Harry Potter Mafia - Over!

[manho]

@ RC:

Do you want me to claim?

um. why are you so eager to claim.

maybe he has just finished faking a role and eager to show us his work.

[ReaperCharlie]

Andrius needs to claim. Then I might be interested in a furc lynch unless some people wanna take a shiny new rajedujfrikfdwagon for a spin.

why are YOU so eager for a claim?

[Kmd4390]

Because he's softclaimed so hard (pun intended) that he definitely needs to claim now.

[FakeGod]

I wouldn't mind if he claimed tomorrow or something......

[Andrius]

@ RC:

Do you want me to claim?

um. why are you so eager to claim.

Because you and Espeonage think I'm scum.
And other ppl want me to, so.

@ KMD: I like the pun.

@ manho: Scum usually have fakeclaims, so why would they make one up if they were given one to begin with?

Alright.

I am a pro-town Mason.

@ My buddy-dude: Don't claim unless you want to.

I'm going to hold off on claiming my name, as I have to protect my partner for as long as possible; I have a hunch someone needs him dead to win.

So. Can we get a Furcolow claim and/or lynch now?
If not I'll gladly redirect my attention to rajrhcpfreak. (His name isn't that hard to spell, guys.)

[Andrius]

aaaaand /ninja'd by FakeGod.

[ReaperCharlie]

1. if you're trying to protect your partner, then why the h311 are you claiming mason?

2. that sounds exactly like a scum gambit, ... its easy to pull off a mason claim as long as you dont reveal roles or powers moron.

3. my scumdar is exploding.

[Andrius]

1. Because I

am

a mason, d'oh. I'm not scum in

every

game we're in together.

2. I don't have any "powers" to speak of, save masonry.

3.
I'm town. Shove off.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@KMD re: 980

– I don’t particularly like you ‘setting up lynches’ just like Furc has done. I’m not 100% convinced by your vote count analysis that the scum besides obvFurc must lie in Rajr, MPR, and NS. If anything the last two look like lurker hunting. Once we get an actual voted flip of a Death Eater we can begin really chewing into the vote counts.

Because he's softclaimed so hard (pun intended) that he definitely needs to claim now.

So you’d rather he compound the already made error and eliminate any Scum uncertainty as to whether he’s a good Nightkill target? I see no Pro-Town reasons for calling for a claim when he wasn't in direct lynch danger.

Calling people to vote wasn't because I wanted a faster day, but because votes are Solid evidences (they last in VCs and so on), in contrary to just ideas and opinions, which changes and moves around quite a bit. Because my game playing tends to focus into voting patterns, I didn't want scums to slip out of my radar that easily.

If this is true why aren’t you calling out the lurkers (Nobody Special, MPR) on this as they are the culprits most likely to escape both VC analysis and post analysis?

VOTE: furcolow

claim furcolow.

And I assume he means full-claim as you’ve already claimed Ron W.

I don't actually think he's that great of a lynch... He's playing his town meta for sure, I tell you.

Does he have a scum meta? Is it significantly different than his Town meta? If the answers to either of these questions is NO then I have a serious problem with this assertion. Playing to his ‘Town meta’ is pointless evidence if he has no proven scum meta that is significantly different.

Alright. I am a pro-town Mason.

INSERT MOST EPIC FACEPALM PIC HERE!

Well now that you’ve done this I am saying two things.

1. DO NOT OFFER UP YOUR PARTNER / PARTNERS UNLESS THEY ARE IN LYNCH DANGER AND THE ANSWER TO THE SECOND STATEMENT IS YES!!
2. Since you are using Mason I assume anyone connected to you has Mod confirmed Town status. Is this correct?

@ Furc -

I know from other places you have some person life issue currently. No response at all to my case?

@ MOD

- Can we get Prods on Nobody Special and MPR if appropriate? They really need to get their butts in here and provide something useful to the discussion.

[Kmd4390]

Setting up lynches isn't scummy.

I agree a scum flip will help but we don't have that yet so I did the best I could.

Did you not see my post about softclaims being bad regardless of alignment? Let me put it this way. Why do we not massclain to start games? Because it tells scum who to kill. If andrius is town, he was a NK target as soon as he softclaimed. If he's scum, we want to see his claim anyway. Back to if he's town, what more danger does a fullclaim put him in than a softclaim? It makes no difference whatsoever. A claim does nothing more than provide the town with more info about andrius.

[ReaperCharlie]

I don't know much about his scum meta Magna. But I've seen him play town a few times before and this is no different.

[MacavityLock]

Interesting. Andrius, have you ever played in a game with Masons before? Have you ever played in a game with Neighbors before? As a Mason, are you and your partner confirmed to each other?

[FakeGod]

yo Magna, why the facepalm?

It's not like he had a hugely important/powerful role to claim anyways...

[Andrius]

INSERT MOST EPIC FACEPALM PIC HERE!

Well now that you’ve done this I am saying two things.

1. DO NOT OFFER UP YOUR PARTNER / PARTNERS UNLESS THEY ARE IN LYNCH DANGER AND THE ANSWER TO THE SECOND STATEMENT IS YES!!
2. Since you are using Mason I assume anyone connected to you has Mod confirmed Town status. Is this correct?

If Reaper calls me scum one more time...

1. I cannot, and will not, under any circumstances out him unless he is at L-1. If I nameclaim you will understand more.
2. Yes. We are confirmed town to each other.

Interesting. Andrius, have you ever played in a game with Masons before? Have you ever played in a game with Neighbors before? As a Mason, are you and your partner confirmed to each other?

This is my first time as a Mason. Greek Mythology was my first encounter with Masons. They were Masons and PRs, and were outed D2. I was scum.
In an ongoing game I was a scum Neighborizer. Never had the chance to Neighborize anyone. I am dead.
I'm in Popularity Mafia, where everyone is a Neighborizer. *on-going*

So yes, I've played with Masons. Yes I've semi-played with Neighbors. Yes, we are town-confirmed to each other.

Pre-post edit: *facepalm* FakeGod, Masons are a big deal.

[MagnaofIllusion]

yo Magna, why the facepalm?

It's not like he had a hugely important/powerful role to claim anyways...

Do you really want me to go into this? Are you sure?

Because despite KMD's position I think it was clearly a bad move and think the reason why it was bad is obvious.

[FakeGod]

Masons, cops, vigs, docs

Someone list them in importance, starting with the most important.

No explanations need to be given.

and.. actually put Jacks on the list too

[MacavityLock]

Andrius isn't scum. Furc probably isn't scum. raj might be scum. FakeGod is likely scum. C'mon people, join me in striking down the blasphemy of this FakeGod!

[Andrius]

I doubt Furc is town.
But since I'm confirmed town, I'll just run around and support whatever wagon, just because. /joking. I shall be smart. Mhmm.

[rajrhcpfreak]

thank you RC for the vote of confidence.

on Andrius, i hate his claim especially with the lack of a role name, (if there was one, please point it out.)
but when you think about it why would scum claim so early when they could have ridden the fur/raj wagon til the end of the day? i see hes trying to use his position as a "confirmed town" to dirrect the town to follow his play. kinda how RC claimed dumbledore and we all backed down and repented. now thats scummy play, not nessiarily scum.
if i had the mason names i would possibly buy the claim. until i give him an

FOS

until i get his name and partner's role name. i dont think we need to know the person just yet. honestly it would clear some things if he did come out.
im trying hard to avoid OMGUS when analyizing andrius.

[hasdgfas]

MPR is on V/LA, but I will prod NS

[Andrius]

thank you RC for the vote of confidence.

on Andrius, i hate his claim especially with the lack of a role name, (if there was one, please point it out.)
but when you think about it why would scum claim so early when they could have ridden the fur/raj wagon til the end of the day? i see hes trying to use his position as a "confirmed town" to dirrect the town to follow his play. kinda how RC claimed dumbledore and we all backed down and repented. now thats scummy play, not nessiarily scum.
if i had the mason names i would possibly buy the claim. until i give him an

FOS

until i get his name and partner's role name. i dont think we need to know the person just yet. honestly it would clear some things if he did come out.
im trying hard to avoid OMGUS when analyizing andrius.

I'm going to

Unvote, Vote: rajrhcpfreak

. Motives? OMGUS. This post is so scummy I want to fake a daykill on you.
1) You're advocating me and my partner[s?] to come out. Baaad.
2) You want me to nameclaim. Under normal circumstances I would, but

I have to protect my buddy at all costs

. He is more important than me by far. And me nameclaiming plus flavor would out his Role Name at the least.
3) You "hate" a Mason claim.
4) Its not scummy play. Stupid, maybe. What have I accomplished? There are 12 of us left. RC is Dumbledore, obvtown. I'm a Mason, obvtown. (And if you're a prick who doesn't buy it, I can be cleared by my buddy.) There's at least one more mason, who is obvtown.
That's at most 9 players who could be scum. Now, if we buy the Miller claim (I do) that's 8. The list of enemies grows thin.
5) You're FoS-ing me until I/we nameclaim? Definitely up to no good.

I'm willing to lynch rajrhcpfreak and Furcolow ATM. Will look into FakeGod.

@ Mod: Did you get my PM regarding V/LA?

[Andrius]

edit:

@ Mod: Sorry, I feel stupid for the last line. ^^; Ignore it.

[Nobody Special]

Hi, I just got prodded. How did you guys post four pages without me?

Thoughts in a few hours. Lunch first.

[ReaperCharlie]

Masons, cops, vigs, docs

Someone list them in importance, starting with the most important.

No explanations need to be given.

and.. actually put Jacks on the list too

It's different than that. There is no point value. Like in chess, people argue about which is more important, bishops or knights. They are both very important in their own ways, and both have a great amount of power if used properly. But both are clearly less powerful than rooks or queens. And in Mafia it's even more different. Obviously a JOAT is more diverse than either a cop or a doc, but is it worth more? Not necessarily. What if it'd be more useful to protect someone twice than to protect one night and investigate another? All this to say, there really is no way of measuring.

With that said: Who cares? It's basically a town PR, and he's effectively outed himself at L-4, which makes me think more of jumpy scum than an actual mason.

[Andrius]

With that said: Who cares? It's basically a town PR, and he's effectively outed himself at L-4, which makes me think more of jumpy scum than an actual mason.

Because you'd believe the claim had I claimed at L-1? I doubt it.