Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Nikanor]

My mason buddies will back me up on this one. Since I'm claiming the guilty, I might as well claim everything else as well.
My mason buddies and I are all a part of the Justice League. In my role PM, I was told that between myself and the other Leaguers, we have a day inspection to use. I was the first one to send in the inspection, I guess, because I sent in the inspection on Toogeloo at the beginning of d1 and got Hostile. I think that all of my fellow Leaguers got the same PM as well, but I didn't figure this out until after the mod PM.
The "mod PM" (roughly) confirmed to us that everyone in the League is town. I used that opportunity to confirm a couple of my fellow Leaguers.

FFS FRIEND STFU

[Mr Subliminal]

Gambit or no gambit doesn't really matter. Toog is scum.
But I thought you guys were White Lanterns, not Leaguers? You both?

[Oversoul]

See the thing is my PM basically says I gave my powers to Lex Luthor for the time being (24 hours) but I will get them back.

So I'm unsure of what to make of his role. I believe he is Lex Luthor, but I am wondering if he might turn after D1 into another faction.

I believe Ooba's claim. I don't think think he would turn into another faction based on his flavor and seeing as the flavor is Brightest DAY (24 hours) it could just be a reference to the battle.

Subliminal, don't some of the leaguers turn into white lanterns? This flavor has me so confused.

[tanstalas]

Taken from Wikipedia:

Lex Luthor (of Sector 2814): During the Blackest Night event, Lex Luthor is granted membership to the Orange Lantern Corps for a period of 24 hours, becoming the only other living member of the Corps besides Larfleeze himself.[14] In the final issue of Blackest Night, Luthor's power ring and Orange Lantern abilities faded away.[16]

Anyone know what happens to Lex after the 24 hours is up in the comics?

[Nikanor]

Well *I'm* both. Not sure about anyone else in the masonry because I wasn't told their roles. There is some overlap, but I don't think there is going to be very much overlap.

[tanstalas]

Well whatever, we have two lynches, If Nik is scum and going 1 for 1 we can still lynch him today. Would be a stupid play from him. Though I wouldn't doubt that someone in his masonry is scum. 3 person masronry seems a bit OP

Unvote:
Vote Toog

[Nikanor]

How many Friends and Enemies games did you play at GoofBash?

[ToastyToast]

Unvote:Vote:Toog

[tanstalas]

How many Friends and Enemies games did you play at GoofBash?

Can't compare that type of game to this type of game.

[ToastyToast]

@Tans: Last game had a Mason Recruiter. 3-man masonry wouldn't surprise me.

[Nikanor]

There's a myriad of large themes with masonries greater than two members.
And lying about being masons here would be fucking insane, so.

[Candle Jack]

Never mind on mastin, regardless of how much his play is off I forgot something very important (thank you Ludi for reminding me).

Not very trusting of ooba's Governor claim, but it's probably not worth wasting a lynch to test.

Unvote, Vote: Toogeloo

for obvious reasons. (If I'm right, I have to applaud dana for adapting the role I think he's using for this game.)

- Tar

[Candle Jack]

1: And I see classic OMGUS. 2: You're speaking, Tar, instead of your other head, and I have a fair guess as to why. But still. 3: If you bothered to do your homework, you'd realize that I do this in all of my games. I've been in every New York game, as well as Powerrox's Mini and Mini 1180. (Plus Newbie 1048.) In pretty much all of them, I forced an "X or Y" on others. "Ald or nobody", "zdenek or me", you get the idea. It's my style. Has been since I came back. Your failure to realize this, makes you scum.

4: It's not only that you're using meta wrong--it's that you're using meta at all, really, instead of paying attention to in-thread reasoning. To quote the guy who invited me to this game,
"Meta is how you lynch town. Scumhunting is how you lynch scum. The two have nothing in common."*

(*Not quite, but close enough. Meta is a valuable tool, but it is just that--a tool. Using it as a foundation of a case against someone is just asking to be called scum. I've got a ramble on the subject of meta, but it's best left for MD. I do not like MDiscussion inside a game.)

5: You're voting ooba, who's on that list. Yet you're arguing that my list is wrong, because you don't think I'm town. The two mix extremely poorly.

3: I DID my homework (only way I can get a fucking read on you). I've seen play from you SIMILAR to what you're doing here, but this continued "must lynch within this set of players" and joking references to mod questions (unless dana pulled a "let's imitate Tar roles") is very unusual.

Doesn't matter right now given what Ludi pointed out, so whatever.

4: Don't even try to give me shit about "he's using meta so he must be scum". I try not to use it as my only tool (there's quite a few more reliable tells, though several take a while to kick in), but "your play here reminds me of PLAYER X's actions back in COMPLETED GAME" is NOT a scum tell and I'm not about to let you get away with claiming otherwise.

Hell, you should know this mastin, you played in games with me enough back before my site break. If you want a more modern example, go take a look at Mafia Invictus.

5: I was voting ooba because he's independently scummy. I wasn't going to stay off the wagon of a player I think is Mafia just because a player I think is neutral posts a list which I suspected had ulterior motives.

- Tar

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tooge

Tans, I don't know if this answers your question or not.

"During the Blackest Night event, when word got out that apparently everyone around the world who have died are rising as undead Black Lanterns, Luthor isolates himself in his safehouse in fear that all the people he had murdered over the years would also reanimate and seek revenge on him.[68] His fear is justified as his victims, including his deceased father, arrive, seeking to feast on his avarice-filled heart. However, Luthor escapes after receiving a power ring fueled by the orange light of avarice and becomes a deputy of the Orange Lanterns. Luthor arrives at Coast City and joins the battle against the Black Lantern Corps.[69] Luthor engages battle with the Black Lantern versions of Superman and Superboy. However, the Agent Orange Larfleeze wants Luthor's ring off, as the alien does not want to share his power with him, resulting in them battling each other for it despite all of the dangers around them.[70] Luthor is able to use all of the people he has killed as his own Orange Lanterns, and seeks to add Superman to their numbers.[71] Luthor is quickly overwhelmed by his greed, and sets out to steal the rings of his fellow inducted Lanterns, taking Scarecrow's yellow ring and attempting to steal Mera's red one, but is held back by the Atom(wielding the ring-staff of the Indigo tribe) and the Flash wearing a Blue Lantern Ring. When deputy Violet Lantern Wonder Woman uses her magical lasso to restrain Luthor, under its spell of truth, Luthor is forced to confess that he secretly wants to be Superman.[72] When Nekron is defeated, Larfleeze takes the ring from Luthor, leaving him powerless, and allows Luthor to remain on Earth with the Green Lanterns (although Sinestro notes that this is the first time Larfleeze has given anyone anything).[73]"

Taken from the Lex Luthor article on Wikipedia. If Dana is following with the flavor, I would assume that after the time period has elasped, Luthor would be most likely made into a townsperon? right?

[Candle Jack]

Gonna

Unvote: vezok

, since my complaints about him have been cleared up and

Vote: ooba

for reasons that have been mentioned--his deadline's running out soon, also, so we should see some fun stuff soon. I must say, I'm quite entertained by these ACCIDENTAL MOD PM SHENANIGANS. Dare I be so bold as to ask for clarification?

I'm finding myself suspicious of mastin2, as well. There's a lot of throwing about of names and alignments, but not really any justification of them. The VCA is especially misleading; what with the whole Day 1 just began and nobody's flipped yet thing, it disguises more of the same baseless name-bandying as something more substantial.

Andrius is still terribly misguided.

Gut is SCREAMING about this post, reads "not genuine" as fuck. Also IIoA given that he's got all these comments about theory and game events but isn't using them to push towards a conclusion about who the scum are.

Looking back at ISO, I don't see any evidence of scumhunting earlier - his only votes have been on players implicated by other players claiming rolebased.

I don't see this kind of post coming from a Mafioso, especially if ooba is scum. It DOES make sense for a CR, though. Moreover, suspecting ooba AND mastin suggest he's from the one faction that I'm pretty sure neither of them belong to.

Ladies and gentlemen, I think we may have found our Cult Recruiter.

HoS: Apokalyptika

, will vote once Toogeloo is dealt with.

- Tar

[mastin2]

I forgot something very important (thank you Ludi for reminding me).

Leeeeeeet me guess...

Tar:

I think I've got a good enough case to push for a mislynch on Mastin.

Ludi:

WHAT ARE YOU, INSANE?!? PUSHING A CASE AGAINST HIM IS A

BAD IDEA

! You'll only end up encouraging him into thinking we're scum!

Tar:

But he'll self-destruct, won't he?

Ludi:

HE DOESN'T DO THAT ANYMORE!!!

Tar:

Oh. Errrm...*thinks quickly*
And then you posted.

I've seen play from you SIMILAR to what you're doing here, but this continued "must lynch within this set of players" and joking references to mod questions (unless dana pulled a "let's imitate Tar roles") is very unusual.

I've gotten a town PM so many times (abnormally high, in fact--too. many. quicktopics. open*!) and I've been far above standard accuracy consistently, for long enough where I might as well have an open communication to the mod where they tell me pieces of the setup.

It's a running gag, taken to the next level here.

*I keep my game notes in private QTs I release when I'm either dead or the game is over. Got the idea from hydra'ing, combined with using a Quicktopic to great effect as the last remaining scum member in Werewolf Island. (It's amazing. Most of my signature town moves are ideas I got while I was scum. )

Hell, you should know this mastin, you played in games with me enough back before my site break

You're remembering wrong. I've played in exactly one game with you, Tar. Where I was the lyncher. And you've modded for me only once before. When you gave me that awesome post restriction which helped improve my play when I came back and remembered it. That's it. Two games.

Unvote, Vote: Togeloo

.

[nopointinactingup]

Unvote.Vote:Toog

[vezokpiraka]

My mason buddies will back me up on this one. Since I'm claiming the guilty, I might as well claim everything else as well.
My mason buddies and I are all a part of the Justice League. In my role PM, I was told that between myself and the other Leaguers, we have a day inspection to use. I was the first one to send in the inspection, I guess, because I sent in the inspection on Toogeloo at the beginning of d1 and got Hostile. I think that all of my fellow Leaguers got the same PM as well, but I didn't figure this out until after the mod PM.
The "mod PM" (roughly) confirmed to us that everyone in the League is town. I used that opportunity to confirm a couple of my fellow Leaguers.

FFS FRIEND STFU

BULLSHIT.

I'm a member of the Justice league too. I didn't get anything. And because I checked my PM again I read the flavour and hiplop is correct. My flavour says something about the white light sparring me and turned me into a human being. I was expecting to be turned into a white lantern but for now it doesn't happen.

That makes me think like hiplop that we turn after some time passes.

[nopointinactingup]

You are town. Now shut up

[nopointinactingup]

and vote Toog too.

[mastin2]

Oh, and by the way. I did some reading on my character. It's one of those annoying superheroes who has multiple incarnations. Since I failed to realize my character's real name was in my PM, I had to track down which version was the one I remembered being pictured. (In the process while looking at a gallery, I ended up seeing the exact picture in my role PM, too.)

Remember this?

And while I'm in a post-heavy mood:

Claim: Y of the team X and Y

.

I'm wagering that X is in the game, and if X is in the game and the wording in their PM was similar to the wording in my PM, then they should know who I am. Furthermore, I've concluded that we're both confirmed town.

I was ~90% sure of X being in the game when I said that, due to wording in my PM. With the revelation that Lex Luthor's PM mentions Larfleeze, and Larfleeze's PM mentions Lex Luthor, I came to the conclusion the two were intentionally linked. And that therefore, something similar would be happenning for X and me, Y.

So, now I'm 100% confident X is in this game. And having done my research, there WAS something which initially made me doubt it. (An event in Blackest Night.) But then I researched further, and knowing that this is Brightest Day, I've concluded that X is, indeed, quite town.

(I wish X would tell me that they were X, though.)

I also understand why I got my ability, and how it makes perfect sense.

[ooba]

See the thing is my PM basically says I gave my powers to Lex Luthor for the time being (24 hours) but I will get them back.

So I'm unsure of what to make of his role. I believe he is Lex Luthor, but I am wondering if he might turn after D1 into another faction.

We'll take it up after D1 ..

ooba (8) - WeyounsLastClone, Toogeloo, Andrius, Apokalyptika, vezokpiraka, Ghostwriter, Mr. Subliminal, Kast
Toogeloo (10) - Nikanor, Lady Lambdadelta, zMuffinMan, Friend, tanstalas, ToastyToast, Candle Jack, Oversoul, mastin2, nopointinactingup
inHimshallibevezokpiraka (2) - hiplop
WLC (1) - ooba

Not Voting (6) - FrozenMirror, marco1610, kondi2424

@Toog: Claim

[Andrius]

@Andy: I didn't say they were town?

I'm not sure? I don't know I'm tired and need to sleep and don't want to look at it. I had no drive all day to actually get on mafia so I reap what I sow/sew. Whatever the word is.

Andrius is still terribly misguided.

How so? Do you think that a massclaim is utterly useless? Because at the rate we're going with masons outing themselves on a whim its just like great the people most meant to secrecy are claiming for what reason now? Brainless, completely brainless.

I'm finding myself suspicious of mastin2, as well. There's a lot of throwing about of names and alignments, but not really any justification of them

Its not really about whether he's right or not- at least in my mind- its about his attitude, drive, and vigor that emit a townread, not who he thinks is scum.

My ability seems stronger after I realized this is double lynch.

Try reading the rules next time, vezok.

CJ's post involving putting the mafia on higher alert due to the amount of members they have in them doesn't sit well with me at all.

Elaborate.

This seems incredibly scummy to me.

Reads to me: O hai, I'm totally lurking, please guys vote and lynch someone so we can move to night because I don't want to provide any content because I may scumslip. Going to totally leave my random vote on Ooba though since hes the biggest wagon

Unvote:
Vote: WLC

Vote staying on you until you provide me something.

This just seems like really weak reasoning to me. The vote reads "vote stays until you provide more content" which will basically free you from the vote later down assuming he doesn't chronic lurk to death. Idk. A good vote on a scumbuddy perhaps. Just my initial reaction.

Do miller's ever have any abilities?

Yes. I was a Miller Vig in the original Choose Your Side.

Yeah, here's the argument that invalidates this: You're probably not town.

Remember how I brought up Mafia 92 earlier? I brought it up because your play there is EXTREMELY similar to your play here - enough so that I suspect that your win condition is the same in both games (I've NEVER seen you pull anything like this "must lynch within these names" stick outside of that game, and I remember playing with you a fair bit before my site break).

As a double-check (I HAVE been offsite a while), I've been reading through your recent completed games. I don't see ANYTHING like this in them (Mafia 125, Mafia 129, Mafia 132, etc.).

I'm not sure what faction you're in, or for that matter whether you're even IN a faction (Neutral seems likely - as I noted, your play here is VERY similar to your play as Lyncher in Mafia 92 - in which case you can wait for later since Cult and Mafia are larger threats), but I'm not going to rule out lynching a large number of players just because a single nontown player says so.

- Tar

I'm completely baffled by what you're trying to say. I get that you don't think he's town but I don't get where you're coming from. The last paragraph is just O_o. Like, hunting for neutrals doesn't seem like a good use of your time there Tar. Maybe my reading comp. is just shit right now. Idk.

Your failure to realize this, makes you scum.

Um what? Wouldn't that just make him dumb/unobservant? Unless he deliberately left it out which I don't think he'd do as its easily cross-verifiable.

Andrisu, what? Why are you being so thick. If LLD knows that there is not a second White Cult, what could that mean...

No I don't do MOONBEAMS I don't have magick powers of MIGHT AND MAGIC. Just a natural twownie here, no masonries or secret white lantern assignments or whatnot. So I'm just thoroughly confused.
As to LLD not knowing there's a second cult I don't see where you're coming from unless you're saying SHE is white head honcho and therein knows she's not Cult #2 but still its just all lol to me.

Also, interesting choice of words with "grow" for a bit. Stop trying to cast a shadow of doubt for later in the game on someone who is most likely a WL. I also think LLD is confirmed town now too.

Don't choke on it, mr. bread avatar.
Letting the idea grow. I don't follow with the "cast a shadow of doubt" because I'm not trying to slander her just don't follow MOONBEAMS. I'm not SpyreX or tans who lives and breathes that crap. The tinfoil is as far as i go. And you seem to know that she's confirmed town. lolwut? Role info or what because I'm just lost as to the strength of your conviction.

LLD, like the others, if your Red and Blue isn't a PR please stop it.

Same goes for your Mr Subliminal.

QFFT
Its really annoying. Please stop.

Narrowed it down to 8 possibilities for the CR ...

As a semi-pro cult recruiter hunter i'd be very curious to see how you do this, ooba.

Let's get one thing straight
- Black lantern(s) are mod-confirmed to be cult (Dueling cults is fun to speculate on but barring new info, I'll just assume it's one cult)
- Really shouldn't matter who the scum team is right now
- "Lynch scum for the first lynch; lynch cult for second lynch" is funny. Cult's obviously the growing threat and trust me - we are going to have a hard time lynching CR even if two lynches are spent on the cause.

Also, finally, Andrius is not cult - so your votes are better used elsewhere.

I'll whittle down the rest of the list for possible CRs and come up with a lynch list - expect a post on this in

(expired on 2011-07-31 15:59:59)

Take a good look, everyone - ooba just dropped the single largest possible tell in a multiscum game.

He wants us to focus exclusively on the Black Lantern cult instead. There are at least two gaping problems here:
- Cult growth will be weaker than in a game with a single lynch per day, since town can outlynch Cult.
- So, what happens when we spend, say, three game days focusing lynches on Cult (assuming 4-5 kills per cycle [lynch x2, Mafia kill, SK kill, Vig kill?), managing to get a few of them but not finding the leader? Well, unless we managed to accidentally catch a Mafioso or two along the way we probably LOSE, because that would leave about 10 players alive and we're probably dealing with a larger-than-normal Mafia group.

See, I'd say the wiser course of action is to lynch scummy players D1 and start focusing on one faction once we've seen a few flips from the other faction.

Now, why does ooba want us to focus exclusively on one scumgroup D1? Because he's scum from the other faction (Mafia) and wants to a) buy a pass for not hunting other members of his faction and b) potentially buy his faction a free pass into lategame.

Dogpile on ooba, everyone, he's not town. We can find the Cult Recruiter with the second lynch, kay?

- Tar

This is a good post.

Yes, yes it is.

ooba can we please get Neighborized I really like your CR hunting methods and would love to work on it some more.
And the WLC conclusion is interesting and unexpected- I would think the CR would be leaning more active lurking than not posting at all, but.

I'm still pro-mass fullclaim. lolMasons already outed themselves so whatever.
Kast's catchup post leaves much to be desired.

Claim: Lex Luthor (Orange Lantern Corps)
Flavor: For a short time, I worked with the others against the Black lanterns, but greed got the better of me and tried to steal stuff from Sinestro and RL corps. I was still in the position to help out, so I am tolerated.
Role: 1-shot Governor - can target a player - will survive a lynch without flipping role or alignment . If that player doesn't get lynched, my one-shot is not used up.

LOL LEX LUTHOR.
LOL GOVERNOR. LYNCHLYNCHLYNCHLYNCHLYNCH

My role PM mentions Lex Luthor...

And mine mentioned Hal Jordan last game.
OH YEAH RIGHT I FORGOT THAT AUTO-MEANS THAT PERSON IS TOWN.
YEAH.

Toog can be our second lynch.
tans, since when did Larfleeze (sp?) ever give ANYTHING away?

tans is just wrong- he didn't GIVE anything- the ring duplicated itself for 24 hours. Like all the guardians' did.

@Tans: Last game had a Mason Recruiter. 3-man masonry wouldn't surprise me.

3man masonry is much stronger than the mason recruiter they had last game. (not counting the mason COP but)

BULLSHIT.

I'm a member of the Justice league too. I didn't get anything.

No offense but if I were a Neighborizer I'd recruit you last. Remember Objection Redux? YEAHHHHHH.
NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
/assuming it wasn't random or whatever idk idc at this point I kinda' just want to pull an AGM and be all "yeahhhh lets coast on PR results wheeeee".

It SHOULD take 13 to lynch, with 24 alive.

Unvote, Vote: Toog

If someone is a Day Neighborizer I'll give you my box of thin mints to hook me and ooba up.

might turn after D1 into another faction.

might turn after D1 into another faction.

might turn after D1 into another faction.

might turn after D1 into another faction.

wut.

[Toogeloo]

Obvious Nikanor joke and an overreaction by Toog.

Lynch him, guys.

I ignored it for as long as it was evident it didn't seem serious. Once he stated there was a "guilty" on me, I couldn't sit there and just let myself be smeared.

@Toog: Claim

Ganthet, Green Lantern Jack of All Trades [Cop, Doc, Vig]


Look how fast these votes switched from a claimed Governor to the second vote leader. Yeah, this doesn't reek.

[Nikanor]

It's because you're scum and everyone knows it.
I'm also guessing either a) you have no buddies to build a counterwagon, or b) your buddies are bussing.

And that is the worst fakeclaim ever ftr.