Riddle Me This! NY111 - mafia dead - Town wins!

[inHimshallibe]

confirm.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: izzy

[inHimshallibe]

MOAR VOTES.

*goes for a walk*

[inHimshallibe]

obvtown and obvtown.

Let's get back to this fascinating Izzywagon.

[inHimshallibe]

Korts wasn't detracting from the Town's play, Shea, only your own. I see no evidence, rather feel no gut, that he was steering the conversation in manipulation.

For the record, I'll restrain myself from posting, "Don't be a Richard, Richard" more than twice.

Someone tell me it'd be overreacting to vote RichardGHP based upon his pittance explanation of the wagonhopping.

[inHimshallibe]

Boo to all this theorycrafting.

Vote Count

DizzyIzzyB13

- Korts, ksun482, Shanba, inHimshallibe, dahill1, FeFiFoFum, RichardGHP (L-4)

mipe

- VasudeVa (L-10)

Korts

- Thestatusquo (L-10)

RichardGHP

- Anon, scotmany12 (L-9)

With 20 alive, its 11 to lynch

Not Voting:

ImmuneShadow
Dr.Cyanide
Quagmire
DizzyIzzyB13
Chevre
mipe
theopor_COD
Richard Massive
springlullaby

I will be searching for replacements today for all of those who did not pick up or confirm their roles. Thats like... 4 more players

"When it's a jar."

[inHimshallibe]

I'm not anti-discussion, but against anything that lets scum hide in the opening stages of the game when they can be very vulnerable to slips. You know, accountable for actions and not theories.

And I've done more than promote the izzywagon and calling you and Korts obvtown. ):

[inHimshallibe]

Why has the izzywagon stalled...

[inHimshallibe]

unvote

vote: dahill

Care to throw a teammate under the bus on your way out?

[inHimshallibe]

Periodic V/LA:

Starting today, I will only sporadically check the site for the following week. I should be able to post once every 1-2 days.

[inHimshallibe]

I'll go here:

unvote

vote: scot

Comments tomorrow; just drove 8 hours to DC.

[inHimshallibe]

Don't worry, I'll break out the big guns sooner or later.

As to my vote, scot is now at least as scummy, if not more, as dahill. And it's Day 1. And I like to see the formation of bandwagons. I could vote either one comfortably, but I want to see what comes of this scot vote.

As to the reason... well... scot's argument seems forced the further he makes it. I echo the question of "Why are you attacking VaVa now, and why like this?"

dahill is still overexplaining himself; I could still vote there, but did I mention I like wagons on Day 1?

[inHimshallibe]

Alright, back and reading. Don't expect substance until tomorrow.

[inHimshallibe]

My vote will stand on Korts probably until he's lynched.

Fool. And probably a .

"Forced" is a gut read from me, and isn't substantiated based on a single post, but that player's game in the whole. If I read each of scot's posts in iso, I would not come to the same conclusion that I do in reading his posts within the flow of the game.

The above paragraph is a waste of time. tl;dr: My suspicions on scot are total gut and probably unsubstantiated otherwise.

dahill's "overexplanation"
- I think scum have a tendency to try and clean their accusations spotless, and so when a player repeats the same thing to many different people in defense, I think it's scummy.

I don't have the conviction I once did on scot.

unvote

vote: mipe

L-2

[inHimshallibe]

Vig, please kill sorasgoof tonight. TIA.

[inHimshallibe]

Vig, please kill sorasgoof tonight. TIA.

inHim, you're being the scummy kind of lurker.

Perhaps, but you're actually scum.

[inHimshallibe]

lol, Quag's been firing off a lot of generalizations, and then his vote on Korts is not only boggling, but a scum-ploy.

Not much to pin down on Quag, which with the presence he is making for himself in the Day is just outright scum as well.

[inHimshallibe]

On mipe's claim: This supposed extra line at the end could be a number of things. Could state that he secretly wants to be lynched. Could state that he is a neighbour/mason with a couple other players. Could state that he secretly has loyalties to the mafia. Could be anything, and unless he elaborates, we won't find out untill he dies.

lol

@iaun: if i thought we had time, I might be in favor of leaving the mipewagon.

mipe, soras, Quag, GHP, dahill - fine with lynching any of these. That list is in no real order.

[inHimshallibe]

I have a notebook page or two, but it's not very compelling.

I did note a possible pair that I missed before:

Shea + Izzy OR RGHP

Unlikely, as I have Shea as town. But, there it is, for prosperity.

[inHimshallibe]

Wow, totally missed Anon there. Had my preview window up for like four hours, I guess.

I like the read on PaltryExcuse.

[inHimshallibe]

I hate to break this to you, Paltry, but it's Day 1.

To say my posts are "informationless" is just silly, too.

[inHimshallibe]

scotmany12- springlullaby (L-10)
Springlullaby- DizzyIzzyB13 (L-10)
dahill1- Thestatusquo (L-10)
Richard Massive- theopor_COD (L-10)
Korts - Quagmire (L-10)
RichardGHP- scotmany12, Mipe (L-9)
ksun482- Shanba, dahill1 (L-9)
sorasagoof- iamausername (L-10)
Paltry Excuse- Anon (L-10)

mipe - PaltryExcuse, VasudeVad, Korts, ksun482, sorasagoof, RichardGHP, inHimshallibe, FeFiFoFum (L-3)

Those are good snapshots. I wonder what our numbers are.

unvote
vote: RichardGHP

[inHimshallibe]

You like ksun better than GHP?

Ok.

unvote
vote: ksun

[inHimshallibe]

Lol @ inhim only voting ksun after Fonz says so and completely ignoring me/Shanba.

I'll have more later but I'm out for tonight

The Fonz :knowsstuff:

[inHimshallibe]

unvote korts, vote RichardGHP

If Korts isn't going to get lynched today...

Right, like you really thought he was going to get lynched earlier.

People, notice who popped up and decided to take their thumbs out of their butts...

after

we got some replacements in here that (at least act like they) are scumhunting and we get a deadline extension. Some of the same people that were sitting on a one-of wagon and would have the rest of us make the decision for them.

At least we've got two growing wagons. I'll stick with ksun, mainly because RGHP got some support when The Fonz and I put our votes on him. Furthermore, his iso is hilarious, and when put in context atrocious.

[inHimshallibe]

That was a vague him.

**when The Fonz an I put our votes on ksun.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm thinking of a possible scum group effort to steer away from mipe's lynch.

Nuh-uh. You don't just sling mud at a large group of people like that.

Only point I really disagree with The Fonz on thus far.

I don't think VaVa was "mudslinging" a large group of people. I read it as he wants us to play closer attention to the mipe wagon, and find individuals within that subset. I think this is an excellent, town-motivated idea.

Also, vote sticks - liking the company. ksun is a much better bet than the participating RGHP.

[inHimshallibe]

I don't think VaVa was "mudslinging" a large group of people. I read it as he wants us to play closer attention to the mipe wagon, and find individuals within that subset. I think this is an excellent, town-motivated idea.
.

Doing it yourself might be an 'excellent, town-motivated' idea. Telling other people to do it is not.

Hmm, your point is better when put like that.

VaVa, who are/were your top suspects that are/were on the mipe wagon?

[inHimshallibe]

He's not talking about the mipewagon, he's accusing the ksun wagon as being an attempt to chainsaw defend mipe.

Incidentally, the whole chainsaw defence 'tell' remains retarded.

I misinterpreted the whole interaction between you two, then.

Let me rephrase the question:
VaVa: if mipe is scum, who are the top two candidates to be partners with him?

[inHimshallibe]

Things just got interesting.

[inHimshallibe]

Using wagoning as basis for your vote fails.

Also:

X

[inHimshallibe]

I just shrug off hypocrisy accusations. I really couldn't care less about them.

What I mean is, you're voting me solely on the basis that I'm wagoning. That fails.

Hmm, backtracking too.

[inHimshallibe]

IHSIB/Ricky spat is intriguing. Need more alignment info.

Town/Town.

[inHimshallibe]

Whole lot of folks quiet here at the end.

:crickets:

[inHimshallibe]

Damn, you're scum this game, aren't you, Yos?

[inHimshallibe]

Never mind, Yos. You're probably town now that Quagmire has started to attack you.

Quagmire, what is easier about lynching ksun than RGHP? Give one reason that separates the two, so those on ksun might vote the other way.

[inHimshallibe]

Quagmire, what is easier about lynching ksun than RGHP? Give one reason that separates the two, so those on ksun might vote the other way.

He's at L-2.

That is not a reasonable answer.

And yes, I really think you're scum. I've not seen anything from you but vague accusations and theory. And your stance on Korts is unbelievably wretched.

[inHimshallibe]

Quagmire, what is easier about lynching ksun than RGHP? Give one reason that separates the two, so those on ksun might vote the other way.

He's at L-2.

That is not a reasonable answer.

And yes, I really think you're scum. I've not seen anything from you but vague accusations and theory. And your stance on Korts is unbelievably wretched.

I'd be willing to bet money that Korts is scum, and you must not be familiar with how I play.

I'm familiar with how you're

playing

, and I don't like it, not one bit.

[inHimshallibe]

Deadline is in a few minutes according to my own blind calculation... needless to say I am not the lynch for today.

Hopefully you'll get vigged tonight, then.

Why are you so hellbent on me dying? Am I really the most anti-town player in the game, anti-town enough that I need to be disposed of immediately? Didn't think so. Nice try, scum.

Yos tomorrow guys?

:gasp:

[inHimshallibe]

scotmany12- springlullaby (L-10)
Springlullaby- DizzyIzzyB13 (L-10)
dahill1- Thestatusquo (L-10)
Richard Massive- theopor_COD (L-10)

Korts

- Quagmire (L-10)
RichardGHP- scotmany12, Mipe (L-9)

ksun482

- Shanba, dahill1 (L-9)

sorasagoof

- iamausername (L-10)
Paltry Excuse- Anon (L-10)
mipe - PaltryExcuse, VasudeVad,

Korts

,

ksun482

,

sorasagoof

, RichardGHP, inHimshallibe, FeFiFoFum (L-3)

dahill1- Thestatusquo (L-10)
mipe - PaltryExcuse,

ksun482

,

sorasagoof

, FeFiFoFum (L-7)
RichardGHP- scotmany12, Mipe, Yosarian2, Quagmire,

korts

, Shanba (L-5)

ksun482

- dahill1, The Fonz, inHimshallibe, iamausername, Anon, RichardGHP, DizzyIzzyB13, VasudeVad, Zoraster (L-2)

[inHimshallibe]

Someone accidentally doing something wrong is NOT scumhunting.

There seems to be an overall misunderstanding of what scumhunting is in this game. Also, Ksun, original observations please.

+town points for the shea-slot.

Well, scumhunting is good, because is they accidentally do something wrong, we know who the scum is. So Richard?

This kinda seems like ksun just wanted something to write, so he put an obvious statement (albeit incorrect as TSQ pointed out). At least write something to make us think you're not blatantly piggybacking.

I could vote ksun right now, but I wanna hear from Izzy still. And DickGHP

+town points for dahill. -town points as he didn't vote. Wash.

^Yeahhe ^{does look scummy}, and anti-town ^peopleare bad but dahill? ^That'sobvious.

Unvote Vote: Dahill

[/sup]

+town points for dahill. Not a partner with ksun. SK still possible with the Day 1 weirdness.

I'll pick back up after work.

[inHimshallibe]

@InHim: Wishy-washiness isn't scummy.

Not what I meant when I said "Wash." btw.

[inHimshallibe]

Oh, duh.

vote: Quagmire

[inHimshallibe]

I've not had the time to give to this game what it deserves from me in the form of a post. Will be back later.

For now:
@PE - Three reasonable, possible living partners of VaVa?
@Yos - ^^ but with PE?

[inHimshallibe]

I will reply after work, I swearz it.

[inHimshallibe]

His play reminds me of the play that he had in the Space Monkey Mafia, in which he flipped mafia.

I'm... I'm not sure this is your best case.

[inHimshallibe]

Alright, so re-reading sorasgoof, I'm just going to assume that's a vig kill/SK trying to look like a vig.

[inHimshallibe]

@Furcolow: What is your opinion on the case against myself? Anyone else's case in general?

@inHim: You asked what mine and Yos2's suspicions were but you didn't really follow up on it. What is your opinion on either of us?

Hold your horses, bub, I'm working on it.

[inHimshallibe]

Bah, time to go eat. Be back later.

[inHimshallibe]

I wouldn't normally post before work, but I feel a small rebuttal is necessary, given I have yet to provide much at all this Day.

My reason to switch to one of RGHP/ksun and not to one of the players on my list was because I no longer wished to be a part of the mipewagon, and we were facing a looming deadline. I did not want to place a dead vote - most of y'all weren't agreeing with my scum choices at the moment. Had I given more thought at the time of my Richard vote, that actually would have been a ksun vote. I chose RGHP to begin with because he was posting like a chicken with his head cut off, just all over the place. ksun was non-existent.

The Fonz's arrival to the ksun wagon showed what I was missing out on by not being on the ksun wagon. and I moved yet again. I'm not going to add a reason when there is nothing to add; that's just unnecessary noise.

Also, I've not forgotten about those quick Richard votes, either - I've yet to really make a substantive post this Day, still working around a busy schedule.

[inHimshallibe]

Geez, I need to do some actual hunting of my own. No time for that on the clock, though, just another response:

That's a twist of what I said, dahill.

I thought RGHP was a better wagon than mipe. I thought the same of ksun. If I were voting who I thought was scummiest, I would have been on Quag all day, but that was (and still is) going nowhere, so what use is a vote there? RGHP was all over the place when I unvoted mipe, twitching like a possibly nervous scum, so I headed there. The Fonz pointed to ksun, and I thought it was a better wagon to lynch a "not helpful" player.

and other people joined so.."

No one else voted ksun between The Fonz and I, so I'm not sure what that part means.

Explain to me my "opportunism," dahill. I think you're confusing the "o"-word with my fluidity of thought and vote.

Day 1, I vote where my mindset is at that point, and playing with thoughts on your sleeves is a town play in my books. If you were making a poster child for thinking with your vote, I'm one of the top candidates. If I think one wagon will develop into something good, that's where I'll be. If I realize the bait on a wagon is bad, then I jump off that wagon and get to another.

[inHimshallibe]

Mr. Chaos, I appreciate you catching up and all, but a list from least scummy to most scummy would have been more helpful than the vagueness you just gave us all.

Welcome to the game.

Alright, so I'll finally have time to do some catch-up work at lunch, hallelujah.

[inHimshallibe]

Bah to lunch, satellite delay coming now, so long as work doesn't interfere.

[inHimshallibe]

Korts and sora's deaths mean they were on to something that made mafia(s) feel threatened. With Korts, I see two things... or Quag pushing for Korts to seem town.

I can't say I'm surprised by the Korts kill. With the townKorts flip, this obviously means we should look at Quagmire (one of the frontrunners for Korts' lynch).

Alright, so neither of these points make much sense, but you all mentioned them, so...

@Vas and RGHP: did either of you follow up looking at Quagmire, or were you not really serious in what you said here?

Well, Quagscum is likely partner with one of these two.

[inHimshallibe]

Secondly, there was very little late movement in the wagons. The only movement there was was me off ksun and onto Ricky and zoraster onto ksun. In a twenty player game, that's almost nothing. While bussing is possible (and even fairly likely given the way ksun played on day 1) surely there must have been some scum who were not on the wagon - and what were they doing? Looking at the players who were not on the ksun wagon - tsq is inactive and probably needs replacement, Yos2 was pushing hard, mipe didn't post that whole time and neither did paltry or FFFF. Scot dropped his previously high posting rate about a week before deadline an basically stopped posting at all. So basically, everyone who was on the counterwagons dropped off the face of the planet at the crucial point.

This was overall a very :goodposting: by Shanba, and I wanted to address this part.

scotmany12-

springlullaby

, zoraster (L-9)
dahill1-

Thestatusquo

Mr. Chaos (L-10)
mipe - PaltryExcuse, VasudeVad, Korts, ksun482, sorasagoof, RichardGHP, FeFiFoFum (L-4)
Korts - Quagmire (L-10)
RichardGHP- scotmany12, Mipe, Yosarian2 (L-8)
ksun482- Shanba, dahill1, The Fonz, inHimshallibe (L-8)
sorasagoof- iamausername (L-10)
Paltry Excuse- Anon (L-10)

scotmany12- zoraster (L-10)
dahill1-

Thestatusquo

Mr. Chaos (L-10)
mipe - PaltryExcuse, VasudeVad, ksun482, sorasagoof, RichardGHP, FeFiFoFum (L-5)
RichardGHP- scotmany12, Mipe, Yosarian2, Quagmire, korts (L-6)
ksun482- Shanba, dahill1, The Fonz, inHimshallibe, iamausername (L-6)
Paltry Excuse- Anon (L-10)

scotmany12- zoraster (L-10)
dahill1-

Thestatusquo

Mr. Chaos (L-10)
mipe - PaltryExcuse, ksun482, sorasagoof, FeFiFoFum (L-7)
RichardGHP- scotmany12, Mipe, Yosarian2, Quagmire, korts, (L-6)
ksun482- Shanba, dahill1, The Fonz, inHimshallibe, iamausername, Anon, RichardGHP, DizzyIzzyB13, VasudeVad (L-2)

dahill1-

Thestatusquo

Mr. Chaos (L-10)
mipe - PaltryExcuse, ksun482, sorasagoof, FeFiFoFum (L-7)
RichardGHP- scotmany12, Mipe, Yosarian2, Quagmire, korts, Shanba (L-5)
ksun482- dahill1, The Fonz, inHimshallibe, iamausername, Anon, RichardGHP, DizzyIzzyB13, VasudeVad, Zoraster (L-2)

To me, I don't feel a scum would move as late as zoraster did. It's by no means a town tell, just why move your vote when you could lurk to the lynch?

The lurkiness of the others that you've mentioned really draws my attention. PaltryExcuse is quickly climbing to my vote; after I've caught up, I don't suppose a bandQuagon will be in the works, and will probably move here.

My next order of business will be to address one my comments in Day 1 after our glorious replacements came in. I have to go train someone first, though. Be back in a bit.

[inHimshallibe]

IHSIB, afer you had voted and then unvoted him because you thought he might have been a nervous scum, you then pushed him a little when I was pushing him and so I asked you what you thought his alignment was. You said you thought he was town, despite the fact that you seemed to agree with parts of my analysis and you had voted him earler, too, indicating you had at least at one point thought he was scum.

What's going on there?

I said "Town/Town" because that's how little spats like those work out.

After the quick jump on RGHP after The Fonz voted for ksun, I gave RGHP town credit. That little exchange at the end of the Day was me being contrary, egging RGHP on a bit. You'll notice my ":gasp:" after one of his posts as well.

Vas, did you see my question to you earlier?

[inHimshallibe]

I've been rereading and just got to the part where the ksun votes start to pile up. I assume you're going off the mod's vote counts, but the order in those is wrong. ksun votes after mine went Dizzy -> Vas -> Richard -> Anon -> zoraster.

So basically, switch Anon and Vas in your analysis, because Vas is town, and Anon was bussing. On that note:

Vote: Anon

I was just looking over that votecount again. Thanks for this.

mipe, Yosarian2, and either Shanba/Shea.

Yosarian2's accusation of me seems timely rather than legitimate. If he can explain his case against me beyond 'he is acting scummy' that'd be great.

Shanba is a continuation of the confusion I felt from him near the end of Day 1, but his ideas on Shea made me feel much better about him and convinced me slightly. Makes my mind go one or the other.

RichardGHP is a fourth, but I'm doubting a bus from Yosarian unless RichardGHP is a weak mafia member (just a goon or something).

I really like your response to your accusations. Seems genuine, and I no longer want to vote you. Do you really think these people are linked with VasudeVa, or are they all just top scum choices? I'm looking for connections, and you really didn't give me anything new to consider.

Hm.

@Vas: Feeling a very pro-town vibe from that response. Second, what do you think are the best points brought up against me?

[inHimshallibe]

I already said that I think RichardG and FeFiFo are likely scumbuddies of PE. I'm not sure who a fourth one would be; most likely there's someone on the scum group who wasn't on the mipe wagon yesterday, but it could be any one of a number of people.

Fair enough.

Suppose you're right about RGHP - if there is a bus vote in there, who is it from?

[inHimshallibe]

inhimshallibe -

distracts the town

, puts FoS on obvtown players, doesnt build cases

Quag is obvtown? Is that what you mean?

Cases don't get built on D1.

[inHimshallibe]

I suppose they weren't "quick" - but Yos votes RGHP and then Quagmire follows not too far behind, reason being:

unvote korts, vote RichardGHP

If Korts isn't going to get lynched today...

Somehow, my vote hop gets attention, and I'm the only one calling on Quagmire.

Driving back to work now, will follow up with players coming out of the woodwork after replacements/deadline extension.

Also, my "I'd be fine with lynching these people" list doesn't always mean I proactively think they're scum. Let the chastisement begin, I guess.

[inHimshallibe]

OK, so after The Fonz and Yos replaced in, we had sparks of life come from Quag, scot, Anon, and izzy.

izzy's behavior later in the Day leads me to believe he's more town.

You all know my thoughts on Quagmire.

scot comes in and posts to berate the mipewagon and say he was sticking with RGHP. Does a little defense of himself. Not-so-town.

Anon also comes in saying he could support ksun without moving his vote with this comment. Not-so-town.

After rereading that point of the game, I can't see RGHPscum. The brashness and absolute venom he has for those attacking him (*cough*Yos) seems very townlike.

Also, I thought we had a deadline extension somewhere in there, but that wasn't truly the case. Mod set a deadline in spite of replacements. Makes the ksun swing more interesting now. Will do more digging after some more work.

Of that analysis, preferred order: Quag, scot/Anon, izzy.

[inHimshallibe]

Except not.

RGHP was both participating and "posting all over the place." I chose to vote him because of the "posting all over the place," but chose to vote ksun over RGHP because RGHP was participating, and ksun was not helpful. And there was The Fonz placing a vote on ksun over RGHP.

My vote on mipe was for a claim; you'll notice I explicitly stated he was at L-2 when I placed his vote.

There's no way to prove it, but there's no way I would have ever gone back to voting you on D1 dahill. :shrug: Only way I'm voting you now is if I think it's likely you are SK, because there's no way in hell you're partners with ksun.

[inHimshallibe]

Sure, I was very comfortable lynching him after he claimed townie.

[inHimshallibe]

And, yes, in spite of the fact I was comfortable lynching mipe, I

still

jumped off his wagon. My comfort with letting a lynch happen does not mean that it is the particular lynch I want for that Day.

[inHimshallibe]

I feel the case on you is rather solid and the recent runaround you tried to give dahill1 doesn't make you look any better either.

Runaround? That's ridiculous; I answered his questions, and transparently at that. Do you feel I held something back?

What exactly were you 'comfortable' with then? The fact he claimed VT and was going to be lynched or otherwise? Do you still carry any opinion of his guilt to today? Personally I like the case against you so far.

I was comfortable with lynching a VT given the perceived time we had to form another wagon. If he is VT (now highly likely) then at least we didn't out a power role and we can move on with more information.

I no longer think it wise to lynch mipe based on what transpired on D1.

I need to review this again, digging a little deeper.

[inHimshallibe]

InHim, I think the issue is, if your fairly long 'comfortable with lynching' list was that if you included on it people you didn't particularly 'think' were scum, and it wasn't like it was a particularly short list, then you go and vote in quick succession for two players who weren't even on that list (without any reasoning), then it just looks like you're willing to vote for pretty much anyone.

I really doubted the probability that my vote would count for anything if I went with anyone on my list. I was trying to jumpstart another wagon by voting on one of RGHP/ksun - they both had more than one vote. Once you voted, I shifted to the lurker ksun, which bolstered momentum so we had a chance at a decent wagon to oppose mipe.

If it played out the other way, where I initially vote ksun, then you voted for RGHP, I would have done the same thing (switch wagons).

[inHimshallibe]

We've had rain. Will post soon.

[inHimshallibe]

I was behind a couple of days, and then we had the flooding. (I'm not at the University anymore, but did receive flooding nonetheless). That put me behind further.

If I can't make good effort in a catch-up post today, I will humbly ask for replacement. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but 1000 year floods only come so often. :/

[inHimshallibe]

Im truly sorry.

Request replacement.

vote: Anon

This game needs a shot in the arm.

[inHimshallibe]

Dammit.

[inHimshallibe]

fine. whatever. I think we need a new day to spice things up a bit. Anon is as good a target as any who aren't Richard. And I don't have a ton of faith in the mod's ability to find a replacement for Anon in short order.

unvote. vote: anon

Oh, I don't like this post.

[inHimshallibe]

Deadline is in two days. Do you think you can successfully lead a lynch on VasudeVa with that type of "meh" attitude in that time?

unvote. Vote: RichardGHP

This guy is bad.

unvote
vote: zoraster

OK, so I'm seeing extremely late movement on D1 to the ksun wagon, an L-1 hop to Anon which seemed kind of "tack-on" to me, a comment on the time of Day instead of The Fonz's actual case against VaVa, and an unreasoned wagon hop onto RichardGHP. Bleh.

[inHimshallibe]

Chaos and Fonzie are also prob town for reaction to my claim.

Interesting. Any reason Zoraster and Shanba are not included in this?

fonz started the unvote wagon and you blatantly tried to direct my kill.

it might also help the prob town read I had from both of you before these events.

This is :excellentposting:.

Please kill Quagmire, though.

[inHimshallibe]

I gave thought to RichardGHP, Paltry, VaVa, and zoraster.

RichardGHP has been a very active participant in this game, along with being very defensive and condescending of any attacks toward him. I read him as genuine, and genuine play comes from town more than scum. The claim is weak, but totally viable given what we've seen thus far.

[inHimshallibe]

VasudeVa is sticking his neck out and I like that.

I don't see a scum trying that hard to save ksun, as is PE's case. Why else would he continually make the argument for mipe... Don't like the cases against PE.

zoraster's where I'll stay; nothing from him has convinced me to move.

[inHimshallibe]

Off-votes Day 1:

dahill1- Thestatusquo (L-10)
mipe - PaltryExcuse, ksun482, sorasagoof, FeFiFoFum (L-7)
RichardGHP- scotmany12, Mipe, Yosarian2, Quagmire, korts, Shanba (L-5)
---
Off-votes Day 2:

Furcolow- mipe (L-8)
Yosarian2- Quagmire (L-8)
Anon- iamausername (L-8)
inHimshallibe- Furcolow, dahill1 (L-7)
RichardGHP- scottmany12 (L-8)
VasudeVa- The Fonz, zoraster, Shanba (L-6)
Shanba- VasudeVa (L-8)
Paltry Excuse- Yosarian2 (L-8)
---
Off-voting both Days:
scotmany12
mipe
Yos

Quagmire

don_johnson

Well, lookie there!

vote Quag_johnson

[inHimshallibe]

@Cove: dahill is most definitely not mafia with ksun. If Anon-vig confirms he took a shot, that will (95%) rule out an SK, meaning dahill will come out clean on the whole.

Also, my vote on RGHP was moved to ksun before any more voted RGHP, and I don't think I ever voted VaVa.

[inHimshallibe]

God bless The Fonz.









And dahill.

unvote
vote: scot

[inHimshallibe]

verbal gymnastics

[inHimshallibe]

Yos gets a one-Day, no lynching honeymoon pass. 'Grats, dude.

[inHimshallibe]

Right, reread coming.

[inHimshallibe]

One more day, please. I have an interview tomorrow! I've been so busy getting things arranged; mafia has just kind of been pushed to the back burner.

Glorious return tomorrow.

[inHimshallibe]

I struggled through some OMGUS issues with PE, but have held a solid town read on the playerslot.

My reread didn't tell me much that I hadn't already thought through before. The two scum we have lynched were pretty quiet, and zoraster's D1 attack on scot, followed by nothing on D2 seems like the best place to start. Follow scum to other scum, imo.

[inHimshallibe]

My role is exactly the same as the one in the opening post, except it has 1 line more at the end.

I think this was a VT claim. I'm actually surprised this went so unnoticed.

This post doesn't sound like he was VT.

unvote
vote: Cove

HAMMER

[inHimshallibe]

Good call. I feel much better about Yos now.

[inHimshallibe]

dahill just flat-out isn't scum, and I'm suspicious of those that are trying to run him up. Will post more tonight.

[inHimshallibe]

Moving to Nashville in the next couple of days, will only be on with very limited access to post in my Newbie game I am modding.

[inHimshallibe]

IAUN flaking could also explain the lack of NK.

Get the rope, all of you.

Pay attention.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: iamausername

- this can also be a happy d_j vote. I will be limited until Friday or Saturday evening.

[inHimshallibe]

Im thinking massclaim so we can work better with POE.

Yeah, this is right.

[inHimshallibe]

Pretty sure we should at least get two claims today. One for the lynch, one for the vigging.

[inHimshallibe]

unvote
vote: Mr. Chaos

I don't use the vote tags. Hrm.

[inHimshallibe]

Oh yeah, you're still in this game too, inHim.

What are your thoughts on any one player?

inHim - sucks. Sorry.

Let me d10 and I'll tell you about someone.

[inHimshallibe]

It came back 9, and that would be Yos. I'll look at him.

[inHimshallibe]

Alright, so at this point in time, I don't think Yos is the play, given his early push on the Mafia Murderer Cove. That was on Day 2, which would be the corresponding Night that Cove would be able to kill.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: RichardGHP

Not the Odd Tracker.

[inHimshallibe]

Ah, this feels good.

unvote
vote: don_johnson

[inHimshallibe]

I was pretty good at picking out power roles. Not so good at not letting the rest of my team die like a house of cards. I felt handcuffed to lynches most of the time.

Which means it was a job well done by Town. Good game.