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Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:00 am

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Charlie wrote:Hello everybody.

I'm replacing in and looking at the alive players list, I'm familiar with Xite91 and Twomz. I also played a bit with VasudeVa and vollkan before. I'll have to take some time to catch up, and any quick summary would be helpful.
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We have all claimed Popularity Ranking.
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Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:02 am

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Andrius wrote: Popularity List:
1. Max - Townie, Killed N2

3. VasudeVa
4. NicolBolas
5. vollkan
7. vezok - Townie, Lynched D2

8. Twomz
9. Hinduragi
10. Andrius
11. Parama
12. Xite
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Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:38 am

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Hi charlie!
Your best bet is to vote no-lynch and read up a bit, I'm sure your qt's will fill you in on what you missed
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Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:31 am

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I am against being lazy and Voting No Lynch.
We should talk this out so everyone can hear his thoughts, not a few people who might bend the truth.

Speaking of which, I just remembered something Vas told me in our QT...
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Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:38 am

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First part, well we're going to have to do something, and honestly, I feel No-lynch is a good choice for today.

Also, what would that be?
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Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:41 am

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We wait for Charlie to post content, and respond to stuff.
Then we go from there.

I'll tell you tonight. :D
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Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:59 am

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Andrius wrote:We wait for Charlie to post content, and respond to stuff.
Then we go from there.

I'll tell you tonight. :D
But what if he takes longer than deadline to catch up? Then we just let this game go stale and made people less inclined to try their best. I'd prefer Charlie read today, post his ideas on that, then read the thread during the night phase, but that's just me.

Also, why can't you just say it?
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Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:10 am

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Us hitting deadline = No Lynch. Not a big difference.

In case I'm wrong. XD
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Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:14 am

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Andrius wrote:Us hitting deadline = No Lynch. Not a big difference.

In case I'm wrong. XD
Well it does, but my point was more that letting it go that long makes the game get REALLY boring and stale and makes people want to play it less.
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Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:35 pm

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If Charlie requests an extension I will move the deadline to Sunday September 26th, 5PM PST. If not deadline remains Thursday 10PM PST
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Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:52 pm

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noooo let's just hammer NL
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Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:57 pm

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I can catch up. According to my calculations we have 52 hours to deadline as of time of this post. However a proper read from me will have to come tonight (my tonight), in about 12 hours time.

Preview edit: Parama, you're going to do that?
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Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:08 pm

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I can't. Vote's already on NL.
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Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:16 pm

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Okay, I've read from page 50 till present plus any QTs I have... And I'm confused. Starting from the page 1 would be my next step, I'll make the effort tonight since I've noticed that the game is kind of 'stalled'.
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Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:24 pm

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Charlie wrote:Okay, I've read from page 50 till present plus any QTs I have... And I'm confused. Starting from the page 1 would be my next step, I'll make the effort tonight since I've noticed that the game is kind of 'stalled'.
So does this mean you'll hammer?
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Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:15 pm

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Parama, stop trying to stifle conversation.
WE ARE NOT DONE WITH D4 YET, AND WE ARE WAITING FOR CHARLIE TO CATCH UP.
THAT.
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Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:12 pm

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Andrius wrote:Parama, stop trying to stifle conversation.
WE ARE NOT DONE WITH D4 YET, AND WE ARE WAITING FOR CHARLIE TO CATCH UP.
THAT.
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Unless someone hammers for it. You really need to realize you're not the only player in the game.
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Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:55 pm

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Let Charlie catch up
Charlie wrote: I'm replacing in and looking at the alive players list, I'm familiar with Xite91 and Twomz. I also played a bit with VasudeVa and vollkan before. I'll have to take some time to catch up, and any quick summary would be helpful.
I don't think have played together before. In /invitatiional 8 (ongoing, but I am dead) I replaced in after you had died...
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Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:40 am

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We have a deadline soon anyways, so w/e.
But seriously...
Mafia NK in 8p and we wait a whole 3 weeks to get another night phase? It should've taken 3 HOURS.
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Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:40 am

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No Xite, I meant I'll read.
vollkan wrote:I don't think have played together before. In /invitatiional 8 (ongoing, but I am dead) I replaced in after you had died...
Right, my bad.

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Reading time! I'll try to get all 50+ pages done in one seating, just because! I'll begin in a separate post.
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Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:09 am

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my reference list wrote:Xite91
ShiftyWhip CSL Xite91

VasudeVa
Scott Brosius

Hinduragi
Tazaro ConfidAnon TheLonging

Charlie
NicolBolas iiiiiiq bv310 NicolBolas

Andrius
vollkan
Twomz
RayFrost Friend

Parama
Tasky


Sando - The Mascot - Vanilla Student - Expelled Period One
PranaDevil - The Quarterback - Vanilla Student - Expelled Passing Period One
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- The Band Member - Vanilla Student - Expelled Period Two
Max - The Head Cheerleader - Vanilla Student - Expelled Passing Period Two
Up to page 3: Vollkan's analysis (coupled with PranaDevil's) show good reasoning when discussing about popularity levels. Parama slot (Tasky) made a seriously mind boggling vote in #52. Following this is Twomz's slot (Friend) counter vote, which I feel is justified at #55. Parama slot self votes (This is horrible IMHO). Towards the end of page 3 there is low-quality discussion. More noise than actual content.

Page 4: Cue entry of Hinduragi's slot (TheLonging). He throws some questions, that's fine. As for the rest of the page, I don't know whether I should laugh or cry -- the exchange is quite silly.

Page 5: Reading Parama's slot #100 as disingenuous. Some ideas, bad implementation (aka likely coming from mafia). Vollkan argues his points better (than Parama's slot, Xite91). Goodposting from Xite #109. Enter Max, with ideas.

Page 6: Not really understanding Xite's #126 when she says Twomz's slot is scummy. Weak argument; unconvincing. In the exchange between Xite and Twomz's slot, Twomz's slot comes out better. LOL @ #138! I echo #139 at this point. Enter Sando. At the end of the page, I can't find Parama's slot to be convincing anymore: the previous statements he made have conferred some degree of bias to my analysis. I usually start ignoring these players to some degree; and I'm going to do that now. Maybe even a vote at this point (Vote: Parama)

Page 7: #150 is a succinct "backing-off" post by Parama's slot. For this, I would keep this point in the back of my head as townie behavior. Not too bad as it dilutes the previous badposting. Xite's #156 is rife with emotion; making analysis difficult and (usually) inaccurate. I would agree with most others at this point that vollkan is pro-town. Parama's slot posts at the bottom of the page remains unimpressive.

From what I read, Parama's slot isn't the best casemaker, but he can certainly "work with" others quite okay when asked directly (answering questions, explaining line of thinking). Initially looks mafia, later look town and posts strange things (#174). Such a roller coaster type of personality.

Page 8: Forced a defense from Parama's slot at L-1. Can't say I really like the defense, but it has some quirks in it and the follow up early page 9. Enter VasudeVa.

Page 9: VasudeVa's points system is interesting, but rather generic. The rest of his opinions are okay. Echo #207, but I'm going to say Xite's been way too emotional in her posting. This is distracting. Twomz's slot shifted his vote again: seems too often for my liking; mildly suspicious behavior IMHO. Twomz's slot fullclaimed at #220 and (surprisingly) there is little to no evidence of typical "flailing" behavior. Logic says he's mafia; gut says he's overly expressive townie.

Max's #221 is a big one, but provides some insight on players. I agree on a lot of points; especially when he points out the lurkier players.

Page 10: At this point, Parama's slot is at L-1.

Skipping ahead, I'd like to say a slew of replacements and distractions made this wagon collapse like a pile of matchsticks. Nothing impressive happens; stalling and lousy posts interfere as time goes by. Regardless, I'll get to reading them anyway.

Twomz's slot #225 reads as townish for line of questioning. He also explains his vote with good reasons. Parama's slot defense (again) at #228 has unimpressive holes in it but at the same time I can't shake the feeling that this is not "flailing" behavior. A tough decision; but if it were a deadline and a lynch between Parama's slot and no lynch, lynch is the way to go. Xite's posting is also emotional here.

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Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:58 am

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Hey Charlie!
tasky was really dumb but he wasn't scum
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Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:00 am

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Page 11: Sando's using sarcasm as a response, which typically isn't pro-town. Vollkan becomes the voice of reason here. Exchange between these two players is heated; looking at possible mafia-town interaction here. At this point I'm inclined to ignore Xite's posts due to unchanging behavior.

Page 12: PranaDevil's #227 is spot on, and more on how I feel about Parama's slot at this time. It's so extreme. A lynch of this slot at that time would yield the most useful information for the next Day. Major replacement and "noisy" posts follows.

Page 13. Oh gosh. Vollkan's #303 touched a spot right here. Yes, he is convincing and yes, I believe him. Its just that sometimes I don't want to know about human nature too much (I want to play Mafia here, is all) Read: he's good at Mafia. Rest of the page is fluff.

Page 14: Tempted to shrug off the page as fluff, but I'm going to check between the lines.

Twomz's slot (Rayfrost) provided much needed new content, which I consider to be a pro-town move. However, I'm not entirely convinced, thus more discussion needed...
Sando provided more reasons to follow.
And more noise generated from later proven town slots.
VasudeVa's #341 is striking. Seems like a fair interpretation, but what makes it suspicious is the way it was worded. Proving a point with emotional words is scummy.

Page 15: Vollkan "wins" the page. Everyone else "loses".

Page 16: The key events here are Twomz's slot successfully shifting attention to Andrius, who I've not put up much suspicion with until now. Looking closer, I'm quite certain a town flip of one essentially confirms the other as mafia and vice versa. At this point, a lynch of either would provide good information but deciding on which is difficult. In short, I'm more convinced of Twomz's slot's case and by conjecture, his innocence (thus Andrius-mafia at this point, taking off from Page 14).

Page 17: Enter Parama. Fluff, some of it camelid in nature.

Page 18: Echo #440. Nothing here as well.

Page 19: Parama's #473 isn't the best catch-up post, but it will do. Some effort made here, but I'm still convinced that his slot is mafia. The arguments/reasoning provided aren't strong enough for me to confidently say he's behaving in a protown manner. Thus, he's mafia. Twomz's slot says "his logic is very loose" and this I agree with.

Page 20: More of a joke than goodposting...

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Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:02 am

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"some effort" You can't judge the effort players put into their posts FYI.
Also, if you're going to say my logic fails. WHERE?

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Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:11 am

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Excuse me, who are you to say I cannot judge another player's effort? It can be judged as lazy/pro-town/anti-town and such.
I'd refer to the highlighted posts, and to read what I said in context.

And yeah, if I can finish up by tomorrow (my tomorrow) then I'd actually be okay for a no extension. It is a necessary security countermeasure to ensure I don't suddenly run out of time and we hit deadline.

I'll drop this here in case it isn't clear:
Top 3 suspects: Parama, Andrius, VasudeVa
If Andrius is mafia then Twomz is town
If Andrius is town then Twomz is mafia
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