Mini #1004 - Popularity Mafia (Over)

[Andrius]

First post!

Vote: Friend

How come you aren't my friend?

[Andrius]

Hi PranaDevil! I saw vollkan's /in, but didn't see you. Nice to play with you again.

[Andrius]

He's Bastian. From 9 and 10. (Aka, Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn.) I know where yours is from. TF2.

pre-post edit: Yay! Friends!
But I'm unpopular.

[Andrius]

We're all in HS. /in-game
I was actually trying to act in-character, with the unpopular line. lol

[Andrius]

Well, it was sure to generate discussion. This whole popularity thing is a major part of the game, so.
So we're all neighborizers, in a way.

Not wanting to rolefish eh? Hm.

[Andrius]

If I were popular, it would be more of a PR than a unpopular person, so I would have been hesitant.

(I was a prep in HS, but that's beyond the point. )

[Andrius]

I didn't claim any role, just a hint as to where I am on the "popularity meter".

[Andrius]

I didn't mean for you to shut up. There's no one else here.

I'd like to hear others' voices at all.

[Andrius]

I have no idea what the popularity levels mean at this stage, and I'm guessing the popularity levels wont have that much of an effect on players being town/scum.

Also Andrius, didn't you learn from the last game we played together to not go outing yourself even if you're a vanilla? It means less people the scum need to look at to get to the power roles. I don't think you'll have forgotten that so quickly.

FoS: Andrius

For now though I'm going to...

Vote: Vollkan

Leading me round the bloody houses last time, I'll have a closer eye on you this game matey.

Popularity levels are, as I understand it, the way to neighborize other people. You can only neighborize people who have a lower number than you. So you have more power if you have a higher number.

I didn't claim a role. Hell, it could have been WIFOM. /learning from ReaperCharlie

I thought of RVS voting vollkan for the same reason, but opted against it, Prana.

[Andrius]

I'm glad Mini 951 taught you something

It also re-solidified the fact that uber-town players who survive N3 must be scum.

Why opt against it?

I didn't want to come in here and throw my dirty laundry in front of everyone.

The only risk I can see in such a mass popularity claim is that scum may have knowledge that they can use to link popularity to power roles. That seems unlikely to me, though, since it seems that the popularity just affects the neighbourising.

We also might have PRs that actually use this neighborizing mechanic. Say we have a town player who can increase the popularity of a fellow player by one. Or a mafia player who can decrease the popularity of a player by one. /setup speculation

scum can try avoid having to talk to at least one townie by targeting somebody they think is higher than they are. Having everybody's popularity out in the open would remove any excuse for scum not talking to somebody.

In addition to this, I would also say that I think we should implement a policy of requiring people to identify explain their choice of conversation target; it will force people to use the ability for sensible reasons which is both pro-town and anti-scum.

This is good stuff. (I'd cite an ongoing game with similar mechanics, but I'd get killed so.) The scum will definitely try to avoid extra exposure to the town. They'll definitely try to target someone higher than they are, especially if their number is high to begin with.

I'm willing to start the popularity claim, when the time comes, if there's no objections.

[Andrius]

Regarding the bolded bit there, they wouldn't be able to. If we all said "target the person below you in the list" then anyone who didn't would be automatically pointed out as scum. They would basically be forced into neighboring with the person below them or being known as scum.

True. So we definitely need to organize a list like that to prevent the scum from being able to fake-claim a failed attempt at neighborizing.

[Andrius]

We're still missing 4 people.

Max
TheLonging
Sando
NicolBolas

Should we wait for them a bit? Thread hasn't been open 24 hours yet.

[Andrius]

I was seriously quite surprised that nobody asked IK or myself why the hell we were still alive come D4.

That's why I knew you were scum. If I were you, I wouldn't have killed Raber, let alone anyone. Killing Raber made me lose another suspect, and I couldn't see lynx as scum with IK or you. So it had to be both of you.

1) Assuming that such a role could be used in passing period n and then the target has the new rank in passing period n + 1, then the biggest risk is simply that the person they speak to, if it is somsebody that they could not have spoken to before, will accuse them of having lied about their ranking.

2) However, we already know that it will be impossible for scum to lie at the initial claim stage because they will get counterclaimed.

3) Accordingly, any purported change in popularity ranking will have to be true

The role wouldn't come into effect until the next night then. Like, if I target you N1, your popularity wouldn't move until D2. It would have to be like a Miller claim- as soon as you can that is.

The fact that the changes would be caused by a power role (though, we don't know of what alignment) instinctively makes me think that such changes should not be changed. Reason being is that, as a general rule I think, a person would want to increase the ranking of somebody they consider pro-town (so as to give them more choice) and decrease the ranking of somebody they suspect (so as to reduce their ability to pick their scumbuddies and avoid exposure to the town); hence, claiming changes, (publicly, since people might well target somebody they think is likely town and tell them about the change) could out a PR. So, at this stage I don't think changes should be publicly claimed.

Oh so you're saying they shouldn't claim (assuming that such a power exists, of course). I don't see how this could out another PR.

I'm ranked

tenth

in popularity.

[Andrius]

I'm not rigidly against it in all cases, I should add.

For instance, I think claiming is probably appropriate where a player who is generally regarded as being likely town (ie. the player knows that a relatively high proportion of the other players think they are town) goes down in their ranking. Reason being that such a fall most likely indicates that scum are trying to cripple them a bit, so it could be a valid towntell for that player. Obviously, though, if that X is the player whose ranking goes down despite being regarded generally as town and X is heavily suspected by Y and Y is also town, then X probably shouldn't claim. Basically, it's probably a judgment call thing best left to the player whose ranking goes down.

Ok. It makes sense. It allows for alot of WIFOM, especially with a popularity lowerer.

[Andrius]

third, please don't talk about other games if they are not relevant to scumhunting in this game

I only mentioned it because it is very similar to this game, in a way. But I will refrain from saying anything rule-breaking.

And I'm feeling an Andy/Tasky neighborhood tonight, unless #12 is cooler than you.

pre-post edit: *looking up wht IIoA is*

[Andrius]

This game isn't boring. It hasn't been open 24 hours yet either.

Wagonniing vollkan eh?
At this point I won't vote him for the sake of voting him and wagonning him. If I vote he will be at L-2, and forcing a claim on page three, with 4 people missing is stupid.

And claiming your reasoning is due to keeping boredom away isn't acceptable, even in RVS. ('Specially b/c we're in page 3.)

[Andrius]

RVS doesn't really "end" at a set time. It just does.

Why do you say that popularity is not random? I don't think its random.

[Andrius]

And why would you like to start a wagon on vollkan, who has arguably been one of the most pro-town players so far in this early game?

for fun... and for a reason that I'll tell later (it would self-nullify if told)

I'm rather curious as to this reason, given that there's not much info you could be using. Its not like we had a night start. :/

[Andrius]

He probably won't allow an anagram, dude.

@PD: I'm a nit higher on the richter scale in my life. lol

Ok wow. Can we refrain from self-voting? It doesn't do anything besides make us wonder why you're doing it.

[Andrius]

EBWOP: bit* higher on the richter scale

[Andrius]

Still waiting on 1/4 of the town.
This is like one of two games I'm alive in, so I am posting a bit much. lol

Hmmm.

[Andrius]

Xite, what popularity level are you?

I second this, given that it is a massclaim.

[Andrius]

So I'm either neighborizing Tasky or Xite. Hm.

I'm hoping the people who haven't posted do so, but the replacement player list is pretty awesome too.

[Andrius]

@MOD: If I successfully neighborize someone, and that person also successfully neighborizes someone, do we get a three-way quicktopic? Or is it two separate two-way QTs?

It might work, it would take 2 nights to set it up though.

A = 5.
B = 6.
C = 7.

C cannot do anything here. N1 A and B neighborize C.
A/C and B/C are the 'hoods.
N2 A neighborizes B.
Then you'd have A/C, A/B, B/C.
Whether or not they can be combined into A/B/C is another issue.

I'm against quicklynches, except special circumstances.

[Andrius]

No, QTs are for the whole game, if I'm right.

[Andrius]

So any QTs made N1 cannot be used until N2.
Fair enough.

[Andrius]

@ Tasky: We should probably organize neighborizing to some extent. Even if its just claiming our N1 Neighborize D2, we should do something to threaten the scum into neighborizing. We could probably claim N1 neighborizes today.

I meant everybody votes to force you to reveal your reason.

I support this. I'm still curious as to what the mystery reason was.

[Andrius]

Ok, so you're the one that started this whole mass popularity claim idea right?

To be fair, I think I mentioned it first, and vollkan claimed first.

I noticed that you didn't bother mentioning me at all in that big post of interesting things. :/ This like reverse buddying?

@ Max: You do know that we're creating neighborhoods, not masons, right? You've called them mason QTs, so I'm just making sure you know.
And for the record, I'm willing to support the day-after claim. Hell, maybe we should claim neighborhoods D3, after we've established some connections. Then again, that defeats the purpose of keeping the town semi-informed, so.

@andrius, I dont know, it was just a question. (popularity being nonrandom)

Look at your role in your role PM, and see if it could explain your spot on the popularity ladder. That's why I think popularity is nonrandom.

Re: Friend's buddying with me: I was the most active poster until I went to my friend's house earlier today. That could explain it. But I don't know what to say about the buddying.

7. vollkan was, in my mind, acting very pro-town.

He looks town now. PD and I know better though.

Ok, so I'm really torn on some of the players, namely Friend, Xite and Tasky. They're all relatively new here, so I keep looking at some actions as n00by (including some of the buddying, but again, I was the most active poster.) However, while they are newbies, they did sign up for a theme game, which is inherently harder, so they brought this on themselves, in a way.

I'll do a reread soon, and see what I come up with.

[Andrius]

@andrius, I will not comment more on that, but I think i see what you mean.

Ok good.

1) May have missed it, will re-read. I really think it was him first (I went back and checked on the first person to mention it when I made my big post of things, part of the reason I noticed friend at all)
2) Nope, just not seeing anything scummy/worth mentioning from you yet.
3) Exactly what I've been saying
4) Please don't blame it on noobieness we could be alts, or in my case played elsewhere. I thuroughly believe in what I'm saying.

2) I guess that's acceptable at the moment.
3) Ok good.
4) Alts? lol True, but MS has a specific way we work, and how we tick.

Man I'm too tired to post content. I'll just leave and go work on my large theme setup, and prevent myself from posting off-topic chat.

[Andrius]

@Andrius
1) on reread, he was the first one to mention a mass claim
all you did was soft claim your popularity

My bad.

Masons are neighbours. This is a mafia theory discussion not suitable for the game. But whenever I say mason realise I don't mean confirmed masons.

I see Masons and instantly infer they're alignment-confirmed. Neighbors aren't AC, Masons are. /my experience I just wanted to clear that up.

Questions to All

- Do you feel that The Player one above you on the ranking list is scum?
- If you had to choose now who would you lynch?
- Who do you think is most town at this time?

TheLonging is above me. I don't have a particular town/scum read on him, but he still hasn't finished his read-through analysis post which is questionable.
If I had to choose now, Tasky. He's my scummiest read of Xite/Friend/Tasky. And no one else has committed near as many errors (or posts).
The most town? PranaDevil's looking town, and vollkan as well, though I'm keeping an eye on him- with just cause.

[Andrius]

Vollkan looks pro-town as anything, but I do know from experience that looking pro-town and being pro-town are seperate things. Especially where Vollkan is concerned.

Yeah really. >_>

Vote: Tasky

Pointless to call him my #1 target and not vote.

[Andrius]

This is too soon for claiming. While I still think Tasky is the scummiest, we need to talk more. Sando seems a little too aggressive.

Technically, had Sando voted Tasky (which he was willing to do) Tasky would have been at L-2, which is acceptable claiming ground.

Aggresive is not bad. Its a playstyle.

[Andrius]

Hey, I'm the new guy. Welcome me. (Hi Andy~).

Be reading and posting thoughts soon.

OMG ITS VAS. 8D
I promise I won't D1 lynch you (without good reason) k?

[Andrius]

I have a history with Andrius. If I get lynched D1, he's scum. COUNT ON IT.

Will catch up after lunch. (I'm on a weird timezone so.).

I... yeah, that is true. Can't deny it. But I did win the first one, so.

And after lunch you should totally reply to my PM. *hinthint* /subtle

[/off-topic]

So Tasky was at L-1. How long do we have to harry him for a claim? Oh, Friend unvoted.

[Andrius]

Page 6:
Okay, I have no idea what Andy means with popularity being non-random. My 'flavor' role makes sense with my popularity rank.

No, I'm pretty sure I was arguing that popularity is non-random, as seen by our roles.

- Points for Andy because he seems to not be able to properly express himself in 1 post evidenced by people continously asking him 'Wait what?'. Sorry Andy~

Bah. Tell me which one and I can try harder. :/

Conclusion:
Tasky is a reasonable lynch.

So would you vote on a Tasky lynch?

[Andrius]

Let me go make an impromptu votecount; I'd be upset if you accidentially hammered him.

[Andrius]

Tasky (5) - PranaDevil, vollkan, Andrius, Sando, Friend

Updated.
Wow I have bad math skills. :/

[Andrius]

Andrius
Nothing particularly outstanding for me either way. Doesn't appear to be scum, but I'm always apprehensive of people who (like him) blend in...

I'll take what I can get, I suppose.

Answer 3: Have you played with Vollkan before? Do you feel that he is playing in the same way he does as scum?

Played with him in a recent Mini-Normal (along with Andrius). As I've only played a single game with him I also don't think it's fair to judge him based solely on that one game, as I don't have enough of a viewpoint to know how he plays regularly as mafia or town to say either way. In the game I played with Vollkan he was scum, but he was one of the most pro-town players in the game. The other pro-town player was also scum incidentally. That game however was plagued with stupidity, tunnelling, and about half of the players just outright disappearing. So while myself, Vollkan and Andrius have played in the same game previously, it only really leads to us knowing of each other, as opposed to being able to spot any tells from each other.

Yeah, same answer here. We three played in a mini normal. I played my worst D1 ever, then got semi-town-confirmed D3. I know I'm watching vollkan since that game; he was a town-read of mine, but I was surprised to see him live to D4, which was very scummy. So yes, I'll be watching him. PD's leaning town IMO.

@Andy: It's the 'not opt to' and the nonrandom point + some of my previous experience with you. Some of your points have to be explained before people understand what you meant by it rather than having it clear with one post.

I'm still a bit unclear as to what you mean.

[Andrius]

Ok, here's my 2 cents.
One of Xite/Friend is probably scum (if Tasky isn't).

Popularity List:
1. Max
2. PranaDevil
3. Scott Brosius
4. NicolBolas
5. vollkan
6. Sando
7. Seraphim
8. Friend
9. TheLonging
10. Andrius
11. Tasky
12. Xite91

Here it is again.

[Andrius]

And I miss Seraphim. He should totally play with us. Even if he keeps the RVS vote all day.

[Andrius]

Between you two... probably Xite. Especially if Tasky flips scum. There's no way he would be putting pressure on you with him at L-1, if you're his scumbuddy.
But I will Neighborize Xite, so we'll see where that takes us.

[Andrius]

Ok so I just noticed that Tasky isn't dead. While this isn't a surprise, let me tell you why its important.

A) All the scum are already on the wagon
B) Tasky is scum who isn't going to be hammered by scum
C) Everyone's too lazy/fearful to hammer
D) There really isn't a majority of people willing to see Tasky dead

Discuss the likelyhoods of A and B.

[Andrius]

Just shoot me down, Prana, shoot me down.

@ Max: Either D or A doesn't help us out at all.

[quote-"Sando"]
There is almost certainly scum on the Tasky wagon, regardless of his alignment. Either he's town, in which case there's a high likelihood scum are helping it along, it's pretty rare you get a townperson lynched D1 without any scum on the wagon. Or he's scum, in which case there's a fair bet that there's a scum bussing him, scum aren't going to want to get completely caught off a scum-wagon on D1.

I also think it's a near certainty that there is scum off the Tasky wagon, scum don't want to be all on the same wagon. Simplifying the situation in 4 possible scenarios is pretty foolish at this stage.
[/quote]
Isn't this true of like, every game?

'Ello to ReaperCharlie.

[Andrius]

/Fail with the quote tags.

[Andrius]

@ Max: Either D or A doesn't help us out at all.

Well A helps us. As does D if a majority of players don't want tasky lynched then we move on and find someone we do.

I meant that it doesn't help us, in the sense that we won't know (ATM) that all the scum are there.

[Andrius]

PD's #s:

1) True. They could be waiting for the wagon to die down with an alt wagon.

2.a) Unlikely. I think he would have been hammered if they were waiting for it.
2.b) Leaning this over 2.a.

Well, I have seen (and been part of) whole scumteams that D1 wagonn'd a person. (Greek Mythos.)

[Andrius]

By my calculations, that's 2 replacements required, and another potential replacement... seriously? The last mini normal I played in (Alongside Vollkan and Andrius) was plagued with people vanishing, I hope this game doesn't go the same way.

This game better not fall through. I would be a sad panda.

bv and RC. This should be interesting. At least I have Vas still.

Unvote, Vote: Sando

I feel that the Tasky wagon isn't going anywhere, and Tasky's been doing well on his own. I'm leaning town on him, but would be willing to vote him at deadline.

When is deadline, Llama?

Sorry for not providing much. I'll get back into the game soon; I'm in the midst of posting catch-up posts everywhere. lol

[Andrius]

Updated Popularity List:
1. Max
2. PranaDevil
3. VasudeVa

Scott Brosius

4. bv310

NicolBolas

5. vollkan
6. Sando
7. ReaperCharlie

Seraphim

8. RayFrost

Friend

9. ConfidAnon

TheLonging

10. Andrius
11. Tasky
12. CSL

Xite91

[Andrius]

The reread was never done btw, or at least wasn't posted.

Wasn't posted. It was for my comprehension, not a "I'll reread and post some thoughts".

I notice everyone has avoided actually looking at Tasky's claim or commenting on my analysis.

I saw it. I chose not to comment on the claim. Foreign exchange students are pretty popular at my school, but that isn't going to make this game any different, so I kept my mouth shut.
An OMGUS vote and a sudden case out of nowhere? I'm entertaining the thought of Tasky/Sando, or Sando/Friend.

[Andrius]

I notice everyone has avoided actually looking at Tasky's claim or commenting on my analysis.

I saw it. I chose not to comment on the claim. Foreign exchange students are pretty popular at my school, but that isn't going to make this game any different, so I kept my mouth shut.
An OMGUS vote and a sudden case out of nowhere? I'm entertaining the thought of Tasky/Sando, or Sando/

Friend

RayFrost.

Woohoo for lack of reasoning! Go andri, go andri, you're scummy!

Seriously.

You aren't giving any reasoning as to how tasky / sando is realistic, why sando is scummy, or how I am scummy, or how sando / me is realistic.

Do so. Now. Preferably with pringles as a gift. Everything is better with pringles.

I was "entertaining the thought" which is nothing more than me thinking about it for a couple seconds. A passing trend, if you will.
Pringles do not motivate me.
Wait, who are you?
Err, that is, who are you replacing? Friend? Hm.
But I don't want to do work... I just want to be lazy...
I'll work on the reasoning when I'm not popping pills, ok? Thanks.

[Andrius]

I can always smell a good wagon a mile off.

Unvote; Vote: Andrius

Why am I not surprised?
I can't possibly be scum in every game we're in together.

[Andrius]

Sorry for not posting. I've been *essentially* spamming another game I'm in, so just be lucky you avoided that. >_>
And yeah. I was really active when D1 started, but then kinda' faded into the background when everyone else joined in.

Ok, here's my 2 cents.
One of Xite/Friend is probably scum (if Tasky isn't).

[Reasoning Needed]

Gut, and their constant bickering when they were actually in the game.

Andrius, I was pretty much content with ignoring you day one and looking back on you later, solely because my previous experience with you was such that it was nigh on impossible to work out if you were town or scum as you played the VI role to perfection, and I admit, the chances of you doing so again are likely.

>_> That was a big slam, Prana. I'm not trying to play VI. I just failed in my original take on this game: I was going to just post and be active like I have never been before. That obviously failed once everyone else came in, and I got lazy.
Yes, I know I call myself lazy alot. Deal with it. I'm just not as motivated here as elsewhere. >_>

That he thinks Andrius is scum, RC is town, and he just wants any lynch day 1? Possible but anti-town. Knows Andrius is scum thanks to other info? I'm leaning that way), but he also hasn't responded to the fact people are saying he needs to post more and has spectacularly failed to actually do anything of actual use in the game up to now.

I've been ignoring RC in this game because its part of the RC/Andy meta for him to vote me, so. Should probably stop ignoring him.

With Andrius: Well, I'll be upfront and honest with you now that I don't want him lynched yet coz we've been wanting to play together for a while now(especially since, in ALL of our games together thus far, one of us gets lynched D1.) But I really can't disagree with both you and Sando's points against him.

I have experienced him play scum twice and so far, isn't really playing like his scumself.

He's so obv when he's scum it's kinda cute

(See: Greek Mythology, Trader Mafia.). I'll gladly move my vote if/when he becomes scummier.

I think you mean YOU get lynched D1. >_> I don't get lynched D1. Didn't I hammer you in Trader Mafia?

@ italicized: O_O

You say the wagon isn't going anywhere, implying that's a bad thing. You then say Tasky is seeming town to you (so surely that makes redundant the fact that the wagon isn't going there), but then you'd be willing to swap again at deadline (for somebody you are leaning town on??). Heavily suggests hedging of one's bets. +3

"Welcome to mafiascum.net, where we see Andrius is a cautious town player. Tune into *on-going game* to see him take 2 pages to hammer someone!" [/sarcasm]

vollkan/Sando banter makes me want to skip their whole posts. Which is why I have probably missed stuff. Sorry for not caring enough to read it. I looked at the quote tags and didn't see my name so I skimmed over it. ^^;

Remind me when this game is up to make a MD thread.

About what? (It might help me remember later.)

[Andrius]

THIS IS NOT GOOD POSTING. Sure, you state the completely obvious, and there's not really anything wrong with that. But then you try and force people to consider only two possibilities without any personal analysis of it. This, in of itself, is suspect.

So shoot me. I was asking people for their opinions on something. I'm not telling them "IT MUST BE A OR B SO GO AHEAD AND NOT BOTHER THINKING FOR YOURSELF".

Your lack of analysis isn't helping at all either, so call it even.

That would be me coasting along not doing anything helpful. I do that alot, I admit. >_>

Sure, it's possible, so is what PD said. I don't like the fact you also fail to consider the possibility that... *suspenseful pause* ... the case is bad. You seem to assume that he's either scum or the scum are already on him. Now, naturally, 2.a could encompass lolbadcase, but you don't discuss that part of the scenario... nor do you really discuss anything.

I don't think the case was bad. I voted him, remember?
There's scum on almost any given wagon, so I'm right there. Err, correct there.

I really, really, really, really dislike this post. You unvote him based off of "the wagon isn't going anywhere" and then also say you are now leaning town on him while being willing to vote at deadline.

A lynch is better than no lynch. I'd be willing to vote anyone over a No Lynch, given its D1. (Assuming they don't claim a PR, *insert good reason here*, etc.)

1. If the wagon isn't going anywhere, you reiterate your case, etc. I also dislike the fact this comes after I asked for a brief summary of the tasky case. Feels like a dodge and also jumping off a wagon as it loses steam (a la lack of conviction)

Is the first line what I did or what I should've done?

2. You say tasky's been "doing well on his own" without much explanation. It seems like a very generic way of excusing your previous suspicion. In addition, it's something that would (hypothetically) make me feel that you, as scum, were trying to bus. (he's doing well on his own kinda implies you were trying to improve his situation with the vote or some such, could be wrong on my interpretation)

Yes I did. I'm assuming the other people are reading the thread to see what Tasky's been doing. If they don't agree, I can debate it.
That's what I thought, so take it or leave it.

3. You vote sando without giving any reason whatsoever as to why you are. It really is looking like you are just jumping on the most popular wagon without really justifying why. Coattailin' anybody?

Well, it was me being lazy and me liking the case on Sando and other stuff. It wasn't the most popular wagon (I think), I'm pretty sure Tasky was still #1. Not coattailin'.

[Andrius]

Last volley before I go to bed.

Main point of contention in bold. Conveniently ignored.

No, I didn't discuss anything. Coasting by, as stated before. You caught me: lazy town player. Slap me in irons and lead me to the gallows. I hope you're not surprised.

Then that'd make the comment moot, besides, you should not be willing to vote somebody you think is town at deadline - it's better to vote somebody you DO NOT think is town. The issue is willingness to lynch a town read.

Town read =/= town. Read POWERFUL WIZARD MAFIA. Town reads aren't always town aligned.

The first line is what you should've done if you still felt the case was good.

Well, there's another prime example of me being lazy.

"I assume others are reading the thread, so I don't have to explain myself" ~= what you are saying here, imo... and it's horrible reasoning.

Yep, pretty much. If they want to debate it they will. If not, no. Horrible reasoning or not, that's what happened, so.

A wagon that "isn't going anywhere" is hardly #1. Especially considering there were two very active players attacking sando (max + vollkan = lethal combo, imo). The fact that you are just giving a generic "I like the case and other stuff [that will not in any way be discussed or explained by me]" is actually reinforcement of the coattailing idea. You are giving a blanket agreement with two highly active and semi-aggressive players while pretending to give a semblance of actual content while not really doing so. (note: VV attacked PD on this issue but not andrius). I'd also like to note that vollk was on the tasky wagon and was then moving to an attack on sando. You were on the tasky wagon and are now moving on to sando. If this isn't playing "follow vollkan" I really don't know what is.
1) It still can be, and was.
2) vollkan being 'lethal' is somewhat funny, given the our last game together he was a town-read but mafia, so.
2x) So i'm supposed to sit here and let vollkan and Max just work on Sando? Yeah, because those two have enough votes to lynch the man. [/sarcasm]
3) I'm doing the "follow the good case on probable scum" play. I wouldn't follow vollkan, especially after 951.

That's it for today.

[Andrius]

Tags fail.
oh well.

[Andrius]

@ Andrius: Oh come on. You know what I mean. . I'm pretty sure you are Town, and you arey my strongest Town read right about now(Since all the other Town reads I have are slightly weaker.) Explanations come when asked.


Where the hell are the other replacements anyhow? D:

I put that line into my schnazzy new Wiki page. Thank you much. You lean town too.

I know that RC's wife was going into labor the other night, so he's busy.

Lolwat? There's an entire post of mine dedicated to you, with all of the quotes directed at you, where I voted you.

--; Show it to me and I'll take a look; don't expect anything ground-breaking though.

[Andrius]

Sorry dudes. I should have called V/LA over the weekend, but I didn't, so.

I'm going to use my POWERFUL WIZARD POWERS... I predict bv310 flaking out of the game.

Content later. I'm kind of busy ATM, getting back from the weekend.

[Andrius]

Oh, and Yay for Parama!

[Andrius]

Page 17: ReaperCharlie spams and doesn't do much besides air his dirty laundry in regards to a recent scum win, where Parama and myself were the scumteam (with Dramonic).

Andrius has decided now is a good time to go VLA.

I went abroad, and didn't realize that there wouldn't be Internet until it was too late. So I failed in taking a V/LA.

[qoute="Sando"]
Andrius has provided literally no content the entire game, and has opportunistically jumped on every wagon going.[/quote]
False and partly false.
I have provided content, in the beginning of the game and in my bouts with RayFrost on page... 16[?]. And I don't think I've been on every wagon.

Again: bv will flake. RC will get away without rereading/posting major content until D2 and/or a wagon is made against him.

[Andrius]

Erratum:

Don't like bv310 flaking without even posting once though.

bv310 posted once in a while when I read him correctly as Town. This is different and I don't like it. Plus Nicol's play leaves nothing to be desired.

Ugh.

bv flakes out of alot of games. :/ It makes me frustrated. :\

@ Vas: Every vote on me from RC is OMGUS. To him, if I'm not confirmed town, I'm scum.

@ RC: Why is that post so scummy enough to warrant a vote? (Don't be hatin' on me.)


As a side note, I wonder if everyone's flavor-character will make thematic sense in the lynches, NP actions, etc.

[Andrius]

Yeah, I noticed that. I read him correctly in our last game together though, but I don't like this bv here.

We played with him before? It wasn't Greek Mythos or Trader Mafia...

But yeah. bv is a tough read because he just doesn't post/ get involved. :/

[Andrius]

No, I meant 'our' as in 'bv and me'(not including you. In fact, why would you include yourself? Is this another one of them grammar arguments or something!? XD).

I read him correctly in Advance Wars Mafia. He was a particularly cooperative Townie there. Here, I guess he's the bv310 everyone knows about.

I took "our" as Vas and Andy, not Vas and bv.

That game was special though. No replacements at all. bv would have been lynched/modkilled/cannibalized had he flaked, due to the game's record. lol

I'm going to bed. Lots to do tomorrow. lol

[Andrius]

This is Andrius stating that he is willing to vote RC at any time, anywhere. (He knows why.) [/OMGUS]

Tazaro made a bad entrance, IMO. (Disregarding the fact that he voted me.)

@ Taz and RC: HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ THE THREAD YET?
If no, STFU and read it.

VASUDEVA HAS GRAMMAR PROBLEMS OK? IVE SEEN THIS IN EVERY GAME I PLAY WITH HIM. I WILL POST LINKS TO THE GRAMMAR DEBATES IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY IF YOU WISH.

I think that RC needs to shut the hell up and post some content

QFT.

Sando's right, VV's wrong. VV + Andrius scum team. Calling it now

Getting torn to shreds when you lynch me. I might be forced to cut before I go.

He wants something...

I WANT YOUR LOVE AND ALL YOUR LOVERS REVENGE, YOU AND ME COULD WRITE A BAD ROMANCE! RAH RAH ROMAMA ROMA ROMAMA GA GA

Call this a bad post or whatever; scum is definitely taking D1 off. I give them permission to hammer me into oblivion so I'm not tempted to do it myself.

[Andrius]

I'm convinced more than ever that RC hasn't even read the thread, given that he didn't recognize the Popularity Rating List when Parama posted it, and he didn't realize we claimed our numbers at all.

FoS: RC

[Andrius]

Is it too much to ask you to read the game?
Is it too much to ask to read the game, in order to help the town? Because you're doing a hell of a job NOT helping out. >_>

[Andrius]

Can we just vote RC for a lynch here?! Not only is it good policy lynching (he's refusing to actually help town), but what's more it's just good lynching regardless because...

he's refusing to actually help town!

Factor in all the damned refusal to pay attention or read anything, and we have ourselves someone who is wasting our time at the very best, and getting in the way deliberately at the very worst.

I can and will support this wagon if need be.

[Andrius]

RC is anti-town/scummy, but I honestly feel that it is better to get activescumthatmayslipfromgrasp over nonactivescumthatwilldoabsolutelynothing.

Basically, andrius is the former, RC is the latter, clearly better to lynch andrius.

I'm confused. RC's definitely more active than me? Y/N?
I fail to see how he's non-active.

[Andrius]

RC is anti-town/scummy, but I honestly feel that it is better to get activescumthatmayslipfromgrasp over nonactivescumthatwilldoabsolutelynothing.

Basically, andrius is the former, RC is the latter, clearly better to lynch andrius.

I'm confused. RC's definitely more active than me? Y/N?
I fail to see how he's non-active.

Non-active means not contributing anything at all or even trying to pretend to. It's a lack of proactive action or, really, any action whatsoever.

Between RC and yourself, I feel that RC is less beneficial as a lynch in so much that I think both of you are scum but I think your lynch would give more information as to who the scum buddies are than RC. RC's an

extremely

easy lynch, so there'd be almost nothing to gain from watching the lynch happen while a lynch of you has the benefits of people taking sides and arguing about it for future reference.

Both are scum, but one scum lynch gives more info than the other.

You make a good point.
I'd almost support my lynch over RC's, but you'll have to forgive me if I don't vote myself, as I know I'm town and don't know that to be un-true of him, so.

[Andrius]

Kill Andrius and I will find your next scum.

Kill me and all you will find is a town-aligned dead guy. I hope you eat crow & shit D2. Your "personal tell" on me is a load of crap, and I'm starting to think that if you ARE scum, pushing this hard for my lynch when I will flip town is a horrid move to make. Maybe you just don't care (plausible, given your "retirement").

AND HOW CAN YOU FiND SCUM WiTHOUT READing THE THREAD MORON?!?

WE DID NOT MASSCLAIM. WE CLAIMED POPULARITY DUMBASS. READ THE DAMN THREAD.

[Andrius]

Outside of that, andrius, try to remain civil.

Calling people "moron" an sich is against the rules and I'd hate for you to have to suffer punishment.

That aside, deadline was extended by the mod until the 3rd, I think. We should be lynching soon, though.

Sorry. Fate appears to be rubbing off on me. And I'm just ticked with RC, so. >_> /will now ignore his presence

So call me crrazy but I'm starting to think (logically) that RC is town. If he were mafia he wouldn't UBER-WAGON my lynch (since he would know I am town), especially without having read the thread. I

WANT

him to be scum though. :igmeoy:

Vote stays where it is.

Prana/vollkan/Sando scumteam

Curious, as I had never considered the possibility of BOTH of them being scum...

Tazaro is a Bleeding-heart VI ATM. I'm willing to bet he hasn't even read the thread yet.

[Andrius]

....Yeah, let's just deadline lynch RC. I prefer his lynch. Pretty good chance of flipping scum actually.

Vote: RC

WRONG WAGON BUDDY.
Its Sando we're after.

[Andrius]

/ninja'd

[Andrius]

Actually, I changed my mind.

Vote: Tazaro

. Votehopping between the two largest wagons is like woah.

VasudeVa/Sando/Prana scumteam anyone?

Hrmmm... I've never actually played with scum_VV before...

Parama, what's with a new 3-man scum-team each page? :S I mean, I know how you play as scum , I was just curious.

Parama =/= scum ATM. (My opinion.) He played WONDERFULLY as scum in PWM. This =/= that play.

Prana/Sando/vollkan maybe?

[Andrius]

^that's what I had on the last page. My opinions change as the game goes on and more people do really scummy things.

K.

[Andrius]

Have you not been reading? I've posted content before! Honest.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2269474

See?

ITT RC shows that he's being an @$$ just to be an @$$.

[Andrius]

Have you not been reading? I've posted content before! Honest.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2269474

See?

ITT RC shows that he's being an @$$ just to be an @$$.

But don't vote him, he's obv. town it would appear, and it's scummy to vote for him.

I know. I read town on him. Its too bad he's high on the scale. At least he doesn't have issues with low popularity- he's got his pick of choices for tonight.

[Andrius]

PRANA. I AM NOT VOTING RC. I READ HIM AS TOWN BECAUSE SCUM WOULD NOT WASTE A MAN TRYING TO WAGON ME TO DEATH.
IF I WERE A GOOD PLAYER, MAYBE. BUT NOT ANDY.

[Andrius]

PRANA. I AM NOT VOTING RC. I READ HIM AS TOWN BECAUSE SCUM WOULD NOT WASTE A MAN TRYING TO WAGON ME TO DEATH.
IF I WERE A GOOD PLAYER, MAYBE. BUT NOT ANDY.

Boom. Smart man.

But smart = cunning = possibly evil + secret tell = definitely evil.

Care to tell me what your "secret tell" is? You can always wait until after I die (whenever that may be).

[Andrius]

Alright, you just use it 100 times and see how many times I turn up town. Watch and see.

After Scumstorm? More like after you've retired and don't care anymore.

[Andrius]

Well fine. I guess you won't get a pic of me if you retire.

...besides, all I have is me in a tux and me in a scarf with a girl, so.

[Andrius]

Why wouldn't I get a pic of you? And why would I need one?

Wait... you ARE coming to Scumstorm, aren't you?

AREN'T YOU?!?!?!!

You wanted one awhile ago... you not so subtly gave me a link to the Face with a Name thread.

Erm... umm...

[Andrius]

OK WHOA WAIT. PORTLAND IS ONLY 3 HOURS AWAY, NOT 6. lol

[Andrius]

Big difference.

<3

No excuse now.

Hitch a ride with t3h spYrecks.

Is he coming? I have my own car, BTW.
My mode of travel/length of stay all depends on if I tell my folks or just disappear...

SORRY FOR DERAILING THE GAME.

[Andrius]

RC hasn't actually read this game at all. Not even skimmed. That reaks of scum. I would support his lynch unless someone has Meta Evidence supporting that he never reads games.

I'm sure he reads some games, but I dug up this jewel from a game I replaced into:

You sir, are a pillar of responsibility and motivation.

There's no way I'd read through 60 pages of a game I replaced into.

I commend you.

Bold is mine.

[Andrius]

Boy/young man/whatever.

Come to Scumstorm. I'm convincing SpyreX and his wife at this very moment, so you better not let me down.

So yeah. RC is town. LAZY town, but town nonetheless. Either that or he is scum counting on me to think that he wouldn't risk his life to get me lynched... but that's WIFOM_reverse_psycology, so.

Hey RC, can I get you to support a Sando lynch?
[off-topic]SpyreX is married? [/off-topic]

[Andrius]

Apparently so.

And idk about a Sando lynch, I'd have to re-read.

Yeah right. No way in hell you're going to reread.
You wagonn'ed me because it was an easy thing for you to do, without even rereading.

@ Tazaro: He was talking to me.

[Andrius]

And idk about a Sando lynch, I'd have to re-read.

LOL did I seriously just say that?

facepalm

Yeah you did.

[Andrius]

Except he's calling me scum without having read.

[Andrius]

RC, please reread or replace out. Thank you.

RC is acting deliberately anti-town, but I still read him as town for the moment. Vote stays.

Let me take a look at my wagon: RayFrost (good case on me), Sando (I'm voting him, case on me), RC ("personal scumtell" based on meta, hasn't actually read the game, OMGUS to some degree because I am me).

Everyone not voting me or Sando needs to hop on one of the two wagons and/or state your preference. We're nearing deadline and I have no problem being lynched, but we need to get moving.

[Andrius]

FoS: PranaDevil

I know that I'm not scum, so I can't be your scumbuddy, but perhaps you're Sando's buddy. We'll see.

Maybe I'll call an alliance and get things moving...

[Andrius]

I'll even lump bv310's slot into my town-reads because he seems to flake out stronger as town. :/

[Andrius]

We need to vote RC, bollocks to the Sando/Andrius wagons. RC is scummy as all hell.

Get on one of the wagons. Period.

RC is scum, how about getting the hell on the obv. scum wagon instead of blatantly ignoring obv. scum behaviour?

RC is obv_town because scum_RC wouldn't no-read and wagon me D1 KNOWING I was town.

[Andrius]

Popularity List:
1. Max
2. PranaDevil
3. VasudeVa
4. bv310
5. vollkan
6. Sando
7. ReaperCharlie
8. RayFrost
9. Tazaro
10. Andrius
11. Parama
12. ShiftyWhip

New and improved.

[Andrius]

^ That is barring and replacements, changes in popularity numbers, etc.

[Andrius]

vote: Andrius

He's scum.

May I ask why?

Not sure why PD was killed...

[Andrius]

Yeah, PD is dead.

Popularity List:
1. Max

2. PranaDevil

3. VasudeVa
4. iiiiiiq
5. vollkan

6. Sando

7. vezokipria
8. RayFrost
9. Tazaro
10. Andrius
11. Parama
12. ShiftyWhip

Definitely perplexed over the PD kill.

[Andrius]

@MOD: Is it against the rules for us to say who we have quick topics with?

I don't think it is.

[Andrius]

And now Sando claims so we can lynch him.

I think the person who has one of the highest credibilities right now is PranaDevil, not you, Parama.

Well, thanks for telling me why you killed him.

lol Way to be helpful. lol

[Andrius]

The guy above you is totally not scum. You just don't want me in a QT with you so I can't compare your play here to POWERFUL WIZARDS mafia.

I have 2 QTs. One with the not-so nice guy beneath me and one from higher up the social ladder.

[Andrius]

Well, vezopiraka (who replaced reaper charlie) has a quicktopic with me. He was 7th; I was 9th. He avoided RayFrost who was one of the ones who voted for Andrius. Did PranaDevil have a point about reaper's being scum who wasn't feeling a need to scum hunt?

Because I would think that scum would avoid people that have voted for scum, which could apply in the case of RayFrost's voting for Andrius.

I have another quicktopic with someone, but I don't know if that person approves of me saying so. I don't care about saying I have a qt with vezo, though.

Italics are mine: what are you trying to say there? I can't Neighborize RF, and he didn't Neighborize me, so.

[Andrius]

Like you needed to tell us that, Parama?

[Andrius]

Additional point: Where is Andrius, is he ducking day two discussion?

[BAD MOOD RANT]
WELL IM SORRY FOR HAVING THINGS TO DO TODAY.
F*** OFF.
[/BAD MOOD RANT]

[Andrius]

I got RayFrost as scum.

Hm. I semi feel him as scum, since I was an obvious lynch choice and he knew he'd be able to push me through to a lynch either D1/D2/DWhatever so. Its also gut, so.
And you're a town read, BTW, because of RC.

but even if Andrius is not scum, Parama's behavior is and his vote would be an easy lynch that should not be a bait that we consider taking before we kill Parama.
I don't know what to think of VV.

Parama's a tricky one. Watch him. >_> That's why I neighborized him.
VV's a cool cat. Trust me.
He loves Studio Ghibli. Enough said.

Both his reason for Rayfrost-scum and Parama-scum is based on meta, which is totally useless.

You left out VV's meta defense of me. Why?

After thinking about it, I'd support an Andrius lynch. I think Parama's telling the truth about stuff.

I'm glad you're actually thinking now.

And I'm making the suggestion that Parama should not be the lynch because Parama is saying stuff I believe.

Maybe I'm easily swayed, but plenty of us can see that the concept of an Andrius lynch is in the air.

No shit. I was a wagon on D1, and you expect everyone to drop it? /fail

right now im willing to believe parama about andrius being scum so
vote:andrius

Glad to know we're all reading the thread, and making actually thinking like Taz.

Vote: Parama

What I really want to do is to check out the progression of votes to Andy way back D1 when Sando posted a case against Andy. A townie(Sando) posting a huge and convincing case like that on a fellow Townie(which is what my read of Andy is.) scum generally would hop along like hungry dogs. But, again my stupid internet is stupid and I won't be able to read it without shooting myself in the head in frustration.

Great idea! /Vas is awesome

>_> Great, another really spacey vollkan post. lol

Definitely feel scum in Parama/vollkan/Rayfrost. Yes, it is gut. No, I don't care if I'm lynched for following my gut.

[Andrius]

Yay. I just figured one obvious scum.

Because scum want to be found? So I'm sitting here drawing attention to myself because I'm scum and want to be lynched? /fail-logic

[Andrius]

V/LA from today to Monday night.

I don't think I'll have internet where I'm going, so.

[Andrius]

Tazaro is looking more scummy and less like a VI, while I look at him.

[Andrius]

RF replaced out?
I don't blame him, I guess.
Lynch me or whatever. I'm depressed ATM so I don't really care.

[Andrius]

You are AtEing now. That is not a good mood. Cheer up man.

I don't mean to AtE, I'm just saying what's going on in my life.

Quote reeks of trying to get another person for people to go after.

KILL THIS ONE TOMORROW PLEASE. NO WAY TOWN WILL WIN WITH HIM IN LYLO.

How's that for ya'?

[Andrius]

Still think RF/Friend could be scum...

I'd have to do a reread to make a case, and I'm really unmotivated to do that b/c:
1) Activity is low
2) I'm lynch wagon #1

:/

[Andrius]

That seems out of the blue, Parama.

[Andrius]

Not at all. [/sarcasm]

[Andrius]

Huggle: Twomz

[Andrius]

Hi Xite. Long time no see.

Do you still find Friend's slot scummy? I do. If you help me lynch him I'll neighborize you. <3

[Andrius]

okay, I haven't even gotten halfway thru the game yet, but here's what I got so far.
First, to those of you who neighborized my slot, I apologize on it's behalf for not saying ANYTHING, but hey, you guys could have started the convo too, ya kno.

Tasky is scum because sando flipped town
Friend's slot still seems a bit scummy to me, but not as bad as Andrius' last post to me, considering how Ray came after him with good points.
VV based on an early read, you seem scummy to me.
From what I saw of volkan, he is also kind of scummy. He needs to start posting his ideas and standpoints on players, and of course actual cases, instead of, oh that's not scummy.
I also have a bad vibe from max.

Still reading through, so if some of these people have been replaced, please inform me. For now,

Unvote, Vote Tasky's slot

(in case it's not him anymore)

WTF. FRIEND IS BETTER LYNCH THAN TASKY.
FEEL SORRY FOR THE FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT.

I AM STILL TOWN, JUST TOO DEPRESSED TO CARE RIGHT NOW.

XITE DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TOWN READS OR IS EVERYONE JUST SCUM? IF SO, MAYBE YOU'RE THE SCUM KEEPING YOUR POSSIBILITIES OPEN.

[Andrius]

Nope, I usually have more scum reads then town, but right now, those are the scumnies in my opinion and everyone else seems town right now.
Why did you just get so angry at that? Just wondering

I AM JUST POSTING IN CAPS BECAUSE I CAN. LOL

[Andrius]

Parama and me as a scumteam? Surely you jest.

LOL. Emo guy andrius.

Andrius is scum lynch him xite please.

WARNING, WARNING. ROLEFISHING.

Your welcome post rubbed me the wrong way

Interesting slip...

Except its not a slip, silly.

EXCEPT I WILL NOT FLIP SCUM.

THE MOD WOULD NOT PURPOSEFULLY GIVE ME THE ROLENAME HE DID IF I WERE SCUM. I MEAN COME ON.

[Andrius]

And now he's clogging the thread, and gaming the mod...

Invote, Vote Andrius

"Gaming the mod"? What is that supposed to mean?

Not clogging the thread. I'm posting, which is more than some people care to do.

[Andrius]

I'm still not sure what you mean by "gaming the mod". >_> CLARIFY PLZKTHX.

[Andrius]

Oh.
That's called WIFOM, Xite.

[Andrius]

I didn't roleclaim.
I'm not at L-2 or higher and I'm in no imminent danger.

It was presumed that I had softclaimed twice D1, which I didn't do.

[Andrius]

Its like this:
Let's say we're playing WWII leaders mafia.
If someone claims Hitler, he's probably scum.

[Andrius]

Something tells me I've been in this debate before...

I WAS. Greek Mythology we debated whether Ares was scum or not, due to God of War, the game series.
I was Hades. I was scum. I stuck it to the town three days after being confirmed as scum.
I used to be a decent scum player.

[Andrius]

What's that last sentence have to do with anything?
Also, it varies from game to game, just sayin.

My scum game is horrible of late.

[Andrius]

I can see that...

[Andrius]

Except I'm not. lol
And this isn't my scumgame.

[Andrius]

NO IM NOT DEAD. YOU ACTUALLY NEED A MAJORITY TO LYNCH ME EMO ASS.
JUST BECAUSE IM EMO DOESN'T MEAN I TAKE ONE LESS VOTE TO LYNCH OR ANY OF THAT JAZZ.

AND I AM STILL TOWN, BTW.

[Andrius]

How new is this scale, vollkan?

[Andrius]

@ vollkan: I was just curious, because I didn't see it in Prison Mafia.

Welcome back NicolBolas!

[Andrius]

Just read the damn thread, Taz.

[Andrius]

I forgot Twomz is in this game too!

[Andrius]

Andrius feels like a frustated player. Who do you think is the scum here?

Xite91

ShiftyWhip CSL Xite91

Null read. CSL didn't do anything for me, more like lame town. Xite's semi scummy again.

VasudeVa

Scott Brosius

Vas is town. Unless I'm horribly mistaken.

Max

Town?

Tazaro

ConfidAnon TheLonging

VI My choice for a Vig kill

NicolBolas

iiiiiiq bv310 NicolBolas

Null. All players in this slot haven't left a mark on me, IIRC.

Andrius

Town. D'oh.

vollkan

Null. Possibly scum?

vezokpiraka

ReaperCharlie Seraphim

RC made the slot town. Vezok isn't doing a great job.

Twomz

RayFrost Friend

Besides for the part that this is Twomz, I think the slot is scum. Sorry buddy.

Parama

Tasky

I think either Parama/ the slot above him is scum.

[Andrius]

Popularity List:
1. Max
3. VasudeVa
4. NicolBolas
5. vollkan
7. vezok
8. Twomz
9. Tazaro
10. Andrius
11. Parama
12. Xite

Reposting.

Based off this...

[Andrius]

Null reads are bad. What part of that do you not understand? They're supposed to be posting more, being more active, townish. Besides, if RF/Friend/Twomz flips we'll just be hunting his scumbuddies, not individual scum like we are now.

Still not voting him b/c no chance of a wagon ATM, so.

[Andrius]

RC was town because he was pushing for my lynch. Hard, IIRC.
Now, obviously I'd flip town. And when I flip town he'd look REALLY scummy.
So he'd be lynched next.
Now, why would scum sacrifice a scumbuddy to get me lynched?
There's no logical sense behind it.
So that's my read on RC. Take it or leave it.

[Andrius]

And you do realize you are voting me, right Nicol?

[Andrius]

This should be interesting.
I feel RC was town, but vezok sullied my read... not enough for a vote though.

[Andrius]

Well. I gained 3 conversations last night. I guess I'm somewhat popular. >_>

Also, I'm pondering the possible existance of two scum. So 2:10. Why? If the scum steamrolls town town is at LyLo and loses N3 with 3:3, 3 lynched townies, 3 NK'd townies. That doesn't leave much room for the mass-neighborizer mechanic. :/

Just a thought as I sit here with a grand total of 5 QTs, 3 of which I may never use.

[Andrius]

Also, time to play a mod-WIFOM minigame!

1. Max
2. PranaDevil

3. VasudeVa
4. NicolBolas
-------------
5. vollkan

6. Sando
7. vezokpiraka

8. Twomz
-------------
9. Tazaro
10. Andrius
11. Parama
12. Xite91

1 scum in each of those groups = good theory IMO. And hey, a vollkan/Andrius/VasudeVa scumteam still works in that scenario! What a coincidence.

Mod WIFOM wouldn't work. All he has to do is randomly assign numbers, regardless of alignment.
Theory blown.
Next

dumb

idea.

[Andrius]

I propose a quick poll. Since this is MYLO- Should we nolynch? Why?

I believe that we should because I'm not as certain as the others about who is scum. Also, we could use our neighbors a bit more, one more night, before we risk lynching.

I like the last line here. I want to talk to all the loving people who neighborized me. <3

[Andrius]

I don't think your theory is wrong. I know your theory is unjustifiable. For the simple reason that your theory rests on the assumption that the mod would abandon a fundmanetal tenet of basic modding practice - namely, that the role allocation is random.

Go read Thrillville.
There were 3 classes of players: Managers, Staff, Guests.
Guess where the 3 scum were put? One in each slot.
That was a horrible move, and I don't think LlamaFluff would do something stupid like that.

[Andrius]

Err, that was meant for Parama, against his theory.

[Andrius]

Ugh.
I feel like we should lynch, but the No Lynch would be just as helpful. And more time with the lovely people who talked with me N2. <3

[Andrius]

I don't make cases during nights, and I've been busy so far this week. I'll try to get it up soon but I really haven't even started typing up the case I have yet.

It doesn't stop you from being malicious though.

[Andrius]

No Lynch/vollkan
Twomz
Parama

I'm convinced the scum is in these three.

[Andrius]

[Andrius]

Pretty much.
I wouldn't lynch you for no reason, Twomz.
Well, maybe OMGUS from another game, but still.

Definitely for the RayFrost/Friend play. Not a fan.

[Andrius]

Correct me if I'm wrong vollkan, but I'm pretty sure you once told me that self-meta is useless and WIFOM-ridden.
Only when other players bend over backwards (and read Scum QTs in finished games) is it helpful.

[Andrius]

Ok. So lynching Tazaro:
1) He's careless scum.
2) He's dumb and lazy as hell VI_town, and we lose.

Not really liking the whole "we lose" idea. >_> But that's for lynching everyone, ain't it?

[Andrius]

*cough* Exactly like you in Mini 951 *cough*

I thought we weren't going to bring that game up again. >_>
NO BIG THOUGH. STUPIDITY IS A TOWNTELL FOR ME. XD

V/LA Saturday/Sunday.

I'd appreciate it if you guys didn't get hammer-happy until I got back, cuz' I'd like to be here for the NP with all my wonderful conversation buddies. <3

[Andrius]

Mega-massive quote stripes make my head hurt. I'm not even sure if I want to read that. *grumbles*.

What I want to hear from both of you is just this: What you think of each other? Do you think one of you is scum or is this a Town v. Town argument?

IMO, This makes both of you likely Town. I especially remember thinking that Xite was newbTown and, well.. I just don't think newbScum Xite would put that much effort to go against vollkan. vollkan is Town for pressuring Taz out of the game which I think an unlikely move by scum. I still think Andy is Town for reasons stated before plus what we talked about in our QT. And thus...
People left:
Parama
Twomz
Taz
Maybe, NicolBolas if one of these isn't scum.

Then don't read it. I haven't read all of it yet.

Town v. Town? Meh. I'm not too sure about that.

Vas, you just outed our QT, fyi.
Vas/Andy voting bloc? I'm down for Parama/Twomz. Taz... not so much.

HRM. XITE YOU SAID SOMETHING REALLY SMART JUST THERE.
GOING TO HAVE TO REREAD, BUT YOU MIGHT BE ONTO SOMETHING.

[Andrius]

I'm willing to hammer "No Lynch".
I'm ready for another night of QT goodness

with all the scum that have neighborized with me

and Vas.

[Andrius]

vollkan is still scummy, and a 'V'. Though he's not QT'd with me... Parama and Twomz and Tazaro ARE though.

[Andrius]

L-1.
Waiting on Hinduragi's read.

[Andrius]

In a bit of semi-related trivia, vollkan and I are the only players who have played the game the whole way through, and are still alive.

[Andrius]

You done with the reread yet Hinduragi?

[Andrius]

Vote: No Lynch

I don't want to wait until tomorrow because I have tomorrow like, near-free in regards to free time. So I'd like to maximize my time in the QTs with everyone who may or may not be cooler than me. If anyone had serious qualms about a no lynch right about now then they sohuld have spoken up.
I am excite to talk to my peeps in the QTs tonight. 'Specially Vas.

[Andrius]

And someone who has a QT with me, make sure I do the reread based on this post, because I really think Xite91 is onto something.

[Andrius]

We need an EPIC HAMMER post, so how about HAMMERFALL?!?

[Andrius]

Also, I feel like this is going to turn out like the-game-that-cannot-be-talked-about in the sense that the scum will be placed into a position where they are going ro screw themselves over by NKing the weaker town people. They can't kill the strong town players if the strong town players are the scum, so they'll resort to killing lower-level town players.

And since this is probably a 100% VT/Mafia Goon game, the scum cannot pretend a No-Kill was a successful Doctor protection.

I think tonight's NK will tell us everything we need to know.

[Andrius]

Well. I feel like that was really helpful. XD
I think someone's learned something from the game-never-to-be-mentioned-again.

I have QTs with: Xite91, Twomz, Hinduragi, VasudeVa, and Parama.
I was targeted by no one last night.

[Andrius]

I didn't either, because I've targeted everyone I can.

[Andrius]

I am not lynching in MyLo. I don't care how long the scum want to keep NLing.

So what, we all lose if we do nothing?

I'd rather go down doing something, than sitting here doing nothing.

[Andrius]

Andrius, what changed overnight? D3 you were all for going NL.

I'd rather lose

trying

to win than lose by now even trying, you know?

[Andrius]

Vote Count

No Lynch (4) - Hinduragi, Parama, Twomz, vollkan

Not Voting (4) - VasudeVa, NicolBolas, Andrius, Xite91

This is great. Just great.
All my scumreads are voting No Lynch, all my town reads aren't.

[Andrius]

I targeted Parama N1, Xite91 N2. I'm #10, so that's all I can do. :/

[Andrius]

okay so I'm waiting on twomz and nicol...

ZZZzzzzzzzz...

[Andrius]

Actually it's, Andy, Xite, NicolBolas. Screwed that up.

Note to self: Don't post while you're doing something else.

lol <3 Vas

[Andrius]

Hind attacking VV makes me think he's scum trying to force a mislynch, so I think we should stick to the 'force scum to NK' play and tomorrow we should be able to hit a scum (hopefully).

Yet we're not going to do anything about it? Twomz AND Parama pretty much said Hinduragi is scum, but neither vote?
We found the scumteam. vollkan might actually be town.
Hindu/Twomz/Parama.

Thing is, which do we hit first?
Twomz, probably. Highest up on popularity scale = highest amount of exposure via QTs to spread his lies and deceit.

[Andrius]

Hind attacking VV makes me think he's scum trying to force a mislynch, so I think we should stick to the 'force scum to NK' play and tomorrow we should be able to hit a scum (hopefully).

Yet we're not going to do anything about it? Twomz AND Parama pretty much said Hinduragi is scum, but neither vote?
We found the scumteam. vollkan might actually be town.
Hindu/Twomz/Parama.

I am no lynching today.
In fact, I am no lynching until the scum stop being wimps and kill somebody.

Tell that to your scumbuddies.

[Andrius]

The latter, Twomz.

[Andrius]

Ok, don't hammer NL.
Let's wait for the info/Nicol.
What's the rush anyway?

[Andrius]

Nicol seems to have disappeared from my other game as well.

Uh oh.
Please tell me we don't need a replacement... because at 50 pages, this could turn into Prison Mafia Pt. II...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'll vote No Lynch if the scum agree to NK NicolBolas. Just let me know in-thread.

[Andrius]

Happy Birthday Llama!

[Andrius]

Ummm, why tomorrow?

[Andrius]

Also, the less I say about the results, the more likely I am to catch scum based on the info (If I give away said info, a lot more WIFOM than necessary or useful will happen)

Unless you're NK'd.
Then its useless.

[Andrius]

One of which would be Parama/Andy/Twomz
Another could be Twomz/Vas/Hindu

Lynch Twomz?

[Andrius]

This close to winning, I bus my partner?

Anyway, I'm willing to hammer but really what's the rush?

True. They are really close, so.

</3 if Vas is scum.

[Andrius]

This close to winning, I bus my partner?

Anyway, I'm willing to hammer but really what's the rush?

True. They are really close, so.

</3 if Vas is scum.

Hey, andy, are you scum?
Because I do have a general town read on hindu...

Nope. I'm town.

[Andrius]

I've considered placing a vote on Twomz, since I'm 90% sure he's scum, but I'd need all 4 other townies to help, and Nicol's slot is probably one of them, so. :/

[Andrius]

To hell if Nicol dies overnight.
It's not like we can read the slot anyways, inactive as it's been. Really that'll just make it all the more easier to find the scum standing right in front of me (they're the three most recent posts besides mine, btw)

Wait, you're arguing a modkill of the slot?

[Andrius]

Yeah... then we're stuck with a no-body slot and can't lynch scum.

A modkill now would be better than that situation.

[Andrius]

Modkilling the slot will just either net us a scum, or put us in LyLo.

[Andrius]

...you seriously think scum will NK the guy getting replaced? Dude, you're out of your mind. This is exactly why NL shouldn't be hammered.

Uhm, considering that we're all null on him and another player would just bring in another perspective and probably help us find scum? They totally could hammer the guy getting replaced. Why would it be likely for scum to not nk him?
Actually, a modkill of the slot would be good as long as it didn't result in us losing the rest of the day.

It's a 50 page game. Chances are the slot will not be replaced into anytime soon. I want to wait for it.

As for modkilling it, would you rather want info off a NK or have a possible scum/possible town dead? Those are the only 2 viable options at this point. I would rather have info off the NK tbh.

WHAT PART OF "THE SCUM WILL NOT NK NICOLBOLAS IN A MILLION YEARS" SO THEN WE'D ENTER D5 WITH 3 SCUM AND 3 TOWN AND A LURKER SLOT THAT WE CAN'T WIN WITH.

[Andrius]

Hello everybody.

I'm replacing in and looking at the alive players list, I'm familiar with Xite91 and Twomz. I also played a bit with VasudeVa and vollkan before. I'll have to take some time to catch up, and any quick summary would be helpful.

Summary: We're in MyLo.
We have all claimed Popularity Ranking.
I'll pull the list for you.
We all have a number of QTs in the NP, and they're all Neighborhoods.

[Andrius]

Popularity List:

1. Max - Townie, Killed N2

3. VasudeVa
4. NicolBolas
5. vollkan

7. vezok - Townie, Lynched D2

8. Twomz
9. Hinduragi
10. Andrius
11. Parama
12. Xite

Reposting for Charlie.

[Andrius]

I am against being lazy and Voting No Lynch.
We should talk this out so everyone can hear his thoughts, not a few people who might bend the truth.

Speaking of which, I just remembered something Vas told me in our QT...

[Andrius]

We wait for Charlie to post content, and respond to stuff.
Then we go from there.

I'll tell you tonight.

[Andrius]

Us hitting deadline = No Lynch. Not a big difference.

In case I'm wrong. XD

[Andrius]

Parama, stop trying to stifle conversation.
WE ARE NOT DONE WITH D4 YET, AND WE ARE WAITING FOR CHARLIE TO CATCH UP.
THAT.
IS.
FINAL.

[Andrius]

I support the Deadline extension

Also,

Vote: Twomz

I'm confident in my read here.

[Andrius]

If Andrius is mafia then Twomz is town
If Andrius is town then Twomz is mafia

This is true pretty much regardless of game. I don't think we've ever been on the same side. No lynch is still the way to go today, and I still hold Hind as my top suspect (but Andrius has moved into my top 3 after his vote on me when we should be no lynching.

Actually, we both

started

Comedy of Whims on the same side.

[Andrius]

Hrm... Charlie is prob. town. Parama sounds like flailing scum in his recent post.
I am, as I've been saying forever (in QTs and here) down for a Parama lynch and/or Twomz.

I'll hop wagons if necessary.

[Andrius]

Scum are: Parama/Twomz, either vollkan or Hinduragi. Leaning Hinduragi over vollkan ATM, but its tough.

[Andrius]

That's 2 votes on Parama.

[Andrius]

Vote Count

Parama (3) - Charlie, Xite91, Twomz
No Lynch (3) - Parama, vollkan, VasudeVa
Twomz (1) - Andrius

Not Voting (1) - Hinduragi

Deadline is in 27 hours. Rules for deadline lynch (or no lynch) are in the rules.

Anyone notice how Parama wasn't quick-hammered? With 3 scum, its not that hard. They're playing to win, same as we are. If Parama was town, they totally had the chance to hammer.

Look, this has been going on for a long time.
Let's get realistic.

Unvote

Why wait another day? For the scum to kill someone, and delay the Parama lynch a day? No. We're not doing that. If we're going to lynch Parama, why wait? For another townie to die so that no one is any more convinced?
We're all sitting by dragging our feet through the sand.

I'm willing to vote Parama, now or later.

[Andrius]

Vote Count

Parama (3) - Charlie, Xite91, Twomz
No Lynch (3) - Parama, vollkan, VasudeVa
Twomz (1) - Andrius

Not Voting (1) - Hinduragi

Deadline is in 27 hours. Rules for deadline lynch (or no lynch) are in the rules.

Charlie's slot is still town. Twomz is the official scum-bussing-his-buddy in case the No Lynch falls through.
Parama is the scum pushing the No Lynch. Its also important to note that Parama is the alt. wagon to the No Lynch.
#3 is the hidden one. But we can do this. They'll need to start killing again if we lynch scum.

We'll force their hand to err, and we'll win this.

[Andrius]

Vote: Parama

We're not going to get anything new out of today.
Sitting here considering if I'll look scummy for putting Parama within quick-lynch range doesn't help the town.
Besides, we're all lurking, not doing much besides the Charlie and Parama.

I'm confident in my read. Tomorrow we lynch Twomz. We got this.

[Andrius]

Let's get an official listing of people's prefered lynches:
1) Twomz
2) Parama

[Andrius]

Parama, you called Twomz obvtown.
And then retracted that for Twomz is more town than you.

So both of you need a noose.

[Andrius]

1) Twomz
2) Parama
3) Vollkan

VV, what about Andrius' personality in this game makes you think he's town?

Also, who received/sent new neighbors? Twomz neighbored with me last night.

No new neighbors here.