Mafia in La-La Land (Game over!)

[Shiidaji]

Okay, we moved from RVs to RQs. How does that make sense. Might as well remove my RV.

That wasn't a random question. I couldn't tell if Inox's first vote on Deas had reasoning behind it or if it was some inside joke. If it was the latter, then the follow-up reasoning he gave when prompted was made up, but they don't have a history and I think he was being serious.

"sigh" Sorry kondi, I trusted you, but MattP is right.

Is PM always this melodramatic and artificial?

Yes.
How do you read kondi's Deasvail meta argument? It's what's holding me back from voting him, I don't know DeasScum meta.

[Shamrock]

Is it? (as in can't you decide)

Well, presumably I was asking you because I wanted to hear your answer. That is how questions work, you know.

So, is it scummy?

[Mehdi2277]

I was assuming you were asking it in general (since asking someone are they scum isn't the best question). Anyways yes it's somewhat scummy for targeting reck instead of some of the more talkative people that are easier to determine a read but I wanted the people who've posted little so far to talk more.

[kondi2424]

So I'm scum for being able to read PM. Okay.

I see what you're saying, but PM is literally the easiest person to read. Ever.

Also, PoEing to the scum is to both my metas.

You're not getting a townread on him because he's easy to read, you're saying he's easy to read because you want to have a townread on him.

That post by PM was not why PM would be town.

No I'm not, and yes it is.

[Shamrock]

I was assuming you were asking it in general (since asking someone are they scum isn't the best question). Anyways yes it's somewhat scummy for targeting reck instead of some of the more talkative people that are easier to determine a read but I wanted the people who've posted little so far to talk more.

Ahh, I seem to have phrased my question poorly. What I meant was: was Reckoner's post scummy?

[MattP]

How do you read kondi's Deasvail meta argument? It's what's holding me back from voting him, I don't know DeasScum meta.

Why is it holding you back from voting him? It's more crappy reasoning to justify a vote. Kondi slides by on gut reasoning and it allows him to get away with bad play in his scum games.

No I'm not, and yes it is.

Nice reserved, timid tone. It's not blatantly obvious you're trying to be careful as fuck. If you were town you would actually be putting up a fight.

[kondi2424]

You should know you can't actually read me for shit.

I'm fucking depressed right now, not the best time to be playing

[Shiidaji]

I'll re-word that, it's the only thing that I found mildly town coming from him, and I wanted your opinion on it.

PEdit: VOTE: kondi

[MattP]

You should know you can't actually read me for shit.

I'm fucking depressed right now, not the best time to be playing

Yeah, I haven't in the past been able to read you because of your meta crap but now I realize you do the same things as town and scum, but the way you employ them is different.

I'm sorry you're depressed right now, but I have a scumread on you regardless and I will be pushing you as a result. You can respond later if you are not in the mood to do so now.

[Mehdi2277]

I was assuming you were asking it in general (since asking someone are they scum isn't the best question). Anyways yes it's somewhat scummy for targeting reck instead of some of the more talkative people that are easier to determine a read but I wanted the people who've posted little so far to talk more.

Ahh, I seem to have phrased my question poorly. What I meant was: was Reckoner's post scummy?

A small bit for the reason stated before, but mostly I want him to talk more.

[Shamrock]

So you think expressing dismay about the size of the game is something scum are more likely to do than town? Why? And why would voting him provoke him to talk more/sooner when the game has just started?

[Mehdi2277]

Yes I think it's more likely (reason past stated plus I don't consider 5 pages to be a ton of reading along with it sounds like a generic complaint thing).

As for the other question kind of weakened now that I said part of it was a pressure vote, but people tend to react in some way to pressure.

[Shamrock]

This seems like extremely spurious reasoning. You think that a player is more likely to be scum because they don't feel like reading 5 pages of RVS at 3 AM? Really?

I suspect you realize this and are too scared of backtracking to admit that it was a shitty vote.

[Mehdi2277]

"A small bit for the reason stated before, but mostly I want him to talk more."

Nothing new to add there. Yes I think it's more likely a scum then town. The main reason remains to see him talk more.

[Staeg]

Shii town
Matt town
Jackal slight scum (gut-meta)
Shamrock town
Mehdi, how many games have you played on MS/how much attention do you usually pay to games?

vote: Jackal

For the record, no, I'm not going to state the reasoning on the townreads unless they're in any danger of being lynched (no, finding out my alignment is not a good enough excuse for me to do this).

[Bitmap]

I heard MattP was never wrong.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kondi

[Mehdi2277]

I have one completed game (3 ongoing games ignoring this one). Not sure how to answer the second question, but I tend to be the most active (or one of the most active) so I try to keep up with all my games quickly.

So what does my answer mean to you?

[Staeg]

So what does my answer mean to you?

Well, I was hoping that you'd have at least 1 "normal" completed game (yours is a micro game) - you struck me as a player that doesn't skim over important things, and the endgame PMs would be one thing to look for. It just so happens that mafia QTs are included in said PMs, and if you had any more games, I'd call for you to be lynched on the spot based on the previous conversation.

[Mehdi2277]

I've read over multiple games although I personally don't look at qts much to notice whether people confirm before they post in them and it's the mostly fact I've never used a mafia qt. Interestingly the mafia in my completed game never bothered to reveal their qt.

[Shamrock]

"A small bit for the reason stated before, but mostly I want him to talk more."

Nothing new to add there. Yes I think it's more likely a scum then town. The main reason remains to see him talk more.

And do you think that a single vote from you, which you have already admitted is for pressure purposes, is likely to make him talk more/sooner? (Or, to ask the same thing in another way: why should he feel pressured by your vote, especially given the short length of time this game has been running?)

[AGar]

VOTE: AGar

amidoinitrite?

Yeah you are actually.

Unvote: PV
Vote: Agar

PEdit: I want the answer first. And, I'm not really pushing at him yet.

Ok good.

[AGar]

Kondi reads town to me atm. I've played with, AND modded, Kondi-scum and I'm not getting a scum vibe from him.

PM.. is PM. I don't have a strong read either way yet.

VOTE: MattP

This shit. What the fuck is it?

Is MattP random? If so, why random vote when you have some sort of reads at this point and things have at least somewhat progressed past RVS. If not, why MattP?

[MattP]

Oh yay, AGar is town.

Shamrock is town, Staeg is town.

[AGar]

Oh yay, AGar is town.

You ever doubted me? Harumph.

[kondi2424]

List so far, in order:

TOWN

Mehdi
PM

LIKELY TOWN

Jackal
Reck
Staeg
AGar
Shamrock
Shii

NULL

Inox
Matt
Blastoide

LIKELY SCUM

DV
Bitmap

NOT ENOUGH POSTS

manho
PV
Seastorm
Darkcrimson
Konowa
whispersilk
Gamma