Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

[Empking]

Imaginality; Hisd posting on the wagon.

I'm noty going to allow Pom to rival the WLC wagon so I'm not switching.

[Ellibereth]

So you are saying that you see WLC as town but nothing to show for it? Tis pretty sketch if you ask me, especially in concert with the last sentence. This will be important when we see WLC's flip. I actually think it'll reflect more scummily on Elli if WLC is a mislynch.

Yep. It's kinda like my iam read except for iam it's the other way with scum. I remember being Super Conf that he weyous was town yesterday but now I no longer remember why...I'll remember eventually hopefully.

I'm totally missing why small is anything but town right now.

@Ellibereth: why are you voting Red Coyote? Why call Ran and kunkstar likely scum but not vote them?

? I have ran as town and kunk as null last time I mentioned them I think?
Oh, the thing was Low's reads. Yeah, they're contradicting my own but i think Low's need to be taken into account so I'm more tentative now...and there are a few other reasons I think I need to readjust even with the two current flips agreeing with my reads.
Anyways, I'm not always voting my top scumreads anyway

I'm not voting Pom, totally useless since her activity as of now won't change because of it.

Ellibereth - minor town read: I don't like the combo of iso28, iso30 and iso35 - one thing to have a townread on Hiraki but be in favour of his lynch for info purposes, but discouraging the idea of getting a counterwagon going on one of his own suspects seems odd. Otherwise fine though.

too lazy to look at the actual posts right now, but I wanted the day to end ASAP and for there to be flips out.

[Ellibereth]

Kunk, was your hammering Hira similar to me reasoning or your own or vut.

[Ranmaru]

I'm not getting a wagon up to force her to post, i'm getting a wagon on her to twist that neck.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Good point, imaginality. WLC, provide meta please?

I'm usually a bit of a background player. Main problem is that I don't seem to state my suspicions well, so when I do post people get suspicious of me, whether I'm town or scum. It's no excuse, but that's one of the reasons I don't post so often.

Realized I hadn't used my second vote.

Vote: kunkstar.

Still not sure about his day 1 play (not voting for quite a while and then the only point at which he switched was to hammer; I know I haven't exactly moved my votes around myself, and in a lynch someone has to be the hammer, but all in all I'm not sure about him).

Will post reads on others tomorrow.

[Amrun]

No I meant provide me links.

[Ellibereth]

Pom do you prefer scum or town.

[petroleumjelly]

Day Two: Vote Count #3

5 Pomegranate (iamausername, kunkstar7, imaginality, Ranmaru, Amrun)
5 WeyounsLastClone (Amrun, Empking, iamausername, Crazy, smallpeoples343)
3 kunkstar7 (smallpeoples343, Ranmaru, WeyounsLastClone)
3 smallpeoples343 (WeyounsLastClone, RedCoyote, imaginality)
2 RedCoyote (Empking, Ellibereth)
1 Ameliaslay (RedCoyote)
1 Crazy (kunkstar7)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch. Deadline is July 20 at 5:00 PM PDT.

Not Voting – 2 – Ameliaslay, Pomegranate

[Pomegranate]

@ Mod: I apologize, but I need to request replacement.

I feel terrible, but I never really got the feel of this game, and as I fell behind, I just have never had the time to really catch up. Again, I sincerely apologize.

--Pom

[Ellibereth]

POM JUST THAT ANSWER THAT ONE QUESTION PLEAAAAAAAASE

[Crazy]

Ugh, I feel like a broken record here, but I'll make sure to post tomorrow.

[petroleumjelly]

Mod Note

: Searching for a Pomegranate replacement. Also, iamausername has been prodded.

[Ranmaru]

My time has been seriously limited recently. I hate to do this,, but I honestly cannot post until tomorrow night; I hardly have time to make this post as it is. I hope I don't need to replace out.

She only felt the need to replace out when a wagon was looming over her. Thoughts?

[imaginality]

I don't like making assumptions based on timing of replacement requests; I think it's fairer to assume it's a null tell. I think if I remember correctly there was an MD thread about this, I'll try to find the link.

[Ranmaru]

Oh I see. Well I guess it being null wouldn't absolve the slot of being scummy, but let's see what the replacement has to say then.

[imaginality]

Here's the link. Troll's stats on page 1 and Fishythefish's on page2 suggest replacements happen for scum and town in fairly equal proportion. Admittedly that's not looking specifically at people replacing out when under pressure, but Pom's played heaps of games, I don't think she'd replace out for that reason as scum (or town).

I do think she's scum anyhow though and my vote's staying on her slot unless the new player is obv-town enough to convince me otherwise.

[kunkstar7]

Kunk, was your hammering Hira similar to me reasoning or your own or vut.

My hammer was pretty much this: "I wanted the day to end and for there to be flips out." Hiraki was null enough for it to be worth his flip since my preferred wagons weren't currently viable.

[iamausername]

We have a confirmed town who read me as town. I know that doesn't say anything, but not sure why you have such a different read than LK

[snip]

Anyway, not sure where smalls is going. He uses LK's suspicions, but those were partly based on who was not voting Hiraki, so I don't think that list is the best to go about.

Vote:smalls

Yeah, you can't just selectively choose which of Loki's reads are fair game to bring up based on what suits you.

Yeah you can.

[Empking]

We have a confirmed town who read me as town. I know that doesn't say anything, but not sure why you have such a different read than LK

[snip]

Anyway, not sure where smalls is going. He uses LK's suspicions, but those were partly based on who was not voting Hiraki, so I don't think that list is the best to go about.

Vote:smalls

Yeah, you can't just selectively choose which of Loki's reads are fair game to bring up based on what suits you.

Yeah you can.

?

[iamausername]

You don't see anything wrong with WLC using Loki's reads to defend himself, then calling smalls scummy for using Loki's reads to inform his own?

[Ellibereth]

wait
where did low says weyous was town anyway

[Empking]

You don't see anything wrong with WLC using Loki's reads to defend himself, then calling smalls scummy for using Loki's reads to inform his own?

I don't think he was calling Small scummy for using it just that he disagreed with it.

[iamausername]

Vote:smalls

[imaginality]

Remind me to comment about that point later; I want to hear what WLC has to say in response to it first.

[WeyounsLastClone]

We have a confirmed town who read me as town. I know that doesn't say anything, but not sure why you have such a different read than LK

[snip]

Anyway, not sure where smalls is going. He uses LK's suspicions, but those were partly based on who was not voting Hiraki, so I don't think that list is the best to go about.

Vote:smalls

Yeah, you can't just selectively choose which of Loki's reads are fair game to bring up based on what suits you.

Then you should read the arguments. From how I read it, smalls was using Low Key's scumreads which were based on Hiraki being scum. We know this has been disproven, so I don't think these are too useful. For as far as I know, LK's read on me was apart from the Hiraki-wagon, a general read that would still apply if LK was alive today.

@Amrun, here are some of my completed games:
Stratego Mafia
This is from quite a while ago, the last one before I didn't join the site for any games for almost two years
Philosophy Mafia
First game this year after I wanted to start up with mafia again (mini-theme)
Directional Mafia
Second game, running partly at the same time as Philosophy (large)

If you want more links, need to check the archive, let me know

Also currently working on a more thorough analysis, have been rereading the game, so will post more tomorrow when I've sorted my notes.