PeregrineV wrote:Nikanor wrote:It's the notes. It's fluff, and half of them are wrong anyway.
AND I've already said that the masons are not actually masons. We're just all very, very likely to be town.
Ahh, that does change things. So the fab 5 are just fab town, but not confirmed masons. That's much better, because I was having a hard time squeezing all of the scum and CR into three people using PoE.
And they were notes for me when I read, so as to how much to weigh each post. And I'm glad I did, since you were able to clear up misconceptions.
I do not like this post one bit. First, it shows that Peregrine is not actively reading (asking a very obvious question), and second I get the impression that he is trying to falsify his opinions by using PoE instead of trying to scumhunt. Maybe it is the paranoia in me, but I am suspicious of Peregrine.
Andrius wrote:WeyounsLastClone wrote:Nikanor wrote:So if we go
ToastyToast: OverToast
tans: WLC
Andrius: PeregrineV
Do you three find that acceptable?
Andrius wrote:Except you're not supposed to do it like that, Nik.
You give us a LIST.
We target from the list.
The THREAT of being targeted will work almost as well as a true target.
tans def. targets WLC. If he doesn't someone should.
Do you think people can't think for themselves?
They can.
Hence we don't need "you do this" when a list will do.
Hammerdrop by vezok thank god.
See you all tomorrow.
Happy that there was a hammer, when there wasn't? Seems too anxious to go into the nightphase. Andrius's play has been unusual for well, all of the game, but more sporadic during this second lynch cycle of the day.
About the massclaiming, I see why people are worried about it, but as Andrius said, we already have a rather large group of confirmed townies. Instead of a massclaim, I was thinking why don't the ones who aren't confirmed through the masonry claim? It appeals to both camps and keeps some powers hidden to keep the scum teams guessing.
Blackberry accusing Friend of being culted... I just don't even know anymore. This game is too confusing with people gambiting up a storm. Blackberry, was your accusation of Friend being culted true?
Andrius wrote:Hell, Friend, you might as well claim cult.
Perhaps claim overall.
Because, regardless of who is lynched, today, I will tell you now, if I had bullets they'd be aimed at you tonight. (Which I don't, but.)
Andrius, why the rolefishing? I don't understand your train of logic here. You imply that BB might be lieing about accusation against Friend, but you still believe that Friend was culted last night. What would a claim do for that? He would still have the same townie claim as before? I think I know who Friend and Nopoint are softclaiming to be, but this is just a gut feeling.
GhostWriter wrote:Right, so I've been busy moving for college. Took a lot longer than expected, but that's life. I think I called for a V/LA in here, but it wasn't for long enough.
Anyway, I don't really know where the wagon on me came from. Probably my lack of talking and possible slot-replacement. WLC should be lynched right away, and I don't know why anyone thinks differently. Perhaps I've missed something whilst away. I will be rereading, but I don't think my read on him will have changed.
VOTE: WLC
Also,
Blackberry wrote:Saying someone's claim is "fairly obviously fake" sounds like scum to me. "Due mostly to the fact that it's too early in the timeline for that". I can't see a towns person saying that or having that thought as a genuine flow of logic.
Lex Luthor being a 1-shot OL signifies his short time of having the power, meaning we're still in that point in time. Furthermore, had the WL rings been sent out that night like he claimed, Deadman would have flipped WL. Outside of Swamp Thing, he's the single most important WL there is. It was clearly a fake. I'm not sure how this isn't a genuine flow of logic.
GhostWriter, seriously? You are in danger of being lynched and that is what you give us? No claim and then a vague ass vote?
Also, let it be known, that GhostWriter is apparently acting like this in all of this games and has quasi site flaked.
Mr S and his flipflopping vote on Friend and GhostWriter is off putting and suspicious. His excuse that he didn't read the bolded accusation is also very concerning because it basically confirms that he wasn't really reading the thread. Also, when people started to get suspicious of him and express this suspicion he flips out. That is very hypocritical especially with regards to what happened with another hydra, Candle Jack, on the first day where Mr S jumped all over CJ for the fail hammering.
Mr Subliminal wrote:I'm at the tipping point.
I want to vote Magua.
Because I think he's one of the best choices for CR.
But on the other hand we have GW, who's more likely mafia than CR.
And that's a much less risky lynch.
BUT.
I did just tell BB about last game- about how the lynches that we spent on nopoint and tans were "wasted" in the sense we didn't go after the CR.
And I think this is it.
So I'm a better lynch but you're still voting GW? How's that fence?
This post doesn't help Mr Subliminal at all either. Andrius basically said that he was iffy on who to vote (and has continually brought up the problem that Mr S called fence sitting) and was just talking aloud, but you felt the need to call him out for it? It looks like he is trying to undo what had just happened by revoting GhostWriter and then trying to cast suspicion off himself. His posts afterwards look like flailing to me as he is looking for any way out of being under suspicion anymore.
Blackberry wrote:Mr Subliminal wrote:FRIEND, DO NOT CLAIM. DO NOT FUCKING CLAIM.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe:
A) Only one person (Andrius) asked Friend to claim
B) Friend isn't anywhere near lynch
C) Friend was accused of being a Cult Recruit, meaning he would have a legitimate claim before he was recruited
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All that being said, I'm really curious as to why Friend even said "I'LL CLAIM" with barely any reason to. Unless he feels guilt. Do you feel guilt and pressure Friend?
Finally someone mentions that Friend already has a safeclaim if he is cult. To be honest, Friend's willingless to claim without realizing the implications that it doesn't change anything look like true towniness to me.
Blackberry wrote:Errr, I messed up what I was thinking.
Basically, the amount of time it took to string up MC and the # of active players doesn't make sense. Obviously Cult recruited an active/town-like player (thinking about it, it could be Nikanor as well, though one might suspect Nikanor may die).
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In fact, thinking about it some more, my gut says Nikanor would be a good Cult Recruiter. Mafia, I'd kill Nikanor tonight if you want to eliminate Cult. Because the town aren't going to lynch him and then before you know it the Cult will pwn you. Think about it, CR wants to do something DAY 1 to avoid being a target the entire game, so he fakes a cop gambit to make himself seem town. (Just an idea that came to mind, I have no idea if it's likely or not, LOL).
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Anyways, my original theory had to do with all the active players (likely cult recruits) being on MC.
However, the following players aren't on MC: ToastyToast ... Err, I think there is at least a few more, I was basing it on who was on the first 2 lynches (i.e., active players who kept up with what was going on).
Plus, I think if MC was CR someone would have done something by now to throw it off of MC and onto someone else. And being as I'm the only one who is doing anything close to that, I don't think MC is cult. And the more I thought about it, I could see a cult recruit voting their CR early on the wagon under the presumption that it wasn't going to pile up. I know I've done things like that before as scum but I got yelled at and people acted like they'd never do that as scum (during a 5-player kill the godfather game). Also, Mr. S was quick to switch off MC, so it's another possibility of CR-Recrutee partnership right there, I guess, but Mr. S wouldn't have let MC get this far and then continue to push for his lynch.
I.e., I will be shocked if MC is cult recruiter.
A few things with this post, I am almost positive that Nikanor either softclaimed or claimed that he was bulletproof and that he was most likely the shot for the indigo dayvig. However, because of a mod error and the lynch occuring before the dayvig shot, Nikanor, if he was shot at, got his bulletproof ability back. Unless they want to risk lhaving no kill and living through another 2 day lynch with the roleblocking effects tonight, they won't use their shot on Nikanor. I agree though that Nika would be a good recruit and if there are any watchers or sensor they should watch Nika to see if anyone visits him.
Also, there is a chance that GW's recruit isn't on his wagon seeing as a few people haven't voted and can't cult win with just one member of the faction? So the recruit could be on his wagon and it would look anti-cult to do that especially if it is a pro town looking player.
Nikanor vs Toasty revisited doesn't really make sense Nikanor. He Jailkept you to protect you, I don't see why that is hard to understand. I have to agree that there is a bit of a logic fail with Toasty. If he thought you were a daycop (the only way you could have gotten a scum result on Toogeloo), then it would be entirely possible to get a result this day. I find Toasty legitimate and I am wary of doing anything to a jailkeeper because the rule is so valuable.
Also, about the roleblocker thing you have to remember that not all of them are a roleblocker by their role. From what I can gleam of Tans and Andy, Tans stole the roleblocking ability through his original ability (he is larfleeze). Andy would therefore be a roleblocker. Kast is a Jailkeeper which isn't only a roleblocker. Muffins claimed a roleblocker ability so I can see how there could be a surplus of roleblock abilities. However, 2 straight roleblockers is a little odd especially since Andy is also apart of that roleblock masonry.
vezokpiraka wrote:Why are you posting so much spam?
Lynch someone already.
I didn't find anything worthwhile in the last few pages.
Vezok, you come back after what you assume is a hammer vote from yourself and then you make this post? Not to mention you have been prodded. This looks similar to Andrius wanting to go into night pretty fast, but at least Andrius has been rather consistent with that opinion. You didn't find Subliminal's failfriend vote worthwhile or Blackberries accusation of against Friend worthwhile?
Blackberry wrote:Also... something fishy about the 'Masonary' ... although I haven't actually read it to see what was claimed.
Last game there was a MASON RECRUITER.
Someone came up UNRECRUITABLE instead of UNCULTABLE.
I.e., there is a Mason Recruiter... which means there is NOT a masonary consisting of 3+ people at this point.
I asked the mod the same question and literally the response was "wording".
I'll go back and get the pm, but I am almost positive they mean the same thing and can be used interchanageably.
Ya, I asked if there was any difference between the words and the response was "wording".
Blackberry wrote:There was a MASON RECRUITER in the LAST game Andrius... -_-
What happens when Cult cults a Mafia? That's fricken dumb as hell and way too cult-sided, no?
Larfleeze was an SK back then that stole rings, I don't think the mod would put the same roles back into the game. I'm not gonna try and out guess the mod, but that would be really dumb and breakable.
Ok. I think I am caught up on everything.
fos: subliminal
I will hammer in 15-30 minutes. I am going for a run. I don't want to hammer in case anyone wants to talk about my post or someone brings up something new.
