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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:22 pm

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Lynch
who
please?

So far, the only 'scumtell' that you seem to be concentrating on is lack of content. This strikes me as odd, because it doesn't seem that you've made a sincere effort to hunt any scum, you just want to crucify people for not posting much. Which in my experience is exactly what scum do, to throw suspicion elsewhere and make themselves look better in the public eye.

I've got my eye on you.


Also, why did you call out MPR, fuzzy, and me for lack of content, but not FakeGod, Espeonage, jmj3000, rajhcprfreak, or seraphim?
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:38 pm

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ReaperCharlie wrote:Lynch
who
please?
You, of course.
ReaperCharlie wrote:So far, the only 'scumtell' that you seem to be concentrating on is lack of content.
I'm sorry, that is incorrect. I called out townie hunting, IIOA, and a useless and distracting joke vote. Still, there are definite active lurking issues in the game thus far, which I rather like as a Day 1 tell.
ReaperCharlie wrote:This strikes me as odd, because it doesn't seem that you've made a sincere effort to hunt any scum, you just want to crucify people for not posting much. Which in my experience is exactly what scum do, to throw suspicion elsewhere and make themselves look better in the public eye.
Oh, fun, we have a hypocrite. I wasn't the one who counted posts. No, that was you. What I'm interested in is
content
, the value of posts.

Also, "sincere effort to hunt any scum"? I've been in the game for 36 hours. Give me some time to get my feet wet.
ReaperCharlie wrote:Also, why did you call out MPR, fuzzy, and me for lack of content, but not FakeGod, Espeonage, jmj3000, rajhcprfreak, or seraphim?
Because they're all my scum-buddies. OH CRAP, YOU CAUGHT ME! But seriously folks, it's because I don't have as much of a problem with them yet. Except for Esp, who I called out for other reasons.
Yes, my fake claim is Innocent Aligned with the Town win condition as per the mod's first post.
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:28 am

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MacavityLock wrote:
ReaperCharlie wrote:So far, the only 'scumtell' that you seem to be concentrating on is lack of content.
I'm sorry, that is incorrect. I called out townie hunting, IIOA, and a useless and distracting joke vote. Still, there are definite active lurking issues in the game thus far, which I rather like as a Day 1 tell.
It gets old, especially when everyone else has already brought it up. I don't see any scumhunting you've done on your own.

And wtf do you mean 'townie hunting'? Who would townie hunt as scum? Unless there are multiple factions (which I'm disinclined to believe, in a game this size), wouldn't the scum already KNOW who the townies were? This makes no sense as a scumtell.

btw, useless and distracting joke vote: oooh that's a definite scumtell. you're on to something there ;)
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ReaperCharlie wrote:This strikes me as odd, because it doesn't seem that you've made a sincere effort to hunt any scum, you just want to crucify people for not posting much. Which in my experience is exactly what scum do, to throw suspicion elsewhere and make themselves look better in the public eye.
Oh, fun, we have a hypocrite. I wasn't the one who counted posts. No, that was you. What I'm interested in is
content
, the value of posts.
Yes, which yours have had surprisingly little of, even given your short time in the thread.
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ReaperCharlie wrote:Also, why did you call out MPR, fuzzy, and me for lack of content, but not FakeGod, Espeonage, jmj3000, rajhcprfreak, or seraphim?
Because they're all my scum-buddies. OH CRAP, YOU CAUGHT ME! But seriously folks, it's because I don't have as much of a problem with them yet. Except for Esp, who I called out for other reasons.
I certainly hope you're not serious about joking being bad, when you're doing it like that. But I'm not the one being anal, so.
MacavityLock wrote:Also, "sincere effort to hunt any scum"? I've been in the game for 36 hours. Give me some time to get my feet wet.
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:47 am

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ReaperCharlie wrote:And wtf do you mean 'townie hunting'? Who would townie hunt as scum? Unless there are multiple factions (which I'm disinclined to believe, in a game this size), wouldn't the scum already KNOW who the townies were? This makes no sense as a scumtell.
Esp is clearing people left and right. This is what I mean by townie hunting, and it makes little sense for a townie to be doing it this early.
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MacavityLock wrote:
ReaperCharlie wrote:This strikes me as odd, because it doesn't seem that you've made a sincere effort to hunt any scum, you just want to crucify people for not posting much. Which in my experience is exactly what scum do, to throw suspicion elsewhere and make themselves look better in the public eye.
Oh, fun, we have a hypocrite. I wasn't the one who counted posts. No, that was you. What I'm interested in is
content
, the value of posts.
Yes, which yours have had surprisingly little of, even given your short time in the thread.
This is not a rebuttal to my point, you're just trying to turn the attack on me. Sorry scum, not gonna work.
ReaperCharlie wrote:I certainly hope you're not serious about joking being bad, when you're doing it like that. But I'm not the one being anal, so.
Not all jokes are created equal.
Yes, my fake claim is Innocent Aligned with the Town win condition as per the mod's first post.
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:38 am

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I am here. Life got crazybusy yesterday; I will be caught up by this evening. (Also, I had no idea you weren't allowed to make two posts in a row with the exact same text. Hmmm.)
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:07 am

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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:18 pm

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Way to not respond to any questions I asked you...
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:52 pm

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@MLock: if you were indeed miller, why would you mention your claim more than once? Even asking people to comment on it?
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:00 pm

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I'm here. Was away now back. Ok to the game.

Why would you claim miller straight off and not wait to see if you even get investigated. In all honesty the main incentives I can see for that is that you are non godfather scum trying to get yourself cleared if you get investigated or a third party role that doesn't want the scum to kill you because you can easily be set up.
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:12 pm

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^Exactly

@Esp: you beat me to what I was leading up to. :/
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:21 pm

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Just so you two know (@Espy and FG) there was a discussion way back when, for when it's best to claim a miller role. Most agreed if you are town to claim first thing because if your investigated by a cop and then claim miller you are bound to look like scum.
That doesn't stop scum for fake claiming. Which is why I base miller claims off of how someone plays and not the claim it's self.
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:56 pm

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^Exactly
ReaperCharlie wrote:Way to not respond to any questions I asked you...
What questions did I miss? I answered what I meant by townie hunting. The only other question I saw was about why I didn't call out some other people. I don't give out town or null tells, especially this early in the game.

Also, way to not respond to the points I brought against you.
FakeGod wrote:@MLock: if you were indeed miller, why would you mention your claim more than once? Even asking people to comment on it?
Because usually it gets a comment or two when someone claims Miller straight away. I figured there would be even more to comment on because I'm a replacement and my predecessor failed to do so. I was also wondering if people just plain missed it.
Yes, my fake claim is Innocent Aligned with the Town win condition as per the mod's first post.
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:58 pm

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Hey guys, this game is totally my number one priority tomorrow. I will definitely post then but now, I have to go. I will totally outline the case on Sudo and stuff.
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:11 pm

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ReaperCharlie wrote:-I would like to know what knowledge NS thought MMM had that nobody else had (post 22). Care to elucidate?
He seemed to think it's a bastard game. I've pretty much dropped this point; I think it's null.
ReaperCharlie wrote:-Sudo's 45 seems to be an attempt to buddy with NS. Whether it's town buddying to (?) or scum buddying to town, I don't know.
I don't see that as buddying (but then I usually don't see buddying).
ReaperCharlie wrote:-NS 138: your reply to kmd is not acceptable. i still want an explanation as I think i said earlier in this post.
What? I typed
four paragraphs
-- what, specifically, is wrong with the answer?
ReaperCharlie wrote: also funny/strange is that your last paragraph also applies to me and my playstyle.
Stop buddying me. ;)

Also, ITT RC admits to having a tiny wand.
ReaperCharlie wrote:-IH, a whopping 3 posts, seemed to skip the RVS entirely. i have a good-ish feeling, regardless of post count.
Obvbuddying is obv. Stop it.
ReaperCharlie wrote:-Nobody Special, 14 posts, 40% content. never did share with the class what he gained from his own reactionary 'gambits'...
Bite me. I've explained this... three times now? No, reading myself in iso, FIVE TIMES. Get. Over. It.
ReaperCharlie wrote:-ReaperCharlie, 18 posts, 70% rvs fluff. yummy, but not very filling. much like cotton candy. painted a target on his back with kmd omgus.
You obviously missed the memo that says it's bad form to comment on yourself.
ReaperCharlie wrote:Unless there are multiple factions (which I'm disinclined to believe, in a game this size),
I think that 16 players is enough on the borderline that there
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be two factions; I don't think dismissing "more than one faction" out of hand is a good idea. Yet.
FakeGod wrote:@MLock: if you were indeed miller, why would you mention your claim more than once? Even asking people to comment on it?
Obvious scum is obvious.
FakeGod wrote:^Exactly

@Esp: you beat me to what I was leading up to. :/
And you both beat me.

Also, in some seetups, Millers do not know they are Millers (primarily[?] Open Games) -- so I'm
never
hardly ever impressed with a Miller claim.
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:45 pm

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MacavityLock wrote:
ReaperCharlie wrote:Way to not respond to any questions I asked you...
What questions did I miss?
My comment was directed at Sudo 205. Sorry for the mix-up, shoulda quoted.

What points of yours haven't I answered to your satisfaction?

And I must say I am not impressed with a miller claim either.



@ Seraphim. We await your return with... anticipation. Prove me wrong.



@NS. Like I said, I am disinclined to believe there are 2 factions. Flavorly, what could they even be? Death Eaters/Voldemort, and.... Order of the Phoenix are the good guys. Maybe... Centaurs or Giants or something? I don't know... ...Inferi?

Just ideas. But I honestly don't think there's more than one faction. Disagree if you like. I've been wrong about this kind of thing before.

Yeah, I guess I missed that memo. Was it part of Harry Potter Mafia 101A? Btw, I think you missed the memo that I'm in Perpetual Joking Mode. :lol:

You said in 138:
Nobody Special wrote:I got a rather low-key, non-reaction from IH. I would think that bad-scum would freak just a little at that accusation; therefore the reaction serves (in my mind) to push IH a little towards town.

I'm neither happy nor unhappy with the reaction itself; I'm just happy that I got one. (I detest being ignored.)
Why would scum freak about being called opportunistic?

What kind of reaction were you looking for? An omgus vote? Good scum players not only DON'T react to vote pressure, they find ways to use that to their advantage. Do you think IH could possibly be doing that? He HAS been around MS since 2006, don't forget. We've only been around a few months.

And though I agree with you that he seems slightly town, how is that equal in your book to buddying with him? 0_o

@ Sudo buddying with you: that smells of subliminal early-game buddying. It's fairly common for experienced players (as scum) to do that to newbtown, in my experience. It's easily deniable if you're called out on it, but the result is undeniable in that the newbie feels appreciated. It was worth noting.


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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:11 pm

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ReaperCharlie wrote:You said in 138:
Nobody Special wrote:I got a rather low-key, non-reaction from IH. I would think that bad-scum would freak just a little at that accusation; therefore the reaction serves (in my mind) to push IH a little towards town.

I'm neither happy nor unhappy with the reaction itself; I'm just happy that I got one. (I detest being ignored.)
Why would scum freak about being called opportunistic?
I don't know *why* scum would freak at being accused of... well, anything, but I've seen it happen.
ReaperCharlie wrote:What kind of reaction were you looking for? An omgus vote? Good scum players not only DON'T react to vote pressure, they find ways to use that to their advantage. Do you think IH could possibly be doing that? He HAS been around MS since 2006, don't forget. We've only been around a few months.
I was looking for a reaction. Not a chocolate reaction, not a vanilla reaction, not a sabre-toothed freaking
tiger
reaction. I'll say this slowly: I. Was. Looking. For. A. Reaction. I. Got. One. (I also don't pay a whole lot of attention to join dates.)
ReaperCharlie wrote:And though I agree with you that he seems slightly town, how is that equal in your book to buddying with him? 0_o
I think you're conflating IH and Sudo. If not, I have no idea what this even means.
ReaperCharlie wrote:@ Sudo buddying with you: that smells of subliminal early-game buddying. It's fairly common for experienced players (as scum) to do that to newbtown, in my experience. It's easily deniable if you're called out on it, but the result is undeniable in that the newbie feels appreciated. It was worth noting.
Your mind is a fascinating place.

ReaperCharlie wrote:P.S. I did
not
admit to having a tiny wand. In fact, quite the opposite. You're foolin' yourself, mate.
ReaperCharlie wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:Reap, that is a massive
erection
misrep of what I said. I said that you weren't adding anything to the game at first, then once you attempted to appear to be posting content, it was pretty much lame one-liners, non-opinions, or stating the obvious. Not really content. Just trying to look good.
thanks, but its just a pattern on the pants. i'm gonna go take them back... to the ... pants... store...
I rest my case.
....what?



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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:25 pm

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Nobody Special wrote:
FakeGod wrote:@MLock: if you were indeed miller, why would you mention your claim more than once? Even asking people to comment on it?
Obvious scum is obvious.
Which one, me or FG?
Nobody Special wrote:Also, in some seetups, Millers do not know they are Millers (primarily[?] Open Games) -- so I'm
never
hardly ever impressed with a Miller claim.
ReaperCharlie wrote:And I must say I am not impressed with a miller claim either.
I don't want you to be impressed. I want cops to not waste an investigation on me, and I want vigs to shoot me in the face.
Yes, my fake claim is Innocent Aligned with the Town win condition as per the mod's first post.
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:30 pm

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MacavityLock wrote:I want vigs to shoot me in the face.
Um... why? Wouldn't we just be wasting a shot on you that could be used for scum?? That's not pro-town at all.

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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:42 pm

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ReaperCharlie wrote:
MacavityLock wrote:I want vigs to shoot me in the face.
Um... why? Wouldn't we just be wasting a shot on you that could be used for scum?? That's not pro-town at all.

/looks sideways at ML
Because I shouldn't be around to confuse or complicate things in late/endgame, and it's better for me to go by vig than by wasting a lynch.
Yes, my fake claim is Innocent Aligned with the Town win condition as per the mod's first post.
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:11 pm

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.... Never have I seen anyone (town or otherwise) eager to be vigged to 'save a lynch'.

Either you're stupid town (miller claim notwithstanding), or you're scum who has some sort of night immunity.
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:13 pm

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Find other games with millers please.
Yes, my fake claim is Innocent Aligned with the Town win condition as per the mod's first post.
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:18 am

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MacavityLock wrote:This here is a Miller claim. What up!
Seriously?

:?
MacavityLock wrote:Thus far, the following people are scummy:
Reaper - Only content is in his iso 12, and a lot of it is IIOA. I hate isos 14 and 16, as we're well past RVs.
Esp - I see a little more townie-hunting than scum-hunting.
MPR - No content
fuzzy - Up until iso 8, there was no interest in playing mafia.

I feel like a
Vote: Reaper
Looks more like an activity check than a scumlist with the exception of Esp, which you list a point I'm not seeing here.
Sudo wrote:It's a team game, at it's heart. There's no need for me to pile onto RC, so long as it is getting done. And if my intention was truly to completely ignore him, then at least we can agree I'm making a poor job of it.
Huh?

The scumminess meter is......

going off the........

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charts.
Raj I mashed buttons but it stretched the page so I fixed it on preview wrote:unvote
i guess i have to since MMM is gone. i need to think over my next vote.
So...um...MMM was scum but his replacement isn't or...um...yeah.
Ooba wrote: 136 - Kmd's reads - he's placed MMM,Espeonage in the town list. Can you list your reasons as to why you did so?
MMM's so called "Gambit" was clearly something that he used to attempt to get reactions. Scum have no need to get reactions, so faking it is hard to do. His attempts don't look fake, so I list him as town.

Espeon's posts just look town to me.
Farside wrote:I could kiss you right now ooba. I actually have kmd on my scum list which is what I'm not voting for RC right now. I didnt' like his post it's just so blah for him and doesnt' give the details and forthought I expect from him. It's the main reason I'm sticking with voting Sudo right now over RC.
I thought you knew me better than this. My reads tend to mostly come from either gut or an unorthodox tell that often gets discounted as "weak" even though my tells tend to be very accurate. I have one of those tells on MMM and a gut read on Espeon.

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Thought I could finish reading up, but in a hurry now. Leaving the house in 15 minutes, so if I attempt to finish this, I'll end up posting crap that makes no sense. So I'll wait til I get back.

Note to self: You left off just before Reap's big post.
Note back: Thanks.
Note: No problem.
Note: =)
Note: So what's up?
Note: Not much. Just gotta show my brother how to get to a place that is right in the town where everything else we do is and it's a half an hour away.
Note: That sucks.
Note: Yeah, and I already showed him how to get there once.
Note: Dam. Well shouldn't you get going?
Note: Yeah probably.
Note: k, ttyl.
Note: Yup.
Note has logged off

Note: *Sigh*
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:34 am

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Well. I've got some time online in town apparently. Let's see if the site wants to not lag long enough for me to finish this post.

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On Reap's posts:
-If you are town, I agree that a scum or two is likely on your wagon.
-Your point on UK mod-voting is null. She does it in every game she plays.
-About RVS, I STRONGLY dislike a stage where everyone is doing nothing but joking and basically ignoring anything serious in the game.
--------HOWEVER, it is a game and should be fun, so jokes throughout the entire game are perfectly fine as long as it doesn't distract from the game.
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Reap wrote:which is why I didn't complain about a lack of content in my only notable post thus far, i was just trying to get MYSELF out of RVS and begin to scumhunt a bit before my weekend vaca... looks like that backfired on me once I did the omgus (literally) vote. but then, people will always misread.
This..actually.. looks genuine. As long as you continue to contribute, I can believe this.
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Reap wrote:also, this post has good points about MMM, NS, and mb, but overall I'd say this post bears a striking similarity to my own 121, which kmd disparages in his post. yes, my post WAS an attempt at content. whether it was 'lame' or not is a matter of opinion.
No. The other one basically looked like content for the sake of content to appear townier. I like these posts better.
-See, the bottom of 190 is exactly what I was talking about. I had actual points on you with some jokes mixed in. You choose to respond to the jokes rather than the points.

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So, overall on Reap, as much as I hate this, my read is...

*Shrug*.

I still feel like some of my points apply, but he kind of seems more like a jokey player than doing anything that makes more sense as scum than town. I also feel uneasy about the way people jumped right on to the wagon.

I think I'm going to have to
Unvote
(Retracted, see below) and admit I may have been wrong.

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Farside, are you really suggesting that UK replaced out
strategically
? Because I don't see that at all.

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Reap wrote:So far, the only 'scumtell' that you seem to be concentrating on is lack of content. This strikes me as odd, because it doesn't seem that you've made a sincere effort to hunt any scum, you just want to crucify people for not posting much. Which in my experience is exactly what scum do, to throw suspicion elsewhere and make themselves look better in the public eye.
Gah!

Isn't this EXACTLY what you are doing?

I'm retracting that unvote.

Crap. Guys, we have a problem. Reap and Mac are both pretty scummy, but I don't think they are scum together because their spat looks genuine.
So either:
A.) I'm misreading one of them
B.) I'm misreading both and it's town vs town
C.) We have two scum groups or an SK.

I think I'm ok with a lynch of either of the two. If it's a misread, I think I lean Mac as a lynch because Reap has me tearing my hair out trying to determine his alignment.

Ok, yeah.

Unvote, Vote MacavityLock


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Fake wrote:@MLock: if you were indeed miller, why would you mention your claim more than once? Even asking people to comment on it?
Because he's scum playing the ol' miller Gambit.

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Esp wrote:Why would you claim miller straight off and not wait to see if you even get investigated. In all honesty the main incentives I can see for that is that you are non godfather scum trying to get yourself cleared if you get investigated or a third party role that doesn't want the scum to kill you because you can easily be set up.
If he's honestly a miller, the idea is that by claiming Day 1, he isn't wasting a cop's investigation or bringing up a distraction later. It's still debatable whether or not that is the best strategy, but it has become common.

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Crap, gotta go.

Note to self: Read 209 next.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:08 am

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My scumdar is shooting off the charts.

I wager that
at least
2 out of {RC, Kmd, Sudo, Esp, MMM} are scum.

Btw: I believe in a tell that the first person to usually say someone else could be SK is the SK!

Mac sounds like town to me
- He does not want to waste a cop investigation - logical
- And he wants the vig to shoot him - one of those smarter townies who know that if dying actually helps you team win, then you should do it.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:12 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:Because he's scum playing the ol' miller Gambit.
Some facts:
  • I posted to the thread within 10 minutes on Sens replacing me in.
  • As a replacement, were I scum, I would not have had any opportunity to confer with scum buddies.
  • I have never gambitted Day 1 as scum (and can provide previous games at request).
Yes, my fake claim is Innocent Aligned with the Town win condition as per the mod's first post.

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