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Post Post #1350 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:50 pm

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SpyreX wrote:But if he was scum and thus lying why still do that report?
Because he can't get caught being wrong about the dead guy... the dead guy role/alignment is revealed... he can't say that a particular player doesn't have a gun, then this player turns up to be a still-inactive vig or something.

That's not completely obvious?
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Post Post #1351 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:52 pm

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Its not buying him ANY cred. In this atmosphere he's a pretty solid target. Why not go for broke and either fake a catch or WIFOM it up and fake a clear?
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Post Post #1352 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:00 pm

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Only a positive result would give him cred.

But then again.

He's not being roleblocked. Would Haylen tell the scum how their kills are going to show up in the obituaries?
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Post Post #1353 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:01 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote: I find you scummy for yesterday after Nacho claimed.
Yeah, that was a bad argument then, and it's a bad argument now.

Nacho was my main suspect for most of the day yesterday, primarally because he had not done any real scumhunting. I was planning to vote him that evening, since the deadline was going to hit the next day. I thought it was pretty funny when I got on intending to vote him and saw that he had already claimed scum and tried to say "Don't lynch me because I'm just the goon", lol.

I have no idea how you think my post "sounded so forced"; all I can say is that you're wrong, and it's fairly obvious you're wrong if you were paying attention to what I said earlier in the day.
Also, I'd hardly call the votes on Spy and Dramonic "wagons" right now. If you are thinking of it that way, I may have to rethink this because it reminds me of your play Day 1 in Quickness when Zach and Neto were both pretty close to a lynch and you went for netlava instead. Only there was more of a sense of urgency there [/Not bitter about Zach/Neto both being scum and your Netlava lynch being on town]
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Anyway, yeah, I was thinking of them as wagons; not so much because of the number of votes on them, but because I think they're likely to be lynched.

I do have to say I agree with dripping goofball here that dramonic's claim seems less likely today then it did yesterday.
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Post Post #1354 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:02 pm

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I'm just saying a result on a deadis the LEAST cred of all scenarios.

You raise a good point though - the flavor is just killed, not shot?
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Post Post #1355 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:06 pm

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SpyreX wrote:I'm just saying a result on a deadis the LEAST cred of all scenarios.

You raise a good point though - the flavor is just killed, not shot?
The flavor scenes have had a hanging (CSL), a choking (camn) and a knifing(Ythan).

Presumably, 3 different killers.
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Post Post #1356 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:06 pm

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SpyreX wrote:I'm just saying a result on a deadis the LEAST cred of all scenarios.

You raise a good point though - the flavor is just killed, not shot?
The flavor scenes have had a hanging (CSL), a choking (camn) and a knifing(Ythan).

Presumably, 3 different killers.
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Post Post #1357 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:07 pm

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Drippereth wrote:Only a positive result would give him cred.

But then again.

He's not being roleblocked. Would Haylen tell the scum how their kills are going to show up in the obituaries?
I doubt it, but this is a magic world rather than a world with guns so...

SpyreX wrote:I just dont understand a good solid defense and a pretty weak offense.
Take a look at my finished games, where I'm town I give solid Defense, where I'm scum I give solid Offense. I can give both, but I feel more assured of Defense when I don't know.

Even my Mason game, my main attack was that I was defending the people I thought were town. ( I failed at it though)

My first science game (where I was scum) I gave a pretty solid offense that led to a scum win.

My first newbie game I was lead suspect, gave solid defense and survived to endgame (then lost due to stupidity. I voted after deadline, but had realized who was scum ... :( complete fail on my own uncertainty at the time) (with Nacho, we were both town)

Jeckyl and Hyde game (with Nacho) I gave a solid defense as well. We were both town, and as soon as he saw my defense instead of my attack he claimed I was town.(lost due to move and couldn't give good argument had figured out who was town by the end)

hmm that's a bad track record, all of my games Scum has won so far....

Thanks for pointing this out Spyrex, until you did I had not realized that this was my tendency. I'll need to straighten this out, I'd prefer for people not to have a meta on me.
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Post Post #1358 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:08 pm

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I meant the flip flavor, but you raise an even more valid point there.

The flips simply say killed.
The flavor says pretty much anything but shot.

Hmmm
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Post Post #1359 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:17 pm

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SpyreX wrote:Hmmm
You can do better than Hmmm :wink:
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Post Post #1360 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:24 pm

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It doesn't add up right and I can't figure out which way I'm wrong about it (my read versus madness)

Sheesh have a little patience
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Post Post #1361 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:27 pm

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Maemuki wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:Got anything to say that relates to the game?
Yes. I can understand
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reasoning. You've been attacking me all game. Weaboo...he mentioned me three times. One of them was neutral, the second was scummy, and this one's a vote.
Looks like a natural progression to me.

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DGB, can you explain what the "ranking" at the bottom of 1340 means?

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Pulindar wrote:She was steadfast with her opinions and votes
She kept her reasons for her votes clear
Kept her suspicions readable, and gave reasons.
supported theories that tend to help town.
She brought up original points on people.
She pointed out when there was a lack of suspicion on suspicious actions.
She pointed out some lurkers, but continued to go after those she felt were scummy rather than tried to distract town.
Basically, in my mind she's playing a near perfect town game.
-Not sure what you mean by "steadfast".
-How is clarity a towntell? I don't feel that this changes in my own game based on alignment.
-Show an example of "supporting theories to help town". If you did this already, restate it please because I missed it.
-What original points did she bring up and why can't scum do the same?
-I'll give you that one.
-Going after lurkers was a distraction?!? How'd we bag Nacho-scum?
-I disagree.

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Yos, fair enough. I've had a town read on you all game except for that one point.

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Flavor arguements are bad. I doubt Haylen took the time to make sure she put "shot" instead of "killed" because there is a gunsmith in the game. I assume Dramonic would get a guilty on any scum, vig, or SK.

That being said, I don't like the Ythan target. I still lean town on Dramonic, but targeting Ythan seems convenient...him being dead and all. It's not implausible though.
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Post Post #1362 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:34 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:DGB, can you explain what the "ranking" at the bottom of 1340 means?
;-) All based on what I have clearly written out above the numbers themselves.
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Post Post #1363 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:35 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Flavor arguements are bad. I doubt Haylen took the time to make sure she put "shot" instead of "killed" because there is a gunsmith in the game. I assume Dramonic would get a guilty on any scum, vig, or SK.
Really.
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Post Post #1364 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:37 pm

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I'm dumb and can't find it. Can you quote or re-explain it please?

And yes, really. I don't like flavor arguments.
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Post Post #1365 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:14 pm

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KMD wrote:
Pulindar wrote:She was steadfast with her opinions and votes
She kept her reasons for her votes clear
Kept her suspicions readable, and gave reasons.
supported theories that tend to help town.
She brought up original points on people.
She pointed out when there was a lack of suspicion on suspicious actions.
She pointed out some lurkers, but continued to go after those she felt were scummy rather than tried to distract town.
Basically, in my mind she's playing a near perfect town game.
-Not sure what you mean by "steadfast".
-How is clarity a towntell? I don't feel that this changes in my own game based on alignment.
-Show an example of "supporting theories to help town". If you did this already, restate it please because I missed it.
-What original points did she bring up and why can't scum do the same?
-I'll give you that one.
-Going after lurkers was a distraction?!? How'd we bag Nacho-scum?
-I disagree.
I mean that she kept with her votes throughout entire days, and that she kept suspicion on the same people.

Good point, it doesn't. What I meant more is that I agreed with her reasoning, which is why it seemed clear to me. There are many times where I disagree with people's reasons, or feel that they are misrepresentations. In those cases I suspect the people of being scum. Does that clear up my point?

Sorry, again I was unclear, I almost talked about how she kept her vote on Nika the whole of day one and kept pressing him. But by theories I meant more things like a complete first day and such. Her reaction to the Nika fake lynch was the most telling for me. She wanted the day to last longer because she wanted to find out more about what others thought before lynching Nika. Her "Relief" wasn't because Nika was still alive, but because she wanted more evidence before we ended the day. Without it we would have wasted the time we could have used, and have used, from day 1. She kept her vote on Nika even after she was glad that Nika was not lynched.

Scum can do the same, you're right.

the main reason you bagged Nacho were his actions after some pressure was applied, true. But Mae made some valid points. She pointed out who was lurking as the game went along. When pressure was applied on Nacho she asked why that specific lurker. There may have been a few reasons, but frankly the one lurking the most was McZombie. What I meant though was that while she pointed out who was lurking she still chased after who she was most confident was scum. Sure there were scum among the lurkers, but she kept true to the evidence and just mentioned the lurkers to keep track. by keeping track of the lurkers when she no longer had people she outrightly suspected she had people who were already lurking and would not be bad to pressure.

:) I realize that KMD. I also realize I don't have the best track record, but that's still how I feel. Though I do like what you've had to say so far and would love to hear more. The more ways we look at something the more full, and objective, our opinion can be

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on a different note, I don't really get the numbers either. I think it might be how well she thinks each person is playing, or who she thinks is most scummy. If it's who she thinks is most scummy though... she's voting Dram and Dram is in the middle.
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Post Post #1366 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:15 pm

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The flavor analysis made me headdesk.
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Post Post #1367 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:39 pm

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Parama wrote:The flavor analysis made me headdesk.
It's not exactly a "flavor argument". Mod listed kill methods are often mechanically a part of the game, and intended to be useful information. That's especially common in a game with a gunsmith.

KMD is right, it's possible Haylen is just defining gunsmith as "a role that can tell if player X is mafia, vig, or cop", but it's a reasonable argument. I can see a dramonic lynch today; mostly for mechanics reasons, like how he has yet to really produce any useful information with his claimed role. I could also see giving him one more chance to get something conformable with his role. Either option seems reasonable here.
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Post Post #1368 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:46 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:I'm dumb and can't find it. Can you quote or re-explain it please?
Post 1340...
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Post Post #1369 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:29 pm

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I'll try to do a votecount tomorrow. I'm really not feeling very well right now.
Seriously. Read your role PM before playing.
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Post Post #1370 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:41 pm

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Drip wrote:RANKING
98 Starbuck (Rep. McZombie)
98 Maemuki
93 SpyreX
83 Anon
80 Parama
73 Dramonic
73 Weaboo (hydra of Kise and xReckonerx)
55 Yosarian2
53 Pulindar (Rep. Miserable At Best)
40 KMD(numbers)
I think he realizes the post, and sees what you said, but I don't think he understands the conclusions that you have drawn. He's asking what does the ranking stand for?
Is it who is scummiest? does that mean the highest numbers are your first picks for scum, or are your lowest numbers your first pick for scum? that type of thing.
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Dramonic: Drippereth
Weaboo: Yosarian2
Maemuki: Weaboo

Not Voting: Parama, Starbuck, Maemuki, SpyreX, Kmd, Dramonic, Pulindar

With 11 alive it take 6 to lynch. Deadline is 9pm on Wednesday the 10th March.
KMD then voted Maemuki so.

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Dramonic: Drippereth
Weaboo: Yosarian2
Maemuki: Weaboo, KMD ~

Not Voting: Parama, Starbuck, Maemuki, SpyreX, Dramonic, Pulindar

That should be our current vote count, if that helps Haylen.

Which puts Mae at L-4.
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Post Post #1371 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:48 pm

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Pulindar, how badly do you want a response? I feel it may be a useless distraction to continue debating on your defense of Mae, but if you want me to respond, I will.

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DGB, what Pulindar said. I don't get what the numbers mean, specifically.
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Post Post #1372 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:58 pm

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Highest numbers are scummiest.
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Post Post #1373 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:01 pm

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Drippereth wrote:Highest numbers are scummiest.
Oh.

....

Wanna lynch Mae?
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Post Post #1374 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:10 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Pulindar, how badly do you want a response? I feel it may be a useless distraction to continue debating on your defense of Mae, but if you want me to respond, I will.

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DGB, what Pulindar said. I don't get what the numbers mean, specifically.
I don't care. I was asked my thoughts so put them out there. no need to respond, I understand your standpoint, and I think you understand mine.

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