Harry Potter Mafia - Over!

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote: farside22

for being the first one to vote someone else. OMG U SUX

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote: farside22

for being the first one to vote someone else. OMG U SUX

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote: MPR

for RVS voting me in another game.

lmao

[ReaperCharlie]

Vote: farside22

for being the first one to vote someone else. OMG U SUX

You are still bitter at being killed in (on going game reference) and flipping scum after killing me aren't you?

Aye, that I am, lassie!

Ah, mafia and harry potter. This just makes me sigh in contentment as two of my favorite things are combined. I must now find all 7 books and reread them, just for fun.

Vote: jmj3000

for mind-reading.

QFT. I totally wanna go back and re-read them! Can't wait for the first half of Hallows this winter! Who's flying out to my house to watch it with me?


We should make a rule that you have to dim the lights and play HP music in the background when you read this topic, and read everything out loud in the accent of your character.

[ReaperCharlie]

MMM already with five votes, and we're only just past Page 1... hmmmmm, looks like

somebody

must have pissed off the fanboiz ^_^

[ReaperCharlie]

Well, the LAST time a Harry Potter game was run (2004), it was pretty much a bastard game. Look who won and what their roles and alignments were, lol.

OP: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=457
GEP: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4353#74353

[ReaperCharlie]

I sincerely hope this level of activity can be sustained throughout the entire game, I love games where people are actually active!

Expelliarmus: MMM

for posting that ridiculous article.

[ReaperCharlie]

God this site is lagging terribly

today

every day.

Fixed.

[ReaperCharlie]

God this site is lagging terribly

today

every day.

Fixed.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh, the irony.

[ReaperCharlie]

Happy birthday, rajwfelkflkj!

[ReaperCharlie]

raj - name of some sort
rhcp - red hot chili peppers
freak - he's a freak <3

The more you know!

Aw, you ruined it. Now I actually know what it stands for and can't just keymash in ignorant bliss every time I try to say his name.

A hex upon you.

[ReaperCharlie]

Alright, enough RVS, down to business...

Let's see what we've got so far... Page 1: RVS, nothing really much to be learned here; page 2, MMM quick-wagon, some votes from people thinking he thinks it's a bastard game, some omgus votes for HP-hating... nothing really solid or sticky presented against anyone here, so, moving along... page 3 is a bunch of fluff about humor meters, more links from MMM, facepalm pictures, talking about other games, and img tag fail. Oh wait, what's this? A few posts more about bastard moddery by IH and farside (65 and 66), a few more fluff posts, and then a soft accusation in 74 by sudo_nym, against the sillymongers. I tend to agree with sudo about innately suspecting chronic fluffers, but this early it's pretty much a null tell, as some players are still barely out of RVS at this point, and others are refusing to let it go without a few last jabs.

But page 4 starts off with a bang as farside attacks sudo_nym's last post on page 3, and the game begins.

Up until this point, I had been impressed with the activity level of the players, but not so much with the amount of actual content. Now we're getting somewhere though! ^_^ - anyway, farside's 79 has some good scum-hunting tips and some personal opinions on who's scummy, and I totally agree with NS's 81 where it says "I was happy with the activity level in the beginning. Let's not fall asleep here, people.", but not so much where it says he thinks IH is being opportunistic.

Something tells me NS is probably just more sensitive here cause IH's 'opportunistic' vote was on him. He's probably overthinking again (like in post 37); because he'd likely not have even noticed IH's vote was for anyone besides him. But there may be some validity yet to NS's observation. Time'll tell, they say.

@ fuzzy 82: Isn't the point of a bastard game to be a bastard? I would definitely classify 'not telling people it's a bastard game' as a pretty bastardly move. lol I'm just being contentious. I don't think its a bastard game either.

Care to clue us in, mod, so we can cease this folly?

@ farside vs sudo: sudo's 83 seems a bit too over-defensive and over-critical imo, but there are some valid points in it.

@ fakegod 86: fluff moar plz

@ Seraphim 94: "Oho, Sudo and farside fight. Based on my meta of farside, Sudo is the hypothetical loser but I'll see how it plays out first." -- LOL!

@ Kmd4390: welcome.

@ most of page 5: Dumbledore's beard! people already going V/LA on us? and TWO REPLACEMENTS?! um. LAME.

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@ sudo: what is your opinion of fakegod?

@ fakegod: what is your opinion of sudo?

[ReaperCharlie]

@Reaper: I think Sens reputation as a good mod would decrease greatly if he had a bastard game that was not publicized before hand. And its Memorial Day weekend in the States, so I understand some people going V/LA until the end of the weekend.

I think if you read Sens' wiki, you might get a different idea of his reputation. lol was I the only one that read that?


And yes, Memorial Day rocks. Thanks to all our veterans.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, here we go.

I don't like jmj's first post. Day 1 has started and all he talks about is the theme. Adds nothing to the game. Not even a random vote or confirm or anything. Kind of like Reap's "lmao" post a little later. Then Reap goes on about useless stuff in his next post. If his next few posts don't have real substance, I'll probably vote him in this post with jmj as a close second suspect.

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Nobody Special, you say MMM has knowledge nobody else does in the post where you vote him. What knowledge is that? You random voted IH earlier. Was your MMM vote a serious vote?

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mb, being a newer player (judging by join date), I can see his vote as a scum wagon hop.

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MMM trolling is kind of funny with the "JK Rowling can't write" comment.

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Oh, I see what Nobody Special was looking at. I don't agree with it, but I can see where he is coming from. Not scummy on his part at all.

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Post 59 by MPR is useless fluff. Seems to be a common theme in this game.

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jmj promises us content near the bottom of Page 3 and checking his ISO, he never delivers. In fact, his only post after that announces V/LA.

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kmd: you better post something of value this game.

Awfully demanding there.

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MMM, what did you learn from your "Gambit"?

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Reap's long post looks like a lame attempt at "content".

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I wanted a reaction, I got it. I'm happy.

Also,

unvote

Also also,

Am I still honestly coming off as scummy? Damn, I so need to work on that.

-What reaction did you get?
-Why are you happy with the reaction?
-Why unvote?
-Why so worried about looking scummy?

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Confirmed town

Panzer

Townish

Sudo
MMM
Farside
Esp
Sera

*Shrug*

UK
rajklgmjk'ladfg,a;d
Nobody
Fake
IH
fuzzy

Scummy

jmj
Reap
mb
MPR

Vote ReaperCharlie

I'm scummy just because I posted a (bad) joke?

Lol, why are

you

complaining? he VOTED me, and did you see the reason? for starting to scumhunt instead of drawing out the RVS...

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Kmd... you say "if reaper's next few posts dont have real substance, i'll probably vote him" but then after reading more you say "reap's long post looks like a lame attempt at content". Why is that? I could say the same of you!

I noticed something else too. Even though rajrhcpfreak's name had already been broken down and discussed, you still listed him as rajal;sdkyjasdltka like I was earlier... why is that?

In conclusion: OMG! You suck!

Vote: kmd

[ReaperCharlie]

I will be V/LA as noted in my sig.

[ReaperCharlie]

ok first off, my vote on kmd is a joke omgus,

obviously

, so

unvote

. I agree with a lot of what he says in his post, just not the part about me, obviously. I'll get into that a bit later today if I have time, or when I come back from V/LA.

second -- mmm, what are you talking about? you're one to talk: you've posted even less content than I have, and you said 2 days ago that you'd analyze the bandwagon, which still hasn't come, even though you've apparently had time enough to post 5 times since.

g2g - @ work.

[ReaperCharlie]

Mmmmm good weekend. Thanks again for all you do, vets! God bless.

I actually got back the 30th, but had yesterday off too so I wasn't around too much. I checked MS a few times by phone but didn't have enough time/patience to respond to this thread, mostly I only checked another couple. Yes ooba, I was interested to see what you was gonna say, but I guess you were waiting on me. lol

I don't really have much to say regarding MMM's post except that I'm not scum and you are ridiculous for thinking I am. Everyone RVS'd pretty hard this game and then when I OMGUS'd kmd (for nonetheless valid points) suddenly scum start a wagon on me. Humorous at best, but I see it's garnered a few more votes, so I'll let you read my post 121 again and see if you can glean any knowledge from it that you apparently haven't already.

Things that stick out to me after a re-read (hopefully nothing I've posted already):

-UK seems to be a little over-eager in her voting of the mod and then expecting it to be counted. mod-buddying never strikes a good chord with me. Though it is the RVS, after all.

-I would like to know what knowledge NS thought MMM had that nobody else had (post 22). Care to elucidate?

-FakeGod seems to be skating along without much attachment to the game. This is a good sign of scum not really thinking they need to scumhunt, especially for a newer player, because a more experienced player would already know that not scumhunting would equal a quick drop and a sudden stop.

-Sudo's 45 seems to be an attempt to buddy with NS. Whether it's town buddying to (?) or scum buddying to town, I don't know.

-rajfreak (48) votes for MMM but waits for farside's approval to do it. This doesn't sit well with me. Looks like scum looking for town approval to do something before they do it.

-MMM's entire 'gambit' with the links/articles/HP hating makes me think he's town, because why would scum bring that attention to themselves?
Short answer: They wouldn't.
Long answer: They wouldn't (insert WIFOM here).

-jmj doesn't appear to be posting much of anything at all other than "Hey I'm unavailable, I'll catch up soon!" ... not that I'm one to talk on this... but...

-I agree with farside's 75 on Sudo. Complete hypocrisy. And before anyone makes any backusations against me, yes, I admit, my posting hasn't been awesome yet; but hey I was busy and life > mafia for the most part. :pirate face: Once I slide into the game, you'll learn to believe in the wonder that is RC.

I have found scum to ignore jumping on a bw most times out of fear or ignore things that look easy. There is the scum that jump on the bw but those are harder to read.

QFT. but even with the wifom in this, it still makes a lot of sense. i have begun very strongly to believe that farside is town.

-still not impressed with FakeGod's posting.

More soon.

[ReaperCharlie]

-not quite pleased with a lot of people thinking that RVS is a cut-and-dried block of time with a definite length. Lighten up some, this game is supposed to be fun. I'm personally not a fan of stretching out the RVS but in a game like HP, especially with MMM making comments like that, it's gonna happen and there's nothing anyone can do about it. that being said, there's usually a couple of Hitlers in every game who want it to end at a specified time after they post their post saying they want it to end. this also doesn't usually happen. it's a gradual fade. those who try to end it too early or prolong it after what is natural stick out to me. especially those who complain about lack of content but provide none of their own.

-which is why I didn't complain about a lack of content in my only notable post thus far, i was just trying to get MYSELF out of RVS and begin to scumhunt a bit before my weekend vaca... looks like that backfired on me once I did the omgus (literally) vote. but then, people will always misread.

-A note on me: I usually tend to prolong RVS because I forum whore at the beginning and then as the game progresses I ramp off in activity unless it's a hot game.

-still not liking Sudo, 134 doesn't help. what info that you have?

-kmd 136: i agree about jmj, but obviously not about myself. i freely admit to fluff in the RVS and will stand by my fluff with a three foot saber, ready to defend it to the last. other people's fluff is absolutely unacceptable however.

absolutely

unacceptable.
also, this post has good points about MMM, NS, and mb, but overall I'd say this post bears a striking similarity to my own 121, which kmd disparages in his post. yes, my post WAS an attempt at content. whether it was 'lame' or not is a matter of opinion.

-NS 138: your reply to kmd is not acceptable. i still want an explanation as I think i said earlier in this post.
also funny/strange is that your last paragraph also applies to me and my playstyle.

farside 144: who are those reads, if you don't mind sharing? and who do you think is scum?

Reap, that is a massive

erection

misrep of what I said. I said that you weren't adding anything to the game at first, then once you attempted to appear to be posting content, it was pretty much lame one-liners, non-opinions, or stating the obvious. Not really content. Just trying to look good.

thanks, but its just a pattern on the pants. i'm gonna go take them back... to the ... pants... store...

And seriously? I lay a vote on you and you laugh it off and OMGUS me? Seriously?

yes. seriously. oh, omfg I know! RVS IS OVER! suck it, lol.
you're still making jokes too, so.


still more to come.

[ReaperCharlie]

ok, more:

raj 152: you are that sure of farside being town? care to place a bet? (for the record, I agree with your opinion, but you seem willing to follow her to hell and back. I'm obviously not). it tweaks me when people straight-up call others town, and this is only on page 7, no less. barely out of rvs yet?

also, you are still happy with your MMM vote at this time? why? isn't it clear that his distaste of the HP series is a gambit of some kind?

- 153 (IH) strikes all the right notes with me.

We are out of RVS, why are you joke voting, and especially an OMGUS vote. That just screams scum because you are making no attempt at moving the game along.

how dare I joke vote? how DARE I? lol yes, I am literally screaming to you that I am scum with a joke omgus. literally. [/sarc][/quote]

Will comment on everyone else at a later point in time.

Still waiting for this...

@ 161: people like you, duh. i hate it when people take obvjokes seriously. ugh

@180: good find, but i think it's more of tunnel vision than anything else, that made you notice this. which isn't necessarily a bad thing, so.

yes, sudo, I;m still kinda waiting for a reply to my question. this goes for fakegod as well.

@ 181: why are you comparing myself and you, then calling me obvscum, and then NOT voting for me? huh???

first of all, we aren't playing similarly at all. you were trying to rip people a new one for prolonging RVS while I was happily enjoying a prolonged RVS, thanks in part to yours truly.

secondly, please point to what makes me obvscum (without parroting kmd's "he hasn't posted content yet!" argument, like everyone else seems to be doing). can you?

thirdly, even though you're that wrong about me, you seem to be convinced that I'm scum. but you go ahead and don't vote for me... this doesn't sit well with me.

boop... boop.... booopppp.... *points scumdar at sudo* Beepbeepbeepbeepbeep!!!!



@ 183: still waiting on this, as well.

@ ooba 187 - nah. I think MMM is town, thats all. I think you're confusing scum-me with town-me. really, there's not a lot of difference that i can tell. though i haven't really tried to meta myself.

your comment about seraphim's 131: huh? this is one of the reasons I think he's

scum!

that said; I like your post and it gives me a good feeling about you.

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Also:

Generally when voting someone, I tend to make my own case, rather than using someone else's. Right now I am hunting for people that latch onto others' posts and just use that other case to support their own (or rather, their lack thereof). Notable examples of this behavior include:

-Seraphim 131 (agrees with farside about sudo)
(and I see that MMM catches it just the next post, actually)
-MMM's 148 (mentioned nothing about my post 121 until kmd jumped on it, even though he'd posted )

Also also:

Iso's, yummy! (i.e. IIoA, but useful IIoA)

-Espeonage, 9 posts. Roughly 23% content (i.e. pretty @#^ low). I don't get a strong town vibe.
-FakeGod, 7 posts, very little content whatsoever. your return from v/la was... underwhelming at best.
-farside22, 30 posts, clearly trying the hardest out of anyone here to scumhunt and make sense.
-fuzzylightning, 8 posts, very little real content as well. first serious post was terrible as well.
-IH, a whopping 3 posts, seemed to skip the RVS entirely. i have a good-ish feeling, regardless of post count.
-jmj3000, 5 posts, absolutely nothing but fluff. a promise to follow up within 24-36 hrs is about to expire...
-kmd4390, 4 posts, appears to be trying at content and scumhunting. replaced in for a flake-out, so yep this is ok.
-MacavityLock, 2 posts, just replaced in, posts scumlist that ignores sudo and MMM but votes me to follow the crowd. ... ok?
-mb53, only 4 posts, very slim on content anyway. MacavityLock has a lot to improve on, here, but i'm not impressed.
-MehPlusRawr, 5 posts, absolutely NO content. ISO this guy, seriously. wtf?
-Mysterious Mystery Man, 13 posts. ran a gambit, but didn't give any results. now he's banned; unlikely we'll get them, if there were any.
-Nobody Special, 14 posts, 40% content. never did share with the class what he gained from his own reactionary 'gambits'...
-ooba, 3 posts, strong showing so far, much like kmd.
-Panzer - replaced out after a single 'yo dawg' post.
-rajrhcpfreak (hey, i spelled it right!) - 4 posts, not very much content; possibly some indirect promise to do better later?
-ReaperCharlie, 18 posts, 70% rvs fluff. yummy, but not very filling. much like cotton candy. painted a target on his back with kmd omgus.
-SensFan, 16 posts. modding like a champ so far...
-Seraphim, 10 posts, very little content to speak of. surprisingly familiar =\
-Sudo_Nym, 13 posts, a lot of content, but much of it seems to be just defending himself instead of scumhunting.
-UncertainKitten, 3 posts, replaced out without ever posting much content.


Also also also, I call front-row tickets to the ooba/farside make-out session. Now.

[ReaperCharlie]

AFAIK, miller means they look like scum when investigated, though they are in fact town. The death miller appears as scum upon flip, even though their wincon is town-aligned.

So... MacavityLock, you're claiming miller, eh?

I must say I concur with farside on wondering why you don't have more to say about other players.

[ReaperCharlie]

Lynch

who

please?

So far, the only 'scumtell' that you seem to be concentrating on is lack of content. This strikes me as odd, because it doesn't seem that you've made a sincere effort to hunt any scum, you just want to crucify people for not posting much. Which in my experience is exactly what scum do, to throw suspicion elsewhere and make themselves look better in the public eye.

I've got my eye on you.


Also, why did you call out MPR, fuzzy, and me for lack of content, but not FakeGod, Espeonage, jmj3000, rajhcprfreak, or seraphim?

[ReaperCharlie]

So far, the only 'scumtell' that you seem to be concentrating on is lack of content.

I'm sorry, that is incorrect. I called out townie hunting, IIOA, and a useless and distracting joke vote. Still, there are definite active lurking issues in the game thus far, which I rather like as a Day 1 tell.

It gets old, especially when everyone else has already brought it up. I don't see any scumhunting you've done on your own.

And wtf do you mean 'townie hunting'? Who would townie hunt as scum? Unless there are multiple factions (which I'm disinclined to believe, in a game this size), wouldn't the scum already KNOW who the townies were? This makes no sense as a scumtell.

btw, useless and distracting joke vote: oooh that's a definite scumtell. you're on to something there

This strikes me as odd, because it doesn't seem that you've made a sincere effort to hunt any scum, you just want to crucify people for not posting much. Which in my experience is exactly what scum do, to throw suspicion elsewhere and make themselves look better in the public eye.

Oh, fun, we have a hypocrite. I wasn't the one who counted posts. No, that was you. What I'm interested in is

content

, the value of posts.

Yes, which yours have had surprisingly little of, even given your short time in the thread.

Also, why did you call out MPR, fuzzy, and me for lack of content, but not FakeGod, Espeonage, jmj3000, rajhcprfreak, or seraphim?

Because they're all my scum-buddies. OH CRAP, YOU CAUGHT ME! But seriously folks, it's because I don't have as much of a problem with them yet. Except for Esp, who I called out for other reasons.

I certainly hope you're not serious about joking being bad, when you're doing it like that. But I'm not the one being anal, so.

Also, "sincere effort to hunt any scum"? I've been in the game for 36 hours. Give me some time to get my feet wet.

*waits*

[ReaperCharlie]

Way to not respond to any questions I asked you...

[ReaperCharlie]

Way to not respond to any questions I asked you...

What questions did I miss?

My comment was directed at Sudo 205. Sorry for the mix-up, shoulda quoted.

What points of yours haven't I answered to your satisfaction?

And I must say I am not impressed with a miller claim either.

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@ Seraphim. We await your return with... anticipation. Prove me wrong.

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@NS. Like I said, I am disinclined to believe there are 2 factions. Flavorly, what could they even be? Death Eaters/Voldemort, and.... Order of the Phoenix are the good guys. Maybe... Centaurs or Giants or something? I don't know... ...Inferi?

Just ideas. But I honestly don't think there's more than one faction. Disagree if you like. I've been wrong about this kind of thing before.

Yeah, I guess I missed that memo. Was it part of Harry Potter Mafia 101A? Btw, I think you missed the memo that I'm in Perpetual Joking Mode.

You said in 138:

I got a rather low-key, non-reaction from IH. I would think that bad-scum would freak just a little at that accusation; therefore the reaction serves (in my mind) to push IH a little towards town.

I'm neither happy nor unhappy with the reaction itself; I'm just happy that I got one. (I detest being ignored.)

Why would scum freak about being called opportunistic?

What kind of reaction were you looking for? An omgus vote? Good scum players not only DON'T react to vote pressure, they find ways to use that to their advantage. Do you think IH could possibly be doing that? He HAS been around MS since 2006, don't forget. We've only been around a few months.

And though I agree with you that he seems slightly town, how is that equal in your book to buddying with him? 0_o

@ Sudo buddying with you: that smells of subliminal early-game buddying. It's fairly common for experienced players (as scum) to do that to newbtown, in my experience. It's easily deniable if you're called out on it, but the result is undeniable in that the newbie feels appreciated. It was worth noting.


P.S. I did

not

admit to having a tiny wand. In fact, quite the opposite. You're foolin' yourself, mate.

[ReaperCharlie]

I want vigs to shoot me in the face.

Um... why? Wouldn't we just be wasting a shot on you that could be used for scum?? That's not pro-town at all.

/looks sideways at ML

[ReaperCharlie]

.... Never have I seen anyone (town or otherwise) eager to be vigged to 'save a lynch'.

Either you're stupid town (miller claim notwithstanding), or you're scum who has some sort of night immunity.

[ReaperCharlie]

All of that is immaterial in comparison to what you SHOULD have done. Instead of providing what can only be described as a cop-out miller claim, you should have hunted scum like it was your last day to be alive, opening up a can of whoop-ass on whoever was acting scummy, and by doing so you could have

at least

hoped/tried to draw a NK toward you and off us, if not two (if there is in fact a SK role or two scum factions).

The fact that you're asking the town to waste a vig kill on you (as opposed to a lynch) STILL doesn't help us catch scum.

Either you're trying to act as a diversion (which doesn't make sense for scum trying to pull the heat off other scum, because we'd catch it right away)...

or, you really

are

a miller, and are just stupid or short-sighted, or both.





And Sudo, I eagerly await your return and your response to my questions.

[ReaperCharlie]

Dear Sudo_Nym,


.....


Your friend,
ReaperCharlie

[ReaperCharlie]

vote: ReaperCharlie

scum should die.

...

Um,

excuse me?

Are you really just going to mindlessly follow what is already a stupid wagon on me? It's been well over a week since your last actual post (i.e. longer than one line), and the only thing you ever said against me before this was:

so that brings me to Reap, i could go with a bandwagon on him. seams like ther is lot of atempt at content but nothing really there.

This was 100 posts ago. Have you even read the thread since then?

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Oh. Also... do you have an ETA on actually contributing to the game?

[ReaperCharlie]

P.S.

Vote: FakeGod

Iso him. Seriously. Takes 20 seconds.

[ReaperCharlie]

Reap, I really don't think FakeGod is scum.

Why not?

@ReaperCharlie:

Maybe it's too early for me, but a quick search of your ISO shows no question directed at me. Just a lot of statements

about

me. Care to make it easy on a tired and overworked man?

Read my 191 about your 181. There might even be other questions, I can't be arsed to look them up right now though, so...

And maybe your 'quick search' was too quick, cause I found that after about 10 seconds of glancing through.

Also: If you're not going to take the time to make a worthwhile post, don't even bother.

[ReaperCharlie]

I never called you obvscum; I don't think I've ever refered to anyone as obvscum in any game I've ever played.

I guess I misinterpreted this:

Sudo any reason for ignoring RC's comments?

Any particular reason why my comments are necessary?

RC is obvious

, and has been commented on at length already, by a variety of people. He even has a number of votes.

What did you mean by that statement, then?

[ReaperCharlie]

Bah, I need to reread. Sorry for being inactive, guys. <_<

A curse upon you!

*Crucio!*: MPR

[ReaperCharlie]

Any particular reason why my comments are necessary?

RC is obvious

, and has been commented on at length already, by a variety of people. He even has a number of votes.

What did you mean by that statement, then?

I meant that the case about you was obvious, and was being picked up on. You were under some pressure for it, if you'll recall. I never assume that one piece of evidence, however obvious, is enough to call a person scummy, however. That's why the word "scummy" never appears in that post. I wanted to see how you responded to the pressure before I declared one way or the other, and you did okay, so I never voted. Not to say I'm convinced of your innocence, but there you have it.

Oh.

Well, ok...

[ReaperCharlie]

No. I don't follow people. I just think you're playing pretty scummily.

You are adding nothing to the game, posting "I will catch up soon!" every few days, and then coming back just to post "Sorry for the inactivity" and another sentence or two.

Oh, wait.... Case in point!

[ReaperCharlie]

Um? Your defense of FG is noted, kmd. *narrows eyes*

And, let's see.... maybe I am "picking on the newbie" since he was the one who'd posted right above me with utter crap, right about when I figured it was high time for me to lay a serious vote down. Therefore, I noticed him, ISO'd him, and voted him.

I wasn't satisfied with his play then, and I'm not satisfied with his play now, so my vote stays. If he doesn't prove that he's actually trying to contribute to the game, why should I move my vote?

Yes, others have contributed less, yes (fuzzy, jmj, mpr, raj). I mentioned them a few pages ago in my mass-ISO findings post. But do you expect me to hop votes between all the non-contributors? If you think they're more worth of a vote than FG is, then why aren't you voting for them?

I see you're still voting for me, is that because of your original reasons?

I don't like jmj's first post. Day 1 has started and all he talks about is the theme. Adds nothing to the game. Not even a random vote or confirm or anything. Kind of like Reap's "lmao" post a little later. Then Reap goes on about useless stuff in his next post. If his next few posts don't have real substance, I'll probably vote him in this post with jmj as a close second suspect.

Reap's long post looks like a lame attempt at "content".

Or are you just scum picking on other people's reasons for voting other people, and hoping you're not getting called out for your own vote, which is passé now anyway?

FoS: kmd

[ReaperCharlie]

@ fuzzy/jmj/mpr/raj:

Post, please.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah, mod's been gone a week. wtf?

[ReaperCharlie]

My bad. I thought you were still voting for me. I didn't see that you had unvoted. My apologies (<-- omfg scum slip catch phrase!!)

FG is seriously your biggest town read? Granted, I haven't been around as long as a lot of people, but even I can tell that there are a lot more pro-town people than FG.

I don't see someone of your personality to be a newbie lover. I just think you're trying to buddy up to him.

And yes, Mac is scummy. But I am believing his miller claim for now, which means obviously I don't wanna vote for him.

------------

And I didn't say FG was the worst offender:

And, let's see.... maybe I am "picking on the newbie" since he was the one who'd posted right above me with utter crap, right about when I figured it was high time for me to lay a serious vote down. Therefore, I noticed him, ISO'd him, and voted him.

I said he's the

first one I noticed

when I decided to vote seriously. What's wrong with that?

------------

And please tell me: What connection do you see between me and any one of the people you just listed? At all?

------------

farside: who do you think is more likely to be scum based on their current activity level and past performance: raj or Sudo?

Do you think they are scum together? Why or why not?

[ReaperCharlie]

So... in essence, you're chainsaw defending FakeGod? Noted.

[ReaperCharlie]

Uh, what? You've contributed like, NOTHING to the game, raj2457wfhsdfjh. All you've done is sheep kmd, and lurk blatantly.

And how is it pro-town to push for a claim? Especially at what, L-4?

[ReaperCharlie]

I KNEW IT!!!! I caught scum, guyz!!!!!!

Seriously though, now you're making me think you really DO think he's town.
It makes absolutely no sense for you to defend him like that if either of you are scum. Uggghhh

Unvote; vote: rajrhcpfreak

-- Now there's a vote I feel

awesome

about.

[ReaperCharlie]

just like you caught scum in the last game we were in together?

somehow I knew you'd bring that up, and somehow I think that's your reason for voting me here too. cross-game vendettas FTL.

no need to bandwagon me and out a protown role, lets continue the wagon on Reaper who is by far the scummiest person.

you seem pretty eager to stop any potential wagon on you in its tracks. which I don't think is inherently scummy when coming from town, but the way you are saying it is... off.
the soft claim does not help a bit either. you sound like nervous scum here.

And would you mind explaining, why and how am I the scummiest person??? by ANY stretch?
1. I am participating, which is more than you can say for half the players.
2. I am scumhunting, which is more than you can say for 2/3 the players.
3. I have a wagon on me... started for reasons that... no longer exist?

oh and kmd, you might want to move sudo down there with reaper with him waiting for sudo to vote and give him motmentum.

Do you not agree that I have an excellent reason to unvote FakeGod? Do you not agree that I have an excellent reason for voting you?

its pro town for someone to push for a claim when we only have 7 days before the deadline. a week is still enough time to get 2-3 more votes. then you claim. and if you have a decent claim we can rethink killing you. plently of time to play but i dont want a quick lynch because we are running out of time. scum would want the lynch to be at the last min and/or without a claim.

This is all a matter of opinion, which can be skewed any way you want to make yourself seem pro-town.

ps. i know its an oxymoron for me to claiming about the activity. but for a 16 player game we have been very slow on content and talking so i really think a claim and 7 days before will be good for discussion and activity.

oooorrrrr, it could easily out a town pr, which obviously is not pro-town, no matter HOW you spin it. it gives scum an advantage in knowing who to pick off.
not saying i am a town pr, but ... it's your

motives

behind trying to get a claim that interest me.

pss. it also looks like reaper is looking for farside to bless my wagon as good but im pretty sure the sudo's tag team with him should deter her some.

ok first, why would I be looking for farside's approval?

and second, I don't see how you get that my vote for you is looking for farside's approval. IF i was looking for farside's approval, wouldn't I vote for sudo instead of agreeing with him on a vote? after all, that's the case she's been championing for the last ... oh, TEN or so pages.

In the immortal words of Captain Jack Sparrow,
"Now you're not making any sense at all."

[ReaperCharlie]

If you're voting for me, please give your reason.

[ReaperCharlie]

If I wanted "look at what I posted already" I wouldn't have asked. Tell me here, now, succinctly.

[ReaperCharlie]

-Started out posting non-content
-When called on non-content, you posted the "lame attempt" post just to appear to be posting content.
-misrepped my callout of the above
-laughed off my case and joke voted well after everyone was done with the RVS
-When I made real points, but also included jokes, you chose to respond to the jokes and ignore the points

-Everyone starts with non-content. It's called RVS
-Nobody called me out, I did that on my own - before your 'call out'.
-I made that post to get MYSELF out of RVS because I know I spend to long in it. If you need evidence of that, refer to my joke omgus vote.
-What 'real' points of yours did I ignore, when you claim I responded only to jokes?

-how closely did you read my post 121, anyway?

-I forget who it was, but you called someone out for using only the scumtell of lack of activity when at the time, you were doing the exact same thing

If you're going to bring this argument, bring facts, not "I forget who it was"

-Then there's the whole FakeGod thing where you call him on lurking and vote him while admitting there are worse offenders of the exact same thing.

-He's who I noticed when I decided to vote. Ergo, I voted him. Problem?

-When I point out the above point, you say call it a chainsaw defense of FakeGod

so? that's exactly what it looks like! lol, are you saying it didn't

look like this?

cause that's exactly what I thought of, first thing.

-The glasses on your avatar diasappear too quickly

huh? what glasses? 0_o

[ReaperCharlie]

@ kmd: here is the post you are saying I didn't answer?

Reap, that is a massive

erection

misrep of what I said. I said that you weren't adding anything to the game at first, then once you attempted to appear to be posting content, it was pretty much lame one-liners, non-opinions, or stating the obvious. Not really content. Just trying to look good.

I don't consider it content because there isn't much actual substance to it.

rajkdjldsgjl is what he is because that's what I feel like calling him. He will be rajkdjsgklasd for the entire time that I am alive in this game. Because it's more fun to type rajkldsgmjakl than to actually do it right.

And seriously? I lay a vote on you and you laugh it off and OMGUS me? Seriously?

What real questions are in there for me? Yes, I seriously laughed your vote off and OMGUSd you. Anything else?

yeah by the time i came back to this thread to find a new person to replace MMM on my scumdar the only one i could find is Reaper. the rest is just average especially because of the lurkers (i know im one of them).

so the only one you could find scummier than MMM was me?

so i basicly outlined my views so everyone knows where i stand and support the case that kmd already posted since there isnt much more.

there isn't much more? try reading 181-183. THANKS.

imo there's plenty of reason to vote you, you haven't even tried to play the game besides sheeping other people's votes (namely, on the biggest wagon). you're so scummy it hurts my brain.

ok first, why would I be looking for farside's approval?

and second, I don't see how you get that my vote for you is looking for farside's approval. IF i was looking for farside's approval, wouldn't I vote for sudo instead of agreeing with him on a vote? after all, that's the case she's been championing for the last ... oh, TEN or so pages.

because people respect her and havnt said that shes scummy. so if you convince her more undecided townspeople might look at your views and favorably too.

ok moron, my question was: HOW DOES VOTING THE SAME WAY SUDO IS VOTING = SUCKING UP TO FARSIDE? IF ANYTHING, IT'S THE OPPOSITE.

3/4 of your reply to my post is either nonsensical or ignores the point of what I was saying.

so I reiterate the parts that were actually questions, and let everyone else read your post and SEE THAT YOU ARE PURPOSELY IGNORING THE POINTS I'M MAKING:

1. Do you not agree that I have an excellent reason to unvote FakeGod? Yes/No
2. Do you not agree that I have an excellent reason for voting you? Yes/No

@Raj: Your last post is the best you have so far and yet I see no scum hunting or reasoning in your post.

QFT

^no, that's not me sucking up to farside

[ReaperCharlie]

Nice WIFOMspeculation™, dude.

Sounds kind of elaborate for me to subliminally try to pull that off, though. But congratulations on outing my uber-evil scumplan to get you lynched for lurking. Now can we proceed with the bandwagon-to-claim on me? It seems like that's all you're interested in anyway.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, besides fakegod's wanting my thoughts on the miller clam ML made and kmd wanting my opinions on everyone, are there any other questions for me?

Yeah.

-who are your top suspects at this point?
-why are they your top suspects?
-are you gonna get active in the game?
-what do you think of how lurking is affecting this game?
-what do you think of my bandwagon?

[ReaperCharlie]

Wait farside... fuzzy's real case on me is valid? You mean that one post where he voted me two weeks ago when he said "he's omgusing and not really trying to move the game along and this screams scum" (or something similar)?

fakegod, congratulations on posting your first post that I can agree with.

---

Oh, and did ANYBODY NOTICE that nobody really seems interested in scumhunting except farside, kmd, ooba, and myself. raj is in here posting random sh1+ that doesn't make sense, fakegod has popped in a few times over the past week, but everyone else is LURKING.

Seriously! Look over the past WEEK of content! very little to speak of from anyone but the six I mentioned, everyone else has pretty much gone AWOL, and nobody is calling them on it.

THIS REEKS OF SCUM JUST LURKING AND BIDING THEIR TIME UNTIL WE DEADLINE AND A NO-LYNCH IS REACHED -- OR, HOPING FOR A MISLYNCH ON ME BY LEAVING THEIR VOTES FROM 2 WEEKS AGO ON ME, EVEN THOUGH THE REASONS THEY VOTED ME NO LONGER EXIST.

WHAT THE @#&%, PEOPLE. WHAT THE @#&%.

[ReaperCharlie]

Btw, the deadline is Tuesday 15 June at 6:27am, site time.

farside, ooba, kmd, fakegod, ANYONE, I want to know NOW who you are willing to SERIOUSLY lynch, and WHY.

NOT because of the wagon (which is an easy way out of having to ACTUALLY scumhunt). But because of the BEHAVIOR. Because of the SCUMTELLS. Because of the BASICS.

And I want it all in the following format (so there's no excuse for lurking):

'I want to lynch NAME because of REASON, REASON, REASON.
(Unvote;) Vote: NAME'

And if you honestly don't give a flying @#&! or haven't been paying attention, SAY SO:

I haven't been following the thread. But I will follow any lynch. Baaaa

...

...


That is all.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ raj:

*if rajtown: what possible way could i convince you that I'm not scum when you're not focusing on anyone else? you lurk for days and then come into the thread and just use someone else's argument against me without even looking at anyone else! how stupid is that?

*if rajscum: shut the h311 up you f*ckin lurking, easy-wagoning, parroting, SCUM. take a long walk off a short pier.

---

Uh. jmj. your entrance seems pretty focused on only one or two players... you gonna comment on everyone else?? btw I think you're wrong about ML being scum, but that's just the feeling I get based on the tone of his posts and the very little sense he appears to be making.

ML, no matter what you think about it, it's still stupid to ask for a vig to kill you.
a) it wastes a vig kill that could be used on scum.
b) it leaves us with one less townie to help overcome scumwagoning.
c) a newbie vig might actually be stupid enough to oblige you.

Whether you're scum or not, I don't know, but I'm leaning no because of how tangled up in wifom it would be if you WERE scum and claiming miller. though I've never played with you before so I don't know if thats the type of gambit you'd pull. anyone else played with him before?

And yes, name claim please, ML.

Also, since you'll be V/LA I'll ask you politely and i'll ask you once: switch your vote from me to someone else who you think is potentially wagon-worthy. there's no point to leave it on me. trust me on this.


anyone else who hasn't explained their vote on me should do so now or pay the consequences.

[ReaperCharlie]

And yes, name claim please, ML.

Snape, Snape, Severus Snape.

Also, since you'll be V/LA I'll ask you politely and i'll ask you once: switch your vote from me to someone else who you think is potentially wagon-worthy. there's no point to leave it on me. trust me on this.

As I think there's a good chance that you're scum, I don't trust you on this. Sorry, but I need more than this.

I'm the next one in the song. And I'm usually naked.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yes I did. I am Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore, and I'm some kind of buffed-up JOAT... flavor talks about me being headmaster of Hogwarts, and I lost contact w/everyone else cause whoever hasn't already gotten ganked by Death Eaters was made blurry by a spell, and that I have to restore order to the world.

ugh, you guys are so dense.

[ReaperCharlie]

I want a name claim (and more flavor), or I am fine with lynching you. As has been said, we are near a deadline and there has been enough pussy-footing around at this point.

Unvote; Vote: Sudo

[ReaperCharlie]

Deadline is June 15th. Let's get something going here. It's the weekend, where is everyone?

[ReaperCharlie]

@ ALL: STOP LURKING. LETS GET A WAGON ON SCUM, THX

[ReaperCharlie]

Dementors don't lock people up in Azkaban, they guard Azkaban. I don't buy this...

but wanna know something awesome? I just finished watching HP3! (the Azkaban one), so of course I'm gonna be all over that fake scumclaim like white on rice.

[ReaperCharlie]

Did you ask anyone anything besides Sudo_Nym?

[ReaperCharlie]

Welcome back, SensFan.

[ReaperCharlie]

Esp: Wait, you actually believe Sudo's claim? A dementor would not be a jailkeeper, and even if it's the only thing that fits flavor-wise, I still can't see that as being a pro-town role. When was the last time you watched Prisoner of Azkaban or read Deathly Hallows? Please tell me you know that they are almost exclusively trying to kill good guys and help bad guys throughout the series from Book 3 on.

This thread needs moar Sudo_Nym wagon.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah well Fudge and Scrimgeour are also "good", but were they (or Dolores Umbridge)

actually

good?

.....

[ReaperCharlie]

JK = Jailkeeper. What Sudo claimed.

FakeGod, does AC mean anything to you in this game. Be honest.

lol, what's AC

[ReaperCharlie]

hi guys! i just found out i replaced into this
i'll have to catch up on this

ROFL YESSSS!!!!!

hahahahahaha, hello Furcolo-hohohohoho-w!! LOL hehehe

[ReaperCharlie]

About the claims, flavor wise, Reap has one of the biggest protagonists in the series, which I can't possibly see him fakeclaiming unless he's scum trying to draw out a real Dumbledore, who makes the most sense as a town power role. Unless I see a counterclaim or Dumbledore flip, I believe that Reap is Dumbledore. He also claims JOAT, which is very hard to fake. Reap, have you seen a JOAT in a game before?

Yeah but he got killed before he was able to do anything useful. lol

Fortunately that's shouldn't be too much of a problem for me.

[ReaperCharlie]

@Mac: One might also say that how you've played your 'miller' role is regardless far less than pro-town, even if not the MOST anti-town:

1. townies only want to lynch scum. if you're not scum, you should give them every possible reason to think you're not scum.
2. investigators only want to target scum. if you're not scum, you should give them every possible reason to think you're not scum.
3. vigilantes only want to target scum. if you're not scum, you should give them every possible reason to think you're not scum.
4. scum don't know a miller is a miller. if you were exceptionally pro-town in the daytime, you could have hoped to draw a nightkill.

now those are the BEST ways to play miller. what you

did

do, however, was claim. and this just opens up all sorts of WIFOMbuckets™.

1. townies might want to lynch you solely based on the fact that you might just be scum WIFOMing it up.
2. investigators might investigate you anyways. dumb, but i wouldn't put it past some scummers i've met. believe it.
3. and if that's not enough, asking a vig to take you out is an out-and-out WASTE of a vig kill. seriously. ugh. see #4 above.

if you are in fact a pro-town role, you should have just shut up about your miller claim and eaten a lynch gracefully if someone DID investigate you. plus, you could have hoped to catch scum wagoning onto you for poor reasons, or any other possible useful thing you could have done until the endgame. in conclusion, you are pretty much a waste of a townie, if in fact you are a townie. you have helped the scum twice as much as the town, and i'm thoroughly displeased with you either way.

[ReaperCharlie]

I have a suspicion that we should lynch FakeGod but no evidence whatsoever. Bah.

Welcome to the club.

wait, are you even playing in this game? *looks back through thread*

[ReaperCharlie]

Reaper, your opinion on Millers is wrong, and good luck playing one when you get dealt that hand.

Just you watch me.

Some other time

(not in this thread)

, I'd really like to know what kind of magic I could have employed to guarantee that people thought that I was the towniest town who ever towned.

Hmmm... maybe scumhunting?

Pro-tip: Scumhunting

successfully

always helps.

Now can we please drop it and move on?

Yeah fine.

[ReaperCharlie]

Sudo_Nym - 6 (farside22, Seraphim, rajrhcpfreak, ooba, ReaperCharlie, FakeGod)
ReaperCharlie - 1 (fuzzylightning)
furcolow - 1 (MehPlusRawr)
Nobody Special - 1 (IH)
jmj3000 - 1 (MacavityLock)
Seraphim - 1 (furcolow)
rajrhcpfreak - 1 (Sudo_Nym)

*edited to be correct, I think

With 16 players, it's 9 for a lynch. We have only a few days left, why wait to vote and put ourselves at risk for a no-lynch?

A few things:

-I would like to hear MPR's opinion on Sudo, as FakeGod is obviously not today's lynch.
-I want to hear from fuzzy, IH, Seraphim, etc. Anyone who has not commented on Sudo.
-I would like to know (since he is a miller but admittedly wants to be pro-town), why Mac is voting jmj instead of Sudo when we obviously need a lynch for today, and there is clearly not enough time to present a case and have everyone switch to jmj today.
-Actually, I just want anyone not voting for Sudo to explain why they aren't voting for Sudo, cause we need a lynch pretty soon and I doubt any other candidate is going to be day-copped as scum or anything crazy.

Basically: What are you waiting for?

[ReaperCharlie]

That's good for me. Given what you said before, that's what I assumed, I just wanted to hear you say it.



....Everyone else? (no, parroting the above does not count.)

[ReaperCharlie]

Which means he's either scum or third-party.

LYNCH GOGOGOGOGOGO

[ReaperCharlie]

ehhh. not very close to what mine says. if it's up to me, i wouldn't give him the cigar box. and looking at the activity level we're too close to a deadline to pile off and try to lynch someone else, even if he had a perfect pm. which he doesn't.

funnily enough, i was elsewhere on the forum today and i happened upon this post: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2321329 -- which opens up all sorts of WIFOMpossibilities™, but i'm definitely not willing to go down that slippery road right now...

cause we still need to hear from plenty of people before the day ends. where are you guys? vacation? it's the middle of the week for crying out loud.

[ReaperCharlie]

Kmd, any reason you are trying to derail the Sudo lynch at L-1 when there's clearly not enough time to divert enough votes?

[ReaperCharlie]

oooh, yay. Hi dram

[ReaperCharlie]

Esp's post 3 posts ago makes me reeeeaaally think he's scum.
But then his post just before mine looks so pro-town it's scary.

WTF Esp

[ReaperCharlie]

his post 3 posts ago is indicative of the FACT that a random lynch > a no lynch mathematically (at least that's what i've been told) which is pro-town from my eyes. Sure, a bit hasty, but pro-town.

This would be more scummy:

Unvote;
Vote: MPR

wagon this guy plz

... and AGAIN, I find myself wondering why, THIS CLOSE TO THE DEADLINE, people are pushing for lynches other than sudo.

Simply put:

it blows my mind.

also, the fact i am acting a way doesn't point towards me being evil or mafia or whatever. i am actually town in this game for once.

Mmm. Hope that's a tasty WIFOMsandwich™ you're munching there.

[ReaperCharlie]

IF you're town, which I sincerely doubt, we'll learn more from analyzing your wagon than we will from no-lynching.
And even IF we could get 7 people to switch their votes from you to MPR within the next 7 hours (which I also sincerely doubt), would it be any better than lynching you? Why?

The deadline is sometime in the middle of the night tonight, so it has to be done today.

[ReaperCharlie]

And I find it very interesting that RC is more interested in lynching anyone then he is in helping the bandwagon hit somebody who is, at least, not a claimed PR.

In support of the new bandwagon (and self-defense), UNVOTE: , VOTE: MPR

IF you're town, which I sincerely doubt, we'll learn more from analyzing your wagon than we will from no-lynching.
And even IF we could get 7 people to switch their votes from you to MPR within the next 7 hours (which I also sincerely doubt), would it be any better than lynching you? Why?

The deadline is sometime in the middle of the night tonight, so it has to be done today.

*I've added the post I was replying to in a quote.

[ReaperCharlie]

I looked up "death traitor" on the wiki and there's no page, so I looked up traitor. I've never played with that role before 0_o... I guess it's kind of cool, sorta makes sense with the flavor too, sooooo... yea. Kmd what is the difference between a "death traitor" and a traitor?

[ReaperCharlie]

oh.

[ReaperCharlie]

I used investigate on jmj3000 last night, he is pro town. dam# i totally thought he was scum too... i just had that ITCH. i almost investigated ooba, allllmost, because i know how tricky he can be (has anyone ever played with him before? omfg), but figured i'd tentatively trust him this game until proven otherwise.

kmd brings up an interesting point about ooba's interactions with espeonage, i'll have to read more about that later.. i'm at work and can't post much atm, i'll get in a better re-read of the entire topic in the next few days, now that we have ooba's connections to analyze.


ALSO: I think the mafia tried to kill me last night, because I received a mod PM stating that I was 'weakened' and that I 'might not survive another direct attack'. soooo.... somebody else might have tried to kill ooba? ...maybe we have an SK running around too, i dont know. (though I don't know who it'd be, flavor-wise).

[ReaperCharlie]

hindsight is 20/20; it's easy to say that Sudo was town NOW.
do you have anything to say about anyone ELSE'S actions yesterday?

And um........ doc? who said anything about a doc?



igmeoy

[ReaperCharlie]

(that was @ dramonic)

[ReaperCharlie]

Yes. This?

You all wake up to pecking of the owl deliverring the Daily Prophet. Yawning, you put a knut in his pouch, grab a cup of coffee, and lazily scan the front cover.

"Man killed in savage attack"
There was a terrible murder last night, as Peter Pettigrew was found dead. His body has been scratched and torn all over, and it is unknown what could have done this damage. The sudden re-appearance of this man confirms that he was indeed the one who killed all those Muggles 15 years ago, though the location of the body suggests he was still trying to find his old Master.

Shaken somewhat, you Apparate to the meeting spot for the day's talks. To your great surprise, Peter Pettigrew - known to some as Wormtail - was the one you had designated ooba.

ooba, Peter Pettigrew (Death Eater Mafia Traitor), killed Night 1.

[ReaperCharlie]

I read it more than three times looking for it, and trying to find out how you extrapolated a doc from anything in there.

Nothing

about a doctor in there.

[ReaperCharlie]

hmmmm... well...

if you're town: that seems like quite a stretch... which relies

completely

on flavor.
if you're scum: that seems like a pretty bad slip. I'm inclined to think it's this, so...

vote: dramonic

[ReaperCharlie]

Also thinking about Espeon's Patronus claim. If it's a true claim, he's not a Death Eater either. Could be a lyncher with Sudo as a target, but I'd expect him to have been removed from the game if that were the case. Chances are Espeon saw a dementor claim and thought of the idea to fakeclaim patronus.

Yeah... this makes sense, I guess. And I find it pretty unlikely that someone's role would just be a character's patronus. I don't know why I didn't think of that before. Probably because I thought Sudo was scum.

Anyway, if anyone else has the role of a character's patronus, please speak up now.


For now though, my vote's still on dram. I reeeeeaaalllyyyy don't like dram's 'oh look a doctor hit the right target!' slip. I want to hear more players' opinions about that, cause that's super sketchy. And look at his explanation for it:

<_<
>_>

I really should have read the day's post before commenting on the night. I didn't even know RC had been targetted =_=;

THIS IS EVEN WORSE, BECAUSE YOU AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED THAT THE DOCTOR HAD SAVED SOMEBODY FROM YOUR FACTION'S KILL LAST NIGHT, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SHOW UP IN THE DAYBREAK FLAVOR POST BY THE MOD!

[ReaperCharlie]

And your vote is not on him because?

[ReaperCharlie]

@RC: ??? My vote is on him........

Oh I musta missed that haha



As for what's being said about Fenrir Greyback being the SK, that sounds pretty plausible, but read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Eate ... r_Greyback

You don't need to all cap me, it just makes you sound less credible RC.

How does it make me sound less credible? It's called EMPHASIS.

As to what you're saying, I don't think it's particularely implausible to read the night results and link the absence of a kill to a doc.

There WASN'T an absence of a kill. That's the point. You said you'd made that statement before even reading my post. Therefore, you wouldn't have known that I got attacked last night.

How do you know there should have been two kills last night? And how do you know a doc was successful? It sure didn't sound like you were weighing it around in your head at all, you flat out stated it as fact.

And I want to know why.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ dram: You said that already. And what I am saying is, if you really posted that before reading my post, you:

a) assumed that one kill wasn't enough (which a townie would have no way of knowing right off the bat)
b) assumed the kill wasn't a Death Eater kill, according to flavor (which a townie probably wouldn't know, since there ARE curses like Sectumsempra)
c) made the jump straight to doc, without even any conjecture on whether there was a third-party or not (SK or otherwise)

So from that, *I* extrapolate that you are either a Death Eater who knew that his kill didn't go through last night and assumed the doc protected your target, or you ARE the doc, and assume that since there was only one death last night (and you protected someone and they didn't die) you assumed that you successfully protected them, but that if you WERE a doc, that would also assume that you knew the flavor wasn't a Death Eater kill, which a townie would seriously have no way of knowing. And it would be easily explainable if you were scum because... hey, we didn't target that guy!

And the doc one doesn't make sense with my not dying last night, because I didn't get anything that made me think that I'd been protected by a doc, I got something that made me think it was my own fault I was still alive. Which will also be the case tomorrow night, because since I am 'weakened' or w/e I'm def. protecting myself tonight.

In other words...

nice try.

[ReaperCharlie]

//// Y_Y ////
*doesn't like dramonic still*

Esp, you realize that by what you claimed, we can lynch you to see if you were telling the truth, right???

FG, you do realize that by what you said, you could have applied that to any other role ever created as well, right???

[ReaperCharlie]

wewt! Spyrex is finally here! Lets string us up some baddies

---

unvote
vote: espeonage

lets lynch this guy if you think hes my scum buddy
i dont care about him at all

no thanks. back on dramonic please

we aren't interested in your sock-puppet 'hey i'll prove we're not scum together look! i'll vote him'

---

and spyrex you're correct, he's not exactly 'twirling mustaches busted scum', but he IS a good lynch atm

better than esp anyways, imo

[ReaperCharlie]

And, of course, if he's actually "lynchproof" that needs to be tested.

And potentially waste our lynch for the day? You seem more interested in getting a confirmed townie than lynching a scumbag. Since we already lynched town Day 1, I don't think that's wise. The traitor being killed last night WAS good, but we're still not in AWE-SAW shape yet.

My tendency is to think that Esp is just some kind of scum who also has one-shot lynch immunity, and is trying to gambit and use his one-shot unlynchable in the only smart way I can think of using it: by pretending it's a town ability, and using it to convince the town that he's with them. At least, that's what I'd do if I were scum with that kind of ability.

So it doesn't make sense to lynch him cause even if he's telling the truth about being unlynchable, it doesn't prove he's town, and doing so would still waste our lynch for the day (exactly the kind of thing scum wants -- barring a mislynch, but if the attention is on him already, maybe this is all he's got left up his sleeve. it makes sense if you think about it).

And then, of course, there's the off chance he's a jester...
*/me tenses up and waits for tomatoes to be thrown at him*

[ReaperCharlie]

No. It just makes sense, and I think dram is the better lynch.

[ReaperCharlie]

feels like reapercharlie is trying to save a scum-buddy to me with a chainsaw

\\

also, chainsaw means I'd be attacking his attacker, NOT just explaining why it's a bad idea to lynch him and expect it to clear him.

[ReaperCharlie]

he COULD be a jester, right? then he'd

want

to get lynched

>.>
<.<

*cough*

And then, of course, there's the off chance he's a jester...
*/me tenses up and waits for tomatoes to be thrown at him*

*throws a tomato at Furcolow*

[ReaperCharlie]

No - "lynchproof" is one of those claims that HAS to be tested.

even if it wastes a lynch? -_-

if enough others agree then yeah fine lets lynch him, but, i still

don't

think it's productive, as it trades us NOT ACTUALLY confirming a townie, for a scumkill (or possibly two) tonight. and he wouldn't even be confirmed town.

that just doesnt seem worth it

Not to mention lynchproof = counterclaiming a jailer.

what's this mean?

GOD paranoia: What role would make sense to be lynchproof unless "something happened" in Harry Potter?

unless what happened?

Jester speculation (Peeves? lol) is bad.

hehehe I could see that. but like you said, i doubt it'd end the game.

hehehehe hahahaha I ARE HARRY POTTER LOL

LOL

the things you did with that post restriction were so epic. i was rolling, like the whole game. HAHA

[ReaperCharlie]

*grumble* I still don't think it's productive to waste a lynch on Esp. Even if he is telling the truth about his un-lynchable-ness, it won't prove his alignment.

[ReaperCharlie]

*and a mislynch is still a mislynch*

[ReaperCharlie]

Guys, I don't like the way this Esp wagon is going. There are things that strike me as completely reasonable about his claim, and I'm wondering why people aren't seeing that. For one thing, I don't think he's claiming unlynchable.

FG and dram remain looking not so good to me.

Q F f*ckin T

[ReaperCharlie]

Maybe go back and read my posts, that should help you figure it out.

@ everyone: stop pointing fingers all over the place and read the thread first.
figure out TWO people you are willing to lynch for today, and post your top 2.
Make sure to also post your REASONING or link to the posts where you have
already done so. THANK YOU!

Mine are:
-dramonic
-Espeonage

Reasons already stated.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hey, Mod, IH's last post was in... May.

LOL




still waiting on those top 2 from everyone else.

[ReaperCharlie]

welll....

@ furc i dont see what you're talking about with me and kmd. he's the one who pointed out that my post was iioa and tried to get my lynched. besides, he doesn't even like dramscum, or at least seems more interested in pushing for an esplynch. but honestly if we're looking for kmd connections, there is a strong connection between kmd/fakegod which is blindingly obvious. if they were scum together i can't help but get the willies that they look so town, because they'd really really have distanced themselves more and would (should?) have been very careful about that kind of thing. i read them as masons, or both non-mason town, I also sorta see them as one-scum/one-town but not as strong as the other two, because unless fakegod is the scum one, it wouldn't make sense cause kmd would know to never buddy up to a townie that strongly.

and i personally think kmd is town for other reasons too, like when he attacked my post 121 so strongly like that cause he thought i was scum. and though I hate to say it, he was right about post 121 being a lame attempt at content. my real goal with that post was just to breadcrumb. soooo... yea, he's probtown.

Where the hell did I ever imply the existence of RC being targetted? 0_o
Don't put words in my mouth. All I said is that I was assuming the doc was successful during the night. Aren't you a hysterical little one.

i know for a fact that i was targeted by

something

last night, and i think it was a killing role because i have been 'weakened' and i assume that means i'm a lot closer to death now. dram, if you are in fact a doc, i would ask that you protect me tonight because i don't know if my protection will be enough for myself, because i have as i said been weakened and i don't know if my protection will be enough.

i am also not sure if 'weakened' means i cannot use one of my other powers tonight, i asked the mod and he said he couldn't say. but this is a very good night for the mafia/sk to try to take out a vig role so i ask for your protection. and DAM#, i wish you guys hadn't made me claim day 1. that was so heinous. f#@& you guys, esp kmd.

and yes, i too am getting scumpings from furcolow, too. trying to set up a mislynch on the chance that we are wrong and dram IS the doc doesn't sit well with me at all. and maybe this stood out to me more than anyone else (because he's talking about me in the quotes), but it doesn't make sense, and doesn't strike me as a town motive when he reverses his stance from this:

i had been fairly suspicious of RC, though i am not now. i was suspicious when i read farside, but idk.

to this:

We lynch RC, if he's not red, we can lynch dramonic or hell you all can lynch me. I'm pretty sure he's red.

especially so fast, only a half a page difference between those two. it makes me blink twice and wonder if i missed something he said in between or before those two quotes. i am gonna do a re-read on furc and who he replaced. what do we have now, 4 replacements? and its only day 2 in a mini game? thats kinda sad. who the heck doesn't wanna stay in a harry potter game? ffs

oh, and also, mpr popping in with a one-liner 'yo look dudez its furc's scum meta lolol' is neither helpful or enlightening. if you have something to say mpr, just SAY it. you are on my scum list because of behavior like that, and the wifom in your sig saying that you're scummy town doesn't help either, its like an excuse in advance for every game in which you act scummy..

aaaand, all of the lurkers we have aren't helping and give me the willies too. and raj's apology to me and 'the town' strikes a funny note with me as well. but there i go again, pointing out reasons why multiple people could be scum. i want to focus on one or two at a time, tops.

and while I think it's worthwhile to push esp, i don't understand why spyrex is not interested in the dram angle, i would have thought that he'd be all over dram like butter on toast.

@ spyrex, why dont you think dram is a good lynch? do you not agree that his slip 90% confirms that he is scum or a doc? either he's a scum whose kill didn't go through, or he's a doc and he assumed his protection went through. the fact that i was targeted last night by what i assume was a killing action (which i am 99% sure i survived because of my role, not because of any protection on me), and the fact that HE DIDNT READ THAT before he posted his thing saying 'ooo looks like the doc got lucky' makes me think he's scum as opposed to a doc. do you agree or disagree?

i could see dram/spyrex as scum together... spyrex seems to be against a dramlynch, and wants to focus more on others, even though i feel my case against dramonic is pretty strong. then again, maybe this is just smartypants spyrex setting himself up for an 'i told you so' moment if dramonic DOES flip town.

and i could also see kmd/fars as scum together, esp with the d1 mislynch on sudo and farside's distancing from kmd early on. but kmd's play has been relatively pro-town compared to most. obviously, disagreeing with an outed PR is not exactly something scum would want to do, they would wanna sheep the outed PR more, especially if he (me) was heading up a mislynch.

--------

and i tend to tunnel somewhat on which ever players are active and posting (esp on the ones who post a lot) and not really look at lurkers as much (obv because they're not there. hence the effectiveness of lurking), so here is my afterthought attempt to try to combat that. here are some reads/comments on the players from page 1's player list.

KMD4390

Panzerjager

- (could be clever scum, but i get a town read)
rajrhcpfreak - (i didn't like him yesterday at all, and all he's done today is apologize. scummy)
jmj3000 - (town. probably acting the scummiest out of everyone, but still town.)
Nobody Special - (15 posts in May, only 10 in June. active lurking. vote on dram could be opportunistic. kinda scummy.)
furcolow

Mysterious Mystery Man

- (pretty scummy, as was MMM. also, trying to discredit near-confirmed PR [me]) #3
farside22 - (dropped off the face of the earth since day 2 started and sudo flipped town... who knows?)
FakeGod - (seems townie enough now, which is a complete reversal of my previous read. strongly linked to kmd.)
IH - (...who? i went back and ISO'd. 4 posts total, none in June. 0_o) <--WTF MOD. REPLACE?
MacavityLock

mb53

- (claimed Snape, pro-town Miller. i am leaning towards believing it)
MehPlusRawr - (scummy. lurking. all-around uuuugghhhh).
Espeonage - ([fake]claimed as Prongs the Patronus... I don't think I like it.) #2
SpyreX

fuzzylightning

- (hasn't posted enough yet, getting mixed vibes from what meta i can remember)
dramonic

Seraphim

- (scum/doc. acting scummy... ) #1

and i see that we have not four, but five replacements. faaaan-tastic. the flake rate so far is really throwing a wrench into my reads on people. if you're in this game right now, please stick around.

[ReaperCharlie]

ehhh...

your theory/proposition is all well and good... except for the fact that it's just a bucket of wifom... i.e. useless.
you're linking me with dramonic's alignment, which has nothing to do with my own alignment; i am town.

are you saying scumhunting based on slips and tells is incorrect? even if i am mistaken about dramonic being
scum, that doesn't automatically make my method of scumhunting wrong. that's just loopy.

by your logic, farside22 should be strung up because sudo_nym was a mislynch. do you agree?...

...i thought not.

and did you even

read

my post? if so, do you have anything to say about it? why the backtracking on your
read of me? just because it furthers your agenda, or do you really believe that I am scum?

-----

i still haven't re-read yet, sry people. i am in the middle of starting a game i am modding, i should be less
busy in a day or two. i'm kinda overloaded right now

[ReaperCharlie]

hopefully we don't even have to do that, though, and mpr can ride my coattails to victory

haha


and i make an excuse because i probably wont be doing my re-read for at least a day or two.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ spyrex, why dont you think dram is a good lynch? do you not agree that his slip 90% confirms that he is scum or a doc? either he's a scum whose kill didn't go through, or he's a doc and he assumed his protection went through. the fact that i was targeted last night by what i assume was a killing action (which i am 99% sure i survived because of my role, not because of any protection on me), and the fact that HE DIDNT READ THAT before he posted his thing saying 'ooo looks like the doc got lucky' makes me think he's scum as opposed to a doc. do you agree or disagree?

I just don't see that as a slip. Looking at the flavor missing an actual wizard kill makes sense. Thats the biggest part by a wide margin.

yeah well, maybe i didn't explain it well enough, or maybe you missed these posts.

Yes I did. I am Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore, and

I'm some kind of buffed-up JOAT

... flavor talks about me being headmaster of Hogwarts, and I lost contact w/everyone else cause whoever hasn't already gotten ganked by Death Eaters was made blurry by a spell, and that I have to restore order to the world.

ugh, you guys are so dense.

ALSO: I think the mafia tried to kill me last night,

because I received a mod PM stating that I was 'weakened' and that I 'might not survive another direct attack'. soooo.... somebody else might have tried to kill ooba? ...maybe we have an SK running around, i dont know. (though I don't know who it'd be, flavor-wise).

educated guesses say Fenrir Greyback, which would make sense, but I also brought up this:

As for what's being said about Fenrir Greyback being the SK, that sounds pretty plausible, but read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Eate ... r_Greyback

which means that EITHER

1) we DO have an SK (FG) running around, he killed ooba, and the mafia kill was blocked, OR
2) FG is Death Eater Mafia and his kill flavor is torn and scratched.

Now this relies completely on flavor BUT.

whether it's 1) or 2),

dram

did

make a slip

about saying the doctor saved a guy last night. this either means he's scum or a doc. whether he's Death Eater Mafia scum or an SK, we don't know, but SINCE HE DIDNT READ MY POST BEFORE MAKING HIS POST, it could be any one of these:

a) Dram-Mafia - hey, my kill didn't go through! wtf? looks like the doc got lucky!
b) Dram-SK - hey, my kill went through but i was the only one? wtf? looks like the doc got lucky!
c) Dram-Doc - hey, a kill went through last night. the guy i saved didn't die sooo... HOORAY I GOT LUCKY!
---c1) MUST assume that there is an SK in this game (fair chance, but not certain. he assumes it anyway)
---c2) MUST assume that the kill was not a Mafia kill. (completely dependent upon flavor. not reliable, but he assumes it anyway)
---c3) assuming EITHER of the above makes option c) a lot less likely. HE ASSUMED BOTH.

d) Dram-any-other-role does not fit, so I'm graying this out.

My money is that he's an SK, if there is one. I notice that he makes NO speculation about whether there is an SK or not, whether Fenrir Greyback might be SK or Mafia, and to tell you guys the truth, that is one of the biggest things that makes me think he's scum. A townie would have been like "Well... lets think what happened last night? wanna go over the possibilities?", BUT he's done none of that.

In fact, this is the only post he's offered up with any kind of speculation. To be fair I'm posting it here.

@ dram: You said that already. And what I am saying is, if you really posted that before reading my post, you:

a) assumed that one kill wasn't enough (which a townie would have no way of knowing right off the bat)
b) assumed the kill wasn't a Death Eater kill, according to flavor (which a townie probably wouldn't know, since there ARE curses like Sectumsempra)
c) made the jump straight to doc, without even any conjecture on whether there was a third-party or not (SK or otherwise)

a) Because mafias don't kill now? Never heard that BS
b) Sectumsempra is a clean slash, nothing to do with the kill's flavour. There is NO spell in the whole HP cannon that fits afaik =_=
c) Kmd summed up pretty well the logical sources for the kill. It COULD have been a roleblocker too blocking the kill. Do you feel happy now?

And also to be fair, I'll destroy it right here as well.

a) but still you assume that there's mafia AND an SK. A townie would have no way of knowing that. In fact, many townies (myself included) might automatically start wifoming it up that the traitor (counting as the 4th mafia in a 16-player game) would have been enough reason to exclude an SK from the setup, unless town was equally-powered. (and this is still more reason I think he's an SK if there is one)

b) Ok maybe I'm a little rusty on exactly how Sectumsempra works but I haven't read the 6th book for a long time and there's nothing in the movie that makes me think that it couldn't match the kill flavor. But after thinking over it... yea its not really a killing curse, just an injuring one, so I guess dram is right on this one.

c) No, I do not feel happy. roleblocker is classically a scum role, not a town role. imo it's either doc or nothing that could stop a mafia kill.

soooo... yea.


And since dram knows that the ONLY thing that would save him from a lynch would be claiming doc, I guarantee that's what he'll claim if he's run up. And as I stated above and in my other posts, it seems pretty clear to me that he's one of the two, scum or doc, and I tend to think he's scum rather than doc.


Love,
ReaperCharlie

[ReaperCharlie]

I just don't see that as a slip.

read options a), b), and c) above and tell me you don't think that's a slip again. seriously.. I'm starting to have doubts about you spyrex.

[ReaperCharlie]

?!?!?!?

0_o

Unvote; Vote: Espeonage?

[ReaperCharlie]

Maybe it's just me: I'm suspicious of SpyreX.

[ReaperCharlie]

... book 9? google only has 3 results 0_o
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22spellbinding+orb%22

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok sooo.....

I am slightly less suspicious of dramonic now, (he's still #2)
I am slightly more suspicious of spyrex now
I am glad farside is back

...I am still wondering why we don't have a pretty good wagon going on Esp or dramonic

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok sooo.....

Esp or dramonic

[ReaperCharlie]

oh yeah i forgot to say, nobody special is fine for a lynch too.

i think i am getting townie vibes from some players but i am not sure...

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok sooo.....

Esp or dramonic

That's how I see it, but Dram has more votes.

More votes does not a better wagon make.

and I have no thoughts on NS.

*muses* ...I see.

Go think some up then, and report back to me.

[ReaperCharlie]

oh yeah i forgot to say, nobody special is fine for a lynch too.

I thought what we had was ....

special.

...I THOUGHT WHAT WE HAD WAS

SPECIAL!!

[ReaperCharlie]

My mind is desperately trying to escape the WIFOMspiral™ that's happening because of Spyrex/dram and their !~!~!~ness (insert any word that helps you understand how I feel).

BUT ITS NOT WORKING.

Esp. is still a good lynch, don't get me wrong.

But as a POWERFUL WIZARD, I can definitely say that I've got a queasy feeling in my bellymeats toward those two.

[ReaperCharlie]

@RC + furcolow and other remaining indecisive yet important members of town: if you're wondering why Dram or Esp isn't dead yet, it's because of people like you guys who keep saying "why isn't he dead yet" and going around unvoting/switching votes to someone else.

Go look at the inspirational picture I posted if you need help deciding.

I have only voted for Dram or Esp today.

Your argument is invalid.

lololol

[ReaperCharlie]

My act is together, FG. Vote for Esp before you leave.

I feel very weird about today. Everyone's scumhunting, but there's a definite air of aloofness that I can't seem to pinpoint.

It's like scum is trying to decide which wagon to follow but simultaneously trying to decide how to orchestrate lynches on townies.

F*** this.

[ReaperCharlie]

Finally dramonic I'm still waiting on an answer to my question about assuming a doctor save first and foremost when seeing the flavor at the start of day 2. Why assume doctor save first?

*COUGH!*

*looks at dramonic*





...and sry, farside I don't know what hit me last night. I've said all I know about it.

[ReaperCharlie]

*rolls eyes at dram's answer*

FG, why the h311 do you keep calling me stuff like that, quit it. I am seriously down for a wagon on either Esp or dram. Someone flip a coin please.

Btw the answer to your question is: because dram is possibly a doc, and even if Esp is town he can still talk to us during daytime and such. I still think dram is likely scum but I seem to be beating a dead horse that not enough people believe in, so I'm on Esp now in high hopes of lynching scum.

*...runs off to look in Pensieve for more damning info on either of them,
so we can at least stop bickering and kill someone like civilized people...*

[ReaperCharlie]

I think I'll arrange it with the mod to let RC control my vote during my V/LA, if that's possible.

............ ^^^ I approve of this product or service.

[ReaperCharlie]

P.S. FG are you OoTP then? Let's make an alliance.

[ReaperCharlie]

P.P.S. @NS: No. You, vote Esp.

[ReaperCharlie]

welllll.... this is going nowhere.

@mod: vote count plz?

[ReaperCharlie]

@mod: vote count plz?

sry

[ReaperCharlie]

This needs to happen.

[ReaperCharlie]

lol I will second it

[ReaperCharlie]

Hi, I believe I am also voting for Espeonage

[ReaperCharlie]

dramlynch is going nowhere sadly.

vote Espeonage for president

[ReaperCharlie]

GAH! DELEGATE YOUR VOTE TO ME!!!! NOOOOOO

[ReaperCharlie]

You are offended that Spyrex is calling you a liar and yet you are voting mpr? Why?

And why not support an Esp lynch?

[ReaperCharlie]

o_0

[ReaperCharlie]

I am not scum motivated
I am really ron weasley
^someone would counterclaim this obviously

i was gonna run a large HP game with like 32 players, and there were still people that I couldn't add.

so there are plenty enough characters in HP that there could be good fake claims. whether or not they are mod-provided is anyone's guess.

furc if you're claiming that much though, you might as well tell us a little more about your flavor so we can make a better guess as to whether you're scum or not

[ReaperCharlie]

btw, Deadline is Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:00 am (site time)

[ReaperCharlie]

Sorry I haven't been posting here. With the lack of mod and the focus on dram & Esp, this game is really boring me.

Who do you think we should be focusing on?

[ReaperCharlie]

You just reduced what he said from a dastardly e-ninja hitman shushing us so that he can tell us secret information, into an internet nerd trying to use swear words to sound cool

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, is it just me, or is NS's avatar even more annoying than Spyrex's? lol

[ReaperCharlie]

bahahhahahahahhha ...is THAT what you call that funky-looking green and pink, 6-eyed tentaculous monstrosity? lmao

[ReaperCharlie]

Stfu, your purple offends my brain cells.

[ReaperCharlie]

...and I mean that will all possible kindness and love.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah me too it's one of the coolest on the site, I'm just giving you a hard time.

NS's though... gives me an aneurysm each time I happen to scroll past it. Ack.

[ReaperCharlie]

I expect you to play in my next Star Control game as punishment RC for even pretend hate on my Ur-Quan.

I still want this day to be done

0_o?! I'm there!

Also, I apologize for my slacking off in another game... I was busy trying to start my own mini-theme.
Writing so much flavor was a b**** and I totally didn't have time enough to contribute properly.



So yeah. Who's not voting Esp, and what are your reasons?

[ReaperCharlie]

Are you voting for Espeonage? If not, why not?

[ReaperCharlie]

I'm sorry I just can't get my real life issues sorted out and I feel I'm a hindrance to this game.

Mod: Please replace me. I'm sorry I really was looking forward to playing.

1. NOOOOOOOO

2. sry about your issues. anything i can help with? listening ear?

3. what mod?

[ReaperCharlie]

So you are refusing to vote for Espeonage because you think he'll flip town?



I'm not sure if that's a town move or a scum-trying-to-look-town move, simply for the 'i told you so' factor.

[ReaperCharlie]

yea but i tend to think that with such a deep character pool, that scum could easily have been given main characters for fake-claims. and like i said, i'm not convinced in the least because i have seen so many scum claim vt that it's not even funny. its an easy way out, as far as claiming goes, which is why i never trust it.

imagine italics for me. thx.

lmao

[ReaperCharlie]

FakeGod - 1 (MacavityLock)
Nobody Special - 1 (farside22)
furcolow - 1 (rajrhcpfreak)
MehPlusRawr - 1 (Espeonage)
farside22 - 1 (furcolow)

what in the

h311

are all these people doing?!

[ReaperCharlie]

hasdgfasdgfascowmodhomoo, can we get a prod on anyone who hasn't posted in the last 48 hours please?

spyrex
dramonic
fakegod
macavitylock
rajfreak
farside's slot
espeonage
ih
jmj3000
mehplusrawr

this game is so stagnant it's making me want to replace out as well.

[ReaperCharlie]

Nice timing there, beetlejuice.

[ReaperCharlie]

Why do you think furcolow should be lynched, raj?

And what do you think of Furcolow, Spyrex?

[ReaperCharlie]

yeah well what if esp is town? i didn't like his lynch at first but you called off the dogs on dramonic. i wouldnt go so far to say that either esp or dram is scum, but i still think dram is either scum or the doc, one or the other. either you (spy) are scumbuddies w/dram or you know something about him that we dont because i thought it was pretty clear that his slip was a slip. and i also dont like rajsdfhlkjsf cause... i don't like his hardcore buddying up to me earlier (i think his first d2 post). i also think kmd is town because of his good push on me d1. either that or 3rd party, if there is one. i also think farside is town because of her replacing-out post; i cant see scum posting like that. anyways, esp is almost lynched i think, so.... we just need some lurkers to come back and help us get some answers. i especially want to hear from the replacements that come in, cause we're pretty thin on opinions for the past week or so, and the deadline isn't gonna wait forever for us.

[ReaperCharlie]

*mind explodes at the previous post*

[ReaperCharlie]

Loaded question is loaded.

Here's one that's not loaded though: Why are you willing to support any lynch except the Espeonage one?

I admit, I'm getting pretty frustrated about that.

[ReaperCharlie]

Sad that I have to do this.

I just went back through the thread and counted.

Esp is unofficially at L-1.

Deadline is July 14 at 3am site time.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hooray! I can read Andrius like a book!

[ReaperCharlie]

ACTIVITY EXPLOSION!

Yes!

[ReaperCharlie]

More later, @ work atm.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok. Wow. Well that is simultaneously good and terrible. We just lost what may be our only night kill ability. Luckily at least there was one scum kill and we didn't get totally shafted, which could easily have happened. I protected myself last night, like I said I would.

and... HA! I was TOTALLY right about dramonic being scum (likely SK) and wondering what happened to one of the kills, because his didn't go through. dude I SO TOLD YOU GUYS. Whatever, that is in the past now.

What's disappointing is that I totally thought SpyreX's redirection of the dramonic wagon onto Espeonage was scum-motivated, and I thought that even more so after Espeonage flipped town. Is nobody else gonna say it? I'm not gonna lie, I totally thought SpyreX was scum. The way he was regarding dramonic in-thread and spent like 4 days trying to flip dramonic's wagon onto Esp totally made me think he was buddies with dramonic.


One thing I'm wondering while reading the thread since Night 2, is why nobody has said anything about the kill flavors. The SK (dram) died from being 'scratched and torn' (which is just like how ooba died the first night), but SpyreX died from 'no marks or any visible reason for his death'. We previously all assumed that the 'scratched and torn' kill flavor had to be Fenrir Greyback's, but apparently it's Lupin's.

Which makes me wonder: how did FakeGod, who wrote post #462, know that FG wasn't on the Death Eater Mafia team? I mean, yeah, it was only a guess, and yeah, it looked pretty speculative, but now that I read that post again, it makes me wonder if it was intentionally VI/speculative/offhand-ish. Also because 'wait, isn't fenrir a death eater?' was pretty much the first thing I thought of right after he said it, and when I looked it up on the wiki, it said he's a Death Eater.

I certainly hope you have some semblance of an explanation as to how you knew exactly what you knew, and (stranger still) how you conveniently speculated that the alignments were going against what the wiki said they were.

vote: FakeGod

I am tempted to start an alliance but I don't know if would be prudent to do so at this time. The only person I would trust is jmj's slot and his replacement hasn't started talking yet. though I am pretty confident in MagnaofIllusion overall having played with him before. he will be a powerful asset if I'm not mistaken.

also, I am very surprised upon reading Kmd's #466 again, which correctly guesses lupin as a pro-town vig with 'scratched and torn' as a kill flavor.

oh! and also, I am gonna go ahead and say that furcolow's #493 disturbs me. greatly. i really dont like the tone of that post and how he basically speculates about all possible situations, and then says 'oh what the h311 lets lynch him anyways'. he sounds like he's trying to look town and discuss all possible situations, but still laying a vote down and hoping for a lynch.

either way, something about that post (even more than a lot of his other ones, which is saying something) is rreeaaalllyyy bugging me in my stomach. especially now that we know espeonage, spyrex, and dramonic's alignments.

My vote's still on fakegod though. I want to know how he knew what he knew when he knew it. I could see myself being convinced to go with a furc lynch too. They may both be scum. I have never played a full game with either of them before so I don't really know how they play. I will need to go back and look for connections between FG and MMM on day 1.

[ReaperCharlie]

also, @ mod: could you please update the original post with the list of new players and who replaced for who? thanks

[ReaperCharlie]

@ Macavity:

Why FakeGod over Furcolow?

Because he's a VI and playing recklessly, and scum either don't play recklessly or make very obvious mistakes when they do. Furc has not made obv-scum mistakes, as far as I can tell.

FakeGod

played similarly, VI, in Go Play in Traffic. That's why I'm hesitant to have him go. He's acting just like he did there. I agree that he isn't much help, but he

doesn't feel scummy to me.

Quick question:

Why the change from

THIS

^^^

(Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:10 pm)

@ RC: 'No visible marks' means a spell, probably Avada Kedavara, the killing curse. I bet dramonic, if he sent a kill, hit you or someone who didn't die. Mafia probably hit SpyreX.

Yeah, I saw SpyreX as scummy, but he's town, so. AND LUPIN. 8D

Unvote, Vote: FakeGod

I can dig this.

to

THIS

^^^

(Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:20 pm), after only

TEN MINUTES?!

....


obvious scum is

way too

obvious?


....

Hey RC, can I apply into the alliance?

*whispers to Andrius*

__

Hint:

NO.

[ReaperCharlie]

1. You blatantly sheeped my case. Just because you did it for the ENTIRE day doesn't make it any less sheeping. And so, *grab*, I will take back any credit you think you deserve, because you don't. [/ego]
2. Answer the f^cking question, please.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ FakeGod:

Maybe I accidentally said FG referring to Fenrir Greyback and you thought I meant you. Understandable mistake, my bad.

The question is: Why did you automatically assume that

Fenrir Greyback

was not a Death Eater? It's easy to assume something like that in hindsight, but you did it right off the bat, before anyone flipped. This is something a townie could NOT have known, but you seemed to know it anyway. It certainly was a very good guess, if nothing else... but it's making me

I'm still wondering if you truly are a VI, or you're an alt or player from another site who is just putting on an act.

[ReaperCharlie]

NK Analysis:

N1:
Dram kills Ooba (flavor)
SpyreX kills ???
Death Eaters attack RC (Town Vig wouldn't Vig Dumbledore)

N2:
SpyreX kills Dram
Death Eaters kill SpyreX
Dram kills ???

SpyreX killed ooba and dramonic was blocked/target was protected, nitwit. Pay attention.

[ReaperCharlie]

If you're going to go to the trouble of making a NK analysis post, the least you could do is get it right.

^_^

[ReaperCharlie]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I read in the night 2 flips was that Fenrir Greyback was killed by 'scratching and tearing'. I doubt he committed suicide, so... yeah.

Unless they had the same exact kill flavor (which I will admit isn't too far a stretch, as they are both werewolves), this indicates that SpyreX killed ooba night 1. And if nothing else, it definitely explains how dramonic knew that 'the doc got lucky'.

[ReaperCharlie]

Dram is not super scum and I seriously don't get the twirling mustaches busted scum vibe from it because its pretty clear something weird happened last night.

Tinfoil theory two: Something REALLY strange happened last night and ooba wasn't even the target of it. We are, more likely than not, missing an actual Death Eater kill (flavor speculation the only way it makes sense for ooba to be a DE-kill is if they have individualized kill flavor and they sent Fenrir to do it).

Out of SpyreX's iso 0, I've quoted what's relevant to our discussion so nobody has an excuse to be lazy and not look it up. One thing he says twice is that 'it's pretty clear something weird happened last night', and then it's possible that 'something REALLY strange happened last night'. He doesn't exactly go into what that might BE, which is disappointing... but (knowing about SpyreX being vig, and assuming werewolf kill flavors were the same), dramonic might have killed ooba and SpyreX might have killed (attempted to kill) ??? but SpyreX saw what he thought was his own kill flavor applied to someone else, and been like 'wtf? was I redirected?'.... which would make sense of him to think that. and it would also make sense that he assumed we were missing a Death Eater kill. Which means (yes!) that a doc got lucky and protected correctly.

But what I think he was missing was that he thought that dramonic had come to the same conclusion in the same way as him, and it therefore made sense somehow... so he did this in iso #2:

Vote: Esp

I feel like I'm missing something important, but not enough to dissuade this fo now

buuuuuuut my guess is that he realized after Esp flipped town that dramonic WAS scum for realizing that (and yes, he was missing something important. the important thing was that only a killing role who'd realized their target didn't die could know a doc had protected it, other than a doc or interestingly enough, a watcher) after which he chose to vig kill dramonic. bravo.

and it's anyone's guess what happened to dramonic's kill last night. maybe he was blocked because the scum either thought he was doc or SK (they'd know he wasn't death eater scum), which would also make sense.

Anyways, I hate to sheep spyrex NOW, because yesterday I thought his deflection of the dramonic wagon onto Esp was preeettty scummy. but yeah. here's who he thought was scum so here is where would begin looking for lynch candidates:

On the short list:
Esp, Raj, Fur, MPR, IH

And yeah out of these, one's dead and one's been replaced, so what's left is: raj, fur, mpr, and andrius.

I agree that furcolow seems really scummy but I also am privy to the knowledge that playing like that (all over the place, accusing everyone, stirring sh*t up) is his play style. I definitely agree with Andrius. I suppose I could see him trying to bus furc early on today with an early vote, but I admit that I am baffled by his quick hop to FakeGod. It's like he's too antsy with his vote on a scumbuddy and wants to hop to the earliest mislynch possible... don't know for sure if I am flattered or disgusted? Either way, it makes the FakeGod wagon feel dirty/scummy to me so I'm gonna...

Unvote

But also, then again, i'm wondering if it's all just an act, and Andrius is just trying to buddy up to me and butter me up with the whole 'ooohhh yea reaper's making an alliance!' thing, which i so far haven't really stated an intention of doing. he is trying too hard to fit in and i dont like it.

Vote: Andrius

---

But basically my point for the whole 'kill flavor being or not being the same' argument is: you HAVE to assume that their kill flavors were the same in order to speculate what Andrius speculated about who killed who on night 1. I was the one who made a logical conclusion based on what we KNOW, and he made that NK analysis post based on what he ASSUMES. Which is all fine and dandy except for the fact that Harry's Patronus IS actually named Prongs (after his father) in this game. And not only can he be killed, but he can talk after he's dead, even though he shouldn't be able to talk or be killed at all! So... I think it's safe to say we should be sticking to what we know instead of just assuming things that may or may not be true.

However, I don't think it matters in the long run who killed ooba on Night 1. They both had incentive to kill him (were of different faction), and it really doesn't matter which it was, because he's dead and they're both dead and that's exactly 2/3 awesome-sauce!

[ReaperCharlie]

And you usually make an alliance in the games we're in together. I find it odd you aren't making one yet, so I asked. It seems whenever I ask to be included I'm not, and when I don't I'm included anyway.

Funny pattern, that, isn't it?

[/sarcasm]

LYNCH FURCOLOW LYNCH FURCOLOW LYNCH FURCOLOW LYNCH FURCOLOW LYNCH FURCOLOW LYNCH FURCOLOW LYNCH FURCOLOW.
If not him then rajrhcpfreak.

I, too, would much rather lynch furc than raj, or at least would be much more easily persuaded. I'm not sure we should lynch raj at all actually, but I don't want to go into why until later. Either way, my vote's still on you. And speaking of you, I don't recall ever getting a satisfactory answer to my question in post 929. Power up those elucidatory engines and fire away!

Any day now.

[ReaperCharlie]

We can not lynch rajrchpfreak too, I'm just saying that it goes Furc > raj > MPR > Andy. [/opinion]

So... where is FakeGod on this list?

I did answer that Q, if you mean the "Quick question".

I never said I was against a FakeGod lynch. I just prefer Furcolow over FakeGod.

LYNCH FURCOLOW. We can talk about why raj/me is town at a later date.

No, I think I wanna talk about you right now. You seem pretty antsy to push a wagon on furcolow, and while I agree he is scummy, he's at least playing somewhat to his town meta. You on the other hand are not.

What I'm asking is: Why would you immediately sheep me onto FakeGod's wagon, even when A) you said that you don't think FakeGod is that scummy, and B) he's not on your list above? Though it's a good place to start, you seem to be backtracking yet AGAIN and want to just tunnel on those individuals.



Ladies and gents, my scumdar is beeping incessantly.

--

[ReaperCharlie]

I am NOT down for a raj lynch. Can't post more, at work.

[ReaperCharlie]

I will withhold my vote till RC gets here.

Hi, you said my name, what did you need?

[ReaperCharlie]

Raj is a bad lynch, I am

pretty dam#

sure. I did not feel this way day 1, until I saw something later on. I'd rather not go into it, hopefully for obvious reasons.

And I don't recall being a big supporter of the furc wagon... I recall voting YOU and ANDRIUS, if I'm not mistaken.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't actually think he's that great of a lynch... He's playing his town meta for sure, I tell you.

Andrius is the scum.

Did nobody see his obvious backtracking/double standard that I pointed out earlier?

[ReaperCharlie]

So... you support a furcolow lynch over obvscum?! I don't get it. Even if furcolow DOESN'T flip town, its still not a good idea to lynch him when there's other players out here acting like Andy. Did you see how easy he jumped on your lynch as soon as he replaced IH? the writing is on the wall

[ReaperCharlie]

I wash my hands of it.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ RC:

Do you want me to claim?

um. why are you so eager to claim.

[ReaperCharlie]

Andrius needs to claim. Then I might be interested in a furc lynch unless some people wanna take a shiny new rajedujfrikfdwagon for a spin.

why are YOU so eager for a claim?

[ReaperCharlie]

1. if you're trying to protect your partner, then why the h311 are you claiming mason?

2. that sounds exactly like a scum gambit, ... its easy to pull off a mason claim as long as you dont reveal roles or powers moron.

3. my scumdar is exploding.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't know much about his scum meta Magna. But I've seen him play town a few times before and this is no different.

[ReaperCharlie]

Masons, cops, vigs, docs

Someone list them in importance, starting with the most important.

No explanations need to be given.

and.. actually put Jacks on the list too

It's different than that. There is no point value. Like in chess, people argue about which is more important, bishops or knights. They are both very important in their own ways, and both have a great amount of power if used properly. But both are clearly less powerful than rooks or queens. And in Mafia it's even more different. Obviously a JOAT is more diverse than either a cop or a doc, but is it worth more? Not necessarily. What if it'd be more useful to protect someone twice than to protect one night and investigate another? All this to say, there really is no way of measuring.

With that said: Who cares? It's basically a town PR, and he's effectively outed himself at L-4, which makes me think more of jumpy scum than an actual mason.

[ReaperCharlie]

I doubt Furc is town.

But since I'm confirmed town

, I'll just run around and support whatever wagon, just because. /joking. I shall be smart. Mhmm.

LOL

you are no more confirmed town than Mr. Ron Weasley, who you doubt is town. And you haven't even given us a name, so STFU until you put your money where your mouth is. And yes, in case anyone is wondering, a mason claim is absolutely 100% worthless without a partner claim as well. And it's especially worthless in theme games without even a name.

"Uh... hey, I'm a mason guys!"

(YES! now I can go parading around calling myself confirmed town! score!)

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah, that may be.

But I make sense.

And that is the difference between us.

[ReaperCharlie]

....it angers you that I make sense? 0_o
Ok, listen then. Here's why I don't believe you right up front, and if you don't understand this, think again:

A) You haven't nameclaimed (the only roles I could see as masons really are Filch and Mrs. Norris, or Fred and George Weasley. And I can't think why either of those would have a separate yet ALSO linked role, which had the wincon of killing your mason buddy).

B) Nobody has also-claimed with you, which vaporizes the credibility of your claim in zero seconds flat.

C) I don't have a town read on you.

[ReaperCharlie]

Well, those are easily the most obvious choices for masons, and if I were to add that role, that's probably who I'd pick to be them. does anyone disagree with me? (Actually, thinking back, I do believe it was Filch and Mrs. Norris as masons in the 2004 game, anyone care to look it up for me?)

Put yourself in our shoes for a sec: We don't know what you know, and obviously you aren't obvtown to us, especially if we have a scum read on you. A dude claims mason. No flavor, nothing. Just that he's a mason. Nobody else claims with him...

...

...

What's your conclusion?

Exactly.


But honestly though, assuming for a moment that you ARE actually a mason: if you are TRYING to narrow it down for the scum who your partner is (if he's so all-important) then you are seriously doing a bang-up job. In other words: Just stop blabbing out secrets now, and I will drop it. Why the h311 do you want to lynch an un-counter-claimed Ron Weasley though? He seems like a bit of a main character to be a scum fake claim. And his claim makes sense.

---

Kmd, what exactly besides vote count analysis makes you think raj is scum? You seem to be pushing his lynch quite hard in your posts 985, 1004, and 1024. Do you have any other reason besides his placement on lynches? Because it's been my experience (as in Werewolf Wisborg Asylum) that he acts terribly scummy even as town. Maybe if you ISO'd him you'd see the same thing(s) I did.

---

but when you think about it why would scum claim so early when they could have ridden the fur/raj wagon til the end of the day?

THIS is what is throwing me for a loop. Not about raj... about Andrius.

But then I think I already wondered this. Why claim when unnecessary? Just for the WIFOM it?

It doesn't make sense either as town OR as scum.

[ReaperCharlie]

Still think we should lynch raj/Furc.

What do you have on raj?

What do you have on furc?

[ReaperCharlie]

No I meant it makes sense that he'd be a VT. Ron is helpless, the only time he was (passive) aggressive or scary was in Goblet of Fire when he and Harry got all pissed at each other. So it makes sense that he'd have no powers.

And as for the talking after dead thing, I have no idea. It doesn't make sense for Dementors to be pro-town (maybe in a backhanded way), it doesn't make sense that Harry's patronus is named Prongs (maybe if you figure he named it that because he missed his dad so much?), so I mean... why not?

All I know is, I don't especially think he's scum, and I'm definitely not hammering somebody I have a town read on at this point. Not to mention he seems to agree with me about Andrius being questionable at best and scum at worst.

[ReaperCharlie]

a) are you retarded? he sounds random but he's not utterly stupid.
b) are you RETARDED? the 'real' Ron would definitely counter-claim.
c) *facepalm* http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Fakeclaim

How am I getting a town read? Gut + meta. Plus a) and b) above.

[ReaperCharlie]

I am ashamed.

[ReaperCharlie]

Don't lynch me, as if you do, I can't use my treestump powers

That wasn't the case with Espeonage...

[ReaperCharlie]

What is the flavor reason for you not being able to dead-talk if you are lynched?

[ReaperCharlie]

...

[ReaperCharlie]

Words cannot express the amount of facepalm. But...

Unvote; Vote: FakeGod

[ReaperCharlie]

This is stupid. Everyone plz stop claiming kthx.

Andrius I thought your buddy supposed to stay hidden and not die and stuff.

Way to try to look townie...

Furc needs to treestunp or be lynched.

What is the flavor reason for you not being able to dead-talk if you are lynched?

so.......are you two in a cult together?

No.

I still don't see why RC is so dead set against Furc lynch.

I'm not. I just don't think it's a good lynch AT ALL, because we've already lynched 2 townies in a row, and I have a feeling that he'll flip town as well if lynched. That means we have to hit scum today or we'll be dangerously close to MyLo, and I don't trust guys like Andrius, you, MPR, etc in MyLo.

RC you do realize that you could've just hammered Furc a lonnnnnng time ago and avoided this whole Andrius/MPR Mason garbage?

Yeah, cause I totally 'took too long to hammer' and they had no choice but to claim because things were taking too long and they were sick of sitting around with their thumbs up their @$$es. LOL

If Andrius or MPR wanted furc dead they could have just hammered instead of claiming, lmao. You're making it sound like it's my fault they claimed.

[ReaperCharlie]

Andrius isn't scum. Furc probably isn't scum. raj might be scum. FakeGod is likely scum. C'mon people, join me in striking down the blasphemy of this FakeGod!

Hmmmm... ok. Guns a'blazin, eh?

Still think we should lynch raj/Furc.

What do you have on raj?

What do you have on furc?

Also still waiting for an answer to this.

and yes, Andrius + MPR is incredibly scummy.

sigh

If you are really

really

sure, (and I feel kinda bad since Sens wasn't there to give you my vote on day 3... ), then pick one (Andy or MPR), and I'll support you I guess...

Unvote

I'm not voting for either of them. I thought it was clear that I am willing to go with that they are town for now. I'm voting for

you.

And your lack of conviction on the furcolow lynch and wanting to donate your vote to me (even though you're still here) rings ever scummier.

Now that we have a few confirmed town, I am beginning to sell myself on the idea of an alliance.

rejoice!

[ReaperCharlie]

To be clear: If the deadline begins to loom, I will support a lynch, even if I don't necessarily feel it's a great one.

And I agree, furc, you should fullllll claim, it'd help ease my mind. There's still questions you haven't answered, i.e.:

What is the flavor reason for you not being able to dead-talk if you are lynched?

Sooooo... go right ahead.

[ReaperCharlie]

I am getting the unsettling suspicion that furcolow is just lurking, trying to lay low either until he's hammered, or until this thing dies down and the wagon flips onto someone else.

Unvote: FakeGod

, so the latter doesn't happen, at least until furc claims.

[ReaperCharlie]

See, this is why FakeGod needs a lynching.

And I agree with you. But I want a claim from furc first so I don't have that gnawing suspicion in the back of my mind that 'maybe he IS scum...' and wish later that he'd full claimed.

[ReaperCharlie]

One thing to say: I f#^@ing *told* you guys.

And I am really not liking Kmd's eagerness to lynch raj. I have a town read on raj as well and Kmd though I thought he was town on Day 1, has been getting scummier and scummier on Days 2 and 3.

[ReaperCharlie]

Quick question: who is open to lynching Kmd? I am open to either FakeGod or Kmd today, but more people seem to want to lynch FakeGod at the moment so my vote is staying nice and comfy on FakeGod, where it is most useful. Taking into account what furcolow said right before he spattergroited himself, wagons on Kmd and FakeGod are looking even more juicy.

And did anyone notice how they've been buddying up to each other so hardcore?

Wagon ho!

[ReaperCharlie]

The time is ripe for an Alliance.

Alliance:

ReaperCharlie
MagnaofIllusion
MacavityLock
Andrius
MehPlusRawr

Alliance Hit List:

FakeGod
Kmd4390
manho