Mafia in La-La Land (Game over!)

[MattP]

Deal

[MattP]

@Reck- Have no fear, I don't think you're town.

Luckily, your buddy defended you while you were gone.

Vote: Shamrock

First statement is null.

Vote on shamrock is too concise and unmotivated. Reads as if he is already moving into a lurking position in this game. I think the best thing to do would be to force him into activity.

@Inox- Why don't you go ahead and try some of those walls you were talking about.

Peregrine, what was the purpose of you posting this?

[MattP]

Honestly PV is less of a concern to me right now. He will have no power in steering the lynch and there are bigger idiots out there. He can be pressured later. Right now there are more obvious targets.

[MattP]

Manho ignoring petas scumread on him was p condemning along with his bluntness and that assurance comment to me about kondi. Ignoring scumreads is a site scumtell for now

[Shamrock]

What was bad about his ignoring peta's scumread, all peta said was "that's scummy", there wasn't really anything for him to respond to.

[MattP]

It's scummy bro true story

[Shamrock]

What, in your opinion, would a non-scummy response to peta's #372 be?

[MattP]

Asking why it was scummy

It's counterproductive to make a post with a purpose, have it torn down by having suspicion cast on it, and not giving a shit

It means your post was shit and you know it and you think ignoring that will somehow make it go away

It doesn't work that way

[Gammagooey]

i guess pere is more likely to be lynched later game but using that as a reason to kill a more influential player seems kinda dumb to me. pretty sure you've heard the "scum is scum so lynch it" dialogue at least once before so i'll skip over that. Do think that Pere is more likely to be scum than manho but you're right about manho's 'if you're sure' thing being bad.

ignoring scumreads i think is more player-based, I get why it would be because it totally works better for not getting more votes on you than actually talking to the people voting you because people think most defenses are scummy but i do it all the time as both alignments when I just don't want to have to deal with that player or explain shit.

Vote:manho

[petapan]

he's basically a big fat ball of nothing, same with a lot of players in this game, was hoping the pressure on him would get a response but ehh

[MattP]

I think reactions are where you catch scum or town. Town shouldn't be afraid to react. Scum should be terrified. It's not a foolproof Scumhunting strat but it just piles on all the other shit manho is throwing at us

[MattP]

Yeah this player base is disappointing me so far

[Shamrock]

You would be right, Matt, except that peta wasn't actually making any arguments. All he said was:

that was a p. scummy post by manho i don't really like it

To my eyes, there is no argument in that post that necessitates a response. I will repeat my question, since you chose to ignore it: what would a non-scummy response to the above post be?

[petapan]

activity sitewide is always down on weekends, have a little patience

[MattP]

Shamrock pressuring PETA to elaborate was the correct move

[Shamrock]

Oh, I misunderstood your post. Ok.

[MattP]

Some people think reaction posts are always scummy. Those people should be given the death sentence

[Mehdi2277]

Here's my list of procrastinated reads (all fairly short, but I'll add more detail if needed for a specific one):

DeasVail- Null. I'm honestly undecided on him. His disagreement with kon seems to have some reaching although his questions have been relevant and trying to help.
Staeg- Null. I think remember some people mentioning as scummy, but reading through what he's said I don't really see anything noticeable for either alignment.
AGar- Null-slight lean scum. I mostly dislike the people he's been looking at more. PM and Jackal aren't exactly the best people to be examining right now imo (one's lurking the other is a VI).
xRECKONERx- Leaning town for reason past stated.
manho- Lean scum although really I'm just willing to accept matt's read on him here. The main problem with it is I find kondi more likely to be scum and both being scum isn't that likely.
PeregrineV- Null. 308 is scummy but beyond that to little to look at.
Seastormjt- Leaning town. Reads sound genuine to me. I wouldn't mind hearing more reasoning on his town reads though.
Inox- Leaning town. Mostly speaks with statements (as in not fence sitting much opinion wise) and his logic is transparent.
petapan- Town. Nice amount of content since replacing in.
Shiidaji- Town for multiple reasons. One quick reason is having malleable reads and changing for a scum read to town without anyone else trying to push her deas read to change.
Konowa- Town. Can't see much scum motivation to attack me like that.
PMysterious- Null lean town. I can't honestly read pm well, but his high carefree style leans town.
Shamrock- Town. The way he's been questioning seems town to me along with looking at multiple things.
4nxi3ty- Null lean town. Concise posts with a decent amount of content.
MattP- Town. Pressuring people like usual, starting one wagon to another depending on his highest scum read, etc. Part of the read goes to meta, but following through with his scum reads and pushing for them also helps.
Blastoide- Null lean scum. Bitmap vote turning out to be pressure, and fence sitting on two of the main suspected people (kon and kondi for example).
Gammagooey- Null. Dislike the amount of talk dealing with lurkers at this stage of the game from him but beyond that nothing pings me for him.
Jackal711- Null. Two posts isn't enough for me to decide on someone.
kondi2424- Scum for meta really. Admittingly that read's gotten a bit weaker, but it's still my highest scum read.
Bitmap- Null. Lack of content.

Anyways I'm sticking with my kondi vote. And matt while I don't see a problem in your attacks on manho I think kondi is more likely scum and the fact manho has only posted 4 times means it's a bit harder to decide his alignment (plus it's not that likely to have both as scum so I'm going with the one I think is more likely).

[manho]

Manho why don't you seem concerned with Peta thinking you're scum

because i'm always being seen as scum when posting. and i always ignore plain accusation.

Manho:

Why is being paranoid scummy?

scums are afraid to be caught as scum, that's why they are more like to be paranoid about what others would think about their actions. town won't be paranoid as what they are doing should be pro-town and won't be afraid to be "caught" as scum.

[Quilford]

Day 1

kondi2424

(5) Mehdi2277, PMysterious, Shiidaji, Bitmap, Konowa

manho

(4) MattP, petapan, kondi2424, Gammagooey

Konowa

(3) Staeg, DeasVail, manho

MattP

(2) Jackal711, Seastormjt

PMysterious

(2) Shamrock, 4nxi3ty

PeregrineV

(1) xRECKONERx

Shamrock

(1) PeregrineV

petapan

(1) Inox

Jackal711

(1) AGar

Not Voting

(1) Blastoide

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With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline hits in (expired on 2012-09-02 00:09:48).

Activity

Searching for a replacement for Jackal711. Will suspend deadline if necessary.

I am aware that activity is at a bit of a low; people with 2-3 days without a post will get an unofficial prod, people with >3 days will get a proper one.

Konowa has declared V/LA during weekends.

[DeasVail]

Kondi:

Current thoughts on konowa?

[Konowa]

Family emergency. Will attempt to post later tonight, tomorrow at latest.

[Shiidaji]

Hi, busy until this afternoon but I got that nudge.

manho- Lean scum although really I'm just willing to accept matt's read on him here. The main problem with it is I find kondi more likely to be scum and both being scum isn't that likely.

This is almost word for word my opinion on manho

[PeregrineV]

@Reck- Have no fear, I don't think you're town.

Luckily, your buddy defended you while you were gone.

Vote: Shamrock

what the actual fuck

can you plz point me to where I was defended by Shamrock because I missed it

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[petapan]

nahh that doesn't look like a partner defense tbh