Newbie 320 - Berry Village Mafia V (Game Over!)

[Peter Venkman]

CES

Why does that suprise you? I've ridden your ass this whole game based on weak logical assumptions. Don't take that as an admittance of error: until now

all

we've had are weak assumptions.

I still suspect you, but that suspicion has been superceded by the more pressing matter.

I also remember how you dealt with Remus being at -1 to lynch.

This type of discussion is what day 1 should have looked like.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

...since my post wasn't incredibly clear...

I agree with you that it is highly likely

Remus

or

Nocmen

are scum.

I don't agree that they are the most likely scum pair.

This game started off with you and Remus exchanging suspicion for absolutely no reason. You put Remus to -1 to lynch, than

immediately

backed off. Why? You never clearly said, rather, implied it was because you didn't notice or didn't want a lynch that early. Was this an early distancing tactic? I suppose it makes sense to do so that early in the game when the stakes are pretty low. On the off chance Remus

had

been lynched and revealed, it would have certainly inflated our confidence in you.

-Peter

[remussaidow]

eldarion, please point me to your accusation, I don't know where it is.

[Eldarion]

eldarion, please point me to your accusation, I don't know where it is.

Post 285, read the whole thing; extract below.

I don't think remus' behaviour on page 3 has been adequately dealt with. There was a lot on that page that made me really think that he was scum. It hasn't really been shown that what he was doing was newbie (he has game experience prior to this) or that it was viable pro-town action...

[remussaidow]

the information is written plainly on the thread, for it is not my response that I am looking for but everyone elses.

My vote is already cast. It will stay cast until someone acts scummy enough to remove it and place a vote upon them.

I assume that you are basically talking about this post?

I have no defense for it. It shouldn't require defense. Stating something, and then gleaning information out of the posted reactions, shouldn't be scummy. Saying that I was using information that was plainly in the thread shouldn't be scummy. That's basically why I don't think that your attacks are well founded.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Why does that suprise you?

It just seems a bit sudden.

[Peter Venkman]

Did you read the rest of my post, or just fall out of your chair when you read the little bit you quoted? Earlier this game you accused me of poor quote usage, now you're doing it yourself.

In addition, why are you distracting us with non-arguments? Of all the things you could be talking about right now, you choose to nitpick me arriving at a fairly obvious conclusion that

you also arrived at

.

If you had read my entire post, you would still see I have a heavy FoS on you. However, I feel it is more important to analyise the first day 2 vote and lack of lynch.

Would you like to

actually help

the town

once

this game? Would you like to maybe analyise some posts? Give us your oppinion? List your suspects?

-Peter

[Nocmen]

You know, I feel really stupid for trusting CES earlier. To be honest, its gone down to a toss up between Remus and CES, and hell, im even leaning towards CES now.

Unvote

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Got your hand caught in the cookie jar, Nocmen?

In addition, why are you distracting us with non-arguments? Of all the things you could be talking about right now, you choose to nitpick me arriving at a fairly obvious conclusion that you also arrived at.

I have no problem with your suspicion of Remus, I just found it surprising.

If you had read my entire post, you would still see I have a heavy FoS on you. However, I feel it is more important to analyise the first day 2 vote and lack of lynch.

Well, it is more important. That doesn't mean it didn't constitute a major shift in your thinking.

Would you like to actually help the town once this game? Would you like to maybe analyise some posts? Give us your oppinion? List your suspects?

My suspects, as I already stated, are currently Romulus and Nocmen. Which post(s) would you like analysed? If you insist, I'll take a shot at it.

[Peter Venkman]

Thanks for the reply

CES

.

It can be determined that one or both

Nocmen

and

Remus

are scum.

If you think BOTH

Remus

and

Nocmen

are scum, why didn't you vote for Remus?

Your lack of vote further validates my theory that you and

Remus

are the most likely scum pair.

-Peter

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I didn't vote for Romulus because there's no need to rush things. I'm going to take my time and try to eliminate as much uncertainty as possible.

[remussaidow]

Oddly CES, that is the same reason I'm not voting for you.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

And why aren't you considering voting for Nocmen? The lack of quicklynch should be pretty damning from your perspective.

[Peter Venkman]

Oddly CES, that is the same reason I'm not voting for you.

Why are you even

considering

CES right now? If you were town, it would be incredibly clear who to vote for.

-Peter

[remussaidow]

theres only two people in the game who currently can know who clearly to vote for. and only one person who shouldn't consider voting for CES.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I have no idea where that comes from. At least one of you and Nocmen is scum. Voting for me at this point is illogical.

[Eldarion]

theres only two people in the game who currently can know who clearly to vote for. and only one person who shouldn't consider voting for CES.

That is logically fallacious in so many ways I don't even know where to begin; begging the question, bifurcation, this statement has got 'em all.

[remussaidow]

No, Eldarion, it doesn't do any of those. Try reading my posts. Actually reading it. There are two scums. They vote for whoever whoever gets a townie vote on him. That's pretty clear right there. Only one person shouldn't be considering voting CES. CES himself, since only he and (possibly his scum partner {who, should he exist, should consider voting CES should it come down to that, but thats beside the point}). There is no logical fallacy in simple truths, sorry.


Now, Peter. I should have addressed this before, except I hadn't quite realized what you were saying. If it should be clear who the town should be voting for, are you voting?
I do not believe so.

[Peter Venkman]

I tried to reply earlier today but the forum had crashed. Looks like CES and Eldarion took care of addressing the poor logic of Remus, but since i've been directly addressed...

You and I are in different situations. It is

NOT

clear to

me

who is scum. However, i'm not in your position. You know your role, and if you are town, you now know Nocmen's role.

Your refusal to understand this point is incrediby scummy.

-Peter

[remussaidow]

No, the point you're trying to make is assuming that I'm scum. Since I'm NOT, your point is not valid.

[Peter Venkman]

<sigh>

If you were actually town, you, and you alone, would have proof posative that

Nocmen

is scum. You would be one hundred percent certain, without a doubt. You would cast your vote on him instantly, and rally the town to do the same.

What else am I to make of you ignoring the logic that has been thrice pointed out?

-Peter

[remussaidow]

How do I know that that is truthful?

Maybe the scum both know that almost everytime that a second vote in this situation is placed, that person is usually scum.

Or maybe I do know that he is scum. And I'm now trying to figure out who his partner is, because his successful lynch today still leaves the town in a lynch or lose. Stop to consider the whole game, not just the long run.

[remussaidow]

not just the short game*

not long run.

[Eldarion]

You know, I feel really stupid for trusting CES earlier. To be honest, its gone down to a toss up between Remus and CES, and hell, im even leaning towards CES now.

[EDIT- I like editing out votes and unvotes, feels safer]

Oddly CES, that is the same reason I'm not voting for you.

There has been a pretty sound proposal that one of you two is scum, and has now been generally agreed upon by everyone except you two.
The only way I can make sense of your reactions on this page is if you are both scum. If one of you were scum then I would be vehemently trying to get the other guy lynched on this bandwagon (esp from nocmen, who decided to unvote instead of reinforcing his position); the other guy should be trying to prove as coherently as possible that he is town and that thus the other guy is the scum.
It would make a lot of sense on the other hand if they were both scum. It seems that at night they discussed killing GL & CES and thought that CES would be the easiest to kill during the day (due to Peter's attacks on him, and my occasional jab); it is also very possible to try and do a little intra-voting to get some innocence established in order to get CES, not well planned, but it makes sense with no need for the introduction of an especially elaborate scheme.

[Peter Venkman]

I'm so glad you finially stopped by Eldarion, I was begining to think I was insane.

-Peter