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Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:25 pm

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No Lynch (4) - Hinduragi, VasudeVa, vollkan, NicolBolas
Hinduragi (2) - Parama, Twomz
vollkan (1) - Xite91

Not Voting (1) - Andrius

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Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:38 pm

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vollkan wrote:
VV wrote: What I want to hear from both of you is just this: What you think of each other? Do you think one of you is scum or is this a Town v. Town argument?
My read of Xite (and this is a read from the process of responding, not clinically going back over) from that argument is tunnelling newb, possibly slightly town but mostly null. He's being inconsistent in the way he treats me versus others (if you didn't read the debate, basically there a number of points where he attacks me by assuming the worst possible motivations for my actions but also attacks me for not being generous enough in my interpretations of other people's actions), but, importantly, he didn't resort to misrepresentation or strawmanning and he did seem genuinely confused about the whole "definition of a scumtell" (and his confusion on that point is a factor in me not taking his inconsistency.
First, not a newb
Second, Not tunneling (reread, you will see. I'm just -ohmaigodz- pushing a case against scum)
Third, Like I said, I was not assuming the worst possible things, nor skewing anything, but that, sir, was what you were doing. And if you do it to others, then (if I was) what right do you have to ask people not to do it to you?
Fourth, No confusion, just not liking how you reserve the right to decide what's a scumtell and what isn't
Did I miss anything?

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Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:42 am

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I'm going to re-read and see what the hell is going on. Try to wait. I'll be able to have re-read the entire thread by Saturday or Sunday.(I get Monday off, though, so, if I am running late, I'll definitely make it by then) Until then, try to hold off on whatever is going on atm.
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Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:58 am

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@Xite:
1) You're an alt?
2) I wasn't accusing you "tunnelling" in the conventional (and stupid) sense of "continuously attacking somebody". My point was that you are simultaneously reading scum motivations into my actions (ie. not giving me any benefit of the doubt) while attacking me for not being generous in supposing town motivations for other people's actions.
3) There's a big difference between choosing to attack somebody because a possible town motivation is unlikely (ie almost every single action has some possible town motivation) and attacking somebody whilst ignoring much more reasonably likely town motivations
4) Then how would you define a scumtell?
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I'm going to re-read and see what the hell is going on. Try to wait. I'll be able to have re-read the entire thread by Saturday or Sunday.(I get Monday off, though, so, if I am running late, I'll definitely make it by then) Until then, try to hold off on whatever is going on atm.
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Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:10 am

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@Vollkan
1) No, just been playing for a long time, but IRL mostly. I did play a few online games though, back in high school.
2) Then that's not tunneling, which was a word I saw specifically IIRC (which was why I responded to it). Also, I gave you the benefit of the doubt when this game began, by saying, "oh, it's probably just his playstyle" but as the game progressed, I can be almost positive that you deserve no benefit of the doubt.
3) So.... it's different for you than it is for everybody else?
4) Something scum are more likely to do than town.
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Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:37 am

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Alright, not done with my re-read but I want to know what's going on so I can pretty much make sure I know some things when I'm done.

1. Do we have any idea of the numbers on the scum team?
2. Are we at MyLo?
3. Why are we voting NL?
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Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:45 am

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2) Then that's not tunneling, which was a word I saw specifically IIRC (which was why I responded to it). Also, I gave you the benefit of the doubt when this game began, by saying, "oh, it's probably just his playstyle" but as the game progressed, I can be almost positive that you deserve no benefit of the doubt.
I said "any" benefit of the doubt. That's important. I am not attacking you for not subjecting me to strict scrutiny. My point has been consistently that you are attacking me because my actions could conceivably have a scum motivation, without proving that it is
likely
that they do (ie. that the scum explanatoin is better than any town one).
3) So.... it's different for you than it is for everybody else?
No. Where I have attacked people, it has been for actions that I consider unreasonable (ie. that a townie acting reasonably would be unlikely to do them). I have not attacked people because there is the possiblity that their actions are scum-motivated.
Hinduragi wrote: 1. Do we have any idea of the numbers on the scum team?
It's a mini, so (conservatively assuming worst-case-scenario) it will be 3.
2. Are we at MyLo?
If you assume 3 scum, then yes.
3. Why are we voting NL?
With 3 scum, the setup at the moment is most likely 5:3 (ie. 5 townies, 3 scum).

If we mislynch, it becomes 4:3. Plus scum's NK, it becomes 3:3, which is a loss.

If we No Lynch, it stays 5:3 and then scum's NK makes it 4:3, the difference being that we then have more info coming from the person's death (and possibly power roles)
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Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:09 am

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What vollkan said.
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Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:35 am

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I'm willing to hammer "No Lynch".
I'm ready for another night of QT goodness
with all the scum that have neighborized with me
and Vas.
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Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:18 am

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@Andrius - I'd have to check, but weren't you the one that put "one of the V's" as your third choice for a lynch? What changed?
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Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:27 am

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vollkan is still scummy, and a 'V'. Though he's not QT'd with me... Parama and Twomz and Tazaro ARE though.
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Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:50 pm

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Andrius wrote:vollkan is still scummy, and a 'V'. Though he's not QT'd with me... Parama and Twomz and Tazaro ARE though.
Why am I still scummy?
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Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:29 pm

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Andrius wrote:vollkan is still scummy, and a 'V'. Though he's not QT'd with me... Parama and Twomz and Tazaro ARE though.
Yes, but it was "one of the V's" What changed your mind about Vas?
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Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:08 am

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unvote, vote: no lynch
remember town, ALL of us that survive tomorrow need to vote for a scum to get them lynched, but only one townie is needed to mislynch, be cautious with your vote but you will need to use it.
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Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2010 3:57 am

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No lynch is now at NL-1 again. Please nobody hammer until Hinduragi has said his piece.
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Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:12 am

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No lynch has 3 votes right now, I think, so it should be at L-2? Anyways, yeah, don't hammer while I'm reading. >_>
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Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:45 am

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Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:55 am

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L-1.
Waiting on Hinduragi's read.
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Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:56 am

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In a bit of semi-related trivia, vollkan and I are the only players who have played the game the whole way through, and are still alive.
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Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:57 am

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Yeah, scum tend to be more interested in their slots.
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Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:59 am

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P.S. if you didn't get the memo I have no interest in this game until we lynch one of the 3 obvscum players.

I don't care about Hinduragi's reads because Hinduragi is scum regardless.

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Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:29 pm

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Parama wrote: Yeah, scum tend to be more interested in their slots.
I've never been replaced in a game in all my time on site. (But you don't believe in meta do you? So I guess you couldn't possibly consider that fact relevant :roll:).

Also, what's your evidence for saying scum tend to be more interested in their slots?
I don't care about Hinduragi's reads because Hinduragi is scum regardless.
If you're genuinely convinced he is scum, that's all the more reason to want his reads - to work out his partners
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Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:30 pm

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vollkan wrote: If you're genuinely convinced he is scum, that's all the more reason to want his reads - to work out his partners
I already did that.
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Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:11 pm

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You worked out my reads based on 3 posts?

Also, vollkan, how the hell are you still alive? All throughout D1, people have called you a pro-town read. Btw, still not done reading but Im over halfway and should be done by late Sunday.
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Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:56 am

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