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I have seen nothing scummy. I still see the random votes as null tells.
Oh about Furry? I have done that before, I thought it was a good way to start discussion. (Reason why is better stated after everyone answers)
Well I don't like it if you try to clear yourself with wifom. Speculation about wifom is fine, it's just speculation. If someone uses it to frame someone else, I will find that suspicious.
Nothing wrong with what Elli was doing, it was a good idea.-
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@LK:
Well I think Crazy was expecting me to support him on that question. I feel that since I didn't support him there (as expected), he was forced to put a stance on me. I find it to be null though. Well, I was thinking that his question was legit, but I forgot that he usually is entirely fine with Wifom.
I don't care who her sister is, I will be using her in-game actions to form a read.
Her reaction was weird, but her random votes weren't scummy.
@Empking: Sup with your vote?
@Crazy: You generally approve of wifom. Why do you speak out against it here? What has made you do this in the span of time between our newb and this game?-
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Crazy wrote:Ranmaru wrote:@Crazy: Since when have you put yourself on invisible?
One of our previous games together. Not to be mean, but the "Hi, Crazy, I see you're online, can you post now?" got a little tiring.
Ranmaru wrote:@Crazy: You generally approve of wifom. Why do you speak out against it here? What has made you do this in the span of time between our newb and this game?
I should ask the same question of you. I thought youhatedWIFOM.
As for me, the WIFOM factor here isn't what bugs me, though I expected it to bug you. I just thought the whole line of thought Ellibereth was going down was stupid and pointless.
Haha ok. Fine I'll just look at your recent posts. Just kidding.
No, just trust me, it's a good idea. I can't believe you'd be against such a thing though.
Crazy wrote:Ranmaru wrote:Well I don't like it if you try to clear yourself with wifom. Speculation about wifom is fine, it's just speculation. If someone uses it to frame someone else, I will find that suspicious.
This seems to be a much looser stance than you've had in the past. Has your opinion changed?
Yes. I have done NK speculation in my other newbie I replaced into. (It was situational and I thought it would help to brighten why scum did what they did) I have done what Elli has done so I know what he was trying to get out of it. Not saying what though.
Check this link: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3091739
I was town there, and that was where I have seen Lk's play.-
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@Imaginality: (I will call you Imag for short in the future)
- Right, it is part of the RVS to try to bring discussion. Although, here's one thing that conflicts with this. It's called the RANDOM VOTE STAGE. So, some people say "Oh well, I'm Voting Randomly in the Random Vote Stage" And say that's there reason. This sort of becomes a theory debate.
- The idea of RVS is to vote people in a jokish manner, to promote discussion. Right? But, even if that person just randomly votes, he is promoting discussion (POSSIBLY) by attracting attention from others calling them out on that.
- Obviously it doesn't seem over cautious to me because oh look, Pom is getting attention. Of course, I don't believe it is pro-town either, because you aren't really getting reactions from the people she voted. Maybe it'd be a good idea to ask the two people she voted to give thoughts on that.
- Hmmm, you have a good point there, and I like it. I'll keep that in mind. (Applying pressure to a null tell to progress further with discussion, although I feel this is also a null tell because scum can do the same, so it goes either way )
- I agree with this. His question contradicts the purpose of him questioning in the first place. (Because he included an answer to his own question)
- Do you find that scummy? I don't find that particularly scummy, it just seems he read into it a bit too far when asking it. I find this to be null. (Because I have done this before, but it was more bad play and not knowing what to ask or how to ask questions)
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So Lk, why didn't youanswer my question?
How was my interaction with crazy, unnatural?
That isn't me defending players, LK. That is me stating my views on null tells.
We are still in RVS, and not everyone has posted.
I haven't seen anything particularly scummy in my eyes. Once I do, I will give stances, and votes. I am not a low content player.
Yes, you have seen me read a game and replace in D3 (I think). When you replace in, you have so much to look at, but not with the RVS.-
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LK, you are not trying to read me. You are trying to apply tells to me without thinking about my motivation. (Or even explaining your thoughts further)
Now then, WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
WHY ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT ACTIVITY WHEN NOT ALL PLAYERS HAVE EVEN POSTED YET? HOW IS THIS SCUM MOTIVATION IN ANY WAY?-
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kunkstar7 wrote:ohai. Answer to Elli: played with Furry when I first joined the site.
. I don't think scum would make an entirely random kill so at least one of the scumgroup must have played/modded with Furry and had a reason to kill him. This lowers our lynch pool for at least one scum to a group of players who have interacted with Furry in previous games.
I commend Elli for going out on a limb and considering nk speculation
Whatsup with the smalls wagon? Legit or just randomwagongo?
So why do you think Furry was killed?
Second paragraph sounds fake. Scum would say something like this, to appease the person asking about the kill. Rest is wifom speculation of what scum may NOT have done. Doesn't consider what other options scum may have taken.
Bold emits "HAI KAN I JOIN WAGON PLZ?" Basically asking permission to get on a wagon. Doesn't address any suspicions, events, nor votes.
Unvote Unvote Vote: KunkstarBtw, who is scum to you?
smallpeoples343 wrote:@Hiraki
Why?
Unless. *gasp* you must be mafia!
Unvote: PomVote: Hiraki
Small seems like a person who plays on Smogon type mafia. They seem to rely on roles and pm-ing people instead of actually talking in thread. Rather, I have played mafia on RaymanPC and that's how they played. Their meta for mafia is that people who PUSH for wagons are usually the mafia. I take it as a newb town tell.
Ameliaslay wrote:Hey guys, Slay here. Thread opened after I had left work for the weekend. My first chance to check in. I haven't played with any of you I don't think (:
vote: Ellibereth
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Vote: Ameliaslay
Vote without a reason. Why did you vote Elli?
Empking wrote:Slay: 1. Why only one vote?
2. Why vote Elliberith
You saw this, and didn't vote Slay?
If I had three votes.FoS: Empking
LK is null to me. He seems to try hard to act pro-town. He hasn't even followed up with his questions. He also doesn't consider all angles. Example:
LK in response to Pom wrote:It was a scum hunting probe. Your reaction was not from a pro-town mindset; it was more defensive and appears as an attempt to discourage it rather than allow it to go forward to see what reactions are garnered. This is bad.
He didn't even consider WHY she asked about it. She could have asked because she herself didn't like wifom, which is a valid concern. He just automatically thought "She's scum because she doesn't want to talk about it".
I have only seen his play as scum, and it's the same there. I don't know if he plays the same as town, so currently he is at Null to me.
Crazy is also null to me currently, because I can understand his confusion about my play here with our clashes in the past. I don't like how he attacked Elli when he himself seems to accept Wifom. He did answer his own question and it doesn't help to access info when you do that. (Because the person answering can say "Yes" and be on his way)-
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Ranmaru wrote:So Lk, why didn't youanswer my question?
How was my interaction with crazy, unnatural?
That isn't me defending players, LK. That is me stating my views on null tells.
We are still in RVS, and not everyone has posted.
I haven't seen anything particularly scummy in my eyes. Once I do, I will give stances, and votes. I am not a low content player.
Yes, you have seen me read a game and replace in D3 (I think). When you replace in, you have so much to look at, but not with the RVS.
Ranmaru wrote:Ranmaru wrote:Meaning, why are you worried about his activity? (And not others, since it's only been a day) If he doesn't post, then he get's replaced. (within the limit of the rules)
These questions, LK.
Plus you didn't answer until you were under pressure.
I didn't misunderstand. I just wondered why you didn't include that post. Anyways, now that I look at the times, I don't know why he posted in there again. Maybe you know, you can actually ask him a question?-
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@LK:
Actually, I was asking because before he has been set to visible. I told him I would be checking his recent posts to make sure he is following up with the game, but I didn't want to sound like a creeper. He usually jokes around and I'm fine with throwing some sillyness toward him. He knows that I have called him out and multiple others and still do. I am sad at him being invisible. ;-;
Ah, well I see. You think Iam was faking concern with his vote on RC? Do you think it could have been a coincidence? (Besides his Small vote which would make sense because of the minimal reasoning on smalls?)
"So, what to do..." Implies he doesn't know what to talk about in the sign up thread, or that he HAS something to do but just doesn't know what. This is why I say you should ask him why he said that to garner a reaction, that would be a good direction to go with your theory. I just don't think that's a statement that would make someone appear pro-town.
LK, can you point out what you believe I have mis-understood? I have read it thoroughly.
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Ah ok, that's fine.
I thought you were being sarcastic because at the time Iam was the first to post but wasn't the only one who was inactive.
Also, why don't you respond to this part of my post?
"So, what to do..." Implies he doesn't know what to talk about in the sign up thread, or that he HAS something to do but just doesn't know what. This is why I say you should ask him why he said that to garner a reaction, that would be a good direction to go with your theory. I just don't think that's a statement that would make someone appear pro-town.
I do think you should ask questions, LK. You can't just post an accusation without asking questions to the suspect. It makes it seem like you don't care about finding that persons alignment, and rather just care to ACCUSE people and let it sit for reactions.
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Vote: KunkStarWhy aren't you voting yet, KunkStar?
Vote: Amiliaslay
Psst, Lk. All you have to do is say "He's at l-1".-
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Crazy wrote:My other vote will go towards imaginality/Ellibereth at some point, unless they can convince me that the question "Who knew Furry?" actually did have some potently awesome scum-hunting power behind it.
Now that Elli has claimed, what are your thoughts on him now? Do agree with his theory?-
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Pomegranate wrote:[Low Key] wrote:Pomegranate wrote:Why was the response to Elli overcompensating?
It was a scum hunting probe. Your reaction was not from a pro-town mindset; it was more defensive and appears as an attempt to discourage it rather than allow it to go forward to see what reactions are garnered. This is bad.
And the fact that Plum's my older sister is entirely irrelevant to the game; why even mention it? I find that scummy.
Its more of a bit of trivia and a joke than anything else. I don't see any scum motivation for it at all.
Links requested:
Science Mafia
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In regard to Elli's question, realize that I was protown enough to respond to it. Had I not wanted it to go forward I wouldn't have answered.
In regard to the mention of Plum, I take back my comment saying it was scummy; it wasn't really scummy rather than irrelevant and out of place.
LK WHY HAVEN'T YOU FOLLOWED UP WITH THIS? WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF ASKING HER FOR LINKS IF YOU DON'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT LATER?-
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If it wasn't true, why exactly is his post still bad? I mean it's like you are saying "Well if I'm wrong about it, it's still bad so it's ok to be suspicious of it", essentially having a fall back.
Yes but did you read the games then? Why exactly did you ask for links?
Why do you disagree with my Slay vote?
What are your reads on: Elli, Slay, and Imaginality, and Pom?
Why exactly do you lean town with Kunkstar?
What essentially did you think was bad analysis from me?-
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I was referring to the specific post I quoted. Why are you deflecting to his WHOLE play when I'm asking aboutone minordetail? Chill.
That was his FIRST post into the game. It isn't particularly bad because he at least participates and votes in the RVS (with reasons too). You say that post is bad but you like Slay's entry post?
Fair enough on the links thing. Btw, what did you think of Pom's responses?
I do see a reason to vote her.
Why exactly are you leaning town on Elli and Imaginality?
Why exactly was it pro town goodness?
He said he had R/L issues to attend to at the time, but he didn't say he would have be away for some time DUE TO R/L ISSUES. I'm not going to unvote for that, LK. :/ (Unless he goes V/la or is inactive to the point of needing prods or replacement, then I'd vote else where because my vote wouldn't do much at that time)
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Empking wrote:iamausername wrote:They're not scum. That means they're not distancing from each other.
What makes you think they're not scum?
What makes you think I'm scum? You say we are distancing but now you aren't voting LK, so you must still be voting me for another reason separately.
smallpeoples343 wrote:Ranmaru wrote:
"So, what to do..." Implies he doesn't know what to talk about in the sign up thread, or that he HAS something to do but just doesn't know what. This is why I say you should ask him why he said that to garner a reaction, that would be a good direction to go with your theory. I just don't think that's a statement that would make someone appear pro-town.
In response to that:
1) I didn't see in my role PM the "Confirm by PM", and on the site where I normally play,we confirm in-thread. That's why I was the last to confirm.
2) I didn't know that games would be transferred to Theme Park (which now seems obvious) so I thought the game was still being played in the "Queue" section. At that time, it seemed that no one was posting and I just simply put "So, what to do..." as a way to spark conversation.
Hmmm, can you post a link to these threads you confirm in?
[Low Key] wrote:Is there any chance Smalls could be good enough to be faking this??I would be willing to policy lynchbut I already know THAT isn't happening with today's meta and everything so:
Unvote Smalls, Vote Hiraki
1) Says he didn't know Eli question was a question?
2) Says Iam's question was confusing?
3) Has a scum list I have no idea where he got it (Iam, Imagine, Eli) all 3 are leaning town in my book.
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[Low Key] wrote:You can't be serious. I have stated clearly what I have thought in this thread of both his sign-up thread role PM post and his entry post. That's how I feel about it. I see them as straight forward scum tells.
His subsequent posts in this thread have been terribly underwhelming.
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My posts on the matter are self-explanatory
I think this was the only post you talk about his actual in-game actions. (We can't tell if his "why me" thing was a scum tell or not, because your case seems to be a misunderstanding)
I don't remember you actually giving any other reasons.-
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[Low Key] wrote:Are you blind? Can you not think for yourself? Have you not seen the huge amount ofhe has made and just continues to spew out?logical errors and anti-town posts
I don't care anymore. He will always be perma-null,potentially scum. Nothing he says will make sense totally and I'm done talking about him. We will not be policy lynching him and he will be in LYLO and we all need to face that.
Since the above is true, we need to focus on catching scum.
Now quit wasting thread space and let the other players catch up.
How does logical errors and anti town posts = scum tell? Lol wasting space, quit back tracking.-
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[Low Key] wrote:I fully support your imagine unvote.Please find another place for it.
Why are you trying to stifle her scumhunting? You ask her to unvote you but don't ask her why she is voting you. Seems like you don't care about the accusation but do care that she is voting you, which is selfish.-
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Binomial wrote:Why am I the better choice? I know that I am going to die today or tonight, so it doesn't matter. Anyways, I don't see how I am "the better choice". You think my posts are "overly attacking" or something?
Anyways, for when I do get lynched today, here is what I want town to do:
1) Lynch smallpeoples343. He posts too much fluff, votecounts, and activity checks.
Anyways, if someone posts a "propper attack" on me, I will post a propper defense.
Mod comments wrote:It's been great modding this game, and I hope you all had a fun time playing and learning mafia. I'm sorry for kind of disappearing in the end.
Here's my analysis of the game as a mod: The mafia hid decently for most of the game, but lylo was just hilarious.
* theoneforce claimed cop at lylo. This isn't bad, but claiming a guilty on someone V/LA in the middle of the day sounds kinda dodgy if you ask me
* smallpeoples and theoneforce didn't disguise their partnership very well
o Repetition
o Partner defense
o Slips "Do you think we"...
o More repetition (First, second, 1. 2. OMG HIDE TAG, etc.)
* the way they hunted theamatuer was pretty mean.
* theamatuer's reasons weren't bogus as they claimed. They were pretty legit imo.
* they totally avoided EggyLv. (who would have been an easy lynch, even though he's an IC) and instead went for a cop fakeclaim.
I'm kind of disappointed in town too, mainly EggyLv. for letting the mafia lead the game. If he posted a bit more content, maybe theamatuer wouldn't have been (theone)forced into voting for marble-101. And also, I don't see what's wrong with a massclaim in lylo... sure it would be better if there was an order to it (more suspicious people claim first), but starting massclaims generally does not warrant a vote, especially in lylo.
I'm pretty happy with the replacements I got: -$45! played well and was pro-town for the short time he was alive. theamatuer made some mistakes (if someone's claiming a guilty on you, it's pretty obvious they're lying scum. don't rush to make a vote; plenty of time for other players to give opinions) but he played decently for a late-game replacement.
Roles/Actions in next post.
From these posts it seems Small's fluffs, polices activity, and doesn't hide connections well. This was from a week ago.
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Ameliaslay wrote:unvotevote: Hiraki, Ranmaru
To answer the questions asked of my votes, by Empking. I initially placed only one vote and randomly to give myself the opportunity to look over the thread. I hadn't yet decided how I wanted to use both votes, although I thought in tandem is a little strange, as second votes might be more useful to place pressure.
To comment on one of the wagons, I was initially a bit confused by the smalls wagon-- to me he reads very newb, but not necessarily newb scum. But as the latter end of the thread progresses he seems very willing-- almost falling over himself to accomodate requests for outside of game activity on other sites.That over-eager to please mentality strikes me wrong. I also really didn't like the comment in post #198, where he mentions that we should look tomorrow for those attacking him hardest. That being said, I don't know that this sways my balance toward a vote.
As to reasons for my current votes, I haven't really been fond of the tone of Hiraki's posts..he seems pretty excitable early game. However, I really haven't liked either Lowkey or Ranmaru'smethod of scum-hunting. Both of them seem to rely on a form of metagaming, that forgive me as I haven't played in a while seems like going beyond the pale. As in this post by Ranmaru:
ranmaru wrote:Actually, I was asking because before he has been set to visible. I told him I would be checking his recent posts to make sure he is following up with the game, but I didn't want to sound like a creeper. He usually jokes around and I'm fine with throwing some sillyness toward him. He knows that I have called him out and multiple others and still do. I am sad at him being invisible.
The only time I remember ever watching who's visible/not-- timestamps, etc. was as scum looking for justifications to point fingers at other players. Lowkey and Ranmaru seem to use similar logic to point fingers at smalls and redcoyote, on what I think of as weak cases, especially given my preference towards only looking in game at in game behavior.
Purple text I agree with. He was never scummy to me. *To Hiraki, I posted that quote to ask for thoughts on Smalls to see if he was doing the same or not.
Your Hiraki vote, is based on how he was excited to play? That is not good, at all. Why does that make you think he is scum?
The quote you bring up is not scum hunting, it's a clarification.
If you don't like meta-ing, why haven't you spoken of Crazy? Here is a quote:
Crazy wrote:VOTE: Ranmaru
Not really a first post I'd expect from you... I thought you'd come out guns blazing, especially with all this NK-WIFOM talk. What's up?
@Amrun - A-ight, I can believe the cell phone thing. UNVOTE: Amrun
He used it for scum hunting.
I also call out activity all the time, so I don't see how that makes me scum. (It's a null tell)
Anyways, my scumhunting isn't heavily based on meta. Currently i'm voting you and Kunkstar, both of which I have never played with. How is this meta-ing?
I never pointed fingers at RC nor Smalls. If I say "Hey RC, I see you there!" It doesn't mean I think he's scum for it, it means I want him to post.
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WeyounsLastClone wrote:Hiraki wrote:Voting on gut with 12 pages of content means there's seriously something wrong.
Seriously, looking at everything from a negative angle? Unless I've missed a post from someone saying 'hello, I'm actually mafia in this game!', gut feels based on people's performances isn't too strange in my opinion.
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Hiraki wrote:Voting on gut with 12 pages of content means there's seriously something wrong.
Voting with gut is fine if you are a gut player, but Slay doesn't seem to be the gut player. A gut player would say "I feel that..." and "You are way off" etc.
Slay just used bad reasoning and justified it with GUT.-
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Crazy wrote:Sorry for coming in and throwing two votes on non-leading wagons. I've read Hiraki's "scum-slip" thing a couple times but I still don't have a grasp on it. I will have to look more into that.
Why did you say this in the bold?
Hmmm. Crazy, how do you feel about the rest of Elli's play? Do you think it was possible Elli used that to start off RVS discussion?
Hmmm, Imaginality didn't really press much, I agree. He sort of gave some town reads and one other scum read.
@Imaginality: What are the reasons for your town reads? Why do you only find scum in Pom and not others? What are your thoughts on Elli, RC, Kunkstar, WLC, and Empking?
@Amrun: Thoughts on RC, Imag, Kunkstar, and Empking plz?
@RedCoyote: I need some more stances bro. Like, thoughts on Empking, Elli, Imag, and WLC?
@Iam: Same, I need some more stances. Thoughts on RC, Kunkstar, Empking, Elli, and WLC k thx.
@Weyoun: Ok. Why is Amrun scum? Why is Kunkstar scum? Give me thoughts on all the rest of the players plz. Ty.
@Pom: Hey. Thoughts on Elli, RC, Empking, Amrun, and Imag?
@Slay: I want you to give me thoughts on 5-6 other players besides me and Hiraki. Scum or town and why.
@Kunkstar: Hey. Can you expand on your thoughts with Empking and LK? Thoughts on Image, WLC, Elli, and Pom?
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Yes, answer that.imaginality wrote:Pomegranate, why do you think Hiraki is scummy? Do you agree with everything that's been thrown at him? If not, which reasons in particular are you voting him for?
I don't know why you couldn't answer that before...
Which means there's something wrong. I'm glad you inadvertently agree.Ranmaru wrote:Slay just used bad reasoning and justified it with GUT.
Well it either means there is something newb scummy, or just newbie because it seems Slay is used to seeing scum being activity police, especially with seeing how Small's played in his scum game, it could be possible that was her site meta. Plus it seems Slay has offsite experience:
Ameliaslay wrote:/in? I don't know if I have three games under my belt though....
Due to Petry stating that he knows Slay has ton of experience, it sounds like they have offsite experience together and has seen him play quite a bit. This is only a theory though.
Do you agree?-
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Lk, I have addressed people I felt haven't given much content or stances. Hiraki wasn't the only person I didn't address.
How exactly were we saying the same things? How does that make us scum?
How exactly were we voting the same? Are we voting the same? How does that make us scum?
Where did I say Slay was being bad for being on Hiraki's wagon exactly?-
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You do? Just like you did with Smalls? You only noticed Hiraki was scummy after your theory of Small = scum was disproven.
You never mentioned Hiraki until your #186. You then voted him in your #204. Tell me, if you believe you have caught Hiraki scum, why haven't you said nothing of it before your 186?
[you have mentioned him in your #34 once before but it was referring mechanics therefore it is irrelevant to you 'catching Hiraki scum', here is the quote "@Hiraki: Can you please just unvote and re-vote or at least explain where your two votes stand?"]
I never attacked Slay forbeing onHiraki's wagon, I think you may need to re-read what I actually said.
How exactly do you think we are voting badly? What makes agoodvote? What essentially makes those scum tells?
What did you think of this? -
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p3166372
What did Elli's vote on Iam make you think of him?
What do you mean I queried my wagon?
Amelia has no scum tells in her entry post. You either did not read or have conveniently forgotten my case on Smalls. He posted a "who/why me" post (which is a scum tell in itself) and that in combination with his RVS votes in a content full thread demonstrate a desire to fit in while avoiding suspicion for any stances. There is plenty of scum motivation in that post. You can't point to any such thing in Amelia's post.You jumped on her for saying she was busy and would catch up soon: read disingenuous grasping at straws.
Btw I never jumped on Slay for saying that he was too busy. Where have I said that?-
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iamausername wrote:Please elaborate on how your suggestion that 3 out of 3 of your scumreads are on the smallwagon could possibly arise from a counting error and not you forgetting which of Empking and imaginality was supposed to be a serious vote.
Time to settle all this.
Alright. Iam, did you believe that he was faking suspicion on Imag? Is this the premise of your suspicion?
Ok, Hiraki. What made you go 3/3 instead of 2/3 like you originally counted? Did you really mean 2/3?-
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WeyounsLastClone wrote:[Low Key] wrote:
@Wey: Could you please clarify your case on Amrun because I'm not seeing it?
My first votes were based on only few pages of evidence, but I found someone p-editing their first vote quite strange, even with the 'mobile posting' explanation. Then she votes Crazy and Pomegranate without reasons. Presumably to create wagons, which I find dangerous when it's only 8 to lynch and everyone has two votes. Sure they were only at L-4 at that point, but we were only on second page.
Then, when I voted her based on above reasons (at least the editing post and joining Crazy's wagon), she directly responded with what I consider an OMGUS-vote. When I ask what kind of vote it was, she responded saying I was scum. Period. No reason. Just like all of her votes, except maybe her Hiraki-vote. The real fun part comes where she asks Pom for the reason voting me, while Amrun hasn't given any yet. Except for that I'm scum because I'm scum.
Weyoun, can you try posting a little bit more then just responding to people? Also it would be nice if you answered this question (meaning ANSWER IT NOW )
@Weyoun: Ok. Why is Amrun scum? Why is Kunkstar scum? Give me thoughts on all the rest of the players plz. Ty.-
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