Mini 909: Nice'n'Fun Mafia (Game Over)

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VOTE: The Tracker

For also liking Pokemon

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Protip: Pressure voting doesn't work if you call it pressure voting.

QFT

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I agree. That's why I'm keeping my random vote for now

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So you're saying I should begin suspecting people just because someone else said they are suspicious? When I find someone suspicious I'll say so. I'm not gonna just listen to others because they might be scum trying to convince me to follow them

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Good point but I'm not gonna go attack someone cuz then someone will attack me for attacking someone

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I'll do something. There's just nothing to do right now. I can't join the quagmire wagon because I'll be a hypocrite and I technically started the tracker one

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Sorry, I didn't mean it like that. I know its a part of the game but it gets frustrating once in awhile.

And the reasoning for the Quagmire wagon also applies to me

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Sorry, I didn't mean it like that. I know its a part of the game but it gets frustrating once in awhile.

And the reasoning for the Quagmire wagon also applies to me

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According to the Wiki a player that is a Miller is not told they are a Miller to prevent a D1 claim.

Unvote

VOTE: Hoopla

Going by that logic Hoopla should not know she is a miller if she is one

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I feel better about it after reading that. She doesn't pose a threat

yet

if the miller claim is false.

Unvote

VOTE: The Tracker

Switching back to what it was before I changed

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The mod would've said something if he didn't open his role PM

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Why wouldn't someone read their role PM?

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I was gonna say that it doesn't apply since everyone disagreed with the person that posted it and then I noticed it was Quagmire. Your question is completely valid now

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Flare, you never answered why you felt it necessary to put your vote back where it was when you had assigned it as part of the RVS.

It is a random vote. I just think that having a vote is better then not voting. Check all the games I've been in and you'll see that I've never unvoted without revoting for someone else. I keep my Wiki updated so you can check there

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Have you read your role PM?

No, as per usual in games I play in

*Facepalm

That deserves a policy lynch.

Unvote

Vote: quagmire

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You're right we should discuss this a little.

if Quagmire is scum then he is not aware of his partner and thus is pro-town

If he's town then he would be useful if he posted suspicions and actually participated a bit.

Maybe we should have him role claim? That way he'll hopefully read his role PM

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Now that I think about it it doesn't deserve a policy lynch.

It's weird and a little dumb not to read your role PM. That ruins the whole purpose of the game but like I was saying in my last post if he is town or scum he's not hurting us since he doesn't know his role. He's forcing himself to play pro town

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I over reacted originally. There's really no way not opening his PM could hurt him unless he had a day ability or could talk during the day with another player

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I don't think it benefits him or hurts him. It's neutral and we're wasting our time focusing on him. Where's all the real scum hunting? We have pages of why Quagmire should be executed.

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VOTE: The tracker

Where has he been? It's about time he got in here and said something instead of hiding behind the whole Quagmire thing

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I agree completely with redcoyote. This Quagmire thing is wasting our time. We are not gonna learn anything and D2 is gonna end up being our real D1

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I'm still not good at this discussion thing. Every time I try I fail miserably and everyone calls me an idiot. It doesn't exactly motivate me to try harder.

I just really don't like this Quagmire thing. it's a smokescreen, distracting us from scum hunting. Everyone who is voting for Quagmire hasn't really been scum hunting. They just want Quagmire gone because of his playing style. There may be some truth to what they are saying but scum could easily be using that situation to their advantage.

If Quagmire was scum then maybe his partner is one of the pissed off people. I know I would be if I found out my partner hasn't read his role PM

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I'm having difficulty who to accuse on the Quagmire wagon. Cyberbob is right scum abuse every situation but this is different. Scum lie, in this case I believe they are all telling the truth when they express their dislike in the Quagmire situation. That's why it's hard for me to find scumtells

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Unvote

VOTE: Quagmire

If we have a serial killer then we need the trackers help, Quagmire is the only other person that will have a majority by the time the deadline hits

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The information we get from his role if he's truthful, is that if there is two-kill nights, it's likely a SK. Actually finding a SK from one of his investiagtions is very unlikely - I'm sure he'd be killed if a SK thought it was a chance he'd be targeted.

You bring up a very good point. The SK is gonna kill him now if we let him live but there has to be a doctor in this game.

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I cut myself off there because speculation is bad but you asked.

A doctor could protect tracker so the SK can't get rid of him but now that I said it the SK probably wouldn't kill tracker.

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it's more valuable then a VT role

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Doctor roles are pretty common

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I wasn't certain. There is no reasoning. It was just a bad assumption on my part

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Lol.

I just realized how ironic it would have been for tracker to claim tracker

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A Tracker flip does not bode well for our Miller claim.

why not?

Of course Tracker still isn't really contributing, which is plenty scummy. But the people hopping on his wagon because there was no nk are missing a lot of probabilities; notably, flat-out refusing to consider an FBI agent without an SK. It's an easy place to sit and 'justify' your vote as scum without actually offering any analysis of your own.

vote:Mindgamer

What? Mindgamer was not the first person to do this

How does the CPR doctor flip and lack of second night kill bode for our FBI Agent claim then?

it really doesn't bode well at all, unless a SK is setting Tracker up if there is one. I'm about 80% sure now that this a false claim. The other 20% is because there could be an FBI agent and no SK, but unlikely.

Vote: Tracker

you were scummy yesterday and your claim doesn't hold now.

Angelmouse did the same thing but with a little more content. I'm proof that lack of content does not = scum (meta)

VOTE: Hitogoroshi

If you're going to attack one person for something then you should at least acknowledge the other people that did the same thing

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That makes more sense. I'm gonna keep my vote on you until something better comes up. It's likely scum jumped on at least 1 of the wagons and the Tracker wagon makes more sense to me

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I meant the reasons for people voting tracker make more sense then the reasons for the people voting mindgamer. If I had been online when the day phase started I probably would've voted the tracker too. I've never seen an FBI agent role so I would've thought an SK would be here but I guess not

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If there is a high chance of there being an SK, it's most likely Hoopla (I can see a Tracker finding Mafia and Vig, and an FBI Agent - SK Combo).

why Hoopla?

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Bare with me, Flare, as I try my best to translate this fairly.

You're saying your kneejerk reaction is to vote The Tracker, but that since you saw other people do it, you realized it was the wrong thing to do. Additionally, you don't believe there is an SK, but you do believe The Tracker's claim, because of the benefit you had from reading everyone else's early D2 posts?

Is this correct?

Yes, that's correct. I've never seen an FBI role so naturally I assumed that it would be paired with an SK role. I saw from other peoples post that that is not always the case

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Flare is trying way too hard to be liked. Scum do this, but more importantly, newbies do this. It's hard to get an indication of whether or not he's scum but his unreadability in this regard shoots him up to be a solid lynch candidate.

How am I trying way too hard to be liked?

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Should I just ask for a replacement then? I try my best with the time I have, but it's not appreciated. Apparently I'm not making the game enjoyable for you and you certainly aren't making the game enjoyable for me.
Replacement? Your choice.

Just ignore it. It's only a game you shouldn't have to dedicate so much time to make long posts as long as you're playing and having fun

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[/game]How many of you ACTUALLY think, "Hey, I'm going to appeal to everyone's emotions with my next post."? I doubt anyone actually does that whether they are scum or not. You all should stop following the wiki so much and play the game the way you want to play the game. Leave the poor guy alone, if you don't believe him then you can say that but don't accuse him of trying to appeal to peoples emotions[game]

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That changes things. I said that cuz I've seen a lot of people crack under the pressure and none of them were scum.

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I was talking about mindgamer. He asked if you guys wanted him to replace out and people immediately starting saying "I don't like that AtE" and were very rude when they answered

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Flare, what would be your perfect D2 for this game?

Give me the person you most want lynched, at least one person you wouldn't mind to see lynched, and a person you are willing to stand behind as a safe bet for townie.

I wouldn't mind lynching tracker. He rarely posts, I'm the same way so I guess that reasoning applies to me

A safe bet for townie? There's no way for me to know who is town so I'm not just gonna blindly trust 1 single player.

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when is the deadline? Didn't see it in the last vote count

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Mod I would like to replace out