Newbie 320 - Berry Village Mafia V (Game Over!)

[Peter Venkman]

/Confirm

[Peter Venkman]

Copy and paste, the scummyest tell of 'em all!

[Peter Venkman]

I've been checking this thread three or four time a day and my refresh buttion is getting worn down, has Rainy been prodded?

[Peter Venkman]

Hi everyone! This is my first

ever

Mafia game. In fact, just a few weeks ago I didn't know it existed. I heard about the phenomenon on another message board and felt I had to get in on this psychological drama.

Don't worry though, I've been reading through old games and feel I have a decent grasp on the mechanics.

However, picking out scum? Wow. I sincerely hope my head doesn't explode...

The obligatory random vote:

Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum

[Peter Venkman]

Cogito Ergo Sum

wrote:

Venkman, switch over to Caddock

Woah, why?!

I threw my vote at you because you are the most veteran player of the bunch. I figured you would understand how meaningless the initial vote is. Why so defensive so early on?

I'm not ready to put two votes on ANYONE, especially before they have spoken.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Thanks Cogito for explaining the quote mechanism, it's slightly different than another message board and I couldn't figure out how to get it to work.

Before I do anything with my vote, I would like to ask you a question. Would you feel comfortable, at this point in the game, having the two "pressure" votes on you?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Cogito> I honestly don't know how to feel about you. Your defensive attitude seems out of place for a veteran, especially after you assert how worrying about getting lynched is not part of your style.

Nocmen> You put the second vote of Cogito, and we havn't even heard from over half the players. For those reading through the thread there is the perfect opportunity to judge Cogito, without anyone else even offering post content of their own. Often times the biggest tells come from players defending themselves.

Plus, I feel a slower game benefits the town, and jumping to conclusions here isn't the way.

I'm going to cut back on posting until we hear from more players. In addition:

Unvote: Cogito Ergo Sum

so we don't give lazy players and scum an easy target.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Welcome to the party Eldarion!

Any reason for your vote, or you just want to see me dance?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Eldarion> Thanks for explaining. I don't like votes that don't have content with them.

For your entertainment, I will tap dance to the tune of "She's a Maniac."

Enjoy!

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

It could very well be that in his (Cogito Ergo Sum) defensive play he's trying to fit in with newbies

I noticed this and completely agree with you. CES does appear to be trying to fit in. However, we came to different conclusions.

In this game there are only two people who have any motivation to pretend to be something they are not. Who would benefit from sliding under the radar as a newbie, scum or town?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Eldarion> I assume your answer is, lynched? I don't understand your point here, or why you are asking me the question about his behavior.

I'll admit, my suspicion about CES is more of a hunch than a solid accusation. So far, among the people who have responded, his play doesn't make sense to me.

Do you completely disagree?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Eldarion> I understand your point about it being contradictory now.

What are your feelings on CES and Nocmen?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Welcome to the party Remu!

Ok, I won't sign my posts anymore. Like I said, I come from another message board (non Mafia) where that is pretty standard.

It does feel pretty naked though, like I'm leaving something incomplete... arrrgh...

[Peter Venkman]

Eldarion> Of course you may call me Peter =) ..and scrutiny is the name of the game right? You wouldn't be acting very town if you

didn't

scrutinize everyone.

I think this has been enough action for me today. It's late and I'm tired. I won't be around a whole lot tomarrow, but i'll be certain to make a few posts.

I'd really like to hear from the rest of the players too.

Goodnight everyone!

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Green> I'm not sure Remu's actions are a tell. I jumped on CES for being defensive, yet it's been brought up by a few of you that

everyone

is going to be defensive. I think Remu's behavior is more in line with the "First vote is a joke vote" and that fits with the lighthearted accusations that were being thrown out

before the game even started

.

CES

has been absent since I put the heat on him. I'm curious if this is because of real life commitment, or because he felt his own defense was only making things worse and he wanted to lie low.

Nocmen

has also departed from the thread for a little while. His posts were a little unfocused, but at this point i'm not willing to cry scum over that.

Greenliquid

you appear to be slow and steady in your posting. At this point i'm neutral about you, as I don't think we've had enough time to learn your true standing.

Eldarion

has also been a steady poster to this thread and appears to be approaching the outing of scum in a fairly straightforward and logical manner. I don't like his vote hopping at this point, but again, it's too early to tell.

I would really, really like to hear from

Caddock

. In my oppinion, he should read the thread, give us his feelings on people, and perhaps provide a second "pressure" vote to get things moving. Remember, he will be the last player to join the game, and at this point we aren't exactly in "wild guess" mode.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

CES

> Yeah me too, with another + work.

Care to share your thoughts on the other players CES? Aside from your defense and sharing strategy, you havn't done much analysis.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Eldarion> I hadn't given that "pre-game" vote much serious consideration, like I mentioned a post or two ago, I thought it was a joke.

You are right though,

CES

had his role, and could very well have been setting the stage for himself.

Or he was joking.

I

do

think it is interesting that after I called

CES

out for lurking he posted within a half hour about how he wasn't lurking, yet he didn't actually reply to any of the questions posed to him. Posts without content = a subtle form of lurking that a veteran might use.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Green> at the begining of the post you quote, I felt I specificly backed off my previous acusation of CES being defensive. Maybe that wasn't clear.

I agree with you that attacking someone in one's own

defensive

post is a good indication of nerviousness.

I'm still waiting for the last player to show up and contribute before I vote again. I think a fresh perspective will help.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Nocmen> I'm still assuming the Caddock hasn't realize the game has started. Until we can determine he is deliberately not posting, we have

nothing

to go on about him.

Blackberry

is it too early for a prod?

CES> We simul-posted earlier, I just noticed it. You didn't emerge after me calling you out, in fact, you beat me here. My FOS is off you.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Remu> Will you share with us this information? Or at least cast a vote?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Seriously?? We might not make the same connections as you Remu, as we all read motivation differently. I saw something in

CES

that aparently no-one else sees. Through some good dicussion over our interpretations we learned a lot about everyone.

Sitting on information isn't pro-town. I'm unleashing my saved vote for you.

Vote: Remussaidow

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Wow,

now

we have something to talk about!

CES

You were the third vote on Remu. About 50 minutes passed, than you retracted your vote. From what I can tell from your retraction post, you might not have realized you were the third vote, and are not ready to lynch. You are asking us to really put faith in you, and I don't like such blatent mistakes from a veteran player as yourself.

However, your weird behavior isn't nearly as important as the Big question on my mind. Why wasn't Remu lynched?? As far as I can tell, this gives us a few scenariios to work with.

1) One of the three people [GreenLiquid, Peter Venkman, Cogito Ergo Sum] who voted for Remu is scum. And Remu is scum.

2) One of the three people who voted for Remu is scum, and scum #2 missed his window, didn't want to hammer to draw suspicion, or is not playing (Caddock).

3) None of the voters are scum, Remu is scum, and scum #2 didn't want to hammer his partner.

4) Two of the voters are scum and no town took the bait.

Each of these scenarios is a lot to mull over. I'm carefully considering their full implications, and would ask each of you to do the same. Which of these situations do you feel is most likely?

I'm getting less and less sure about Caddock being unaware the game is going on. If Blackberry is not going to prod Caddock we have no evidence that he is unaware of the thread. He

did

confirm. I'm begining to think this is deliberate.

I really, really didn't want to attack someone who isn't aware the game is going on. I was excited to play my first game of mafia, and I'd be upset if I was lynched before I even got a chance to post. However, because Blackberry is not going to prod Caddock, I feel the only tool we have at confirming his status is pressure.

Unvote Remussaidow. Vote Caddock

I still suspect

Remu

, but leaving my vote on him is meaningless. If he didn't get lynched earlier today, than something is amiss. I'm doing like

CES

recomended, and using the power of my vote to it's fullest.

And

CES

I havn't forgotten your goofyness. Please, tighten up your play.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Good find Remu. That makes my vote meaningless.

Hopefully I won't be accused for waffling now.

Unvote Caddock

Remu, I see you are still up. Care to share your thoughts on today's events?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Remu> You were at -1 to lynch for about 5 hours total today.

I left for work a little after I put the second vote on you, and checked this thread as soon as I got home.

Also, don't think that

CES

did you any favors by removing his vote. He put you at -1 to lynch for

absolutely no given reason

, than backed out when no-one bit. Right now he is asking us to beleive that this was a mistake.

Why do you beleive him?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

(sorry about the name thing, i'll be sure to call you Remus from here out)

[Peter Venkman]

CES

> You appear to be pointing at

only

scum hammering after your third vote. Town could have easily done it, and day 2 would have been just as confusing.

You are playing like scum right now. Scum would drop a third vote hoping for a lazy townie to hammer. Than, Day2, would have said something similar to what you just said. We blame the hammer, mislynch, than scum wins.

I asked you to tighten up your play and you still post half the story. You are still asking us to take your third vote on faith as a "mistake."

Your are my number one suspect right now.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Nocmen> I am trying to make mental "scum pairs" of players too. However, I disagree with your CES/Remu combo. It would be just plain stupid for CES to try to distance himself from his scum partner this early by

nearly

lynching him.

I could see that tactic working end-game in 20+ Mafia situation, but here it would be a bad move.

If CES is scum, I felt his partner would most likely be the AFK Caddock.

Green & Eldarion> I appreciate you using FoS's at this point. We are down to only six players and if Caddock is not scum this statisticly puts Town at a serious disadvantage. We really, really need to wait until Player #7 arrives before more action is taken.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Now a Ranger> Welcome to the game! I'm glad the whole crew is finially gathered...

Have you read the whole thread yet? Like Remus said, we are a little past the random voting stage. There is a good deal of posting material from each player to analyize.

Being that you are last to the party, you have a nice clean slate, and probobly don't appear suspicious to anyone.

I'd like your oppinion on why Remus wasn't hammered when he had three votes on him.

...a theory of mine is that CES is scum, and you are scum #2. Remus wasn't hammered because you weren't playing yet.

I understand that you will feel defensive about this, and I learned earlier this game that it's hard not to get emotional when someone FoS's you. Please, respond to my accusation, but remember it's currently just a theory. I'm not kicking your dog or anything, or even

voting

on you.

Finially, I completely disagree that this game is about luck. I've read through enough threads to see that good logical play can win it for town. Town only has one motivation, wheras scum has two contradictory motivations. Scum tells appear because it is impossible to play both sides without betraying yourself somewhere.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Hey everyone> Over the next four days my computer access will be limited. I'll be certain to post

at least

once a day.

Now a Ranger> You say CES avoided a direct question from me, and this is a scum tell. Do you realize you just did the same thing?

You point at CES, but remember, if CES turns out scum, by my logic outlined earlier I beleive you are scum no. 2. If CES turns out Town, everyong voting for him is going to look pretty stupid.

Care to give us a different explindation as to why you are not scum no 2? Using the logic that Remus didn't get hammered because scum was AFK implicates yourself.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

...and if your mother rises from the grave, who you gonna call?

[Peter Venkman]

I agree with CES. At this point in the game, we all presume each other claim town. Stating that is meaningless and suspicous.

I still retain my FoS on

CES

,

Remu

, and i'll add

Now a Ranger

.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Hi everyone, I'm back to regular computer usage!

Suprisingly, not a whole lot has happened over the past four days.

Now a Ranger

emerged as our final player and promptly claimed town.

CES

appears to be back doing his "let

me

tell you who to vote for" that irritated me so much in the begining.

Greenliquid

indicates he wants to put pressure on CES and Remu yet doesn't switch his vote (remember, Remu didn't get lynched allready when he was at -1 to lynch).

Eldarion

triple posts his philosophy on finding scum.

Nocment

FoS's Now a Ranger but doesn't add much more.

Remussaidow

fingers CES.

I am curious why

Remus

and

Greenliquid

don't just cast their votes on CES. Are you trying to distance yourselves from a mislynch only you two know about?

I am also curious why

Cogito Ergo Sum

isn't casting a vote on anyone, yet is pressuring others to do so. CES claimed he likes to use the power of his vote to the fullest, yet suspiciously isn't.

Finially, i'm disapointed in

Now a Ranger

. A person joining a game this late has a unique opportunity to asses each player objectively and give a summary. He completely blew that chance with some really crappy play.

I'll be checking this thread more often now, so please respond to my commentary. Did I miss anything? Am I completely off base with my summary?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Now a Ranger

>

My last statement about you was a little harsh. I am sorry. I have seen mafia games get heated, but calling another person's play "crappy" is completely uncalled for. I sincerely feel bad, and understand my mistake.

In addition, it was wrong of me to ask you to do anything. Your play is your own, and while I think it would have benefitted the town to hear a new perspective, I should not be telling other players what to do.

Finially, I feel bad that my statement appears to have pushed you to throw your hands in the air and say the mafia equivalent of "I quit!"

Remember,

everyone

on the town side wins when both mafia are caught. During normal play, it is almost a guarantee that a mislynch will occur. Part of playing this game as town is making sure that your team will benefit from your possible death. Your team-mates will re-read your previous posts and observe your voting pattern, knowing you are confirmed with a role.

Again, I am sorry for my harsh language.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Peter, read my entire post. It's the negligible pinky of suspicious, it doesn't count.

Oh. Um.

It appears I'm not exactly batting 100% tonight. Can you understand that I might confuse a negligible pinky with a finger??

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Nocmen

>

I looked over the last page again and it appears your vote was on

CES

. Why did you unvote him?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Now a Ranger

>

One of us? That player might have apologized too.

Your display of "real controversial" play has done nothing for the town. Please stop meta-gaming and give us some serious content.

For example: it is helpful if you type something along the lines of FoS: X for reason Y.

Your use of "all of you" isn't really clear. Only two people actually voted for you, which is a small minority. The rest of us were turned off by your disregard for taking the game seriously.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Now a Ranger

>

Unvote yourself NOW. You have put yourself in a quicklynch position and this is not a good move. You aren't playing pro-town, and are doing a great job of confusing everyone.

Nothing you have done so far makes sense to me. Please explain how your tactics are helping the town.

Remember, claiming

anything

requires that people have a reason to beleive you. During round one, it is expected that all seven players claim town, actually doing so is redundant.

Also, put yourself in the position of others. If

Remus

claimed on his mother's grave that he was town, would you beleive him?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

...and?

You were freaking out earlier about being at two votes. You have three on you (one of which you can change) and you don't care??

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

...or you are scum and your partner doesn't want to hammer you. And the rest of us are too damn confused by your play to make up our minds...

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Peter Venkman- Playing the voice of reason. Acting town, but anyone playing that role is suspect just because it is frequently used as a scum cover.

I appreciate the compliment. I

am

trying to approach this game as straightforward and logical as I can. This is my first game, but I've read through enough threads on this board to know that town's only chance is through extended conversation.

Using this point as a "scum tell" feels like it really undercuts town's only tool for sniffing out scum. If no-one provided a voice of reason this game might have veered into wacky land a few pages ago...

I mentioned it earlier, but I'll say it again. Town players have one motivation, whereas Scum players have two conflicting motivations. Through discussion and voting we can determine if a player is representing one interest or two.

I beleive the game can be won through logic. In fact, I wouldn't be playing otherwise. I thought others felt the same way, and that is why we are here on a message board, rather than tossing dice in the closet.

Greenliquid

> You are a veteran player. In fact, you've run a few games. In your experience, what is the best way to sniff out scum?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Getting to night would definitely benefit me.

I am using every ounce of self restraint to keep my post civil. This is about the 10th rewrite.

I hope to never, ever, play with you again.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

I'm not saying that the voice of reason is scummy in and of itself, but rather it is commonly used as a scum cover-up. If played cleverly, the scum can avoid throwing out any suspicions and leaving any traceable record, but still look very pro-town. The voice of reason is sometimes town though, and the way you're playing it suggests a townie at the helm.

Good point. My posts certainly have been "voice of reason" the past few pages. But if you'll notice, I did ride CES and Remus pretty hard in the begining. The past few days not much has happened other than fending off some serious insane play. I've just been trying to keep us on track.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

One should not lynch solely on the basis of a person's logic, since even town can make logical errors. You want to also look at suspicious behavior. Voting records, tells, and style of play can tell a lot about of person's alignment.

True. The point I was trying to make is that this game is not one of luck. We are talking about the same thing in different ways =)

In my oppinion, nothing much has happened in the past few days. In addressing

Now a Ranger

's posts we have all gotten distracted by the clown. Hopefully we can get back on track now.

I have thought

CES

to be scum this whole game. His actions aren't consistant with what he says. He is basically lurking, as his posts don't ever have much content. He doesn't appear to be interested in actually finding scum.

Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Are you asking because you can't figure it out yourself? Your demonstration of no knowledge about how this game works leads me to that conclusion...

First, after any player is lynched we analyze his posts with the new knowledge of the role reveal. If he is scum, look for suspicious interactions with the other players. If he is town, you can trust that his logic was meant to out scum, rather than distract.

Second, we examine the voting players. Were any votes placed with little reason? Who didn't vote on that player? why? ...and so on.

The "can a mafia kill mafia" question leads me to beleive you have no clue what is going on. Would you please read some of the other threads, maybe a FAQ, than get back to us?

If you are so suspicious of Remus, why did you vote for

CES

? You sure do love bandwagoning.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

<sigh>

During the Day phase,

anyone

can be lynched.

During the Night phase, the scum players decide who to kill.

You appear to have a lot of time on your hands right now (you keep responding to my posts). I would suggest you use that time to read through a few finished games. I would skp past the first page where roles have been revealed, and try to "guess" each person's role. It can be fun!

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Thanks for the compliment CES. Forgive the following, as it isn't personal.

CES

> You are lurking to the extreme. Way to pop in, not respond to your accusation, not add any new content, and try to subtly discredit me by calling me "paranoid." My votes have been few and far between, and quite focused.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Woooah, lookit

Now a Ranger

go!

Ranger

> You are demonstrating more understanding of this game than I ever gave you credit for. That coupled with your claim of having read a few other games leads me to beleive you have been deliberately distracting with your antics.

Unvote CES. Vote Now a Ranger

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

I'm dead. Hah big mistake peter.

You left us with nothing. Worse off than before. You were at three votes and I didn't hammer. You unvoted yourself, than I put you at three, hoping that if you were town we weould at least learn something from the hammer.

Way to mess that up too.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

C.E.S.

There isn't a need to

rush

things. However, there

is

a need to discuss the

people

.

I suggest we use

FoS

heavily rather than an actually vote. As players, we should act as though, at this point, a

FoS

is as serious an accusation as a vote.

If three players put a

FoS

on a single given player, we can than discuss, as a town, if a lynch is appropriate.

Hopefully that will spark discussion.

Currently i'm trying to decide if the long night meant anything. Eldarion has been almost lurking, as if he doesn't check the thread often. Are the two related?

FoS

Eldarion.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

CES

at this point in the game, if you're going to throw out accusations, will you please back them up with something? You just accused 3 of the 5 players...

I didn't say it after your first post, but you've added NO content to this game, at all. You are playing the role I was earlier accused of, the "voice of reason."

You claim to "use the power of your vote to the fullest" yet you havn't demonstrated that ONCE this game. You have sat on the sidelines and prodded other players to make a move.

You make the first day 2 post an immediate "this is how reasonable people should play, yet i'm not going to cast suspcion on anyone and therefor myself."

Why are you so afraid to take a stance?!

My

FoS

has been on you this entire game. I regret the distraction of the worthless

Now a Ranger

. I notice now, that you sat on the sidelines while he gathered suspicion.

Greenliquid died, and he was the one who breadcrumbed the voice of reason hint. Perhaps you realized his focus would turn to you.

Care to defend those you fingered? Care to defend yourself?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

CES

> I re-read my post and realized it could be read with an angry tone. I'm sorry, and didn't mean it that way. If you can't tell, I'm really into this game. I really want to win and am upset by the mislynch.

I just want day 2 to make more sense than day 1. Please,

everyone

, if you are going to accuse someone, give us a REASON.

I think posts without content are suspicious.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Are you tired now?

[Peter Venkman]

What type of question is that?

Just prodding CES. Looks like it worked.

CES> I'm with you on the "large pool of suspects." However, you could have said that instead of your blanket accusation.

At this point, I've cast suspicion on every single player too.

I'm interested in hearing from Remus and

especially

Eldarion.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

...glad to see the three of us are refreshing this thread like crazy.

I felt the post above my "are you tired now?" post was once again contentless.

CES

responded with some actual game analysis.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Remus

> You make a good point, I hadn't thought about it earlier but yeah, Green was one of the only two IC's, and could have really helped here.

I think that makes this quote a little more telling:

GreenLiquid was the actually the only one who really knows my playstyle in this game and who, as such, did not find me really suspicious, apart from the accidental third vote.

Way to use meta-gaming and a player who cannot speak in your defense. Green cannot validate nor invalidate that statement.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

I saw no indication that he cleared you while he was alive. Why do you insist on putting words into a dead man's mouth?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

He did specificly finger youhere. It was however, "small".

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

I assume you won't take it personal than

CES

. I havn't had the luxury of playing with you, nor read many of the games you've participated in. I've mostly read Newbie games so I could get a better grasp of what's going on here.

Until we hear from Eldarion we are talking ourselves in circles. I know it's only been about 24 hours since the thread re-opened, but could we get a prod?

-Peter

P.S. Saturday I spend the majority of the day in the field. I will not have internet access, and thus will not be able to post. I will read the thread late in the evening and respond if there are any new events.

[Peter Venkman]

Eldarion, you win the prize for "longest post in game #320."

Thank you for that huge rundown. My FoS was poor logic, I just wanted your reaction.

As for...

Peter Venkman: The only thing suspicious about him is that he doesn't really make mistakes.

I don't know how to react. Thanks? I admit I havn't been feeling this way, that whole ordeal with Ranger left me thinking that my approach to this game might be seriously flawed.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

C.E.S.

I assume you mean

Remussaidow

??

Individually I might agree with you, but I havn't seen evidence of a

pair

.

C.E.S.

Your day 2 "strategy" appears to be one of gathering trust. You make the first day 2 post a very neutral "this is the best way to play" post. You follow it up with some more non-comments, and until my serious prod you really avoid any in-game analysis. You blanket accuse

everyone

to "blend in" with the rest of us confused townies. Now you are narrowing it down by what appears to be a completely arbitrary process. Remember, if you don't say

why

at this point in the game, you aren't helping.

Right now, the scum players have a lot more information than the town. If things don't appear to be proceeding well for them, it makes sense one would give the other up in an attempt to have an easy win for day 3.

It is no secret that I have felt you are scum this whole game. I suspect if we did end up lynching one of those two it would have turned out to be the right one, thus anchoring faith in you.

I would feel comfortable casting my vote on you, than following it up on whichever of those two players are still alive in day 3.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Hmn... I was sorta wondering why I lived to see day 2. I figure I was the most likely target, and you've confirmed that.

My best guess: the scum players didn't want to gamble with the presence of a doctor. Picking the no2 candidate has a better chance of getting a kill.

I admit, this is a WIFOM argument. However, pointing to me still being alive isn't a compelling argument for your innocence.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

scum players didn't want to gamble with the presence of a doctor

I was just hypothesising who and why the scum would nightkill if they were concerned about a doctor. A classic

wine in front of me

or WIFOM situation for the scum. Do they kill the obvious target in hopes that there is no doctor, or do they go for their no2 choice? Would the doctor protect the obvious target, or go with his no2 choice?

CES

was attempting to clear his name by using the fact that I am still alive as his defense. I do not think this is a good argument.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Considering your suspicion of me, GreenLiquid was the most logical nightkill for the real scum group.

If I read this right you are saying:

If

CES

is scum, his obvious night choice would be

Peter Venkman

.

If

Anyone Else

is scum, his obvious night choice would be

Greenliquid

.

Peter Venkman

is alive, therfor

CES

is not scum.

I am saying that

Scum

might not

have gone with the obvious choice if they were concerned a doctor

might

be present. Thus,

CES

cannot claim that since

Peter Venkman

is alive,

CES

is not scum.

I'm just completing

CES

's bad WIFOM argument. The person who is nightkilled

DOES NOT

clear

ANYONE

from suspicion.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Ahahaha... touche!

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

since Peter just ran with your first statement

I guess I did. I was really just trying for clarity, as

Nocmen

read something else from my post.

No reason for a WIFOM discussion? Sorry, I guess I thought we were in the newbie game section...

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Okayyy...

I don't know where you're going with this. I'm not defending his WIFOM, in fact, I was the first person to bring attention to it. Maybe you need to re-read my posts?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Gotcha, sorry, just this felt like you were lumping me in with CES.

Peter and CES, CES especially, since Peter just ran with your first statement, there really is no good reason for a WIFOM discussion there. At all.

Sorry. Do you see where I might get mistaken?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Well now we are back where we started from...

Eldarion

, got time for another big post? =)

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Oh wow, good job simulpost...

[Peter Venkman]

Well, Remus behavior has me befuddled, and i'm not sure what Nocment was doing with the fishing expedition.

I sincerely beleive that

CES

doesn't like me. It's sort of funny, the other message board I spend a lot of time at has explicit rules

against

wishing death upon another person. Here it is all we do! It is taking some getting used to.

Eldarion, at this time, who is your no1 suspect?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Looks like we need to hear from

Remus

again...

I'm sitting on the fence between

CES

and

Remus

, both are equally good choices in my mind.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Interesting.

Remus

really

needs to respond now.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

...and now it would be nice to hear from

CES

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Well, we have evidence that everyone has seen the thread since

Nocmen

placed his vote.

No lynch occured.

Cogito Ergo Sum

for the first time this game, I actually

agree

with you.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

CES

Why does that suprise you? I've ridden your ass this whole game based on weak logical assumptions. Don't take that as an admittance of error: until now

all

we've had are weak assumptions.

I still suspect you, but that suspicion has been superceded by the more pressing matter.

I also remember how you dealt with Remus being at -1 to lynch.

This type of discussion is what day 1 should have looked like.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

...since my post wasn't incredibly clear...

I agree with you that it is highly likely

Remus

or

Nocmen

are scum.

I don't agree that they are the most likely scum pair.

This game started off with you and Remus exchanging suspicion for absolutely no reason. You put Remus to -1 to lynch, than

immediately

backed off. Why? You never clearly said, rather, implied it was because you didn't notice or didn't want a lynch that early. Was this an early distancing tactic? I suppose it makes sense to do so that early in the game when the stakes are pretty low. On the off chance Remus

had

been lynched and revealed, it would have certainly inflated our confidence in you.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Did you read the rest of my post, or just fall out of your chair when you read the little bit you quoted? Earlier this game you accused me of poor quote usage, now you're doing it yourself.

In addition, why are you distracting us with non-arguments? Of all the things you could be talking about right now, you choose to nitpick me arriving at a fairly obvious conclusion that

you also arrived at

.

If you had read my entire post, you would still see I have a heavy FoS on you. However, I feel it is more important to analyise the first day 2 vote and lack of lynch.

Would you like to

actually help

the town

once

this game? Would you like to maybe analyise some posts? Give us your oppinion? List your suspects?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Thanks for the reply

CES

.

It can be determined that one or both

Nocmen

and

Remus

are scum.

If you think BOTH

Remus

and

Nocmen

are scum, why didn't you vote for Remus?

Your lack of vote further validates my theory that you and

Remus

are the most likely scum pair.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Oddly CES, that is the same reason I'm not voting for you.

Why are you even

considering

CES right now? If you were town, it would be incredibly clear who to vote for.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

I tried to reply earlier today but the forum had crashed. Looks like CES and Eldarion took care of addressing the poor logic of Remus, but since i've been directly addressed...

You and I are in different situations. It is

NOT

clear to

me

who is scum. However, i'm not in your position. You know your role, and if you are town, you now know Nocmen's role.

Your refusal to understand this point is incrediby scummy.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

<sigh>

If you were actually town, you, and you alone, would have proof posative that

Nocmen

is scum. You would be one hundred percent certain, without a doubt. You would cast your vote on him instantly, and rally the town to do the same.

What else am I to make of you ignoring the logic that has been thrice pointed out?

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

I'm so glad you finially stopped by Eldarion, I was begining to think I was insane.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Remus

would you like to add anything further? I'm about ready to cast my vote on you. If you are town, you should be concerned...

I'll be checking back here periodically tonight. Please respond ASAP.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Vote Remus

[Peter Venkman]

Good game fellahs.

This was my first mafia game ever. I was honestly dissapointed to be scum. I'd been reading these forums for weeks trying to get an idea how to oust scum. I feel kind of like a creep, and honestly a little bad that I betrayed the trust of you guys.

I was fairly conflicted this whole game.

CES

I'm

really

sorry about how I treated you. I figured our best shot was at immediately discrediting the ICs, and I focused primarily on you. I felt that maintaining an agressive stance would allow scum to control the whole game, and I think for the most part we did....

I was so incredibly pissed when

Now a Ranger

came in and made a mess of things. I was hoping for a clean scum victory, and Ranger pretty much screwed the town over. He cheapened the victory for me.

The night 1 kill was a toss up between Green and Eldarion, however, I wanted the IC out of the picture again. Nocmen agreed.

Day 2 was just a waiting game. I'm suprised Nocmen voted first... I had to scramble to try and recover. I wasn't sure how that was going to go down, if Nocmen died, my day 3 presence would have been incredibly conspicious.

In all, good game. Eldarion, i feel you played an incredibly level headed townie and if there were "Best Player in Mini Game 320 awards" I would give you the trophy.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Thanks mate.

I honestly couldn't bring myself to attack you. I figured I was doing enough lying to the town, I didn't want to betray

another

person. I tried to put a few digs into you, but never really unleashed like I had been against Remus and CES. I kept my fingers crossed no one else noticed this particular absense. I tried to balance this out with nice talk to Eldarion too, just in case I was lynched, It would look like I was protecting Eldarion.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Ahhh, okay, I was wondering what you were up to Nocmen. It was a risker move than I would have done, but it worked out for us!

So yeah, were there any roles other than scum?

If Nocmen got lynched I was considering doing a no night kill, than claim doctor and that I protected Eldarion. That would have been a bit of a gamble too though...

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

Oh I got home from work, logged on and saw CES's vote, and dropped the hint that I would be checking the thread to hammer. Your vote post was nearly at the exact same instant, and I missed it. I took a shower and made dinner, not expecting you to see it that soon.

I am enjoying the April fools Tiger trick. It looks like they are taking pictures of "tiger" from the google image search. Kinda makes me want to toss a bunch of random pictures up with "tiger" in the name... heh heh...

-Peter