Newbie 320 - Berry Village Mafia V (Game Over!)

[Nocmen]

Hmm...I dont like random votes that much, but what the hell.

Random number 1-7, corresponding to the player list: 6

Vote:GreenLiquid

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote, vote: GreenLiquid

<_<
>_>

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Also, feel free to ask me any questions you might have.

Venkman, I'd still appreciate it if you voted for Caddock.

[Peter Venkman]

Cogito Ergo Sum

wrote:

Venkman, switch over to Caddock

Woah, why?!

I threw my vote at you because you are the most veteran player of the bunch. I figured you would understand how meaningless the initial vote is. Why so defensive so early on?

I'm not ready to put two votes on ANYONE, especially before they have spoken.

-Peter

[Nocmen]

Cogito...why did you switch all of a sudden? It seems very suspicious to me, especially when you are trying to bandwagon on my random vote.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Instead of using "

Cogito Ergo Sum

wrote:", you can also do {quote="Cogito Ergo Sum"}{/quote}(with []s instead of {}s, obv.)

I have no particular problem with your vote on me. I'm just probing. But

FoS: Venkman

for misquoting me. I said please.

Also, if you were to vote Caddock now, that would be the first vote on me, not that 2 votes is bad. At this stage in the game, we need to create some pressure, get something going to incite discussion. A small wagon serves that purpose while not being detrimental to the town. You should be careful with third votes, not so with second votes. (Although there are some who would disagree with me on that last point.)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

that would be the first vote on

me

Caddock

Fixed.

Cogito...why did you switch all of a sudden? It seems very suspicious to me, especially when you are trying to bandwagon on my random vote.

I believe in the power of bandwagons. I like to use my vote fully and I certainly don't mind putting some pressure on GreenLiquid. He can take it.

This post does show a pro-town mindset, I would think.

[Peter Venkman]

Thanks Cogito for explaining the quote mechanism, it's slightly different than another message board and I couldn't figure out how to get it to work.

Before I do anything with my vote, I would like to ask you a question. Would you feel comfortable, at this point in the game, having the two "pressure" votes on you?

-Peter

[Nocmen]

I believe in the power of bandwagons. I like to use my vote fully and I certainly don't mind putting some pressure on GreenLiquid. He can take it.

This post does show a pro-town mindset, I would think.

Bandwagons for the scum it sounds from your post. And if you are pushing such pro-town in that post, you didnt need to point it out, did you?

Unvote, Vote:Cogito Ergo Sum

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I would still feel comfortable, yes. But worrying about getting lynched is not part of my style.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Bandwagons for the scum it sounds from your post.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. What gives you that idea?

And if you are pushing such pro-town in that post, you didnt need to point it out, did you?

When I said "this post", I was referring to the quote, your post, not mine.

[Nocmen]

Bandwagons for the scum it sounds from your post.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. What gives you that idea?

You said you believe in the power of bandwagons. Scum likes using bandwagons to make easy lynches when a townie slips up...and going to that, did you just slip up saying your going to bandwagon people as scum?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

A good town doesn't let bandwagons turn into easy lynches. And a second vote is never to going to lynch anyone.

I'm not sure what you mean by the last question. If I were scum, I would also bandwagon, yes. Because I try to act the same way as scum as I do as town. I always bandwagon.

[Peter Venkman]

Cogito> I honestly don't know how to feel about you. Your defensive attitude seems out of place for a veteran, especially after you assert how worrying about getting lynched is not part of your style.

Nocmen> You put the second vote of Cogito, and we havn't even heard from over half the players. For those reading through the thread there is the perfect opportunity to judge Cogito, without anyone else even offering post content of their own. Often times the biggest tells come from players defending themselves.

Plus, I feel a slower game benefits the town, and jumping to conclusions here isn't the way.

I'm going to cut back on posting until we hear from more players. In addition:

Unvote: Cogito Ergo Sum

so we don't give lazy players and scum an easy target.

-Peter

[Eldarion]

Vote: Venkman

That is all.

(This should make my life more interesting).

[Peter Venkman]

Welcome to the party Eldarion!

Any reason for your vote, or you just want to see me dance?

-Peter

[Eldarion]

In a way, I'm more interested in the grand dance than yours.

I voted for you because of the suspicion you're wielding against CES, and to spice things up a bit. It could very well be that in his defensive play he's trying to fit in with newbies; being seen as out of place can and will get people killed, when in Rome (/me glances at name of board and giggles) and all that jazz.

In all honesty I'd be being perfectly hypocritical in my post if I were going to accuse you Mr Venkman of being scum, purely based on the fact that you're attacking someone based on very little apart from a perceived variation from "typical playstyle"; I am not accusing you though Mr Venkman, I am voting for you.

[Nocmen]

In a way, I'm more interested in the grand dance than yours.

I voted for you because of the suspicion you're wielding against CES, and to spice things up a bit. It could very well be that in his defensive play he's trying to fit in with newbies; being seen as out of place can and will get people killed, when in Rome (/me glances at name of board and giggles) and all that jazz.

In all honesty I'd be being perfectly hypocritical in my post if I were going to accuse you Mr Venkman of being scum, purely based on the fact that you're attacking someone based on very little apart from a perceived variation from "typical playstyle"; I am not accusing you though Mr Venkman, I am voting for you.

Wait...you dont think hes scum, yet you are voting for him, if thats what i understand correctly. That is almost the same as the scum voting for someone who they know is not scum.

And If I read the first few posts correctly, Im pretty sure Venkman just voted for CES at random.

Unvote, Vote:Eldarion

[Peter Venkman]

Eldarion> Thanks for explaining. I don't like votes that don't have content with them.

For your entertainment, I will tap dance to the tune of "She's a Maniac."

Enjoy!

-Peter

[Blackberry]

Azibo Village Vote Count

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Eldarion

# 1 [Nocmen]

Peter Venkman

# 1 [Eldarion]

GreenLiquid

# 1 [Cogito Ergo Sum]

Not Voting: remussaidow, Caddock, Peter Venkman, GreenLiquid

Four Votes to Lynch.

[Eldarion]

Yup, that's pretty much it. In almost every game you hear this thrown out, but I guess I'm going to have to do it as well; for townspeople (berries, whatever) voting randomly is 71% likely to be a friendly. Anyone in the game at the moment can fairly confidently vote for someone who is not scum (townspeople random voting and scum knowing).
My vote is not inherently scummy, sure you can read it like that if you want, but it is fairly obvious I was voting for whoever's name, avatar, grammar...etc popped out at me while reading through the thread.
My justification might be scummy, and I suppose I intended it that way (to be ambiguous in message). In a C9 game, noone is going to assert that they are in fact scum, and as such shouldn't (I won't say 'wouldn't' because some people don't get the logic game) use a potentially suspicious justification for a random vote without being reasonably confident in the game mechanics. I'm beginning to see that maybe playing in such a way might not be beneficial to my health (or at least my neck, the Cherries are probably loving my inadvertent distractions).

People are constantly accused of being scum due to vote-dropping... for now, mine will stay.

Just remember that all the famed scum-tells are used by innocents too, otherwise noone would ever get away with them. Don't leap on the first thing you don't like, add it to your collection and see if you can fit them together in any sort of comprehensible order.

[Eldarion]

Wait...you dont think hes scum, yet you are voting for him, if thats what i understand correctly. That is almost the same as the scum voting for someone who they know is not scum.

I'd just like to make sure I got across the distinction (and why you used 'almost') between what I did and what scum do. I voted for someone I had had no real idea about, apart from that they were active. I know only the role of two people in this game, me and the mod. If knowing that he was innocent was my reason for voting (and I were scum), would I tell people?

[Peter Venkman]

It could very well be that in his (Cogito Ergo Sum) defensive play he's trying to fit in with newbies

I noticed this and completely agree with you. CES does appear to be trying to fit in. However, we came to different conclusions.

In this game there are only two people who have any motivation to pretend to be something they are not. Who would benefit from sliding under the radar as a newbie, scum or town?

-Peter

[Eldarion]

I would still feel comfortable, yes. But worrying about getting lynched is not part of my style.

@ Venkman: I guess when you couple defensive playing with not being afraid of getting lynched you get...?

[Peter Venkman]

Eldarion> I assume your answer is, lynched? I don't understand your point here, or why you are asking me the question about his behavior.

I'll admit, my suspicion about CES is more of a hunch than a solid accusation. So far, among the people who have responded, his play doesn't make sense to me.

Do you completely disagree?

-Peter