Mafia in La-La Land (Game over!)

[petapan]

your tone is fine dw

[Gammagooey]

yeah i'm just gonna give a few reads in the hopes that it will somehow make other people more willing to say words n stuff.

kondi hasn't posted since i said the last stuff about him so yeah
staeg asking konowa why he took so long to say mehdi was scum feels like scum just painting the actions of a player that other people think are scummy in a negative light
pm's last post is garbage but the jigglypuff is secretly gut-town because the early post about having to do something about its wagon is more likely to come from town (I think PM-scum in that position would either say how dumb the wagon was or discredit it in some other way instead of threatening to omgus people as a silly threat)
aaaaand out of the exxxxxxtreme lurker garbage pere is probably the worst for saying he'd say shit and then failing to do it but i'm pretty sure there are also still a few people who haven't posted once yet so yeah.

[xRECKONERx]

go to bed

[Shiidaji]

Hay reck do you like Staeg

[xRECKONERx]

i <3 staeg

[petapan]

i feel like i'm waiting for something to happen but then i can't think of what it is

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV:

When did you tell Quil you'd be V/LA?

Before the game started but after the thread was created. It was a last minute trip to the coast. (Jealousy allowed)

[DeasVail]

Konowa:

-The QT thing is the main reason I find Mehdi town, but just his overall play I've found townish as well.

-Re: talking out of both sides of my mouth- Because that's what I think? If I was to look at how often scum attack popular townreads compared to how often town do the same, I think it's fairly likely that town would more often do it, but I don't think it's

that

unlikely for scum to do it, and I think you're scum.

-Please answer my question too. Blastoide and Seastorm have said similar things.

~~

I'll try explaining my thoughts on Konowa a bit better later.

PEDit: Was it before or after the Role PM?

[PeregrineV]

@Reck- Have no fear, I don't think you're town.

Luckily, your buddy defended you while you were gone.

Vote: Shamrock

[PeregrineV]

@Inox- Why don't you go ahead and try some of those walls you were talking about.

[DeasVail]

Ugh, I keep getting all unsure, but here is what I think anyway.

So, the main things are:

-He wasn't really interested in why mehdi voted Reck, and instead just uses it to attack him. (I'm becoming less sure that this is a good point though)
-221 is something that I do think is scummy because of

"I guess what my point is, is that I read posts like that as null and then later review once said player has started playing."

, which I feel is just careful justifying of his unvote.
-289: Here he says that since no one agrees with Mehdi-scum he's obviously doing something wrong. I actually think this is really scummy because the kind of attitude contradicts with him attacking Mehdi in the first place, and also seems like an easy way to justify no longer having a scumread on Mehdi.

BUT:

He appears unaware that anyone other than Shii called him town for attacking Mehdi. I was thinking this could be scum trying to look town in this way, but I don't think it's all that likely, and I think it's likely he would be aware of opinions of him as scum. I do tend to call people town for bad reasons though, so I'd like opinions on this, especially since I actually think the last point for him being scum is good.

[Konowa]

I will answer once you clarify.

-221 is something that I do think is scummy because of

"I guess what my point is, is that I read posts like that as null and then later review once said player has started playing."

, which I feel is just careful justifying of his unvote.

What are you referring to here? Better, which post do you believe I am referring to?

[DeasVail]

Reck's post?

[Konowa]

Okay, for some reason I thought you were referring to something else. What I don't know. Give me a minute and I'll answer.

[Konowa]

Also, Konowa, what is your opinion on people finding you town for attacking medhi?

Other people have stated such, yes. I find nothing alignment telling out of it.

I didn't think you were referring to Reck's post, because I do not see what point you are driving here. Like, I do not see the disconnect you are trying to push. I attacked Mehdi for two reasons. One, attacking Reck's post and then backing down as soon as Shamrock applied some pressure on him. Two, he did not at that point provide any reads. All he did was ask a bunch of non-alignment motivated questions.

[Konowa]

And no Matt, I am not looking for towncred by saying my read of you is emotional. I find you scummy because you dropped your meta case on kondi (which, while I still haven't followed the links it looked like you were genuinely pushing it) and have yet to mention anything about kondi's disappearance since my wagon started or kondi's hop on my wagon. However, you are being an asshat and it is affecting my ability to read you.

[4nxi3ty]

Vote: Konowa

Matt is leaning scum (his condescending attitude is likely influencing this). Drops off the kondi wagon and is now in tunnelvision mode, ignoring kondi completely.
Staeg I am unsure of. I do not see why originally he would prompt me for reasoning and now that I have provided he questions why I waited.

Shamrock, regarding Blastoide I know he said why he voted Bitmap over you at the time. However, my point is that when reading that post it still seems that he has a stronger position on you being scum than Bitmap. I do not follow the train of thought here is all.

this looks like he is laying ground work to tie matt to possible buddy kondi. Same thing with blastoide and bitmap.

If the konowa lynch doesn't go through today I would prefer a bitmap lynch over kondi.

[Konowa]

What?

[4nxi3ty]

hmm?

[Konowa]

Explain what your quoted makes me scum. Especially how the two scenarios you are quoting are vastly different, but are the same thing to you.

[4nxi3ty]

scum sometimes try to tie their buddies to others.

both scenario's are actually quite similar -- You are taking a scummy person (kondi&bitmap) and basically implying that another person's interaction with said person is suspect

And no Matt, I am not looking for towncred by saying my read of you is emotional. I find you scummy because you dropped your meta case on kondi (which, while I still haven't followed the links it looked like you were genuinely pushing it) and have yet to mention anything about kondi's disappearance since my wagon started or kondi's hop on my wagon. However, you are being an asshat and it is affecting my ability to read you.

heavy implication of kondi!scum here, why is vote still on PM?

what is your read of bitmap?

[Shamrock]

Konowa can you be more specific about why you changed your read on Mehdi?

[Konowa]

If what you said is true, then wouldn't following your logic you be stating Shamrock and Blastoide.
The only thing kondi has done that is scummy to me is disappear since my wagon took off. I believe that PM's cheering from the sideline is scummier though.
I have no read on Bitmap, other than he is low-content.

[Konowa]

I don't think I can be more specific that I had to re-assess. I would like to think that I am fairly decent at catching scum, so [insert reason here of why I thought Mehdi was scum]. So the fact that no one else saw what I saw as scummy, I had to take a step back.

[MattP]

I don't think I can be more specific that I had to re-assess. I would like to think that I am fairly decent at catching scum, so [insert reason here of why I thought Mehdi was scum]. So the fact that no one else saw what I saw as scummy, I had to take a step back.

Hey Konowa, I'm notorious for being a meta kinda guy. Can you show me an example of a game where you had a scumread on someone and backtracked because people disagreed with it?