Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

[Kmd4390]

Dammit! Three posts and none of them are scummy.

Vote Camn

until I find something to blow up and make a case on.

[Kmd4390]

Damn, I can't keep up. I read 6 pages and had a post ready last night, but my computer started acting up, so I saved my post and left. Been out all day today. Basically, I saw a Nik/Ythan/Anon scum team, but I'm not going to be laying any votes this far behind. It's 3AM and I have to work tomorrow morning, so hopefully I'll get to this tomorrow night.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, I read 6 pages of this game a while back and my the forums slowed down on me, so I stopped there. I'm gonna finish the post I had and have real thoughts posted shortly. I apologize for not being able to keep up so far. That's not like me at all.

[Kmd4390]

Hmm. After Page 1, I'm trying to decide who is scummiest between Nik, Anon, and Ythan.

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Page 2, I think I trust DGB's judgement on a player who looked scummy to me anyway (Nik). Ythan looks like Nik's buddy. I see Camn is all over that. Anon is scummy too. Maybe I did good on Page 1.

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Page 3, if Nik is town, CSL and SerialHoop are scum. Mae is town. Parama is town.

Dramonic, who on the Nik wagon is scummy?

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Page 4, Mae brings up a good point against CSL. I originally saw it as possible scum attacking town, but it could very easily be a bus. Miserable is town.

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Page 5, Parama seems too confident that Nik is town. Then again, that's a common attitude towards a player who is badwagoned quickly and early, so I still say Parama is town.

Ythan is so scummy right now. Dripeth is obvtown. Parama is getting weird...

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Page 6 (thought I'd gotten this far before. Guess not.), knowing Nik was scum, Ythan and Parama look like scumbuddies to Nik.

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Page 7, Ythan is "tempted" to vote Parama. Why not do it then?

Parama gets extremely scummy on this page.

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Page 8, Parama throws in some AtE's.

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Page 9, Mae's pissed off reaction to CSL's vote looks kinda fake.

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Page 10, Mae is "relieved" that Nik-scum isn't dead. Hmm.

Drippereth and Yos are obvtown if I haven't said that already.

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Page 12, my Camn vote was a joke-vote. I never did a proper read on Day 1 and forgot I'd joke-voted (I rarely do anymore).

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Page 13, Drip, what did you mean by "But yeah, he's nervous about KMD there too. " ("he" being Nik)?

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Page 14, post 335 catches my attention. I want everyone to go look at that ASAP.

Serial straight up says he wants to derail the Nik wagon and attacks obvtown Drip.

Ythan is still scum.

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Page 16, in response to Weaboo, I think Ythan is scum and Drip is town.

Hoop, nice distancing from Mae. (lol, Drip said the same thing I see)

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Page 18, Parama distancing from Hoop.

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Page 19, well I had a town read on MaB, but that post at the top of the page REEKS.

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Vote Parama

Also willing to vote Ythan, Mae, Hoops in that order. I could probably be convinced to vote MaB or Anon too.

[Kmd4390]

DIESCUM.

We'll get SC/Hoop tomorrow.

[Kmd4390]

Ok.

Unvote, Vote ClergyHoop

[Kmd4390]

Guys, stop posting so much.

Guess I should read up.

[Kmd4390]

FUUUUUCKK.

Lost my post. Up to Page 26. Well, Ythan scum. Parama scum. Serial/Hoop scum. Pulindar, scummy at first, but then town. Anon some scummy things but not extremely bad. Mae, bout the same level as Anon. That's about it. Not gonna remake that whole damn post. Any specific questions, post 'em and I'll answer. Need to read after 26 still.

[Kmd4390]

Just refer to my recent Player-by-player, and start playing from NOW.

Can you quote it for me please?

[Kmd4390]

Oh, I got it.

Ok.. this game needs more signal and WAY less noise.

1.

Parama

Town

. A little too tunnelled on that CSL policy lynch, but we have all been there.
2.

Nachomamma

Null read due to low signal:noise
3.

McZombie

Lurking

in all my games. Please die IRL.
5.

Maemuki

lolmaeisaccusingsomebodyofactivelurking

ISO 33 redeems her though.

Townish

.
6.

Ythan

Town, but actually

hurting the game

. I would have daykilled him already if this were Medieval Mafia. BOO.
7.

Pulindar

(Rep. Miserable At Best)
I like the replacement, but MAB was REALLY SCUMMY.
I almost buy that he was a rookie overwhelmed by our awesomeness... but then I remember when BM replaced out as scum in endgame.

NEVER AGAIN SCUM.

8.

Dramonic

Die lurker die

. This game = awesome, and it should be your #1.
9.

camn

obvtown

.
10.

SpyreX

I agree with his ISO 9 re: hoops.

probtown

. But he is good enough to fool me.
11.

A Clergyman with a Hoop

I don't see scum here. I like ISO 33/34 a lot, and think that they defended too hard to be buddies with Nika.
On the other hand...

Camn needs to learn to stop breadcrumbing in the RVS.

I always breadcrumb. Regardless of role. And every time, pointing it out is scummy.
Last time that happened, it was Yos/Nuwen.. and they were scum. And it was a fake breadcrumb.
I would accept a

deadline lynch

, but I have a

town

read right now.
12.

Drippereth

OBV

TOWN

.
14.

Yosarian2

I generally respect Yos's play VERY HIGHLY, but I think he is off his feed this game.
Spinning out a theory argument after the Nik non-hammer?
Sadly, even when I get a full town-read from Yos, I tend to want to lynch him, since he is another one who can fool me.
I am glad he is finally here to help me control the spam problem though. NULL READ.
15.

Anon

Are you serious when you say Parama is scum, Drip?

Vote: Nikanor.

I am that good.

Prob

Town

16.

KMD

(numbers)
Die, my

lurking

friend. This game deserves more respect.
17.

Weaboo

In his ISO 2 he is on to something, but then seems unconvinced later. Maybe this is Hydra crosstalk. I am feeling his 9 and 10.. but I need WAY more posts from this filthy lurker.

probtown

[Kmd4390]

Spy, I'm trying.

Ythan, funny story, I'd explained it in that post then lost the whole thing. But it's more elaboration on my earlier post than anything, so just use that I guess.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, Camn's player analysis thing.

Parama, I disagree on. He's been scummy for most of the game.

Nacho lurked all Day 1, but has been back (kind of like me) and I see him as town based on Day 2.

McZombie, I have no read on.

I disagree on Mae. She is scummy.

Ythan, I disagree on. He's scummy too.

Pulindar, I keep flipping on...

Dramonic, meh. Hard to say. I almost want to say town just because so many other people are scummy.

Camn, obvtown, I agr.....wait a second. I see what you did there. Nah, but really, I don't see you as scummy.

Spy, I agree with you. He looks town, but he's a good scum player so who knows.

Hoop/Serial, I disagree with you on again. Obvscum.

Drip, I agree on. Town.

Yos is someone who I think I read very well and I think he's town.

Anon, I disagree again. He's kinda scummy.

Kmd, I agree with you on. He should have the time to contribute more to this game. And I think he will try his best to improve that.

Weaboo, town.

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On Page 28, Parama uses his hammer vote to defend himself. I don't like that. Scum bus, especially when a lynch looks inevitible.

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I suppose when you're pushing for a lynch on someone you suspect you'll pony up more info. I can wait until then.

I might, but certain people are spamming the thread so much that my number one priority in this game is keeping up with it.

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Page 30, Serial/Hoop trying to use meta to get Elli to get DGB to get us to see them as town is a little off.

[Kmd4390]

I disagree on Mae. She is scummy.

Thanks for not listening to me~

If I missed something, quote it while I'm still online.

[Kmd4390]

Page 10, Mae is "relieved" that Nik-scum isn't dead. Hmm.

Answered.

Page 9, Mae's pissed off reaction to CSL's vote looks kinda fake.

I fail to see how this is a good attack.

Read moar.

Answered where? Quote it because I scanned you in ISO and didn't see it.

Faking anger with a quickhammer is scummy and that's what it looked like to me.

[Kmd4390]

*shrugs* Then it's no use arguing with that, I can't change the way you see things.

Fair enough. Although you could try to explain your stance. But that would probably result in me just elaborating on the same thing and would be a big spamfest that doesn't accomplish anything and we don't need that.

I'll repeat:

would it be good if there was a quicklynch? No. Because:

a. if he was town, it would be a wasted day;
b. if he was scum, we wouldn't have any clues that pointed to his scumbuddies.

May I suggest a closer look, Kmd?

Ok, reminding myself that this is about you being "relieved" that Nikscum was still alive.

a. Not true. Look at who quicklynched and separate townvotes from scumvotes.
b. Not true. Look at whose votes were obvnonbussing and who defended/avoided Nik.

Yeah, I need to take a closer look at the end of Day votes. I'll get around to it.

[Kmd4390]

Dear Kmd,

you did realize that even then I didn't take my vote off Nik, didn't you?

Ok, so why were you so pissed that CSL appeared to have hammered if you left your vote there?

And that's true, but it's much harder to do. Besides, links are easier to see if there was more conversation.

Links? To what?

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Yos, fair enough. I can see that. The thing that bothered me though was the the way it sounded. Seemed fake. Genuine anger is one thing, fake reactions are another.

[Kmd4390]

Oh, lmao!!! I was thinking like URL links.

I see more links in vote counts than player posts most of the time.

[Kmd4390]

Drip, I support that.

Unvote, Vote Pulindar

[Kmd4390]

Oh shit. I confused Pulindar for Panama. Sorry.

Unvote, Vote Serial/Hoopla

[Kmd4390]

Where did he claim vanilla?

[Kmd4390]

Never mind, I see it...

[Kmd4390]

L-1, L-1, Hammer away!

But I'm already voting them.

[Kmd4390]

L-1, L-1, Hammer away!

But I'm already voting them.

Please be a double voter. No? Darn.

Rolecop?

Vote Serial/Hoopla

No sense hiding it anymore.

[Kmd4390]

Can I have hammer? <3

unvote

for now
I want to hammer this scum

Wow, nice cross post.

Hammer this scum.

[Kmd4390]

Unvote
Unvote

Yeah, I wanna hammer.

[Kmd4390]

Psychic DGB wins

What gave it away? Were my crumbs too obvious?

[Kmd4390]

Sweet!

Vote Serial/Hoopla
Vote Serial/Hoopla

[Kmd4390]

Psychic DGB wins

What gave it away? Were my crumbs too obvious?

There was more than 1?

There were a few.

I'm gonna stop spamming though and wait for the mod.

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote Dramonic

[Kmd4390]

Are people suggesting that Dramonic is a scum gunsmith? That seems more like what people are saying than that he's fakeclaiming.

Also, maybe Serial/Hoopla was a vig.

[Kmd4390]

Are people suggesting that Dramonic is a scum gunsmith? That seems more like what people are saying than that he's fakeclaiming.

Also, maybe Serial/Hoopla was a vig.

They were vanilla. It's in the modkill scene.

Ok, missed that.

[Kmd4390]

Are people suggesting that Dramonic is a scum gunsmith?

I am exploring the possibility.
His targets seem suspect and his play scummy.. . .
But I

am

thinking about saving it till tomorrow.

Your opinion?

Doesn't seem likely to me, but who am I to outguess Haylen?

Personally, the scenario that seems most likely to me is that scum tried to kill Dramonic, but he was doc protected. I wouldn't have targeted the players who he did, but from his point of view, I can see it making sense.

Of course not, only that's it's a convenient claim for scum to make.

Remember that I had claimed "NOT VIG" so if Dramonic were scum, he knew he wouldn't be making a mistake if he said I don't have a gun.

That's pretty damning I think.

Actually, this makes sense..

[Kmd4390]

He didn't seem to think Drip was obvtown Day 1 and he suspected Parama. I don't normally investigate my top suspects. I tend to investigate players who I suspect but won't be able to get lynched without any kind of role related info. It seems like that's what Dramonic was going for here. That being said, I completely forgot Drip claimed non-vig.

[Kmd4390]

Vote Nacho

[Kmd4390]

Dramonic lynch is a bad idea.

Nacho, Anon, Ythan, or Mae is the way to go.

[Kmd4390]

Anon, same reasons I've said all game. Except Nacho. Nacho is a lurker and needs to die.

Spy, I have a town read on, but I always do.

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Mae anything specific you want me to see?

[Kmd4390]

Nacho, what exactly is your case on me? I don't feel I've lurked nearly as bad as I did on Day 1. I've kept up and been able to make my opinions pretty known. Day 1 was a fluke basically. Your suspicion on me looks more like OMGUS than anything. Oh, and the "cum" typo is pretty amusing.

[Kmd4390]

I'll make a full case on Anon later in the game if necessary.

And I don't exactly see how my play can be considered lurking.

[Kmd4390]

Why can't you explain your suspicions of Anon now?

Too lazy to strongly back a case on a lower suspect.

All the opinions you've had on people thus far have been unjustified/lazy. When you post, you rarely say anything worth reading.

My gut justifies everything.

[Kmd4390]

Kmd, I want your case against me now. Calling me scummy with no really basis is very antitown if not scummy. It seems that its mostly a gut thing from day 1 which its pretty nonlogical.

Actually, it's perfectly logical.

[Kmd4390]

Drip, where was the wagon analysis? I was hoping to do one of my own, but not if it's already been done.

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Parama isn't scum unless Dramonic is. Those calling out Parama, unless we get a scum flip from Dramonic, lay off.

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Oh, cool. Scumclaim. 1253 is one of the funniest claims I have ever seen. It doesn't top my mimeclaim in Paris Mafia though.

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Drip, why is Pulindar scum?

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Hmm. I had a town read on Yos, but 1263 sounds so forced.

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Ythan mentioning that Nacho wasn't playing to his win condition, waiting to vote, and mentioning jesters reinforces my earlier suspicions on him.

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Anon looks townier now.

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Ok, I see we're in twilight. Good night everyone.

[Kmd4390]

Hmm. I need to do a VCA. Not now though. Visiting my girlfriend. Oh, and Town Godfather?!?

Ythan's death is something to celebrate, so I'll be doing that.

[Kmd4390]

Ok.

Spy, town.

Dramonic, town.

Weaboo, town.

Yos, scum.

Mae, scum.

I will elaborate on two of these. First come, first serve. Anyone can ask by the way.

[Kmd4390]

So, just because I don't really like the spy or dramonic wagons and instead am trying to find scum elsewhere, I'm scum, even though you agree with me about both wagons? What?

Is this directed at me?

I find you scummy for yesterday after Nacho claimed.

Also, I'd hardly call the votes on Spy and Dramonic "wagons" right now. If you are thinking of it that way, I may have to rethink this because it reminds me of your play Day 1 in Quickness when Zach and Neto were both pretty close to a lynch and you went for netlava instead. Only there was more of a sense of urgency there [/Not bitter about Zach/Neto both being scum and your Netlava lynch being on town]

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Vote Maemuki

[Kmd4390]

What's up

[Kmd4390]

Got anything to say that relates to the game?

[Kmd4390]

Got anything to say that relates to the game?

Yes. I can understand

your

reasoning. You've been attacking me all game. Weaboo...he mentioned me three times. One of them was neutral, the second was scummy, and this one's a vote.

Looks like a natural progression to me.

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DGB, can you explain what the "ranking" at the bottom of 1340 means?

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She was steadfast with her opinions and votes
She kept her reasons for her votes clear
Kept her suspicions readable, and gave reasons.
supported theories that tend to help town.
She brought up original points on people.
She pointed out when there was a lack of suspicion on suspicious actions.
She pointed out some lurkers, but continued to go after those she felt were scummy rather than tried to distract town.
Basically, in my mind she's playing a near perfect town game.

-Not sure what you mean by "steadfast".
-How is clarity a towntell? I don't feel that this changes in my own game based on alignment.
-Show an example of "supporting theories to help town". If you did this already, restate it please because I missed it.
-What original points did she bring up and why can't scum do the same?
-I'll give you that one.
-Going after lurkers was a distraction?!? How'd we bag Nacho-scum?
-I disagree.

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Yos, fair enough. I've had a town read on you all game except for that one point.

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Flavor arguements are bad. I doubt Haylen took the time to make sure she put "shot" instead of "killed" because there is a gunsmith in the game. I assume Dramonic would get a guilty on any scum, vig, or SK.

That being said, I don't like the Ythan target. I still lean town on Dramonic, but targeting Ythan seems convenient...him being dead and all. It's not implausible though.

[Kmd4390]

I'm dumb and can't find it. Can you quote or re-explain it please?

And yes, really. I don't like flavor arguments.

[Kmd4390]

Pulindar, how badly do you want a response? I feel it may be a useless distraction to continue debating on your defense of Mae, but if you want me to respond, I will.

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DGB, what Pulindar said. I don't get what the numbers mean, specifically.

[Kmd4390]

Highest numbers are scummiest.

Oh.

....

Wanna lynch Mae?

[Kmd4390]

DGB, you and Elli agree that Starbuck is likely town, but you ranked Starbuck at 98. Can you explain why she is town with such a high ranking?

[Kmd4390]

Scum don't random vote each other?

The lurker points make sense though.

[Kmd4390]

Spy, Anon became obvtown after Nacho claimed.

[Kmd4390]

Read his posts around that time.

[Kmd4390]

Spy, that looks exactly like what Anon just said.

When Nacho claimed, Anon started looking at it in a way that reads town to me.

[Kmd4390]

Not sure why DGB is so positive that Nik was bussed.

[Kmd4390]

Vote Yosarian2

[Kmd4390]

Vote Yosarian2

...

Are you even reading the game here?

So god damned frustrating when I catch a scum, waste a stupid amount of time explaining why I think he's scum, he dosn't even feel the need respond, and no one apparently even seems to read my posts.

I'm reading your posts. That's why I think you're scum.

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Also, why lynch a claimed tracker? It's a hard role to fake. Only chance he's scum is if he's a scum tracker. His targets make sense except Drip N1. Spy, why Drip?

[Kmd4390]

My bad, missed that.

[Kmd4390]

Yos and Reck aren't cleared. It just means they didn't kill those nights.

[Kmd4390]

Anon, I disagree about Starbuck being behind being a towntell. I think it's null and she's actually having trouble keeping up.

[Kmd4390]

I agree with Yos's number 4. If a town power role is a possible lynch, it seems obvious that scum are going to want to push that.

By the way, Yos is still the best lynch today.

[Kmd4390]

Yos, it was mostly the way you reacted to Nacho's claim and your post today where you voted Anon.

[Kmd4390]

Drip already showed why Starbuck isn't scum (Nik-wagon). Otherwise, I'd be all for lynching Starbuck today.

[Kmd4390]

I think Yos and Pulindar are scum. Anon is still obvtown. Reck is probably town. Obviously, as has been said, we need Spy's results before we do anything.

And Supersaint normally kills the hammerer. Vengeful means the lynched player chooses who they kill (sometimes has to be on their wagon).

[Kmd4390]

^Very defeatist sounding for someone with no votes yet.

[Kmd4390]

Spy and Anon are both obvtown at this point. If Spy is somehow scum, he's a tracker too. Like Yos said and I said earlier, scum wouldn't be able to make that claim. If Spy is a scum tracker, it says nothing about his claimed targets. He could easily be lying somewhere (for example, maybe he tracked an obvtown player to find a power role and didn't want to claim that).

Yos is the most likely scum IMO. Pulindar is a close second. I guess after that, Reck is the only possibile choice with Parama being confirmed.

Vote Yosarian2

. Almost obvscum at this point.

[Kmd4390]

Almost seems too convenient. Spy has a "guilty" in LYLO.

Problem is he's right about who I visited.

May as well claim. I'm a doc:
N1:camn
N2:Drip
N3:Drip again
N4:Drip
N5:Spy
N6:Parama

Reasons:
camn-Hadn't read the game entirely, but camn looked town and before the game started, she talked about being killed N1 pretty often and we agreed that we wanted to play more than a Day together, so I protected her.

Drip-She was so obvtown it wasn't even funny. When Dramonic claimed his innocent results on her, it made her an even better protect target. Why not Dramonic? He was a lynch target, so him dying overnight wouldn't have been the end of the world.

Spy-Claimed tracker, duh.

Parama- Dramonic's other innocent died the night before. Seemed like the most likely target to me.

So Parama dying tells me I was obviously roleblocked.

Right now, I'd say Pulindar for the last scum, but we need to massclaim first.

[Kmd4390]

Just need Reck and Anon then unless I missed claims from them somewhere.

[Kmd4390]

Anon, no, I very rarely crumb at all. I suck at it.

And I wasn't assuming Spy was town because of his claim. I assumed he was town because that was my read on him all game. Looking over his claim, his targets made sense for town. A claimed tracker who looked town seemed like the most obvious protect target there was.

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Spy, not sure. All I know is you claim I visited Parama and that's who I targeted.

And why, as scum, would I claim doc of all things in this situation? That makes no sense from a scum perspective. The only reason to claim doc is that I'm, well, a doc.

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I still say Pulindar is the best lynch. If he's not scum, Reck is. I've had a town read on Weaboo all game. And you all know my stance on Anon and Spy.

[Kmd4390]

Shit, I'm not sure why, but I was looking at one scum left in that last post. Pulindar/Reck are probably both scum.

Also, assuming that either me or Spy is lying because of no quickhammer is probably bad. Looking at times of posts, I haven't seen two of Anon/Pul/Reck online near the same time, so they haven't really had a chance to pull together a quickhammer. Reck pushing that is scummy.

I'm pretty much prepared to lynch either Pul or Reck right now.

[Kmd4390]

Actually, it's because SpyreX claimed he tracked you, and you claimed roleblocked.

Meh. I protected Parama. I assumed roleblocked when I saw his death. Knowing Haylen, I guess there's other possibilities.

[Kmd4390]

Welp...

Good game scum...

[Kmd4390]

Just realized..

No vig claims.

We must have an SK.

[Kmd4390]

I know I'm just trying to parse out what the hell is up with the "welp, good game" at two.

Scum can quickhammer unless you and Reck are scum.

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Anyway, this may or may not be LYLO. SK might mean only 1 mafia member left. And if the SK is NK-Immune, and scum shoots them, we may see SK/Mafia/Town in 3 player LYLO. Or even 2 town with 1 SK if the SK shoots scum.

This might explain the lack of a quickhammer if a lone scum realized this already.

[Kmd4390]

CSL - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night One

Ythan - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 3

^How'd they die?

Even if you think scum killed CSL, who killed Ythan? camn died that night too.

[Kmd4390]

CSL - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night One

Ythan - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 3

^How'd they die?

Even if you think scum killed CSL, who killed Ythan? camn died that night too.

Fixed

[Kmd4390]

Vote Pulindar

[Kmd4390]

Pul, we more than likely have two non-town. Spy is town and Anon is town. That leaves you and Reck.

And SK doesn't always have to kill in every game. Sometimes they do. It's the only explanation there is for camn and Ythan both dying with no vig claim.

[Kmd4390]

I didn't realize there was no vig til the day had already started (sorry Spy). So drawing out the "vig" was pointless. I figured me getting lynch would basically confirm you (Spy) as town, so I tried to put up an almost believable fight with the intention of eventually being lynched. Too bad this town was good enough to lynch Spy anyway (which I just nom'd the town for a scummy based on)

[Kmd4390]

Oh, and the double vote "claim" was a Gambit to make someone (Clergyhoops???) think they were lynched. I laughed my ass off when it got mentioned later in the game becuase I thought everyone realized it was fake after the fact.