Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

[Drippereth]

What changed? Your descent into perplexing absurdity. Then, my mind.

Also, whoever it was that was asking me to claim. You're kidding yourself.

Another live one!!!

DIE SCUM DIE

L-1, L-1, Hammer away!

[Kmd4390]

L-1, L-1, Hammer away!

But I'm already voting them.

[Drippereth]

L-1, L-1, Hammer away!

But I'm already voting them.

Please be a double voter. No? Darn.

[Parama]

Can I have hammer? <3

unvote

for now
I want to hammer this scum

[Kmd4390]

L-1, L-1, Hammer away!

But I'm already voting them.

Please be a double voter. No? Darn.

Rolecop?

Vote Serial/Hoopla

No sense hiding it anymore.

[Kmd4390]

Can I have hammer? <3

unvote

for now
I want to hammer this scum

Wow, nice cross post.

Hammer this scum.

[Drippereth]

Can I have hammer? <3

unvote

for now
I want to hammer this scum

You hammered a scum yesterday, you have to share with the other kids!

[Drippereth]

L-1, L-1, Hammer away!

But I'm already voting them.

Please be a double voter. No? Darn.

Rolecop?

Vote Serial/Hoopla

No sense hiding it anymore.

Psychic DGB wins

[Kmd4390]

Unvote
Unvote

Yeah, I wanna hammer.

[Drippereth]

Can I have hammer? <3

unvote

for now
I want to hammer this scum

Put that vote back on and give Kmd the honor...

[Kmd4390]

Psychic DGB wins

What gave it away? Were my crumbs too obvious?

[Parama]

FINE

vote: clergyhoop

[Kmd4390]

Sweet!

Vote Serial/Hoopla
Vote Serial/Hoopla

[Parama]

I wanted =======[]

[Drippereth]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Ooooooooooooooo!

[Drippereth]

Psychic DGB wins

What gave it away? Were my crumbs too obvious?

There was more than 1?

[Drippereth]

Psychic DGB wins

What gave it away? Were my crumbs too obvious?

My prayers get answered

[Kmd4390]

Psychic DGB wins

What gave it away? Were my crumbs too obvious?

There was more than 1?

There were a few.

I'm gonna stop spamming though and wait for the mod.

[Ythan]

I'm gonna stop spamming though

Weakling.

[Drippereth]

Oh btw, the vig should totally shoot Spyrex tonight. Or maybe check out Pulin?...actually, Nah nevermind, Spyrex would work great. Someone else can go after Pulin or something, later.
SO VIG SPYREX.

[A clergyman with a hoop]

Is anyone up for an omlete?

BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF EGG ON PEOPLE'S FACES OVER HERE!

Anyways, leave Spyrex alone, vigman. And Drippereth, although hopefully Elli can muzzle the drooling attack dog for some genuine discussion tomorrow.

Stick with the Yos2/Para stuff, it's worth exploring that.

Apart from that, it's SC and Hoop-de-loop out.

[A clergyman with a hoop]

Is anyone up for an omlete?

BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF EGG ON PEOPLE'S FACES OVER HERE!

Anyways, leave Spyrex alone, vigman. And Drippereth, although hopefully Elli can muzzle the drooling attack dog for some genuine discussion tomorrow.

Stick with the Yos2/Para stuff, it's worth exploring that.

Apart from that, it's SC and Hoop-de-loop out.

[dramonic]

you know, you should stop listening to Dripberreth fellas <<

she may be town, doesnt change she's not a good source for reads...

[A clergyman with a hoop]

I'm going to look at the initial Day 1 wagon on Nikanor for a bit now, because there are a couple of people I think that can be cleared based on their playstyles and a bit of logic. Here is the vote count when I jumped off the wagon on page 4;

Nikanor

- camn, Anon, Drippereth, Maemuki Ythan Yos2

CSL

~

Initially I assumed this wagon was scum-motivated because of how quickly it ran, but I've been forced to change my views due to Nikanor's flip. While I've seen scum collectively bus from nowhere, I think the only players here

capable

of this are Drippereth, camn and Yos2. Despite this, it just seems like a farfetched way to start a game, and I doubt of the three players I listed more than one is scum.

Drippereth

was the one who declared the premature fakehammer. I don't know if she would have been so eager to do this to a scumbuddy, and I feel like she's had pro-town motivations most of the game (despite being wrong about me).

camn

's position on the wagon seems a little shakier, but there is nothing substancial to incriminate her with. I don't know her well enough to make accurate predictions on whether she'd bus so hard at the start of a game. The one post that made feel uneasy about her was this;

Wow. That is not the kind of brinksmanship I am used to! But I guess that goes to show what happens when you try and RVS-bandwagon ME.

It feels quite fake, as if she wasn't expecting the wagon to be pushed through, and maybe caught herself out with a early distancing vote that couldn't be easily removed once the wagon got going.

Yosarian

came onto the initial wagon at L-3, which I'm finding hard to gauge. But if anyone on this wagon is bussing, I think it is probably Yos, due to this being a safe enough time to drop a vote. He's a smart player and must have known a page 1 post from Nikanor would not be enough to push a wagon through. I could see this as a potential distancing vote, especially when he finds ways off the wagon once the fake-hammer issue passes. Here is a quote that really bothers me;

Yos, can you tell me what you think about the bandwagon that run Nikanor up to fake-lynch? Is it scum/town motivated?

Eh, I think that the Nik bandwagon is based on reasonable tells and good reasoning, for the most part, along with a dash of the hyper-aggressive play that town needs to do in a speed game like this. Plus, as I've said, I haven't seen any real scumhunting from Nik yet, and that alone makes him a reasonable lynch.

I honestly don't see Yosarian deluding himself like this, and I don't see him making this statement about 'lack of scumhunting' as if it's some kind of massive point, when so many others were guilty of this at the time. It feels as if he came up with the second reason to bulk up a flimsy first reason. The most significant point in all of this, is his influence on the initial wagon (based on nothing, but claiming it a good case), then staying off the Nikanor wagon for the rest of the day.

I don't think this would normally be so scummy if it weren't for me being able to see more townspeople on the

initial

Nikanor wagon.

Maemuki

is looking very town because of this early bandwagon. She really doesn't strike me as the sort to bus from the outset so hard - it makes me think she just got luck catching her vote on scum. My D1 case was heavily critical of her leaving her vote on Nikanor (after the fakehammer fiasco), but this now looks exceedingly town, because of the amount of other places her vote could go if she really wanted. Of the people on the

final

lynch (see followed), her position is probably the most town along with McZombie (but I'll explain that soon).

Nikanor

- camn, Anon, Drippereth, Maemuki, McZombie,

CSL

, Ythan, Spyrex, Parama ~

~~

From the time I unvoted on page 4, there were a few very telling posts between then and the fake-hammer. Here is the sequence of events;

Nikanor

- camn, Anon, Drippereth, Maemuki Ythan Yos2

CSL

~

The votes show a healthy wagon forming on Nikanor despite a lack of evidence. When Nachomamma checks in, I feel like he takes the appropriate and most expected scum stance;

Vote: camn

Competing bandwagons = instant win.

Mae, if you're serious about the CSL-bussing, can you give us an example?

Rather than pushing the Nikanor wagon, he chooses to post on the second highest one. This is probably the safest scum option. It isn't an obvious attempt to prematurely derail a scum-wagon (when there is a chance it will wilt by itself), but still pushes someone else into the limelight to encourage that wilt (camn was the second highest vote getter at the time). I'm not hugely certain of my interpretation, but it certainly stood out between then and the fake-hammer.

CSL then makes an excuse to jump off the wagon;

Saying I'm a better lynch because it's a policy is scummy. Haven't I said that before?

Anyways, I still thought this was RVS. Guess it's not.

unvote

Then, so does Ythan, which feels justifiable;

unvote vote Parama

Nik isn't doing anything, will keep a stern eye on him when he does.

Especially when he was on the final Nikanor wagon too. It just doesn't seem like something a scum-Ythan would consider doing. There were plenty of mislynch candidates available for pursuing after the fake-hammer.

McZombie

then jumps on the Nikanor bandwagon;

Vote: Nikanor

For obvious reasons.

This feels VERY town. I don't see a new player like her jumping on a buddy's wagon like that. I hate to discount a player based on such specious reasoning, but I just can't see it being a bussing vote.

Then CSL jumps back on the wagon which is when DGB declares a fake-hammer;

Actually, screw it. You all can lynch me tomorrow if you want.

Vote: Nikanor

Unless of course, he's scum, in which you all should thank me.

~~

Again here is the final vote-count of the day. But I'm going to green out players I think are town, and probably didn't bus Nikanor;

Nikanor

- camn, Anon,

Drippereth, Maemuki, McZombie, CSL

,

Ythan

, Spyrex,

Parama

~

I wanted to green

camn

and

Anon

, but I get a gut feeling one them might be bussing very hard. I think it's a very slim chance and not worth considering by itself. The rest of their play feels town - Anon's 775 is goodposting, and makes him probably not scum. Camn is appearing town as usual too, but I've yet to see any of her scum games and am paranoid to rule her out. I think it's likeliest there is only 0-1 scum being on the final lynch-count.

Parama

's hammer is very pro-town (even if I didn't think so at the time). I was in a heated argument at the time with several players and could have quite easily come into contention at that time-frame. I still think the hammer was stupid, but I can't see him doing it as scum.

In conclusion (and in conjunction with SC's reads), Yosarian is my (our) top suspect, and I really think we should be lynching someone off the Nikanor wagon if I can't get Yosarian genuinely considered.

[Drippereth]

you know, you should stop listening to Dripberreth fellas <<

she may be town, doesnt change she's not a good source for reads...

OMG

If Clergyhoop flips town... which would be weird but still...

Dramonic KNOWS something!!!!

VIG DRAMONIC