Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Nikanor]

/in
mastin, can you talk in txtspeek for this game please? For old times sake. C:

[Nikanor]

NIKANOR. <33

Can we please organize a policy lynch on this guy? Reference available upon request. (HINT: READ FIRE EMBLEM MAFIA.)

[Nikanor]

Pro-kondi?
Pro-Fire Emblem?

Oh gods no. Anti-anti-anti-those things. Triple negative!

I guess I could turn my upside-down to make a <3.
<3

[Nikanor]

E4.

Vote: Toogeloo.

[Nikanor]

Magua, can you please stop with the subliminal stuff? It makes your posts kinda hard to read.

[Nikanor]

I really doubt that
a) Our choices have anything to do with the roles we got
b) Toog is town
c) mastin is scum

[Nikanor]

I picked:
Black/White
Coloured
Non-lantern

I got non-lantern, so I'm really doubting that claiming this stuff is going to help us.

[Nikanor]

Why is Guy a miller, inHim?

[Nikanor]

Pretty sure thats not how it works, or thats what i got from my PM at least.

How sure is "pretty sure"? Is this an actual counterclaim? Since you've already made it obvious that you're a white lantern you should ask for more detailed information from vezok. If white lantern PMs are worded in a specific way we can potentially clear a couple of people.

Toog is scum, etc. Probably not going to unvote him ever.
I'll be voting Toasty once Toog is dead, though.

[Nikanor]

If white lantern PMs are worded in a specific way we can potentially clear a couple of people.

Just don't get yourself modkilled.

[Nikanor]

@hiplop: Does your role PM say that you are/will become a white lantern, though?

[Nikanor]

Eh, I can see vezok overassuming some things about his role. Him claiming WL doesn't make him scum.

[Nikanor]

Trust me on this? I cant really say much about it, but i know what it means >_<

What else is there to say? You've already stated that, based on your role PM, it's possible for people to assume that they are WL. I think I know vezok better than you do, and that absolutely sounds like the kind of thing that vezok would do.

[Nikanor]

lolMoI.

Implying one of them is lying. I lean Nikanor actually. Though I'm not sure what their reason for lying could be.

It's possible that I'm a white lantern, but I doubt it. tans could be lying I guess, but I don't know why he'd do that.

[Nikanor]

@Toog:
E4 is a chess move.
I voted you for your reaction to LLD's "goon-slip". Not your vote, but your first post. Looking at it in iso, the transition between your first and second posts looks really insincere.
Why do you not have a serious vote down yet?

[Nikanor]

Go to Wikipedia and look up “White Lantern Corps” under the “Members” and “Labors of the Twelve” sections look to see if your character is listed. Report back with a simple Yes or No.

Oh.
Yes.

[Nikanor]

Anyways Nika, I don't like you overassuming that you know vezok. I hate it when people bring meta into games. Meta is the worst reason for or against someone.

I'd argue that meta is the most useful tool in mafia but you seem like a dogmatist so w/e.

[Nikanor]

Also my list is better because it is in colour and doesn't use [quote] tags.

[Nikanor]

It's in my notes, duh. I'm just not posting it until it's complete.

[Nikanor]

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME REALLY SLOWLY WHY ANDRIUS IS SCUMMY BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT AT ALL.
Seriously there are five people on the wagon and about thirty people (at least half of which are probably scum) saying "yup Andy sure is scummy!" without voting him. Nobody else finds that a bit suspicious?

Blackest night ended.

In THIS universe, maybe. But you have to remember... this is a DC game.

[Nikanor]

^This is Tar talking, right?

[Nikanor]

Lyncher+cult would be weird.

The thing that worries me about mass nameclaim is that it reveals a lot about each person's roles. For example, when you claimed Larfleeze I looked the character up on wikipedia and that made it pretty clear that you are probably some kind of ability thief. If someone claims Saint Walker, we can probably say goodbye to our doctor, and if someone claims Swamp Thing, we can probably say goodbye to the white lanterns ever becoming activated, etc etc.

[Nikanor]

I would totally be up for a lantern/non-lantern MC though.

[Nikanor]

oh holy shit that clears things up
who else just got a pm?

[Nikanor]

Okay.
MOD PM MASONRY? FRIEND AND MUFFIN AND NIKANOR AGAINST THE WORLD

[Nikanor]

Oh man this is fucking awesome.
TIME TO LYNCH TOOGELOO. MASON TWIN POWERS ACTIVATE. FORM OF, VOTING TOOGELOO.

[Nikanor]

stfu toast you weren't invited to the party this time

[Nikanor]

Are you voting Toogeloo??

[Nikanor]

dana just made a mistake and sent a copy to the wrong person. That doesn't really say one thing or another about Toasty's role.

[Nikanor]

Well yeah you're voting for him.
Actually now that I check muffins is too.

[Nikanor]

hmm okay.
Toasty's town now so the people who were voting for him have to move to Toog.
tia.

[Nikanor]

Which leads me to the Toasty-is-Town conclusion.

I got there first.
You're wrong about Friend, though; he's town, as is everyone else on the Toog wagon.

[Nikanor]

Hey nopoint if you trust in me you probably shouldn't be voting for Toasty right now.

Vote: ooba for reasons that have been mentioned--his deadline's running out soon, also, so we should see some fun stuff soon.

So why are you voting for him BEFORE he provides his stuff?

Sorry guys, catching up. Missed this game due to mixing it up with a bunch of recently closed minis getting bumped on my wall of topics as they got closed...

Are we supposed to believe this?

[Nikanor]

ooba, there is no way in hell that anyone from our masonry is a CR. Mafia, maaaaaaybe. But not CR.

[Nikanor]

I don't understand why people think that they can tell one type of scum from another on day one with no flips.
HUMILITY IS DEAD.

[Nikanor]

Right. I'm one of the twelve labour folks. Like Heracles and stuff.

[Nikanor]

Are you guys actually claiming some sort of mod guilty on Toog?

Yes.

[Nikanor]

My mason buddies will back me up on this one. Since I'm claiming the guilty, I might as well claim everything else as well.
My mason buddies and I are all a part of the Justice League. In my role PM, I was told that between myself and the other Leaguers, we have a day inspection to use. I was the first one to send in the inspection, I guess, because I sent in the inspection on Toogeloo at the beginning of d1 and got Hostile. I think that all of my fellow Leaguers got the same PM as well, but I didn't figure this out until after the mod PM.
The "mod PM" (roughly) confirmed to us that everyone in the League is town. I used that opportunity to confirm a couple of my fellow Leaguers.

FFS FRIEND STFU

[Nikanor]

Well *I'm* both. Not sure about anyone else in the masonry because I wasn't told their roles. There is some overlap, but I don't think there is going to be very much overlap.

[Nikanor]

How many Friends and Enemies games did you play at GoofBash?

[Nikanor]

There's a myriad of large themes with masonries greater than two members.
And lying about being masons here would be fucking insane, so.

[Nikanor]

It's because you're scum and everyone knows it.
I'm also guessing either a) you have no buddies to build a counterwagon, or b) your buddies are bussing.

And that is the worst fakeclaim ever ftr.

[Nikanor]

The guilty is real. Friend was lying wen he said it was a joke.
Sublim, the claim is garbage. Toog probably has something that will help his faction if he lives another night (i.e. recruit, vanillization, any investigative role). I say we trust the confirmed town's guilty cop result and lynch the obvious scum before he gets a chance to do anything.

[Nikanor]

JUSTICE LEAGUE.

Vote: ooba.

[Nikanor]

Okay, ooba:
a) Whence are you getting the idea that Toog could target someone during the day? I don't see "day janitor" in his role, do you?
b) One-shot governor on a two-player cult team would be a decent way to reduce the likelihood of the CR being lynched d1.

Everyone else: Please stop referring to ooba as a PR. Governor is hardly useful to the town.

[Nikanor]

You think Tans is in a two-player cult team with me?

wtf, no. I think tans is town, and I think you're

[Nikanor]

FAKECLAIMING

[Nikanor]

Rolename. I think you're actually a governor (it would be pretty stupid to fakeclaim a provable role that is absolutely useless to the town), I just don't think you're Lex Luthor or town.

[Nikanor]

ooba:
-1sGov+2sJan is not OP for scum when we have double day in effect.
-Giving the scum "bulletproof townie" as a fakeclaim would be pretty terrible as well, but that didn't stop dana from doing it in BNM. dana isn't known for providing good fakeclaims.

Can someone vig ToastyToast tonight please?

[Nikanor]

Personally, I think there are three cults and two mafia teams.

[Nikanor]

Also I can't believe you guys actually bought the fake guilty.
LOL SANE MASON DAY COP.
It worked out well though.

[Nikanor]

SCUM:
Andrius
Candle
nopoint
Kast
marco/

Ghost

Like I said. nopoint is obv-scum. I'm definitely not wrong there. I want to hear more people's thoughts on the rest of my five, here.

You're wrong on Andy and Candle. They should be replaced by Apok and ooba. I agree with you on the other three. I think there are four more mafia left and two cult, so I'll say the sixth scum is someone who hasn't posted much.

[Nikanor]

Votecount 1.1.5

ooba (6) - WeyounsLastClone, Candle Jack, nopointinactingup, Toogeloo, Andrius, Apokalyptika

Toogeloo (5) - Nikanor, Lady Lambdadelta, zMuffinMan, Friend, vezokpiraka

Andrius (3) - mastin2, Mr. Subliminal, inHimshallibe

vezokpiraka (2) - ooba, hiplop
nopointinactingup (1)- ToastyToast
Candle Jack (1) - tanstalas


Not Voting (6) - FrozenMirror, Kast, marco1610, Ghostwriter, kondi2424, Oversoul

nopoint's #350 vote was not counted due to a lack of unvote.

You will find Red Scum on these two wagons, I guarantee.

I can't see more than 2 red scum on Ooba, so One of {Apok,NoPoint,Tar,WLC} Discounting Andrius BECAUSE

There's another red scum on Andrius' wagon. One in {Mastin, Sub, inHim}

I have town reads on Mastin and Subliminal.

So, inHim is scum.

You're making too many assumptions. Why is there one scum on the Andy wagon here?

[Nikanor]

Holy shit just ISOd you, you haven't done

anything

.

I know, to be honest the mechanics of this game have me pretty lost. I've never played with a cult before and I have never played with a double voting mechanic.

And that leaves you completely incapable of scumhunting?

[Nikanor]

Holy shit just ISOd you, you haven't done

anything

.

I know, to be honest the mechanics of this game have me pretty lost. I've never played with a cult before and I have never played with a double voting mechanic.

And that leaves you completely incapable of scumhunting?

No, but having the cult fuck up my reads and recruit someone without me knowing makes me tentative.

And that affects your day one scumhunting in what way?

PEDIT: Ninjad. :\
Sublim: I already told you there's two cults. One is daycult and the other is nightcult. This isn't called Brightest DAY for nothing you know.

[Nikanor]

Black Cult + White Cult + Red Mafia + Yellow Mafia + Orange Mafia + Green Mafia.
The only townies are the JUSTICE LEAGUE.


Seriously though there's probably only Black Cult + Red Mafia. MAYBE Yellow Mafia, but that is stretching.

[Nikanor]

Your rage is unconvincing.

This needs to be made into a smiley.

Why isn't Yellow Mafia?

Three scumteams in a 24 player game? I understand that this is double day, but really.

LLD: I KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS CAN I GUESS.

[Nikanor]

It's Oversoul!

And I'm going to be posting colours later on for VCA. Screw the rules, I have Justice.

[Nikanor]

I MEAN, CLEARLY I'M NOT GOOD ENOUGH AT THIS GAME TO BE RIGHT.

You were already right on Toog so stfu.

[Nikanor]

null:
I want to put Ooba here, but I haven't made up my mind. I find his Lex Luthor claim believable, but after I looked at a wiki article on him I think his alignment could change to SK with a BLkilling wincon

yo dawg I heard you like fencesitting so I put a fence in your fence so you could fencesit while you fencesit

[Nikanor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/lambdadelta

[Nikanor]

You're reading too much into it.

nopoint: mastin's stretching would be scummy if he weren't mastin. Your vote isn't baseless, but it is pointless.

[Nikanor]

FrozenMirror
nopointinactingup
Mr. Subliminal
inHimshallibe
Why haven't you claimed your choices yet?

[Nikanor]

There are enough (three, at least) white lanterns outed already for that not to be an issue. At this point it's better to just finish up choice claiming to lock everyone in.

[Nikanor]

HIS BEHAVIOR SUGGESTS MAFIA AND I WANT TO LYNCH THE CULT LEADER TODAY AND THAT CULT LEADER IS PROBABLY APOK

If that were the case you wouldn't have unvoted Apok and stated intent to hammer ooba.

Seriously, is it possible to have a role where one hydra head is town and the other is scum? Because I'm starting to wonder given the way Ludi is acting lately.

Smooth.

[Nikanor]

CJ's vote has to be stuck, because otherwise his unvote would have counted.

[Nikanor]

CJ I assume you're claiming ignorance to this whole votesticking business?

[Nikanor]

Sorry, picked up my prod. Relatively caught up. Actually not sure what took so long for the Ooba lynch to reach this point. Probably has something to do with all that pointless LLD suspicion being thrown around, despite the fact that she's damn near confirmed town based on some of her earliest posts. Also, just to see if I understand this, I'm scum because I assumed people were taking what I had also assumed was a mod error (what with me getting a deleted PM from the mod and such) to be mod-confirmation of town status? A status that several people are now challenging? Before the messages went out, I had a scummy read on Friend. But, no, he got a message, he's tots safe though no one knows what the message said. However it's cool to suspect CJ after finding out he got the same message? Seems hypocritical to me.

But speaking of CJ, I'm assuming we're waiting to see what the heck is going on with his vote not going through?

People don't suspect LLD.
I've told you what the message said. If you think *I'm* lying scum sticking my neck out for Friend, I laugh at you.
CJ got a message?
You're scum because you're lurking both actively and otherwise. Your last post is both completely pointless and wrong.
And yes I'm waiting for a vote count.

Unvote. Vote: Apok.
Unvote. Vote: ooba.

[Nikanor]

Tar: Which role are you thinking of?

[Nikanor]

No, CJ's unvote wasn't counted, and I was able to unvote Apok, so something is up with CJ's vote. I don't think it has to do with CJ's role, because otherwise ML wouldn't have tried to hammer like that. Someone must have glued CJ's vote in place. Does anyone want to claim that?

[Nikanor]

If anything, what just happened makes him significantly MORE town.

Actually, I just realised something.
Ludi's hammer attempt makes him very likely to be scum.
ooba is likely mafia.
The vote-freezing ability is likely from mafia.
10000 points to the guy who figures out what that makes CJ.

Unvote. Vote: CandleJack.

[Nikanor]

Also, It makes him town.

No, it just makes him not-mafia.
See where I'm going yet?

It could be a passive ability, which is what I was thinking. Like, placing a vote on said person freezes it.

That would be a terrible role.

[Nikanor]

What will make you understand? Look at it this way:
Under the assumption that cj is town, would he have tried to hammer ooba while ooba was v/la? No. Can you get that? Understand that it's still possible that he's of a different mafia faction from ooba, but that's unlikely. Like as not he's cult recruiter. That's what I'm saying. A possibility still exists for him to be othermafia, but again, I doubt that there is more than one mafia team because then the mafia teams would be too small to deal with cult effectively. By this logic, cj is cult.
Let's vote cj now, okay? Excellent.

[Nikanor]

CJ is probcult so we're lynching him first.
I'd like if we lynched CJ before ooba gets back on the off-chance that ooba is a cult governor, but it's not really THAT big a deal.

[Nikanor]

Someone claim that kill for CONFIRMED TOWN STATUS.
PEDIT: mastin >.>

This.
Although I think I know who was shot.

[Nikanor]

CLAIM THAT SHOT NOW.
CLAIM IT CLAIM IT CLAIM IT.
TOWN =/= BULLETPROOF.
FOR FURTHER EVIDENCE READ LAST GAME.
BULLETPROOFS WERE SCUM, SCUM, AND SCUM.

Actually I'm bulletproof so this theory is terrible. Scum probably tried to daykill me.

[Nikanor]

Wouldn't you be informed you had lost your bulletproofness, though?

I'm not one-shot bp, but there are ~*stipulations*~.

CJ is still scum.

[Nikanor]

predit: I'm not seeing CJ scum. I really like Tar's work throughout the game. Is there a case out there?

Ludi's hammer attempt makes him very likely to be scum.
ooba is likely mafia.
The vote-freezing ability is likely from mafia.
10000 points to the guy who figures out what that makes CJ.

[Nikanor]

Wait, people still haven't figured out that our so-called Masons are actually a Vehmgericht?

No, I am actually a bulletproof sane day cop mason of Justice.

Ludi's hammer attempt

This is enough.

[Nikanor]

I THINK I KNOW WHO WAS SHOT AND THAT PERSON IS DEFINITELY TOWN.

And whoever shot needs to claim it NOW.

Are you being serious? >_>
And are you saying that I was likely the person who was shot or are you referring to someone else?

P.S. You should vote Candle Jack for Great Justice.

[Nikanor]

So we have a day serial killer. How wonderful.

Vote: CandleJack.

I'm starting to think that CJ is mafia, now that I know ooba was town. I think it was a really stupid distancing gambit between CJ and the vote-gluer. Why else would CJ be picked specifically?

[Nikanor]

Sublim, I'm going to answer last, because of :timing:.

[Nikanor]

Actually I'll say that I did get my ring, but that I didn't get it from you.

[Nikanor]

Did someone claim a guilty on the first person that was lynched?

Yeah, that was me.

[Nikanor]

I invited Blackberry. <3

CJ: 2
Andrius: 2
Oversoul: 2
nopoint: 2
Everyone else: 1
So thats our lynch pool.

No, we're lynching someone else today.

[Nikanor]

Do you guys KNOW this know this or is this just spec? Because it makes sense with the failed kill D1 thing D1.

I got a Serial Killer result on Toasty at the beginning of the day.

[Nikanor]

...............

[Nikanor]

He's an SK so we're just going to direct his shots dude.

[Nikanor]

This is quickly becoming my favourite game of all time.

[Nikanor]

Oh My God.
Blackberry has a Death Note.
Get 'im boys.

[Nikanor]

To answer some questions we have received: All non-town flips will be clearly identified as non-town in the flip. Colors and alignment are for flavor purposes only.

If this were true, Toog would have been town. Can you just put "Town" or "Mafia" or "Cult" at the beginning of everyone's roles for consistency please?

[Nikanor]

Hey Sublim, I'm gonna vote for X when I get home in about two hours, if it's all the same to you.

[Nikanor]

Holy teacups Batman these people are dense.
The investigations were faked. They always were. What kind of a cop would get Serial Killer on a target?
There is no Justice League, either. That was a lie to cover up the real nature of the mod PMs.
Toasty is probably a Mafia Jailkeeper who wanted to block me for last night. He knew I was faking the result, so he claimed Jailkeeper hoping that I'd be lynched and that it would clear him.
What he didn't realise when he claimed is that there is no town motivation for jailkeeping a claimed bulletproof mason last night.
So Toasty is caught scum.

Still waiting on Sublim so that we can lynch X though.

[Nikanor]

Well there is no JUSTICE LEAGUE OF ULTIMATE MASONRY is what I mean. I made that up. :3

lol@hiplop.

P-Edit: Andy: It pretty much confirms Toasty as scum but I want to see the mafia QT just to know what the hell they were thinking when they chose to block me.
Toasty: I claimed unlimited bulletproof with ~*stipulations*~ back on d1. READ READ READ READ.

[Nikanor]

Although I do want Nikanor to answer my question: Do you detect everything? Why get a "Hostile" and then get a "SK" result?

Fine Mr. Death Note, I'll answer your questions about my inspection ability.

The ability's name is Scumhunting. Each day, I may claim a guilty result on someone. The results I can get are, "scum," "mafia," "hostile," "cult," "sk," and "third-party." If I target town, I lose this ability.

[Nikanor]

I'm kidding about the Death Note thing. I doubt dana would use a DN in this game.

For those of you who don't know, Death Note is a Tar thing. Basically, it lets the holder of the DN kill any player who reveals the name of one of his abilities.

[Nikanor]

xD
Blackberry, it's a joke. I'm not actually a cop at all.

[Nikanor]

I might cut you, with like, a giant sized dagger-scythe that hurts. And is inked with poison and poison ivy and my white bliss.

It will itch and sting but at least it will be creamy smooth.
Hit me up.

[Nikanor]

I'm willing to lynch Nik now. If he's scum, and we leave him, we'll be in martyr syndrom and if he's jsut an arrogant ad ballsy townie who's willing to fake claim SK results on someone he thinks is MAFIA Jailkeeper, then he's a retard that made a false clai mdesigned to keep mafia alive longer and lull the town into a foolish assumption.

How does my play have anything to do with martyr syndrome?
The REASON for why I'm playing ballsy as fuck is because I know I can't be nk'd by the scum. My 'inspection' claim on Toog was part of that. I thought that Toasty had a decent chance of being an SK from his "Notes:" line in his 852, so I claimed an SK result on him to see how he'd react (note that I didn't actually know he was a jailkeeper until AFTER I claimed the SK result on him). I thought if he was town, he'd realize that I'm just being an asshat and ignore me, but if he actually was an SK he'd flip the fuck out on me. When he went and claimed Jailkeeper, I realized that he's probably mafia.
And seriously anyone with a brain could see that I was faking the second investigation, considering I had claimed BULLETPROOF already who faked a result the day before, so there should have been no harm in claiming an SK result.

[Nikanor]

I'm supposed to automatically know that your faking a result? I also don't recall you saying anywhere that your result D1 was fake b4 your shitty gambit continued.

I said it on day one after the Toog lynch.

A claim is a claim, and as such its the proper reaction to say why that claim is impossible. What was I supposed to, just say "LOLFAKE" and watch myself get lynched? Was I supposed to keep my alignment secret?

I wasn't trying to get you lynched (as I recall, I was trying to get Andy to unvote you), so yes you could have just said "LOLFAKE".

I chose you because I thought if you were town you would be the target of a NK, as "someone had tried to kill you." Obviously if you had a permanent bulletproof, it means you have lied on multiple occasions. So yeah, there's no way in hell you are going to get my trust back, and I'm not going to blindly be led by your bullshit.

I never once lied about how many bulletproof shots I had. How closely are you reading?

Put yourself in my situation. Someone you blocked claims they get an investigative result on you. The result they get is completely incorrect. And your telling me that an over-reaction = scummy? With Andrius creating a shitstorm how was I supposed to keep quiet?

The very definition of over-reaction makes it scummy, so yeah.
And the point I'm trying to make is that you're mafia who thought that I was cult fakeclaiming an SK result on you. You jump right on me thinking that I'm cult, assuming you'll get town cred when I flip scum.
I think that if you were a town jailkeeper, you wouldn't have voted me, for one. If you were town, you would have simply denied being an SK and would not have needed to claim to back that up. Instead, you went into "cop's got a guilty on me" panic mode, claimed, and voted for the person who claimed a guilty on you. You can see that exact behaviour from scum in any newbie game with a claimed cop guilty. It is very typical, and it's how I know you're scum.

[Nikanor]

Whatever, I'm done waiting for Sublim and hiplop is confirmed scum.

Unvote. Vote: hiplop.

[Nikanor]

You think they gave scum fake WL PMs?

That is the only possibility, unfortunately. It's pretty obvious that MrSublim is fake-claiming MrEntity. No White Rings actually went out. hiplop claims to have received his, so he's scum.

[Nikanor]

If he actually is a WL, he got one and should be able to paraphrase it. If he can't, he's scum, but if he can, I'm not going to rule out the possibility of dana giving scum the PM.
I mean it can't hurt, but I doubt it'll help.

[Nikanor]

Hey Kast2 I know it probably trips your thirteen-year-old ego to come into a forum of strangers as a temporary replacement and start calling people retards but I'd appreciate if you would stop. tia.

[Nikanor]

Blackberry, you aren't actually scumhunting right now.

Unvote. Vote: Apokalyptika.

Getting bored. We can probably win just through PoE.
Does anyone know if the cultists died with the cult leader in Blackest Night?

[Nikanor]

[Nikanor]

Vote: GhostWriter.

Can we go two for two today?

[Nikanor]

Blocking the mafia doesn't really help us. They probably have another three members at least, so we'd have to block all three of them to stop the mafia kill. Rather, we should aim at people who might be the cult leader, to minimize recruitment chances. My list of potential cult leaders is:
WLC
Peregrine
Oversoul

vezok, CJ and Toasty are all likely mafia. I don't think they'd make good block targets.

[Nikanor]

Flavour reasons, balance reasons, etc. Outguessing the mod will get us nowhere, as I learned when ooba flipped town, even though his role was useless for town.

I think you're mafia because you delayed someone who you didn't mention at all d1. I think that someone decided your action for you.

[Nikanor]

I think the idea is that, if you publicly pick 3 players to block, and mafia know who the 3 are, unless you manage to pick all the mafia players, then they will choose a non-blocked mafioso to make the kill. To compound that, if at least one of {Andy, Toast} is mafia, then he can pretend to block his target, but actually let the target take actions with town none the wiser, and maybe even make the kill himself.

This is correct, although I'd add that I find it likely that there are at least four more mafiosi.

As I trust Tans and Toast, I would suggest rather than publicly coordinating who exactly you are targeting, instead you assign Andy's target, and maybe Toast's target, but not to announce your target. Furthermore, if we manage to lynch CR, then consider assigning Andy and Toast secondary targets to block based on likelihood of mafia, rather than likelihood of cult.

I thought we were operating under the assumption of a backup cult recruiter, in which case we should still aim for cult even if the CR is lynched.

Andy, tans: Who do YOU want to block tonight?

[Nikanor]

We're gonna be lynching GhostWriter today, so you can block WLC.

[Nikanor]

Andy, we have two scum dead and I'm suggesting we have four more....
And it's double day, 24p. I'd be very surprised if there weren't at least six mafia.

[Nikanor]

Friend, vote GW. For JUSTICE.

[Nikanor]

Nik why the hell is CJ mafia? Because I don't see it and pages ago I asked for a case and no one gave it to me so unless you've got MASONREASONS to think so then NO. I've already said why I think he's town enough to go blue (kekeke) so yeah.

I think the stuff with CJ's vote on d1 was a gambit. I think that CJ tried to hammer ooba like he did KNOWING that the vote wouldn't go through. It was pretty clear that Apok was going to be lynched on d2 or d3, so desperate distancing like that would have been Apok's first choice of action (especially when you consider the situation the mafia are in right now).

Nik, I KNOW ITS DOUBLEDAY

But if they balanced the game by putting in 6+ scum just for the purpose of numbers then that's a crappy job of balance. MORE SCUM DOES NOT A BALANCED GAME MAKE.

25% mafia is not a lot when you consider the fact that they have to deal with cult, double day and an SK.
The only way I'd believe five mafia is if our daykiller is actually mafia.

[Nikanor]

I'm not saying seven mafia! I'm saying six mafia. Big difference.

Ok I missed the whole vote-didnt-move shenanigans but if he voted INTHREAD why wouldn't it move unless he/scumbuddy targeted himself with a vote-thingy for distancing?

Apok used his vote steal on CJ. That is a fact. What I don't understand is why he'd use it on a) a person not generally thought to be town, and b) a person voting for him. If I were Apok, I wouldn't use that ability on the guy voting for me, for fear that it would trace back to me. The best explanation for why he used it on CJ is distancing.

[Nikanor]

Unvote.
Vote: Ghostwriter

And hell, since scum would be retarded not to take notes, I'm going to share mine.

- nopointinactingup-town via Friend
- Kast-
- Andrius- vig claim
- Candle Jack-
- WeyounsLastClone-
-

marco1610

Blackberry
- hiplop- town via Friend
- Mr. Subliminal- Claimed Entity-White lantern stuff
- GhostWriter
- ToastyToast-claimed town JK
- vezokpiraka-claim town vote-freezer
- tanstalas-claimed town powerstealer
-

Bogre

Friend-town via Friend
- Nikanor-town via Friend
- zMuffinMan- town via Friend
-

kondi2424

PeregrineV- town
- inHimshalibe- claimed Miller
- Oversoul-claimed one-shot something

So, it would also be super great if the 5-man Mason team can each and every one of you verify that you are indeed MASONS and not NEIGHBORS.

This is a really terrible post.
How about giving us some reads?

[Nikanor]

It's the notes. It's fluff, and half of them are wrong anyway.
AND I've already said that the masons are not actually masons. We're just all very, very likely to be town.

[Nikanor]

So if we go
ToastyToast: OverToast
tans: WLC
Andrius: PeregrineV
Do you three find that acceptable?

[Nikanor]

um well unless I missed something we're aiming for the cult recruiter and he's going to try to recruit someone regardless. I don't see how not getting this stuff into the open will help.

[Nikanor]

You realize that there are only nine potential blocking candidates, yes?
- Kast
- Candle Jack
- WeyounsLastClone
- Blackberry
- Mr. Subliminal
- vezokpiraka
- PeregrineV
- inHimshalibe
- Oversoul

If we divide this into three it's going to be pretty obvious as to who each person will block anyway, so I don't see the benefit to your plan.
Also, if we tell the blockers who to block, it completely locks in their night action. Your plan leaves open the option for them to claim to block a scumbuddy while actually not blocking anyone.

[Nikanor]

Wow this is fun reads guys keep it up.
Seriously though Friend is not the CR so I don't care if X has a cult guilty on Friend we are not lynching him until the CR is dead. Everyone understands this, yes?
Same goes for Sublim. There is no way the CR would pull a "I'M DA ENTITY" gambit. I have him down as a possible recruit, but again, not lynching him until the CR is dead.

[Nikanor]

Also @ massclaim: not today. We can do it tomorrow morning when we have more time and lynches. I agree with your plan, Andy; I would just rather wait until we can chain two lynches together before a night phase.

[Nikanor]

Nik we don't have to wait.
Waiting killed the town in BNM.
You don't have to be afraid of the night.
We've made it through the Blackest Night.

a) We'd be MCing on day three. That's plenty early for a MC.
b) BNM wasn't double-day.
c) We don't have time for a MC right now. We have eight days until deadline. I guarantee that if we try to MC now, we'll end up NLing. Guaranfuckingteed.
d) You guys lost Blackest Night because I wasn't there so stfu.

[Nikanor]

BTW, I'm pretty sure MC can't be Cult Recruiter unless he didn't recruit last night. Writing up my theory as to why right now.

I can see MC as mafia though.

MC...?

[Nikanor]

MC = GhostWriter x_x'

I can see how you'd make that mistake. The keys are right next to each other.

I would be completely happy with the mafia shooting me tonight. With gusto, I invite the mafia to blast me into oblivion this very night!

I know I've done things like that before as scum but I got yelled at and people acted like they'd never do that as scum (during a 5-player kill the godfather game).

Oh come on that was funny.

[Nikanor]

So berry, I'm confused as to what you're trying to do here.
You're suggesting that GW is a terrible lynch, but you're not trying to form a counter-wagon. You're throwing out weak "THIS GUY MIGHT BE A RECRUIT" accusations against a half-dozen people in a way that is reminiscent of flailing. Why are you doing this? It looks like you're just trying to get rid of the GW wagon. Is this true?

[Nikanor]

Just so y'all know, I'm currently laughing at the bumpkins who believe that Andy, muffinz and Toasty are all town.
JUST SAYIN', Y'KNOW, THAT TOWN PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE THREE BLOCKING ROLES.

[Nikanor]

Speaking of Toasty being scum, I just realized something.

I FUCKING JAILKEPT Nikanor last night
That means
1) He couldn't have gotten a result on me

I also figured that, if town, you wouldn't have any more additional powers. The "cop" thing happened in the day, and you lost your bulletproof. In my mind I was essentially giving you back bulletproof status.

Post 1: At the time of Toasty's claim on early d2, Toasty claims that I couldn't have had a guilty on him because he blocked me AT NIGHT.
Post 2: Toasty claims that he blocked me n1 because he didn't think that I would have any abilities in addition to DAYcop.

If Post 1 is honest, Post 2 is false. If Post 2 is true, Post 1 is dishonest. This is what I call a CONTRADICTION, and it makes Toasty 100% confirmed scum.
I thank all of you in advance for your votes on the Toasty wagon tomorrow.
As for the people who called me stoopid for my fake guilty on Toasty... well, I guess a hater is going to hate. The haters will be forgiven provided they vote for Toasty tomorrow.

[Nikanor]

For those of you who still don't understand why Toasty claimed jailkeeper so early, I will iterate once again that Toasty panicked. Realizing that a guilty cop result means a 1 on 1 for the day, he did what any scum would do and tried to get the cop lynched first.
Unfortunately he forgot that I am an unethical townie who likes to fakeclaim day cop.

[Nikanor]

One thing to add to Toasty seeming genuine is the fact if he was SCUM he wouldn't roleblock a DAYCOP, because it's a DAYCOP, not a night cop and wouldn't make sense to roleblock.

But he could always not be a roleblocker or lying in general. I am under the notion a roleblocking scum would be honest about a target, etc., etc...

The contradiction is easier to understand when you realize that I didn't say anything about getting a result at night. Toasty role-claimed to put himself into a 1 on 1 with me (he was under the impression that he was already in a 1 on 1 with me, due to my guilty result) even though he thought that I was a day cop. He claimed that I could not have had a result on him to make me look bad and to make him look better.

If he were town who jk'd me because he thought I was a day cop, he would have assumed that I got my 'result' on him during the day, not at night.

Instead, he claimed that I could not have possibly gotten a result on him because he blocked me at night, when there was no reason to think that I was a night cop instead of a day cop.

The only reason for why he claimed to have blocked me was to make me look bad in a 1 on 1 with him.

Do you get it now?

@Toasty: Alright, I'll tango. It won't end well for you, though.
Can you explain why, when you claimed beekeeper, you thought that I was a night cop?

[Nikanor]

I FUCKING JAILKEPT Nikanor last night
That means ... he couldn't have gotten a result on me

I'm not making unfounded assumptions, Kast. This is pretty clear that Toasty was pushing the idea that I couldn't have had a result on him because he jk'd me last night.

1) He couldn't have gotten a result on me during the day because I am town so I know he's lying

This is implausible. Look at the above quote. If Toasty hadn't included the "That means" in his claim, then this conclusion would be possible.

This is BAD logic. Correction: If he were town who jk'd me because he thought I was a day cop, he would have KNOW I was lying when I claimed he wasn't town. Thus he would have KNOWN I was a liar, and should (and did) call me out on it.

Even if he were mafia, he'd have known that I was lying. The thing I'm trying to point out is that he was trying to make me look bad in what he thought was a 1 on 1.

Here, I'll make a little flowchart thingy for you guys to show you why Toasty is scum. If Toasty were town, this would have had to be his thought process:
n1)

Okay, Nik claimed day cop. That means he probably doesn't have any night actions and is a likely kill target. I'll jailkeep him tonight so that he can get another result tomorrow.

<-- I don't have any problem with this. This is a completely logical way of thinking. My problem is with the following....
d2)

Okay, Nik claimed a guilty result on me. But wait, that's impossible! I blocked him last night!

<-- This is where the problem lies. The jump from thinking that I am a night cop instead of a day cop is completely illogical. If you jailkeep someone because you think they have a day-acting role, you don't magically forget the next day that they're a day-acting role. There is no logical conclusion other than that he was trying to make me look bad.

[Nikanor]

meh, Nikanor, I don't think toasty is the play today regardless, he has a very very low chance of flipping cult recruiter, who we want to be lynching as soon as possible over possible mafia candidates.

I'm not voting for Toasty, am I?
Is Tar still around or has he flaked from site again?

[Nikanor]

Did not like Subliminal's skrewing around with the Friend vote and such.

Thanks for your valuable input, chief. See you in another week.

[Nikanor]

I cannot believe you caught me Nikanor.

Well I've had you caught for a while so you should have realized by now that you're not getting away with being scum.

You must be the best scumhunter ever.

Uh, I'm okay I guess. I'm not Paragon-level, but I like to think I'm on the upper end of average at least.

Can I bear your children?

I thought you were male?

[Nikanor]

lol?

[Nikanor]

You hit the Q+ button on everything you want to quote and then hit a quote button when you're done.

[Nikanor]

Perhaps the mafia has a recruiting ability. That would explain Unrecruitable mastin-town versus Uncultable Toog-mafia.

My boyfriend happens to be a computer hacker.

I didn't know you and shotty were a thing.

[Nikanor]

hey guys i just inspected nolynch and got town so let's not lynch him okay??

[Nikanor]

I am getting really fucking confused with your claiming shit.

sigged.

[Nikanor]

GW.

[Nikanor]

Unvote.

I need to check something.

[Nikanor]

Vote: GhostWriter.

trololol and whatnot.

[Nikanor]

I can't speak for SKrew, but I sigged that line because it sums up the slightly pissed-off reactions that I usually get when I fakeclaim stupidly (yes, I do it a lot, and usually as town).

[Nikanor]

Nikanor, why are people suspecting me? Claim an inno result or something.

I already used my inspect on nolynch. I'll inspect you tomorrow.

[Nikanor]

m?

[Nikanor]

mythos wheeee

[Nikanor]

I knew it was between mythos and mqthos, but I really didn't think you'd know mqthos.
Oh well.

[Nikanor]

I still prefer Pumpernickel Pauper. >_>

[Nikanor]

Or WHOLE WHEAT WONDER.
Maybe ToastyToast can have that one instead though.

[Nikanor]

Are we MCing our targets? Because I targeted Kast and tans last night.

Why are people eliminating others as CL based on the fact that they were RB'd? Does somebody know the number of recruits?

I'd like to MC, starting with WLC.

[Nikanor]

a) Friend was the one who confirmed npiau.
b) muffinz DID claim when the WL PM went around.

Anyway why aren't we MCing? idc who goes first.

[Nikanor]

CJ's probably mafia.
The only thing we learned from yesterday is that WLC is probnotcult. afaik the list of people who are not confirmed to not be the CR looks like this:
- Kast
- Candle Jack - probnotcult
- WeyounsLastClone - probnotcult
- Blackberry
- Mr. Subliminal
- ToastyToast - probnotcult
- vezokpiraka - probnotcult
- inHimshalibe - probnotcult
- Oversoul

Like honestly why are people eliminating Oversoul as possible CR again?

[Nikanor]

You know, I was looking at the last vote count to see why in the world people were voting for WLC. tans and Andrius are voting for him for idkwhy.
So I iso'd Andy. He isn't pushing for massclaim today, AND I found something amazing.

I targeted Subliminal last night.
So unless shenanigans then he isn't the CR.

Yeah. I'm thinking Andy was recruited by Sublim last night. Sublim wasn't on anybody's list. This looks like an excuse to 'clear' Sublim from being the CR.

Vote: MISTER SUBLIMINAL.

[Nikanor]

why the fuck am i getting drunk from one glass of rum&coke i mean it was 50/50 but stillll
ANYWAY I accidentally deleted the part where I answered Sublim by saying that CJ is likely mafia for Apok's votesteal stuff.

[Nikanor]

wtf is wrong with me i can't read right now

unvote

we really need to massclaim ffs

[Nikanor]

CJ isn't cult. CJ is mafia with Toasty, but I don't expect anyone to actually believe me. I mean, it's not as if I was right about Toog and GW. Hell I'm probably the worst goddamned player in this goddamned game. Like holy fuck I sure am terrible at scumhunting like idk why I even try like wowwww

On a different note I'm not actually reading the thread atm.

[Nikanor]

(paraphrased because I don't know how to copy-paste on a mac)We should lynch one of WLC/BB

duuuuude it's double day [/mattbridges]

Vote: WLC.

The anti-cult doctor stuff is a fakeclaim. Scout's honour. If WLC actually was an anti-cult doctor, he'd be an ambiguously named Cult Doctor, not an Anti-Cult Doctor, to follow the naming convention seen in FrozenMirror's Cult Cop role.

[Nikanor]

omg you guys lynched wlc wtf

[Nikanor]

berry, can you copy-paste it for me?
I've had pretty much no time for mafia lately. :[
AND I HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED SCHOOL YET. Q_Q

[Nikanor]

TANS.
HIPLOP.
YOU LIVE IN CANADA?
B/C NIK+TOAST+DTM+I ARE PLANNING ONE.

A MAFIA? i think people frown on that kind of thing ._.

NO.
A MEETUP.

WILL THERE BE SNACKS?

If you come, yes!

[Nikanor]

I LINKED YOU NOW RESPOND. GO!

I read the first line and was like "Yeah I already know that Toasty is scum why am I reading this?"
I'll probably be voting for Toasty for the second lynch though, if you want to get a wagon going.

[Nikanor]

SEXYKREW! =D

ohaither;)

ohaither

Can our rings mate?

OH WAIT, THEY CAN'T.

Ebony... Ivory... living in perfect harmony....

[Nikanor]

Wikipedia has made me an expert. Why?

[Nikanor]

Vote: ToastyToast.

I still don't understand why people think that CJ is cult.
Don't try to reiterate cuz I won't read it.

[Nikanor]

Oh hey are we finally MCing? Neat.

[Nikanor]

This hiplop wagon is really terrible. He's a bloody white lantern. He isn't cult leader.
Is Toasty not being lynched any more for some reason? Did he claim mason?

[Nikanor]

You're wrong about hiplop.
You should vote for somebody else.
There is a conveniently warmed-up wagon on Toasty when you are ready to join.

[Nikanor]

Did Ludi claim which type of role cop he is? Like does he see names+roles or just names or just roles or what?

[Nikanor]

i think that the cult recruiter is able to predict who people will target
trololol

[Nikanor]

YOU CAN't RESISTE LE CHAT

[Nikanor]

inb4 modkill of SOMEONE
OMG PIZZA IS EADY WTF
omg th3ere's a cat on my back

[Nikanor]

Unvote. Vote: Mr Subliminal.

If Sublim isn't the recruiter, Toasty can JK Ludi tonight.

Looking at nopoint's flip, I'm thinking that recruits are vanillized. Therefore even if the cult recruited Andy or tans, they wouldn't have a roleblock.

[Nikanor]

ha i posted before you prodded me

[Nikanor]

erm I mean I'm not lurking.

[Nikanor]

Vote: ToastyToast.

Blackberry, it's impossible for me to be CR unless Toasty is my buddy. If I'm CR, my only buddy on d2 would have been nopoint.
Unless you want to subscribe to the theory that Toasty is a backup cult recruiter, in which case you should be voting for him instead of me.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor - if toasty is CR - who blocked OS night 2?

Toasty is the CR. Oversoul is a backup CR/n0 recruit.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor - can you replace out if all you're goIng to do is lurk and not pay attention to anything?

Nobody is going to want to play in a 120 page game. I won't leave danadekes trying to find a replacement.

@Oversoul: I skimmed your post, saw, "Nikanor is CR," lol'd a bit, then skipped the rest of the post. Was there actually anything important there?

[Nikanor]

I am hunting for the CR.
What makes you think that Toasty isn't the CR?

[Nikanor]

If you think that the cult started with only one member in double day then you are just a silly goose.
I think that there is probably a backup CR. Oversoul is it.

[Nikanor]

Also, Nikanor, if OS is back-up CR, then how did OS know he was roleblocked Night 1? The recruit obviously went through, yet OS knew his action hadn't gone through.

Response to that?

vezok claimed his delay before Oversoul claimed that he got no result. It's probable that Oversoul is just corroborating vezok's claim so that he looks more town.

And why wouldn't there be a backup CR? I don't see how it would be balanced if there wasn't some sort of system to prevent the cult from losing on day one.

[Nikanor]

Plus even if Oversoul were backup recruiter, claiming Toasty went nowhere doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Where else would he track Toasty? To Ludi? Ludi's a role cop so that wouldn't work. To me? That doesn't work because I'm confirmed to not be CR by Toasty.

Look, the only way that OS and Toasty are both telling the truth is if there is a MyStErY rOlEbLoCkEr somewhere out there that decided to block the jailkeeper who was going to target Ludi. Which would mean that Ludi is mafia, which would mean that the only possible CR is Toasty. QED, etc.

[Nikanor]

I think Nik's been culted. His lurkiness and not being here isn't typical, and it'd explain his sudden shift in activity over D3/D4.

I was inactive on d3 because of school starting. And it's actually impossible for me to have been culted any night but last night, so this theory is bunk.

Your turn Nikanor. How CAN Toasty be the CR when Oversoul claimed he was blocked N2 and we know that the first two recruits were the two people that are dead (i.e., OS couldn't be a recruit Day 2)?

n0 recruit and/or backup recruiter. Pay attention.

Look, the only way that OS and Toasty are both telling the truth is if there is a MyStErY rOlEbLoCkEr somewhere out there that decided to block the jailkeeper who was going to target Ludi. Which would mean that Ludi is mafia, which would mean that the only possible CR is Toasty. QED, etc.

This means that Toasty and Oversoul should be in a 1v1. The fact that they're not voting each other should be evidence enough that they are cult together.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor. Do you realize how much you're contradicting yourself in ur first paragraph and 2nd paragraph. The logic that you are attacking people for using is the same logic you're claiming you can't be culted (but I think u are CR)

Andy was saying that I was recruited on n2, which is impossible. I agree with you that it is not possible for anyone to have been culted on n1 or n2.

Pedit: Okay Toasty, give me one conclusion other than a) a MYSTERY ROLEBLOCKER in addition to our two claimed blocking roles (plus muffinz's), or b) You and OS being cult together.

[Nikanor]

Ludi, before I vote for you, do you have any explaining to do?

[Nikanor]

Come on my claim(s) were awesome.

Sorry for dropping out, but Flakanors will be Flakanors, etc. Going to be taking a much-needed break after a certain game ends.

Anyway I don't see how anyone can call bad modding on this game. I think the setup was balanced and the modding was consistent.