a naive cop investigated that player, what would happen?

Why didn't you this question when you first received the investigation?
Why didn't you confirm that the result was correct immediately?

hi, will catch up shortly

What happened to this?

I had a guilty so I tried to think of possibilities. Which, assuming it was wasn't a mod error as I did, would be:

Why did you assume it wasn't a mod error?

Vote: BBMolla

I think I want to go here for a moment because I don't buy the way he's been reacting to the mod error because he doesn't actually seem at all frustrated about it and not questioning a guilty result as a naive cop is weird as hell.

[Luna Lovegood]

Timing of "oh. this is a mod error." is also pretty shitty because it comes a minute after another post he made; seems strange that he would make a post, check QT, makes another post. It also seems weird that N didn't PM him and instead posted in the QT even though posting in the QT confirms his error to RC.

[Luna Lovegood]

what the FUCK is with random quotes showing up in my walls?

N, please delete quotes not relating to this game

[Luna Lovegood]

Nach, if you think I'm scum fine, but I'm not going to fake a mod error. I'm better than that dude.

I didn't expect you to. The concern was how you reacted to the mod error.

[Luna Lovegood]

Vote: mnemonicdevice

the stars tell me that this vote is a good one
they also probably have paranoid niggles on peregrinev but they do know that giving him an extra day probably is best, considering roleblocker if scum will be completely trapped on peregrine
mem is not a star child and is not town by the feeling of my early bones either, so she's doubly a good vote for now.

[Luna Lovegood]

You butting in just makes you look that you're trying to either stop RC from potentially slipping up, or alternatively protect people from the consequences of their lies.

You don't think he has a point?

RC is my strongest town read.

Why?

I agree that there were some weird things there, but I don't think it's common practice to assume a mod error,

You would assume a frame instead?
What do you think of Molla in general?

The main thing of late, however, is the push for N to publicly reveal whether or not a mod error occurred. It is pushier than I'd expect from Nacho, and I think it's just an attempt to look town where in fact it just doesn't really do anything for the town.

When a mod error is corrected halfway into the day, it should probably be revealed just because it's easier and clearer to all involved. This is a position I'd end up taking regardless of alignment; not a big deal, but better modding practice.

[Luna Lovegood]

If your fishing for a modkill, then just post your role PM and get it over with.

Otherwise, let it go and either we think it's true or we don't.

All of those things were responses to my questions.

[Luna Lovegood]

the stars and i agree that peregrine is looking mad town

[Luna Lovegood]

You would assume a frame instead?
What do you think of Molla in general?

I would not assume a frame instead because I don't think there'd be both a town framer and a scum one, but you have my reaction to BBmolla's claim as evidence of what I would think. My first thought was the normalizer and if not that, then some other wacky role combination (which didn't seem too unlikely with this setup?), and it's not like I assumed that BBmolla would ask if it was a mod error or not either. BBmolla was one of my less town reads in the game before this, so I could see him being scum, but I don't think he's scummy from this naive cop thing. I think you are.

I thought that his reaction to the mod error in general was strange. I would have had a different reaction to it (probably would have freaked out a bit more, for one), and even though I'm aware people have different reactions to things, I thought that pursuing that line of questioning was probably gonna be fruitful. Right now, I don't like how he's only talking about mod error things, I don't like how uncomfortably he's acting around RC calling him scum, I don't like his lack of doing anything interesting, and I don't like how he hasn't had an opinion of the whole N publicly revealing the mod error thing.

Well everyone, I'm town. Just normal town. If we are going to kill town, lets kill a negative utility instead.

VOTE: Peacebringer

Just normal town?
Do you mean you were normalized or?

you are both cops, AND with confirmed Sanity. do you really, really think that, even if it is a neighborhood and not a masonry, that there is even a slight chance that one of you two are scum?

Confirmed role does not mean confirmed alignment.

what do you think of Dia?

he seems genuine as fuck.

[Luna Lovegood]

Back home - going to give this game the reread it needs once I'm back from work.

What happened to this?

[Luna Lovegood]

Look on the first page!

[Luna Lovegood]

Hey how do you think I found out (!) ?

Are you always this slow or are you just mimicking your persona and popping excessive amounts of Valium before you interact with others?

I hoped if you saw my name then you would at least be like "Hi Nacho!" and not be such an asshole, but I hoped for too much.

Luna, why does mnemonic-scum post what he has in the last few RL days?

There's something that could make him town, but there's only one thing. Do you think he looks townish?

[Luna Lovegood]

Yeah, I get what you mean (and let's face it, I'm probably going to end up voting for mnemonic), but when I can't think of a good reason for why town or scum would do something, usually the player in question ends up being town. Town does weird stuff sometimes.

That's mnemonic's playstyle.

[Luna Lovegood]

Null-town. Need more content to solidify.

How the hell did you get a townread on mnemonic?

=21695]I like the current mandemaonci wagon, but is there any reason we aren't lynching this?

Because that's just a superlurker.

For the record, I don't hate a mmnemnic device lynch, he's just a vig target anyway.

And Nani isn't?

Can someone tell me why they don't want to lynch Luna? (Preferably more than one person, but my hopes aren't very high, so...)

Probably because I'm not scum.

- 292 is a very long post followed up by a weak vote.

Why was the vote weak?

556 was a better read post but Luna's posts have been very lackluster - not the scumhunting I expect from Nacho.

I don't see why, considering you don't really have that much experience with me.

The two cop neighbours would have become normal cops. That is overpowered if both of them are town - even with the framer. (esp. since they will be informed about it & since Nero using the normalizer on paranoid and naive cop would clear him since scum would never do that).

This is an interesting point.

RC

why is molla scum?

what do you think of my reason for molla town?

Why do you think you'll succeed where so many others have failed?

Don't listen to Jiffy either

they are both probably scum this game

Why Jiffy scum?

[Luna Lovegood]

Mara and kmd seem townier now.

[Luna Lovegood]

You seemed a lot more posture-y in the micro game you played as scum.

[Luna Lovegood]

But I can also see trouble verbalizing reasons for his votes just because of a lack of experience.

Sure, this much is decently clear.

There's a lot wrong here but I'm not entirely convinced it's scum. This is a tough read but I slightly lean towards town.

But why do you lean towards town? What has he done that makes you think more town than scum?

...

Like PV claimed normalizer and I'm naive have people not realized this shit?

That never happened.

[Luna Lovegood]

I got noodles!!

[Luna Lovegood]

I also need to reboot. Don't have time today, but I will tomorrow.

[Luna Lovegood]

Dante had a lot more posts than I thought he would.

OK. Maybe he's not claiming the Miller role.

Unvote

Don't understand why you unvoted negative utility claim when it wasn't miller.

Using meta to scum hunt on Day 1 is pointless.

Better off using the Magic 8-ball.

I have to admit that I did like the rigid & incorrect stance while talking shit on strong players, though.

As far as the game state, looks like you have the most votes atm...don't really like following the crowd on Day 1...plus RailTracer on your wagon...ain't buying what he selling...mnemonic is another I could vote...lurking...

What's your case on Peace?

This looked like a reachout to Peregrine while he was being wagonned, which seems surprisingly town.

you voted him...so the burden of proof is on you... never offered any evidence just a vague comment...

if there is a vig in the game, please, please, please kill this immediately.

many thanks

If it helps you just dropped to #2.

Did you find this townish?

BB claims naive Cop who knows the name of the paranoid Cop.
BB claims a guilty read on Radiant Cowbells.
Can we assume then that Radiant Cowbells is NOT the paranoid Cop? Why else would BB investigate who he knows is the paranoid Cop?

If we stick to that logic, then Radiant Cop is not the paranoid Cop, then he must be the sane Cop but Radiant Cowbells did not vote Peace.

So maybe Radiant Cop is the paranoid Cop and can confirm BB as well.

I'm confused.

I don't understand any of this.

[Luna Lovegood]

I still don't have anything better than:

Vote: Luna Lovegood

What are your other thoughts?

Mollie I'm sensing peace-buddy vibes from dopog's 89 as well, what do you think?

I liked the immediate reachout.

Vote: Shadowy Poison

I guess I'll wait for the reason behind this

just, don't kill me

This was awkward.

@ molla: I didn't like your silent hop on Kat after you reached out to them earlier, I didn't like your unvote after Kat replaced out, and I didn't like your reaction to getting called out on unvoting.

I liked this.

Tracer and Dopog are fairly decent utility lynches

Tracer utility lynch seems incredibly ridiculous but decently town.

and Luna is really, really town as well

:/

[Luna Lovegood]

RT, Peacebringer town.

The question you need to ask yourself with respect to SleepyKrew is "Would scum go ahead and do that?" - and while this opens up a can of WIFOM, I would put a "negative utility" claim in the {high risk, low payoff} strategy for scum - so, probably not scum for now is where I would put him.

Liked this.

I liked ooba's catchup post for the most part; I think reads in particular are pretty solid and makes sense. Townreads seem solid, DV vote certainly would seem weird to an outsider, and his molla case looks pretty good. Not much to work with here though.

You are voting a player that you think is town. Please die.

This seemed like an easy thing to attack someone with.

I already said I will do it, stop pretenging my case is an easy hop.

I want to know why you have a town read on him.

It seems like you don't ahve a reason and are using lame excuses to avoid explaining why. And it's important because I think he is scum.

Go ahead, then.

I liked the aggression.

Dopog:

First posts are wallotexts that look like a lot but don't say anything concrete, he voted Railtracer for pushing a wagon jokingly and then for being surprised about people scumreading that joke read. (115) Looks like a lot of contrieved reasons to call someone scum.

My problem is when I isoed him, the tone caught my attention:

Didn't like the case.

Majiffy is probably town though because he busses as scum and he's voting me.

This is what seemed less posture-y than normal kmd-scum.

BB, I must have missed Pere's full claim. All I saw was that he claimed to be a confirmable power role but couldn't confirm he is town. Never saw anything after that.

It seems weird that he wouldn't look back and double check that BB wasn't lying.

Luna, honestly the slight town read on mnem comes from the fact that any one player in a game is more likely to be town than scum,

This is dumb.

Holy shit that's a scummy post from Rail Tracer suggesting that Pere should be lynched if he, as a claimed power role, is blocked tonight that he should be lynched. First of all, it makes perfect sense that scum would have blocked him last night instead of guessing who else might be power roles. Why not go with someone who is straight up telling you they are a power role? Second of all, nothing is scummy about claiming to be blocked. Third, that's opportunistic as hell trying to muddy the waters on someone who you know isn't a VT. No. This isn't gonna fly. I'm gonna be all over your ass tomorrow and you are definitely on my ISO list so I can see what other scummy shit you've been up to in this game.

Hmmm.

what do you not like about the discussion?

players.
bunch of meta
bunch of disoriented people pointing fingers at each other flailing randomly
buddying that doesn't involve me
my inability to keep up with it given school

derps calling me out for lurking/not doing anything when there's actual lurkers actively lurking in-thread
bunch of reasons

This seemed sort of genuine. I haven't seen scumSaki pull AtE.

[Luna Lovegood]

I think RC's behavior and setupwise it makes more sense if we're both town.

keep goin

[Luna Lovegood]

Starts by calling Peace scum and voting SK instead. Lots of useless fluffing for a while. Generally unhelpful and therefore anti-town. Pere is a bit better, trying to engage people, but he does seem to be overly concerned about people tunneling him. Then again, he did replace into a bad situation, with a large wagon on him.

Could you make all of your other reads look like this one?

Links to the reasons for all my reads?

Hmmph.

I have an idea.

?

[Luna Lovegood]

Not really. The reason being that not everyone's behaviour was as (seemingly) clear-cut as Katsuki's/Pere's. Also, my main two scum-reads were completely wrong and I changed my mind about MUM shortly after that post, because of his power. So, I'll probably have to re-read everything and see if anything new catches my eye.

do this then.

What exactly was the "Hmmph." about? I said in that same post that I wasn't going to explain all my reads explicitly.

exactly.

[Luna Lovegood]

massclaim now?

i'm thinking a mass claim could work today. there's already a fair amount of claims on the table, and DV softclaiming something, etc etc.

Massclaim would be good if all of the roles are pretty much useless. I'm not so confident that's the case.

@ooba: Suppose BB (actually, I was asking RC, but whatever) said that they didn't have daytalk. What would you have done? If you are saying that my question was unnecessary, then you were accepting Peace's claim, without checking it. This is either foolish or scummy.

I want you to start talking about your reads.

I will almost fullclaim. If you want me to completely fullclaim after this, just let me know.

Why aren't you completely fullclaiming? So scum don't know if you're a threat or not?

[Luna Lovegood]

I'm probably going to lynch Mitillos if he doesn't step it the fuck up/DeasVail's result on him isn't interesting.

[Luna Lovegood]

unfortunately, the innocent on BBM blows that theory out of the water.

Why can't RC be the scumbag in that scenario?

Now for my other reads:

I was hoping that you'd be able to explain your reads in a way that could give people some confidence you're making an attempt to sort the game; the one-liners aren't helping too much.

[Luna Lovegood]

who I've experienced to be fairly laid back when it comes to how mods run their games, feel free to offer contradictory evidence though

I am fairly laid back, but everyone has things that they get weird about.

[Luna Lovegood]

Luna no lecture on me voting you at all?

I understand why you're voting me but I'm feeling too lazy to do anything about it. There will be a point in time where I step it up and my true towniness shines through, but I'm not feeling it at the moment.

To summarise: My posting style, previous points that have been refuted and other peoples' actions do not constitute a good case.

In the end, you just don't look town.

Vote: Mitillos

[Luna Lovegood]

he claimed for a reason, i think

[Luna Lovegood]

I got a guilty on Peacebringer last night >:(

that is a lie or you are paranoid...
might as well claim then- my role is Networker. It is negative ultility. There may be logic in my dying, as anyone who has a QT has full access during the day as long as alive. I die they lose it.

he claimed after rc claimed a guilty on him

[Luna Lovegood]

I am a Narcoleptic Nightkiller. Each night, I can target someone for death, and they will die if I'm not asleep. Mnmemonic N1, Kid A N2, Mitillos N3.

[Luna Lovegood]

This game is going poorly. If Nach was town I feel like he'd have "WHELP let's stop fucking around, here's the deal"'d by now.

Game is going pretty horribly, yeah. Unfortunately I can lose touch with a game as either alignment, so there's that.

Deas died. Someone was worried that they'd get investigated. There has been only one kill each night. I assume there is only one scum faction. Any such faction cannot contain me or Molla; we were both already investigated by Deas and found to not be X, so if we were scum, the others would know that they were in no danger from his investigation.

If i bold a certain phrase in thread, I die immediately with my alignment being revealed.

I asked N if i can still continue posting in thread if I stump - he said No, unless he lets me know otherwise.

This claim is absolutely hilarious and suggests more likely town than scum; I can't see any scum claiming that they have the power of a suicide pill.

I, for one, am getting a little weird on nacho/andy. I had thought that Mafia blocked us and I don't really think that Nacho would block me, over kill me if he is mafia. the fact that we were blocked N2 makes me even more sure of Molla town because, Why touch us N2 over N1 when he obviously caught our crumb?

It's a mafia blocker.

[Luna Lovegood]

Yep, if I'm not asleep.

[Luna Lovegood]

It looks like it pretty much revolves around the normalizer creating power roles from useless things (Naive/Paranoid cop, Tree stump that kills itself, Compulsive Framer to normal Framer that doesn't have to be blatantly anti-town), or basically just *mostly* negative utility (action delayer). Networker stands out a little bit (gives scum day talk but also gives Cop Neighbors day talk), but it's the only one that ends up hurting the town in any significant way. Compulsive framer doesn't do shit because it frames people for naughty, not werewolf, and doesn't work on the naive cop, I assume. Action Delayer isn't that big of a deal when most actions are useless (the only thing it really fucks up is a protect... on itself).

[Luna Lovegood]

Vote: Peacebringer

[Luna Lovegood]

aka a Triggered Vigilante.

[Luna Lovegood]

triggered by what? not being asleep?

Yep.

[Luna Lovegood]

How do you know if you're awake?

I know I'm awake when I target someone and they die, mostly.

[Luna Lovegood]

@ooba: How is it bad design? There would be no way for the normaliser to know who would be a good target. Unless that person came out and said "my role is shitty but only one step away from being good". And even then it wouldn't be enough. Because we wouldn't know if that person was telling the truth or not. I think the normaliser had two shots, just so at least one would have a good chance of having a positive effect for the town.

Maybe I'm biased by the fact that we had both cops claimed on D2. Let me mull over the setup later - I don't think N and I belong to the same school of setup design.

N belongs to a very strange school of setup design.

[Luna Lovegood]

yep

[Luna Lovegood]

I again come to the point that 2 Cops + Normalizer seem overpowered

How is it overpowered in a closed setup where we assume mass claiming would be unbeneficial? AND there is a compulsive framer?

I don't think there are five scum fwiw, fairly certain numbers wise makes more sense for 4.

4/17 seemed like too few but with the underpowered/negative utility town it might make sense.

- Des

5 scum means 4 mislynches needed for the scum to win, which is too few. Generally, scum need a mislynch for every member of their team + 1.

[Luna Lovegood]

6-5- possibly but not sure that fits numerically. But, seriously, you going to believe a tree stump claim in a normal?

None of these roles are normal.

[Luna Lovegood]

We also aren't playing a normal.

[Luna Lovegood]

Should we do peace first so the rest of them can't daytalk anymore?

I would certainly like to.

[Luna Lovegood]

don't hammer before i catch up, please.

[Luna Lovegood]

NO

[Luna Lovegood]

Nacho, getting replaced is normally a bad sign for you

it's a sign i've been lazy as fuck this game, mostly.

[Luna Lovegood]

I can do that!

Here's my super big awesome catchup post:

Spoiler: FINALLY DONE

8=======D

[Luna Lovegood]

What is UP
I'm really excited
Also I'll probably be really

angry later

on so look out in case I go INCREDIBLE HULK

Also, my role is a

negative utility

.

So thinking it over, people are voting and calling SleepyKrew scum because of perhaps these 2 things. Now, as I read negative utility it is not declaring scum but declaring that his role has a negative impact on the village. So the player is town but may have some impact that does not benefit town. At any rate

Vote SleepKrew

, we need to know what the "negative utility" is because he/she/it boldy proclaimed having it...

This post is weird when PB considers himself a negative utility role as well.

going for the EZ town cred, peace?

That's what I think of peace. So your leaning a lil' scummy to me. Why are you afraid of me asking people about you?

any sense of fear is projected from your end... no fear from me... looks like you are looking for validation of one thing or another or seeing if you can get someone to go one direction or another. Just something that is noteable... also seems like a suck up quickly to another player... but those are minor observations...

and it is actually 2 people now you are "seeking for opinions" Guess what there 2 heads and 1 player in game who has any game experience with me and nothing completed. So opinions are short... but your behavior of questioning others who do not know a player about a player you do not know is intriguing...

Peacebringer developing was seemed like a strong read on theloveofneroandmollie in the middle of his SleepyKrew feels off. I found that Peacebringer-town is the type of player who is very driven by gut/instinct/impulses and it reads kind of strange that he would continue a policy push while letting someone who he is reading as scummy go scot-free.

Oh and I basically agree N&M is likely town at this juncture... had to give them crap though over the "Oh, what do you think of peacebringer nonsense" such stuff is silly, but that is me... everyone enjoys differently...

This is a surprise, but lends more to Peacebringer town. Normally his attacks are to mislynch or discredit, I can't see him making a blind rush at someone in order to call them town a minute later, that seems like it follows more of the impulsive Peacebringer that I know and I love.

so, here is a time to ask a question you fine pair of lover birds. Is Kat's behavior true to his normal self or not? I only go on tone and keep flipping. But the SK play may have about run it's course... See I know there is a propensity of town to jump on something minor, think they hit scum and really just hit stinky bait... for me, used to fishing where there are walleyes and other fish that take a while to bite and far more complex. Her it is like sunnies snapping at bait by a dock. one post and wham bamm...get a reaction. The answer to my question can help me sort it out a bit more...

Didn't like this post, don't really know why.

Tell me why I shouldn't have you as null?

you (or your other head) have formed a town read on sleepykrew off almost no content, i'm wondering how you haven't formed any read on me whatsoever given the amount of stuff i've posted.

you know I don't have anything close to a read on you this far through the read

as to kats, hey guys, those of you that want reasons and such... go skim some of his scum games and compare the town with tone games and tone here...
tell me what you think the tone showed here has more in common with... either that or simply vote kats... Get R done. Of course you could always ignore but really not the wisest course.

THIS was weird as hell to me. I don't see PB meta'ing Katsuki and pushing a difference based on tone; I can see him posting a case on someone for a variety of reasons, but this isn't one of them that comes to mind.

that was weird. Post 6, 70, and 118

3). Read for yourself or ignore it. You care about whether Kats is scum go check for your self. I do not do the kind of stuff you want. Go look for yourself. If not, then to bad so sad. Kats is scum. Go hunt for yourself.

I liked this! "I'm not going to give you what you want, so find out why I'm right your own damn self"

@SleepyKrew, can you link me to your most recent scum and town games please.

Too much meta.

Vote mnemonicdevice

this was a pretty fucking stupid thing to rip on but I couldn't really see scum pushing on this type of thing

eh, reading over deasvail, I thinking more likely town, does not really have the same feel for when someone is scum-dogging me... feels the normal dogging me...

Liked this as well, didn't really have any purpose as PB-scum.

... even if this weren't something that town players do, why not comment on peacebringer bringing up katsuki's meta? why is mnemonic scum for doing it?

I asked the Magic 8-ball if you were scum.

The reply:

YES!

I don't understand why Dante switched votes here. It was hilarious, yes, but if he had some sort of inherent hate of meta'ing like I'd expect him to, then it doesn't make sense for him to let that push go so easily.

You tell me? What's the point to using meta? IMO...to see if a pattern exists in a player's game play. It's day 1. What pattern can you find that relates to another game. SillyCindy told a joke last game to start the game and she was town...this time she played all serious...she must be scum. Yeah, that works often. Just another reason to cast a lame vote...IMO...No way to determine a pattern till some blood hits the street. So asking for another's game history strikes me as lazy and just another way to make shit up. Personally, I'd rather vote using the Magic 8-ball scum detector than use some BS meta on day 1.

This confirms to me that he had a very real hate of metaing, so not pursuing it seems even stranger to me.

Right now Mnemonic Device is hard scum...too little commentary even when called out.

Voting for lurking is literally the easiest vote possible.

hmm

@PV

if you have no information to verify yourself today, in your first post, i want you to declare the first and last letters of each word in your role, as well as how many letters there are in each word.

e.g. if you had dopog's role, you'd put N _ _- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ e N _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ r

i'll consider refusal to do this a scum claim, since if you are town it shouldn't give scum any additional information, and if you're scum, i want to limit your fake-claims as much as possible.

I liked this plan a lot, actually.

I got a guilty on Peacebringer last night >:(

that is a lie or you are paranoid...
might as well claim then- my role is Networker. It is negative ultility.

There may be logic in my dying, as anyone who has a QT has full access during the day as long as alive. I die they lose it.

This is actually the weakest response to a guilty that I've ever seen from a town player. The bolded is especially weird since he has a guilty on him that he knows sure as hell isn't true and he's like "eh, there might be a good reason for killing me anyways".

@RC: I'd like some more information from you. No references to other games, though. You claimed a guilty result on Peace. What is your role? Do you know how reliable this result is? Why did you not vote Peace, if you have a guilty result on him?

@Pere: Your links seem a bit off. Anyway, maybe Networker is just N's N-word for Encryptor? You know, like Namecaller was the N-word for Framer.

He presented us with his N-name (Networker), but not his regular rolename (Encoder/Encrypter)?

I guess that's possible, but why the confusion? Peace has been playing 9 years, I think that he would know and distinguish the difference between a Networker role and Networker role-name.

Vote: Peacebringer

that is really stretching things on your end and from what I have seen better player than this... I do not give a flying fig what the

"role is normally" called, as it is called what it is this game and pretty straight forward.

I do not believe you are stupid, therefore scum.

Everyone else has an "in other words" role, and I'm not sure Peacebringer would be able to figure out Networker but not Encryptor. Regardless of that, the bolded is still weird as fuck.

it's fucking dumb how few wagons have happened this game. there's been like the Katsuki wagon, the dopog lynch wagon, and this pitiful fucking excuse for a mnem wagon.

no other major wagons because nobody seems to give a shit about pushing their votes.

this frustration seems very real

deadline is fast approaching... nothing from mneumonic... I think there Is like 3 hours left till deadline...

Another thing that makes me uncomfortable about PB is the extent to which he's disappeared from D1 to now.

bah, scratch that... forgot he was SK...

Why was SK town again?

Not normal, not bastard. mod said there is at least one Townie. So my guess is one of rail and dante is the liar there. But will engage in more analysis of each claim and the in game behavior as get more time tomorrow.

this seems like the weird shit that town would be more likely to say than scum; scum wouldn't be like "oh there's only one VT in the game which means there's a liar in Dante/Rail", although he never pursued this at all.

You just unsettle me Dante.

Also, for people still in doubt, I'm town.

You unsettle me.

weak response

heh, forgot to come to this, but with Radiant's stance and toughts we are going to be doomed anyway, unless RC is scum.

This was cool.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dante

Scum don't type like Mitilos is typing.
Dante wagon is better for me right now.

well if you are not scum and mitilos is not scum you just gave scum the game...
you REALLY need to watch your vote.

I have literally no idea what the fuck this means.

Rail Tracer: He is very sketchy at this point. What has he done? He has essentially led each and every lynch and town has been following him by the nose hairs. He consistently stears away from certain players (Luna, Shadow, Ooba) to be precise. He white knighted me on day one and other days. Now at LyLo pushing my lynch. It is finding an easy target to lynch and win the game. If you examine reads and game comments you can note subtle pointing one way and disengaging another. Oh, and he did subtlely encourage my PV take and let that serve as distraction as long as possible.

this seems like something peacebringer town would say

My main worries about Peacebringer were that as scum he can fake that genuine tone pretty fucking beautifully, while he dropped the fuck off the map after D1 (then dropped back on it now), his role sticks out of other roles pretty sorely (and there is weirdness around his claiming of it), and his reaction to getting a guilty on him made no sense from any town player whatsoever. But a couple of his genuine notes strike genuine enough where I can look at the rest of it and call it Peacebringer play.

RT read is mostly due to genuineness and necessity. I'm mostly not willing to think about this one too much because I'm tired as fuck, but there are a few key townie points (there's some real frustration in lurkfuckiness, although not to the same degree that it featured in Xenogears), and I think the way he looked back on the past few days in a way akin to a frat bro seeing pictures of him passed out on a table without any clothes seemed genuine and unlikely to be coming from scum.

Dante hasn't done jack or shit, and we've gotten to the point where the things that made me lean town on him don't make me lean town so far anymore.

[Luna Lovegood]

varsoon the fact you didn't comment on my super awesome catchup post was extremely fucking scummy
please comment tyvm

[Luna Lovegood]

looks like nacho finally decided to show up... not sure it is enough to disengage the rest...

The original wave might not be, but the second and third waves are pretty likely to win their hearts. My ass is firmly in gear at the moment.

Vote: Dante

[Luna Lovegood]

Why you trying to dictate me?

Good post!

Katsuki isn't trolling as much as he should be. Something is off.

Nah k nvm

VOTE: Katsuki

Whoever said SK is fluffposting is ridiculous btw

This progression in particular seemed genuine to me. Molla-town has more of a tendency to move erratically as fuck while Molla-scum is posture, posture, posture.

I've been out of it this whole game. My role and your role work together so let's work together.

What was this referring to?

Dante is town.

Also thought Dante was a hydra Nacho was in derp

what

Hey Rail Tracer just so you know, MuM is the scum on your wagon. I'd try to start a wagon but it won't happen, I'll just vig him tonight

Nah, he's scum. I ISO'd him.

Trust me. I'm a doctor.

Molla-fom.

I just recently realized Rail Tracer is muffinman

Des talk to me more about this molla scumread

oh????



oh then i should reset my read on rail tracer brb

"Rail Tracer is Muffin?"
"Fuck I better stop pushing a lynch on him then"

-If Dopog flips scum, you are lynching BBMolla tomorrow no matter what end story thanks bye.

wat

I think BBMolla's fixation on RC calling him out constantly is a bit of a towntell. I would just ignore the shit out of a shit neighbor who is constantly calling me scum.

I'm a naive cop with a guilty on RadiantCowbell, so she should be fairly confirmed town unless anyone claims to have framed her.

bothers me a bit because the thought process doesn't make any sort of sense, but these thought processes don't always make sense

town: diabolic railtracer deasvail bbmolla radiantcowbells(cause molla said so)

probtown: mitillos peace

see last comment on a MuM post

I thought I was a paranoid cop due to my guilty result. Then one of my neigbbors mentioned they had a guilty in the hood. And then I rechecked, realized I was naive, and realized something wasn't right.

you claimed naive in the same post you claimed the guilty. so this obviously isn't true.

Jesus christ you're dense

TIMELINE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T READ

START OF DAY 2:

"OH HEY LOOK I GOT A GUILTY, I GUESS THAT MAKES SENSE CAUSE I'M A PARANOID COP(I KNOW I WAS NAIVE OR PARANOID AND CAUSE I GOT A GUILTY I MUST HAVE BEEN PARANOID)"

PERSON POSTS IN NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT GETTING A GUILTY

genuine frustration

Nach, if you think I'm scum fine, but I'm not going to fake a mod error. I'm better than that dude.

this seemed pretty genuine

diabolik is

not

scum


whoever who says that he is scum will face my wrath


shadow go look somewhere else

i sort of liked this from MuM. it's the rare Metal Sonic genuineness that occasionally comes eventually.

I'm going to focus on Rail, BBmolla, and Peace for now.

There's scum between the three of them.

The day needs to end on a lynch, however, and with a lot of my scumspecs on this wagon, I'm interested to see how it flips.

Vote: KMD

Sorry, KMD.

Where did this come from?

As for your town games I mentioned, I got you confused with another player. I could've sworn you were a town-aligned player in Shadow and Lights Mafia, but I guess not.

Who did you think RT was?

hey varsoon

what's your role name

I'll tell you after tonight.
I don't want to inform the NK.

Mmmm.

Scum would want to off the double-voter via mislynch, though. It'd be helpful for them.

I don't think scum cares too much about the double voter.

Reminds me too much of Dante from Calvin/Hobbes mafia, where he was my partner.

Furthermore, poor reaction to my vote on him, and there was a bit of a push to move my vote off of him.

It seemed more like weak OMGUS suspicion to me.

[Luna Lovegood]

Molla seems town, MuM was scummy but Varsoon seems sort of okay.

[Luna Lovegood]

Varsoon/Dante/Mitillos/ooba is where I sit right now

[Luna Lovegood]

All of those questions are pretty useless.

Would Varsoon and Dante be cross-voting like that as scum, at this point?

This one's the worst.

[Luna Lovegood]

Are ooba and I in there because of PoE? If yes, where are your RC/Titus, Majiffy and Shadow reads?

These are also pretty bad.

[Luna Lovegood]

Also, you said that Varsoon seems sort of okay, right before saying he's in your scumpile. Any reason for that apparent contradiction?

And this one...

[Luna Lovegood]

Being dismissive won't make them go away.

Did I not dismiss you hard enough?

I refuse to be clubbed in with Varsoon/Dante

Hopefully this will convince you otherwise?

It's certainly a good start.

If one of Rail Tracer, BBmolla, and PeaceBringer aren't scum, then I'll buy you a pizza.

But why?

[Luna Lovegood]

Varsoon is the only player on site who can find his way into my heart without actually answering my questions.

[Luna Lovegood]

my laptop was stolen, so that explains the latest trend of lurking

[Luna Lovegood]

@Luna: Would Varsoon and Dante be cross-voting like that as scum, at this point?

yes
scum have mislynched three townies this game; both are sort of middling-scummy. why would they be particularly afraid to bus?

Also, you said that Varsoon seems sort of okay, right before saying he's in your scumpile. Any reason for that apparent contradiction?

seeming sort of okay isn't a good thing
he's in my scumpile because most other people look townier

You only really commented heavily on Dante, from that list. Are ooba and I in there because of PoE? If yes, where are your RC/Titus, Majiffy and Shadow reads?

no
they're coming

why was mnem your N1 target?

he was a scummy lurkfuck

before you had any idea that your role was useless, you targeted mnem. last thing you said about mnem D1 was

This makes me think mem is more town than scum. Generally drifting around with absolutely no purpose, no posturing, nothing is better than opportunism and all that crap. Obviously just a lean, but.

also what changed between the above and your first post D2?

mnem's vote on dopog

any particular reason for kid A as your N2 target?

he was a scummy lurkfuck

[Luna Lovegood]

Unvote,

Vote Peace

Self Preservation.

this is scummy as fuck; varsoon, why did you stop voting this?

[Luna Lovegood]

Calling teams, setting up mislynch-chains, and calling me scum with another player?

c'mon, Ooba.

VOTE: Ooba

voting him is dumb when we can force him to kill himself
i don't want him to kill himself since shadow can create evens if scum kill him

[Luna Lovegood]

I meant that, if they were scum together, being so close to victory (assuming a team of 4), at least one of them may concentrate on someone else, instead

sure someone probably focused on something else

I can wait for the remaining catch-up posts, assuming they come fairly soon.

my laptop was stolen, meaning i have no computer access unless i'm using my girlfriend's laptop

no, mnem voted dopog before that post, and you were calling him a town lean in that post.

i also thought dopog was gonna flip scum at that point
the lack of opportunism was what really sold me on mnemonic being town. i could see scum of her level not having the skill to posture/do things like that, but i couldn't see her simultaneously lacking the skill to do that but having the skill to avoid being opportunistic pretty much entirely. then dopog got really town after he was lynched, but brought up mnemonic's switch onto his wagon, which sort of killed all my good reasons for that townread.

[Luna Lovegood]

i want to lynch you, nacho

do something that looks town

i really want to do something that looks town for you muffin
i really do
but i don't have the time to do that tryhard town as fuck stuff, so you're gonna have to deal with me like this

Varsoon/Dante/Mitillos/ooba is where I sit right now

is this still where you're at?

because the way you talked to varsoon in 1952 doesn't look like something i'd expect you to say to a scum read about a scum read

ooba is the person most likely to drop off that list, although I'm starting to like Varsoon a bit more
dante/Mitillos feel like baller picks, majiffy could easily be scum, pb still gives me doubts but not many

dante/mitillos/varsoon/majiffy is probably where I'm sitting right now.

I'm thinking Maj\Luna\BBM now.

why?

@Rail: You aren't going to get your Luna lynch. Join me on the Maj wagon - we can switch back later if required.

he's not going to lynch me, you're not going to lynch majiffy...
there's only one option left, ooba.

[Luna Lovegood]

Dante was scum but only in association with Varsoon

Well, this is something new.

Among those who are left, I had a really strong read on RC but Titus has been underwhelming (and another *reason* - he's not posting here much) - but still a leaning town.

Wasn't your strong read on RC based on BBM being scum?

but Mit's play hasn't had the conviction of scum trying to push mislynches.

How is this a towntell? Would you call my play in Days 1-3 as something that "has the conviction to push mislynches"?

p-edit: @ooba: I think so, yeah. Luna seems scummier than both Dante and Majiffy, at the very least.

I seem scummier than Dante? How?

[Luna Lovegood]

No it's not - The Dante voting Varsoon who was voting Dante was what triggered this thought.

But why does Varsoon-town make Dante-town unacceptable?

I've been fairly wishy-washy on BBM.

Man, I haven't been in the game for a while.

[Luna Lovegood]

That I did.

[Luna Lovegood]

Vote: Mitillos

On my way out, but here's where I want to start.

[Luna Lovegood]

Nacho when you get back can we chat?

I'm here all day, baby.

[Luna Lovegood]

@Molla: Why the question? We already knew Varsoon is a double voter. 9 people means 10 votes, majority is more than 5, so at least 6.

Continuing from yesterday:

Vote: Luna

I'm intensely surprised that yesterday's lynch did nothing to change your mind at all.

[Luna Lovegood]

Especially since you voted me as a counterwagon to Dante yesterday.

[Luna Lovegood]

That's what it's looking like.

[Luna Lovegood]

Ooba still feels like the scumbutt on the Luna CW.

Can we stump him now please?

SP has the ability to make uneven numbers, so we'll make him stump when it's a free lynch to.

@Luna: Why should I have changed my mind about you? Do you never bus? Anyway, I said that I thought Dante was scum, but you looked scummier. The only part of his flip that surprised me was that he was the nagger/roleblocker. I kind of expected that to be your role.
My mind isn't changed at all: I think the scumteam is Luna/Peace/{probably one of BB/Titus}

You voted me as a compromise lynch yesterday. What's your current case on me? Lurking?

VOTE: Mit

why is SP alive?

One of Majiffy/ooba scum, probably.

don't think luna is confirmed anything SP... I know I am not scum... however, militosis is sketchy as well-
RT lynch points to Luna though

vote militosis

Why are you following me onto this lynch, then?

Also, before I forget to mention this, yet again: it turned out my role really is useless. My target last night was RT.
I'd like to hear other people's actions too, starting with Luna.

My target was you.
Why does this matter in the least?

@Shadow: Or because mafia was worried that you might be lying about protecting Majiffy, making it possible that they might accidentally kill one of their own. Or even, because they believed both you and Majiffy and decided that it might be best to leave you alive as mislynch fodder, since they wouldn't get an extra kill from your power.

Supposing the trigger is a visit from someone else, then it's a big risk for the mafia to leave him alive, when we have two otherwise useless investigative roles.

It's confirmed that isn't the case. I don't see why it's a risk for the mafia to leave me alive when I've shot three times and I've killed 0 people.

[Luna Lovegood]

Dante: Seems to be making a good effort to scumhunt. Some fluff and useless posts here and there, but otherwise seems alright.
Read: Town.

Dante: Same as before. I was asked to elaborate on him before and I did. Since then, it's been more of the same. He's town.

p-edit: @ooba: I think so, yeah. Luna seems scummier than both Dante and Majiffy, at the very least.

Specifically, Peace and Dante. I'm starting to think Luna may be third. Finally, one of RC/BB, not yet sure which.

Along with this, we have all the scummy stuff Dante did, that others have pointed out. I'm not saying Dante is town. He is probably also scum, just not quite as scummy-looking as you, at the moment.
A couple of others stated intent to hammer Dante (a little prematurely, since he was at L-2 at that time), but if they don't, I will. I'd like him to answer my question first, though. Or rather, Shadow's question that I repeated.

You started out calling him pretty strong town, and then mentioned that he was scum due to PoE. Then you kept calling him "not as scum as the rest of us", even though you thought I was townier than Dante until the big wagon on me. What changed?

[Luna Lovegood]

One of Majiffy/ooba scum, probably.

So why aren't we stumping ooba again?

I would rather stump him when we're on evens and not on odds, which we know is probably going to happen because SP.

[Luna Lovegood]

@Varsoon: The hell kind of tell is that? Didn't we already have someone go with word usage as a scumtell and be wrong? I agree with you on Peacebeinger, though. He's clearly scum. Get off Shadow, he's obv-town.

Unvote

Vote: Peace

And yes, Shadow. I did sheep you. I already said, "there were other cases against Dante, which also helped convinced me." But that wasn't the only reason I thought Dante was scum, as I said above.

So why are you voting Peace, again? I thought you were so interested in scum-me just a moment ago.

[Luna Lovegood]

I am. I want you lynched, because I think you are scum. I am also pragmatic; there's obviously not enough support for your lynch, so, I'm moving to my next biggest scumread. I intended to include something along those lines in the post you quoted, but, unaccountably, I forgot.

I would understand if there was a wagon on the person you're voting or several unvoted people claiming that they want to vote him, but... there isn't.

I honestly don't have much direction this game.

I got my groove back! Sheep me.

[Luna Lovegood]

2 deaths... seriously...
ugg
luna musta been responsible for the extra

nope.
i targetted you.

Vote: Peacebringer

Ooba, it's stump time.

[Luna Lovegood]

Unvote

whoops too early

[Luna Lovegood]

especially since Varsoon + scummate can quickhammer whoever the fuck, although I'm seriously doubting he's scum

[Luna Lovegood]

Gotcha.
But I really don't think Mit is scum, so I guess I'll be a groove-destroyer.

Vote: Mit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMDjIbfKcXE

[Luna Lovegood]

now if they still have 2 kills... sorry game will likely be over... tata..

scum doesn't have 2 kills

Let me ask you this, where do you think the extra kill came from? honestly. Luna claims to have targeted me... do not believe it for a minute.

SP is my guess.

[Luna Lovegood]

Luna, who do we vote for?

Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.

[Luna Lovegood]

PB's AtE feels genuine, though.

It does, but peace is a better player than he lets on so I don't trust it completely. Bb doesn't really make that much sense as scum either.

[Luna Lovegood]

Luna, who do we vote for?

Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.

yeah but ooba shouldnt die today.

Why not? It is a free kill, after all.

[Luna Lovegood]

Luna, who do we vote for?

Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.

of course you say that because you are scum, scum, scum as I have stating nearly all game

You didn't say it very loudly until you had someone to champion your cause for you.

[Luna Lovegood]

because if ooba is town and varsoon is scum, scum can autowin pretty much?

ooba stumping would bring things down to 5 alive, 4 to lynch, meaning varsoon+buddy would be no closer to winning.

also i feel weird that he's not considering this at all and just calling me town.

conviction that RC was town the entire game is pretty interesting, yeah. considering all RC did was call him scum and literally nothing else, i would expect some doubts every now and then.

Luna did you out your targets?

Luna is probably town due to roleclaim

I did.

[Luna Lovegood]

Give ooba three days to stump.

[Luna Lovegood]

Nacho it really sucks that PB is pulling what you normally do as town at this point instead of you

You're reassured in pb asking ooba to stump and expected me to do something like tha instead?

[Luna Lovegood]

wat

Aka what are you talking about?

[Luna Lovegood]

Nacho it really sucks that PB is pulling what you normally do as town at this point instead of you

You're reassured in pb asking ooba to stump and expected me to do something like tha instead?

slightly missed the point I think and very scumish reaction here people...

You're welcome to answer that question as well.

[Luna Lovegood]

Mmmmmmmm.

[Luna Lovegood]

It would be incredibly odd for ooba to actually follow through with analysis if he was scum fakeclaiming stump and had no intention of actually stumping unless he thought he could get away with not stumping (although he seriously, seriously won't be able to).

[Luna Lovegood]

Ooba, if you are a town stump and if you're correct that Varsoon is town, we're in good shape.

Ooba town means that things get really, really weird from my position.

[Luna Lovegood]

aka Peacebringer pretty much HAS to be scum here unless you're playing a really good game, and I guess he would have to be scum with mac? but that would still be really really impressive scumplay. peace is good, but I don't think he's that good tbh.

[Luna Lovegood]

guys i think ooba might be scum

[Luna Lovegood]

Vote: ooba

[Luna Lovegood]

I meant to say "I think ooba might be town" but I Freudian slipped because he's so scum. Ballsy as all hell, but still obvious scum.

[Luna Lovegood]

If we think Varsoon is town we should probably no lynch before that, no?

We shouldn't have to, I think.

[Luna Lovegood]

and would actually rather not because peacebringer

[Luna Lovegood]

-Mod won't lie to you
-Don't see you actually stumping as scum tree stump for obvious reasons
-Hence why I call you "ballsy", but it seems more likely than any of the other scenarios.

[Luna Lovegood]

And what do you think N will answer? "oh yeah the nagging notifier also has the power to VANILLAIZE too". I sort of doubt that's the case, considering Peregrine getting blocked N1 and then sending me noodles N2.

[Luna Lovegood]

"Mit is a Universal Backup but also a JOAT"

[Luna Lovegood]

What's the point of a Vanillaizer when you already have a Normalizer + a bunch of useless power roles + a roleblocker?

[Luna Lovegood]

The roleblocker deals with things that were normalized already, scum doesn't need any more added power.

[Luna Lovegood]

Varsoon what the fuck

[Luna Lovegood]

Like actually, what the fuck.

[Luna Lovegood]

probably?
varsoon he quickhammered me and is trolling

[Luna Lovegood]

i don't even remember cutting you deep in the past, man. i mislynched you in xenoblade because vig + lived, but that happened for obvious reasons

[Luna Lovegood]

The first cut is the deepest.

i still love you bro
but when i start lynching scum and everything is going great
don't lynch me even if i'm not singing my sweet, sweet words

[Luna Lovegood]

Also, I lost my double-voter power awhile ago.

[Luna Lovegood]

varsoon?

[Luna Lovegood]

that gambit owned if you're not fucking with me

[Luna Lovegood]

damnit varsoon

[Luna Lovegood]

Vote: Ooba

[Luna Lovegood]

Varsoon I coulda been the comeback kid

Vote: Ooba

[Luna Lovegood]

WE COULD HAVE HAD IT ALL

Vote: ooba

[Luna Lovegood]

we could have gotten 4 straight scumlynches after three mislynches.
do you know how awesome that would have been?

Vote: ooba

[Luna Lovegood]

i'll love you even when i'm not the comeback kid too varsoon

Vote: ooba

won't love ooba though

[Luna Lovegood]

FOLLOW YOUR HEART

Vote: ooba

don't feel horrible, me making it to lylo is usually not a good thing when I'm town

[Luna Lovegood]

I've got to go do real-life things.

Please keep voting Ooba,

VOTE: Ooba


Nacho, I'm so sorry
I'm so sorry.

i could never stay mad at you varsoon

Vote: ooba

i kinda wanted a whole page of voting ooba

[Luna Lovegood]

Vote: ooba

I believe.

[Luna Lovegood]

There's a huge elephant in the room you might be missing, especially when you say things like #2307.

[Luna Lovegood]

A couple of them, to be fair.

[Luna Lovegood]

I do agree that Varsoon is either town or a massive dick, though.

[Luna Lovegood]

indeed.

shall we talk about the elephant?

I kinda want peace to acknowledge it, at least.

[Luna Lovegood]

hey, varsoon... read over the whole slot on Mac. Please explain to me the psychology of RC's play if scum...
followed by Titus, then Mac's play at the tale. You are going on an expectation that is faulty. Add in things from a design perspective. You seriously think balance wise the mod put 2 opposing "cops" together as neighbor with one bad and one good? And then the bad one just initially locked onto the good one? really? And then kills their partner at the end? Ask yourself Varsoon why you are alive, seriously...
Look serious at Nacho's play. Compare it with His record. Seriously.

then explain to me the psychology of my play as scum...Luna himself admitted I would have to be a master manipulative, super good player to pull it off. I am not that good.
Luna-Nacho's play has been one to avoid things and then at the tail here try and engage things think is scummy.

I can see good and bad neighbor easily enough; scum cop getting normalized would reward him for protown play and allow him to go traitor hunting. As for RC's play, it doesn't seem that much of a stretch for him to use tunneling as a scum strategy, but that gets weird when the replace out comes. Titus play has absolutely nothing interesting at all, but Mac jumped into the game fairly quickly, was aggressive in a very nice way early.

MuM's play doesn't really require too much weirdness to see as scum, and I'll admit I was never fully sold on Varsoon until after the failed quick hammer, where his frustration was far too real to be post game trolling while expecting a win.

My play requires a lot of ridiculousness to be scum, but what you bring up against me is the slow start and nothing of the recent vibes and even ignored the ooba hammer until Mac called you out on it.

Your play requires good play, yes. Genuine points, a genuine push, but not anything more than that. You shuffled around awkwardly when scum was getting lynched, kept trying to nudge people back onto my wagon when my wagon still had life. So it takes the smallest jump to see your slot as scum, while everyone else takes a bit of squinty eyes and stretches.

[Luna Lovegood]

Right, this isn't lylo.

VOTE: RC

I'm tired of my scumreads being ignored. Lynch me so you know I'm town, then hit Miti/BB in that order. Last two scum probably includes Dante.

This helps too. RC as scum probably wouldn't know about MIT as traitor, so hitting 2/3 scum with his dying scumlist and tunneling on town even though he'd have to be willing to bus with a scumlist like this makes him look great.

[Luna Lovegood]

The following deaths happened during night 6:


BBmolla,

Naive Non-com Neighbour

, Naive Cop Neighbour,

Nice

You are a

Naive Non-com Neighbour

(in other words: a

Naive Cop Neighbour

)

.
This means that you can investigate one player at night to try and learn of their guilt or innocence. As you are Naive, the result will always be innocent.

This is probably the best evidence of molla town there is.

[Luna Lovegood]

Mac feels really good.

[Luna Lovegood]

And I guess this doesn't matter much, but I want this for the sake of the comeback kid glory:

Vote: Peacebringer

[Luna Lovegood]

I believe.

[Luna Lovegood]

Getting fruit the day after we killed peregrine was the saltiest feeling in the world.

[Luna Lovegood]

Like we faked an excellent peace bringer fake post and PV was totally gonna shoot him but then he wasn't a vig and I didn't want to continue being fake pb because I figured his reactions would be too genuine to handle

[Luna Lovegood]

Vote: mnemonicdevice

the stars tell me that this vote is a good one
they also probably have paranoid niggles on peregrinev but they do know that giving him an extra day probably is best, considering roleblocker if scum will be completely trapped on peregrine
mem is not a star child and is not town by the feeling of my early bones either, so she's doubly a good vote for now.

Here was my necromancer crumb, was gonna claim it was a Nero scumread or some shit like that

[Luna Lovegood]

Ooba was seriously a great scumbuddy, and mitillos claim was fucking impressive and made me think he was town as shit

[Luna Lovegood]

Until I remembered traitor crumb

[Luna Lovegood]

Everything going to shit D4 and me reflexively bussing all of my buddies was kind of funny tbh

[Luna Lovegood]

Once the town woke up, we were pretty much sitting ducks

[Luna Lovegood]

@Luna: T'was a good catchup post, the original one. My initial response was to post this:

Spoiler:

Mostly because my initial response was, in exactly the tone of that clip, "It's a dick."

Otherwise, I like the fervor that you bring on Dante, dunno how I feel about how you skip around some of the other slots. Honestly, feels like town play from you, but I am really bad at reading you.

I'm really bad at reading people in general. S'why scum is fun. VT's fun, too, because I don't have any responsibility and can fly off the rails a bit, but yeah.

Mitillos isn't scum.
PB probably is.

If one of Rail Tracer, BBmolla, and PeaceBringer aren't scum, then I'll buy you a pizza.

I think Ooba's scummy, but not nearly as much as Dante.

Dante's the scum to off today.

You owe me a pizza and I owe you a pizza, Varsoon.

[Luna Lovegood]

NACHO ABUSED THE BELIEVING SYSTEM, ITS NOT FAIR

IM NEVER GOING TO BELIEVE AGAIN