Mafia in La-La Land (Game over!)

[MattP]

Kay, PM is probably town.

The MattP Plan:

1) Ignore PM until I can't anymore
2) Vote Kondi because his PM townread is him being hyper-aware of his "I'm going to be easily swayed to townreads by bullshit flimsy reasoning" meta
3) Add Mehdi to townlist
4) Add AGar to scumlist

Ok cool VOTE: Kondi

[MattP]

Kondi, your PM townread is too easy, but thanks for confirming him as town after your scumflip.

[MattP]

I've played with kondi 3 times. As town and scum he makes grandiose assumptions about people's alignment based on shitty reasoning, and he is very hyper-aware of this meta play.


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Scum Game.

Mala is town.

Post 18 he calls a player town off of stupid reasoning.

Because you somehow failed to read where I said Venmar townslipped.

Oh here's another "townslip" within the first 40 posts of the game.

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Here's him bragging about a scumgame where he called townslips:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4036694
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4036846

Here is him calling a townslip on me when I was scum and he was town:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4037969

That game he wasn't forcing it up our asses that he looks for townslips and he actually waited until we were significantly into the game to do so.

This game he is just being impatient and trying to throw his meta at us immediately, and he is much more hyper-aware like this as scum.

[MattP]

Hey hey hey Kondi is being lynched today and IDGAF.

[MattP]

PM, are you scum?

Kay, PM is probably town.

You're a WIZARD

Also note that outing towntells is usually a terrible idea. If I find someone town, I'm just going to make a note of it.

YEAH OK except that you always love to point out your townreads with minimal gut reasoning so IDK WTF this is.

[MattP]

All the games are linked in my above post? The one where he is bragging I'm not sure about, I never saw the game. It just proves that he loves clearing people as town and he is more keen to do it as scum and use it to his advantage, so it matches the fact that he would find even more crappy reasoning to find an excuse to.

It's so telling that he would brag about it too.

[MattP]

So I'm scum for being able to read PM. Okay.

I see what you're saying, but PM is literally the easiest person to read. Ever.

Also, PoEing to the scum is to both my metas.

You're not getting a townread on him because he's easy to read, you're saying he's easy to read because you want to have a townread on him.

That post by PM was not why PM would be town.

[MattP]

"sigh" Sorry kondi, I trusted you, but MattP is right.

Is PM always this melodramatic and artificial?

[MattP]

How do you read kondi's Deasvail meta argument? It's what's holding me back from voting him, I don't know DeasScum meta.

Why is it holding you back from voting him? It's more crappy reasoning to justify a vote. Kondi slides by on gut reasoning and it allows him to get away with bad play in his scum games.

No I'm not, and yes it is.

Nice reserved, timid tone. It's not blatantly obvious you're trying to be careful as fuck. If you were town you would actually be putting up a fight.

[MattP]

You should know you can't actually read me for shit.

I'm fucking depressed right now, not the best time to be playing

Yeah, I haven't in the past been able to read you because of your meta crap but now I realize you do the same things as town and scum, but the way you employ them is different.

I'm sorry you're depressed right now, but I have a scumread on you regardless and I will be pushing you as a result. You can respond later if you are not in the mood to do so now.

[MattP]

Oh yay, AGar is town.

Shamrock is town, Staeg is town.

[MattP]

How on earth is jackal a town read?

[MattP]

Ha

VOTE: konowa

[MattP]

Konowa is scum this was easy lets do that today

[MattP]

Reck you're supposed to have a town read on me

[MattP]

BELIEVE IN ME BABE

[MattP]

Konowas awkward artificial play style progression and his fabricated "I'm cool" tone are preeettty laughable LOL amirite?

[MattP]

Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, but no what isn't?

In 213, 216 and 221 who are you trying to serve your shit to konowa and does it come with any side dishes?

[MattP]

1. DeasVail -town
2. Staeg -town
3. AGar -duhtown
4. xRECKONERx -duhtown
5. manho -lean town
6. PeregrineV -idgaf
7. Seastormjt -idgaf
8. Inox -idgaf
9. Darkcrimson -idgaf
10. Shiidaji -idgaf
11. Konowa -scum
12. PMysterious -idgaf
13. Shamrock -town
14. whispersilk -idgaf
15. MattP -GOD
16. Mehdi2277 -duhtown
17. Blastoide -idgaf
18. Gammagooey -town
19. Jackal711 -lean town now
20. kondi2424 -scum
21. Bitmap -idgaf

[MattP]

I'm reading you like duhtown, not town.

[MattP]

Oh god

[MattP]

Oh good hey peta vote Konowa he is scum

[MattP]

I feel like when you read the posts quoted below you'll figure it out on your own, but here are the four main posts that are Konowa's bellyflop into the mafia kiddie pool:

You guys are cute.

Read Mehdi.
Now tell me, despite the massive amount of garbage he has posted thus far, who he has taken a stance on.
All he has done so far is ask “questions” and posture. His vote of Reck in 103 is obnoxious reaching and a pointless “pressure vote” that scum can easily hide behind.

Grandiose, highly accusatory language to condemn a player of scum tactics reads incredibly artificial.

Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong, but no what isn't?

Konowa backtracking and appeasement to Reck while pressure is on konowa

Your entrance post is not scummy, to me at least. That kind of post can easily come from town as well as scum. So yes, calling your entrance post scummy is reaching and he self-admittedly said that it was also for pressure reasons.

Besides that, what do you think of Mehdi not taking any stances so far? His play feels like new scum asking lots questions to gather a general consensus to hide the fact that he has not said one thing yet.

To that point, Mehdi who do you think is scum?

Fixation on an aspect of Reck's play that is negligable in Konowa's situation.

Forced scumhunting questioning to Reck about Mehdi, which is prying for useless information, which makes his scumhunting seem artificial and scattered.

When you point it in terms like that, yes I suppose I see why in a vacuum your post can be viewed as scummy. I guess what my point is, is that I read posts like that as null and then later review once said player has started playing.

unvote;

I still would like for Mehdi to provide scum reads.

Appeasement to Reck again, backtracking of vote yet still asks for reads from Mehdi, which shouldn't be a concern to Konowa anymore if he was legit scumhunting. Mehdi should now be an afterthought but instead he's like "\o/ look at me try to push someone for something because I'm town!"

[MattP]

Nope, I'm right

[MattP]

Also I hate posting cases because the whole point is that they're open to interpretation but PETA asked. I'm sure he will find his own reasons

[MattP]

Uhhhhhh Peta is doing a classic and good town strategy

[MattP]

No players like CES who is a very good player keep their proverbial cards down because it can be advantageous to allow certain things, surprisingly, unbeknownst to you from happening. Once you out scummy behavior patterns they are amendable by scum and good scum will fix small samples of scum behavior. Good town will be patient. Peta has made two posts so far and is trying to field a reaction and your impulsivity to get him to spew reads is anti town

[MattP]

Kondi is still scum Konowa, but you're even more scum. Derp derp

[MattP]

It's a fail strategy, but it borders on too idiotic to lean either way in terms of alignment.

[MattP]

I also find it laughable that Konowa is redundantly admitting that his scumread on me is emotion driven like that will give him towncred

[MattP]

Sorry for my tone, I am RAWR lately. Just playing the game, no hard feelings.

[MattP]

I don't think I can be more specific that I had to re-assess. I would like to think that I am fairly decent at catching scum, so [insert reason here of why I thought Mehdi was scum]. So the fact that no one else saw what I saw as scummy, I had to take a step back.

Hey Konowa, I'm notorious for being a meta kinda guy. Can you show me an example of a game where you had a scumread on someone and backtracked because people disagreed with it?

[MattP]

Also are there no games from 2012 where you were scum, Konowa?

[MattP]

Fuck me.

You are actually playing very close in tone to your town meta.

[MattP]

Buuut I'm not taking that as incentive to unvote because I have no scum meta to compare it to so sorry babe

[MattP]

Mod: Please prod Kondi, Jackal and Bitmap

[MattP]

Have you used meta arguments a lot in the past? What about on someone you were already voting to try to confirm their alignments? (Matt)

Yes

Also I am very happy I just did a full reread of this game.

2. Staeg -town
4. xRECKONERx -duhtown
5. manho -lean town
10. Shiidaji -idgaf

Why.

Manho is no longer lean town, he is null.
Shiidaji is now a townread for your reaction with DV when you got a townread on him
Reck is gut, his scumplay is much less...enjoyable and much more charged than his townplay
Staeg for his first post, read town.

Also, I have found the obvscum

VOTE: Inox

Read-through notes: I was over-antagonizing Konowa, he is a leaning scum read

Kondi I'll worry about later

[MattP]

Inox has slipped through the cracks because he's dum, let's focus on him for a little bit

[MattP]

Fuck me.

You are actually playing very close in tone to your town meta.

i was just about to say that tonally he comes across as scummy lmao

Derp what do you think of Inox? ISO the bitch

[MattP]

Borrowing his computer,

Mod, please delete that post

I remember liking Inox because of his first post prob not coming from scum and the Deas read switch but I sort of forgot about him and ehhh


manho's first post gave you townvibes? He has uh
two posts
Yeah. (And the first one was weak and too concise for my tastes)

I think you mean Staeg, not manho

I'll go through Inox's posts if I have to

I prefer not to delete posts unless absolutely necessary. --Quilford

[MattP]

No I mean manho

And uh

Why are you here.

I got a townread on manho from his post the first time through and reading through again I corrected it to a null read. Do you want to know what I thought my first time going through because I don't remember.

[MattP]

Eh, I've felt a bit off in my last few posts. My backtracking on the Konowa wagon was sloppy, but I'm reading his posts differently now.

[MattP]

I love that reck is town

[MattP]

Manho why the fuck are you binding me to the meta case

[MattP]

Nah

You're scum

[MattP]

A manho scum flip confirms kondi as town

[MattP]

Also manho was humiliatingly concise in that post

VOTE: manho

[MattP]

Manho why don't you seem concerned with Peta thinking you're scum

[MattP]

Manho is my strongest scumread to date

[MattP]

I would say there is a 90% chance he will flip scum

[MattP]

Bmore active people

Vote manho

That is all

[MattP]

He's actually making me want to lynch him less but strangle him more.

His vote on manho for some ridiculous reason made me feel less unsettled than yours Peta, but that is just because I fear you <3

[MattP]

I like your town buzzphrases, they make me incredibly sexually aroused. I want to rip your ear off with my bare teeth.

[MattP]

Peta you have a townread on me right?

[MattP]

I mean I'm only assuming because we seem to be on the same train of thought with everything this round.

[MattP]

Aw man ok

[MattP]

Deal

[MattP]

@Reck- Have no fear, I don't think you're town.

Luckily, your buddy defended you while you were gone.

Vote: Shamrock

First statement is null.

Vote on shamrock is too concise and unmotivated. Reads as if he is already moving into a lurking position in this game. I think the best thing to do would be to force him into activity.

@Inox- Why don't you go ahead and try some of those walls you were talking about.

Peregrine, what was the purpose of you posting this?

[MattP]

Honestly PV is less of a concern to me right now. He will have no power in steering the lynch and there are bigger idiots out there. He can be pressured later. Right now there are more obvious targets.

[MattP]

Manho ignoring petas scumread on him was p condemning along with his bluntness and that assurance comment to me about kondi. Ignoring scumreads is a site scumtell for now

[MattP]

It's scummy bro true story

[MattP]

Asking why it was scummy

It's counterproductive to make a post with a purpose, have it torn down by having suspicion cast on it, and not giving a shit

It means your post was shit and you know it and you think ignoring that will somehow make it go away

It doesn't work that way

[MattP]

I think reactions are where you catch scum or town. Town shouldn't be afraid to react. Scum should be terrified. It's not a foolproof Scumhunting strat but it just piles on all the other shit manho is throwing at us

[MattP]

Yeah this player base is disappointing me so far

[MattP]

Shamrock pressuring PETA to elaborate was the correct move

[MattP]

Some people think reaction posts are always scummy. Those people should be given the death sentence

[MattP]

PV is probtown

[MattP]

Then vote manho yo

[MattP]

Read on manho go

Also everyones like lukewarm reads on manho but refusal to vote him is pretty damn telling when he flips scum

[MattP]

Ok princess

[MattP]

S'up bitches. Anything in particular I need to hear about before I start reading?

manho is scum yadayadayada

[MattP]

Town

[MattP]

Well Kondi's probtown too

[MattP]

O

[MattP]

FTR I don't really agree with this wagon

VOTE: Konowa

[MattP]

Oh hey look Bitmap just got uber paranoid randomly right after he just lost to me in a game.

I WONDER WHAT HIS MOTIVATION WAS

At least he's now conftown to me

[MattP]

Oh hey look Bitmap just got uber paranoid randomly right after he just lost to me in a game.

I WONDER WHAT HIS MOTIVATION WAS

At least he's now conftown to me

Lynch dis fool.

1) You will gain no traction on a lynch on me today, especially with so little time left, sorry babe
2) It's obvious that I'm voting Konowa because we're running out of time

FTR I don't really agree with this wagon

VOTE: Konowa

If you could decide the lynchee, who would it be?

Manho

Question for you, what was the point of you asking me that?

[MattP]

I just lost my townread on DV, but let's play.

[MattP]

I hope I get a dream with you as a scumread.

Wow.

I'm...ok.

[MattP]

Konowa wagon has more momentum. I am ambivalent about both.

[MattP]

ITT KoC will learn that PM doesn't active lurk, he active fials

[MattP]

KoC, manho read pls.

[MattP]

I think the drop of activity here and continued activity sitewide is a big scumtell though.

You know he replaced out right? And did so in all of his games?

[MattP]

Oyea Shii is town

[MattP]

Bitmap, you're an Impulsive 3-shot Dayvig, who do you shoot?

[MattP]

I think he's saying that I'm playing to my "scum meta" even though I'm awesome and don't play differently as either alignment duh desu desu~

[MattP]

there are so many "weak scum reads" on manho. Reasons why this makes him scum:

1) If manho was town then some people would be calling townreads on him for towncred
2) If manho was town this wagon would be a LOT easier or a LOT harder, it would not be this dead halfwagon
3) If manho was town there wouldn't be so many weak scumreads on him because scum would not have as much incentive to weakly bus to avoid catching attention

In conclusion, let's fucking hurry this up and lynch manhoscum

VOTE: Manho

[MattP]

Changed vote because of time constraint but time was extended.

I am not concerned with KoC right now.

[MattP]

Oh right Matt, how is kondi's sudden replace out a towntell?

And please do concern yourself.

Please see where I was corrected by Peta that it is NOT a towntell

Make me.

[MattP]

manho wagon choochoochooooo

[MattP]

chuggachuggachuggachugga choochoooo

[MattP]

A little better but his Kondi meta thing was damning

[MattP]

Your posts are weak and lack townmanship.

[MattP]

Unofficial prod received. I think maybe that if we all decide on one type of wagon, we'll work on the rest of them later. Not sure why I think that, I just do.

Daykill: PMysterious

I've rid the world of filth and perhaps the single worst comment ever made in the history of this forum.

[MattP]

I'm a day vig and you're scum or worthless soooo yeah bye

[MattP]

matt i know what you're trying to do i think but i don't see how it'll actually help given PM being PM. yes i'm ruining your 'gambit' if it is one but pm is pretty clearly not going to post anything useful or damning because of it.

I was trying to pop his dayvig cherry

[MattP]

I've confirmed a player as town before as dayvig, because they got so pissed at me for dayvigging them that they replaced out lol

Doesnt hurt to try

[MattP]

VOTE: PM

[MattP]

GOOD NEWS IS THAT IF HE REALLY IS THAT DUMB AND FLIPS TOWN WE CAN PROTECT OUR EGOS BY CALLING IT A PL

[MattP]

Reck, are you dumb? I am actually not asking this to be mean, I am genuinely curious.

[MattP]

lolwhat show me.

Also I would like the answer to this, Bitmap.

[MattP]

CALLING IT NOW

BITMAP IS SCUM WITH PMYSTERIOUS

[MattP]

HA SHII IS SO TOWN IT BURNS

AND STAEG

WOOPWOOPWOOP

[MattP]

Oh god

Reck is town stop with the waste of post space questioning

[MattP]

How was that a scum slip, Bitmap? Why is it suddenly a "possible" scumslip?

[MattP]

bitmap being paranoid of matt is probably a town-tell

Oh fucking shit I forgot about this.

Bitmap is town

[MattP]

I don't wanna be lynched Day 1. I didn't mean for it to happen that way. I was not upset at Matt at all, I was just overreacting. Give me all of the questions you can pull at me besides asking for me to claim and I'll get all of them in 1 post.

[MattP]

Just fucking vote PM and end it everyone

[MattP]

Unvote: Fucker from da hoe villa

Vote: PMysterious

cmon more votes

[MattP]

I am not sure why he plays the way he does but he could very well be scum. So I am willing to join the rest and vote for him. Something about his play just seems odd and sets off my radar. Meanwhile taking a look at ISOs and see what I can figure once he flips.

This was bad

[MattP]

I had a scumread on Kondi and Rach just like super duper fuckaderpalerped the shit out of this thread

Take note

[MattP]

All right I feel better about Rach

But jeez for a moment there

[MattP]

Let me clarify, 734 made me feel better, 731 made me squirm from the badness of it

[MattP]

Nacho, you are one of the most impressive scum players on this site

That is all.